Deafening silence?? Where is the implementation of the drama that was CAA now?

[The Bald Eagle]

INDIA WILL SAVE MINORITIES FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES

Now where is the Modi government, when the Indian news outlets and social media activists are busy in spreading news of pogram in Bangladesh. Although the credibility of these news are seriously debatable. So will Modi government walk the talk here or because next election is 5 years away now so there is no need of a pretension too.

When will India step up to save the "persecuted" Hindus, the world awaits?

 

[CricketCartoons]

INDIA WILL SAVE MINORITIES FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES

Now where is the Modi government, when the Indian news outlets and social media activists are busy in spreading news of pogram in Bangladesh. Although the credibility of these news are seriously debatable. So will Modi government walk the talk here or because next election is 5 years away now so there is no need of a pretension too.

When will India step up to save the "persecuted" Hindus, the world awaits?

Did you even read the CAA? It was for refugees ALREADY living within India, and it had a cut off year.

 

[Devadwal]

INDIA WILL SAVE MINORITIES FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES

Now where is the Modi government, when the Indian news outlets and social media activists are busy in spreading news of pogram in Bangladesh. Although the credibility of these news are seriously debatable. So will Modi government walk the talk here or because next election is 5 years away now so there is no need of a pretension too.

When will India step up to save the "persecuted" Hindus, the world awaits?

Why the news of oppressed minority is debatable when even Bangladesh media is reporting ??

Hindus and Sikhs constituted 30% of the population of Bangladesh when it was separated from Pakistan (1971); the share now has tragically dropped to 7%

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Did you even read the CAA? It was for refugees ALREADY living within India, and it had a cut off year.

So bad then, won't India move to save the ones in plight now? Guys like CJ already calling for some action due to forthcoming refugee influx

 

[CricketCartoons]

So bad then, won't India move to save the ones in plight now? Guys like CJ already calling for some action due to forthcoming refugee influx

The govt should. There will be protests by indian muslims, but govt should do something for the hindus in bangladesh.

Good to see that you also agree that it is India who has the ownership of bangladeshi hindus, and not Bangladesh. This clarity is something many Indians don't get.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The govt should. There will be protests by indian muslims, but govt should do something for the hindus in bangladesh.

Good to see that you also agree that it is India who has the ownership of bangladeshi hindus, and not Bangladesh. This clarity is something many Indians don't get.

No it's Bangladesh's responsibility but since BJP and Modi government did a lot of chest thumping for it so it is the high time to rise on the occasion now.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

INDIA WILL SAVE MINORITIES FROM NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES

Now where is the Modi government, when the Indian news outlets and social media activists are busy in spreading news of pogram in Bangladesh. Although the credibility of these news are seriously debatable. So will Modi government walk the talk here or because next election is 5 years away now so there is no need of a pretension too.

When will India step up to save the "persecuted" Hindus, the world awaits?

Are we for real here? Is CAA meant to extract people from foreign nations.
Its meant for asylum seekers. India is not interfering in what's going on.
And if they exodus happens , CAA will takes it time over the years (IT IS NOT INSTANT CITIZENSHIP TO ASYUM SEEKERS)

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

CAA is already being implemented and shows how actually concerned certain posters are and what the motivations are with regards to Truth and facts!

 

[CricketCartoons]

No it's Bangladesh's responsibility but since BJP and Modi government did a lot of chest thumping for it so it is the high time to rise on the occasion now.

But the CAA they implemented was meant for refugees ALREADY living in India before 2014.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

But the CAA they implemented was meant for refugees ALREADY living in India before 2014.

OK then why you guys so concerned about Hindus in Bangladesh now if your government can't help them.

Doesn't your government here fill the need of 1971 like intervention @Devadwal @CricketCartoons . Blame your government too for being idle

 

[Devadwal]

OK then why you guys so concerned about Hindus in Bangladesh now if your government can't help them.

Doesn't your government here fill the need of 1971 like intervention @Devadwal @CricketCartoons . Blame your government too for being idle

Bro when indian government/ Army will feel that situation going out of control or threat to indian security then they will think about it.

In 71 india did not attacked first but Pakistan attacked then we finished the fight Just in 13 days.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bro when indian government/ Army will feel that situation going out of control or threat to indian security then they will think about it.

In 71 india did not attacked first but Pakistan attacked then we finished the fight Just in 13 days.

Actually i really want them to intervene militarily for Hindus safety here as wanna see can they fare any good without Soviet like blessing?

 

[CricketCartoons]

OK then why you guys so concerned about Hindus in Bangladesh now if your government can't help them.

Doesn't your government here fill the need of 1971 like intervention @Devadwal @CricketCartoons . Blame your government too for being idle

Why not? Pakistan has been unable to help Palestine, it means you should not be concerned about them?

I don't understand your logic.

 

[Devadwal]

Actually i really want them to intervene militarily for Hindus safety here as wanna see can they fare any good without Soviet like blessing?

Why would we intervene millitary when this is not our real problem .

Has Pakistan attack israel as you think they are killing Muslim?

India never ever attack any country first.

We can support them or they can comes to India thats why CAA is all about if they can implement Fully

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why not? Pakistan has been unable to help Palestine, it means you should not be concerned about them?

I don't understand your logic.

No, you didn't get my point. I mean where is your government now after those tall claims. And where is the 1971 precedent now? Also Pakistan never participated as a regular army in palestine wars before so no precedent from their side but what about your government who has been harping the pro hindu minorities rhethoric.

Also Muslims have a concept of Ummah so there feelings are understandable what curious to know if there is any such sentimental bond between Hindus too.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why would we intervene millitary when this is not our real problem .

OK i hope other Indian friends stick with this now.

 

[Devadwal]

OK i hope other Indian friends stick with this now.

Everyone has different opinions i respect that but india should never intervent any country with military first .this is my view .

One millitary intervention can cost us big time financially and all the Hard work done by us can go in veins.

I hope that day Never comes.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No, you didn't get my point. I mean where is your government now after those tall claims. And where is the 1971 precedent now? Also Pakistan never participated as a regular army in palestine wars before so no precedent from their side but what about your government who has been harping the pro hindu minorities rhethoric.

Also Muslims have a concept of Ummah so there feelings are understandable what curious to know if there is any such sentimental bond between Hindus too.

1971 was genocide of bengalis by west pakistani army. How is this a 1971 precedent?

And why is precedent a necessary condition? Every precedent is set without any precedent. So if you will act only if there is a precedent, then you will not be able to do anything.

Muslims feeling for muslims is understandable, but hindus feeling for hindus is not understandable? Strange. So now feeling for your people is a right denied to hindus.

Your post is all over the place. You are saying too many things, and none of them are making any sense.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Modi isnt what you guys expect him to be.

He sent helicopter to save one elderly Muslim woman and turned his back on Hindu minorities.

He is unpredictable but as proven by his actions above he is pragmatic. As long as political gains are made then he is happy to throw Hindus to the fire.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No, you didn't get my point. I mean where is your government now after those tall claims. And where is the 1971 precedent now? Also Pakistan never participated as a regular army in palestine wars before so no precedent from their side but what about your government who has been harping the pro hindu minorities rhethoric.

Also Muslims have a concept of Ummah so there feelings are understandable what curious to know if there is any such sentimental bond between Hindus too.

When did Modi say that he will protect all Hindus & Sikhs in BD and Pakistan at any cost? India will assess the situation first before taking any action. If the refugees start pouring into India, then India will have to act. It is not up to us to ponder on what India will do.

Hindus identify their cousins across the border due to shared culture and faith. Not hard to understand why the concern exists.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Modi isnt what you guys expect him to be.

He sent helicopter to save one elderly Muslim woman and turned his back on Hindu minorities.

He is unpredictable but as proven by his actions above he is pragmatic. As long as political gains are made then he is happy to throw Hindus to the fire.

So he is not a Muslim hater then.

Thanks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So he is not a Muslim hater then.

Thanks.

Deep down he is for sure.

But he knows when to pick and choose his battles ( see Nupur Sharma case) and when to ramp it up so domestically some goons get satisfied by nasty rhetoric.

It's the sign of a good leader that they can hide their bigotry when needed.

 

[Red-Indian]

Deep down he is for sure.

But he knows when to pick and choose his battles ( see Nupur Sharma case) and when to ramp it up so domestically some goons get satisfied by nasty rhetoric.

It's the sign of a good leader that they can hide their bigotry when needed.

You're one of the few Pakistani/Britpak guys I've seen on this forum who gets Modi. I'm not sure whether or not he personally dislikes/hates Muslims and seeks to be the Hindu leader(probably does given his background) but those personal views enter very little into his calculus for domestic governance, foreign relations and power retention.

He's first and foremost a very practical, power hungry leader with huge ambitions for himself and India.

 

[oatmeal]

You're one of the few Pakistani/Britpak guys I've seen on this forum who gets Modi. I'm not sure whether or not he personally dislikes/hates Muslims and seeks to be the Hindu leader(probably does given his background) but those personal views enter very little into his calculus for domestic governance, foreign relations and power retention.

He's first and foremost a very practical, power hungry leader with huge ambitions for himself and India.

Modi hates muslims but he loves power more, he knows he needs to be disciplined and not be a demagogue all the time.

Immediately after the Gujarat riots he made a lot of incendiary speeches , they werent televised but there are a few videos of them circulating around. The hum paanch hamaare pachees speech was one of them and the kutte ka pilla remark mentioned in an interview

Nowadays he uses indirect terms and phrases that offer some degree of deniability and mostly during election campaigns. The kabristan, infiltrators and mangalsutra speeches. He doesnt really have a choice, the way BJP have constructed their coalition, you cant have a very fractured Hindu vote, even small breaks in the vote will lead to easy wins for the opposition as long as they are united and voting tactically. Like in the recent UP elections.

 

[oatmeal]

Modi hates muslims but he loves power more, he knows he needs to be disciplined and not be a demagogue all the time.

Immediately after the Gujarat riots he made a lot of incendiary speeches , they werent televised but there are a few videos of them circulating around. The hum paanch hamaare pachees speech was one of them and the kutte ka pilla remark mentioned in an interview

Nowadays he uses indirect terms and phrases that offer some degree of deniability and mostly during election campaigns. The kabristan, infiltrators and mangalsutra speeches. He doesnt really have a choice, the way BJP have constructed their coalition, you cant have a very fractured Hindu vote, even small breaks in the vote will lead to easy wins for the opposition as long as they are united and voting tactically. Like in the recent UP elections.

And if he drifts too much to the centre, there is a risk that someone like Yogi will outflank him from right. In fact after the loksabha elections, there was a lot of complaints from yogi camp that Shah had ignored most of the recommendations of Yogi to give tickets

 

[HalBass9]

With a population of 1.2 billion, the world's 5th largest economy, and the 4th largest army, India should face no significant obstacles in protecting the Hindus of Bangladesh or, more broadly, any Hindu community that is perceived to be marginalized or threatened.

Now, I sound like those advocating for Hindutva, who often ask, 'What is the Ummah doing about Palestine?

 

[CricketCartoons]

With a population of 1.2 billion, the world's 5th largest economy, and the 4th largest army, India should face no significant obstacles in protecting the Hindus of Bangladesh or, more broadly, any Hindu community that is perceived to be marginalized or threatened.

Now, I sound like those advocating for Hindutva, who often ask, 'What is the Ummah doing about Palestine?

Exactly. Hindutva is nowhere near average muslims. Muslims raise voice for fellow muslims everywhere, from rallies, to friday sermons, to boycott of products, to getting their viewpoint in mainstream international publications.

Hindutvas will be divided on deciding, should we wait and watch? Should we worry about hindus in India first? Should we curse those hindus as deserving of their fate as they were being secular?

This is why hindus deserve all the hate and violence they get.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bangladesh crisis: As Bengal BJP stirs talk of ‘1 cr refugees’, CAA, cautious TMC govt appeals for calm​

THE RIPPLES of the Bangladesh crisis are spreading to the bordering Indian states, with senior BJP Bengal leader Suvendu Adhikari saying that more than 1 crore Hindus may enter India and that Delhi should be ready to accommodate them under the Citizenship (Amendment) Act. One of the first to raise an alarm over this was senior Tripura leader, and BJP ally, Pradyut Kishore Debbarma, who sought an assurance from the Centre that any such influx would be stopped.

While Debbarma later posted that Union Home Minister Amit Shah had assured him that the borders were well-guarded, to prevent any “illegal” movement, Adhikari who flew down to Delhi to meet Shah Tuesday said Hindus were being mistreated in Bangladesh.

Though the CAA is a potent tool for the BJP in Bengal, which has a high number of Bangladeshi Hindu refugees, who entered the country over different waves, it’s a touchy topic in the Northeast whose history is defined by agitations against “outsiders”.

short article insertTrinamool Congress supremo and Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, who had earlier said that she would welcome people from Bangladesh seeking refuge in the country, is taking a more cautious line after the fall of the Sheikh Hasina government.

With Bangladesh in turmoil, why India should exercise caution

In her first remarks as Bangladesh unravelled, Banerjee appealed to all, including political parties, not to put up posts that could disrupt peace in Bengal and said she would back any stand taken by the Centre on the issue. “If our brothers and sisters who are there face some trouble, the Government of India and the Government of Bangladesh will look into it,” she said.

Source: The Indian Express

 

[The Bald Eagle]

With a population of 1.2 billion, the world's 5th largest economy, and the 4th largest army, India should face no significant obstacles in protecting the Hindus of Bangladesh or, more broadly, any Hindu community that is perceived to be marginalized or threatened.

Now, I sound like those advocating for Hindutva, who often ask, 'What is the Ummah doing about Palestine?

4th largest Army and their leaders still clueless so far.

 

[CricketCartoons]

4th largest Army and their leaders still clueless so far.

It is refreshing to see you admitting that bangladeshi hindus are being persecuted by bnagladeshi muslims. So the point on clueless indian govt is a point well taken.

 

[Red-Indian]

4th largest Army and their leaders still clueless so far.

This is silly taunting. The collective Muslim Army if you add up Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Bangladesh not to talk of the dozens of smaller Muslim States must be the largest military force in history yet all their leaders are clueless on what to do about a tiny country of 10 million with a couple of 100K soliders. This is after almost every leader of these countries condemning Israel and pledging to help the Palestinians.

Modi's made no claims of being willing to help Bangladeshi Hindus. Plus he only has the 4th largest army in the world compared to the massive Muslim army. Why are you trying to hold the Indian government and army accountable for saving Bangladeshi Hindus?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

This is silly taunting. The collective Muslim Army if you add up Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Bangladesh not to talk of the dozens of smaller Muslim States must be the largest military force in history yet all their leaders are clueless on what to do about a tiny country of 10 million with a couple of 100K soliders. This is after almost every leader of these countries condemning Israel and pledging to help the Palestinians.

Modi's made no claims of being willing to help Bangladeshi Hindus. Plus he only has the 4th largest army in the world compared to the massive Muslim army. Why are you trying to hold the Indian government and army accountable for saving Bangladeshi Hindus?

Well who is this guy who used to be too proud of Mukti Bahini.

And current Muslim leaders cowardice is behind the inaction against Israel, do you accept the same for Modi who in the past made amendments in CAA and used to make a proud mention of India's role in shape of Mukhti Bahini.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So bad then, won't India move to save the ones in plight now? Guys like CJ already calling for some action due to forthcoming refugee influx

Why? Is India refugee dump?

Its time to deport every Bangladeshi and Rohingya from India.

If India has to take significant amount of refugees from BD. India should also take propotionate land and resources.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Its time to deport every Bangladeshi and Rohingya from India.

Just for clarification every means every, right?

 

[cricketjoshila]

With a population of 1.2 billion, the world's 5th largest economy, and the 4th largest army, India should face no significant obstacles in protecting the Hindus of Bangladesh or, more broadly, any Hindu community that is perceived to be marginalized or threatened.

Now, I sound like those advocating for Hindutva, who often ask, 'What is the Ummah doing about Palestine?

We don't do thekedaari. Those who do it end up before the IMF with a begging bowl.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just for clarification every means every, right?

Law governs who can be deported. As you mentioned CAA.

 

[Red-Indian]

Well who is this guy who used to be too proud of Mukti Bahini.

And current Muslim leaders cowardice is behind the inaction against Israel, do you accept the same for Modi who in the past made amendments in CAA and used to make a proud mention of India's role in shape of Mukhti Bahini.

Yes if that'll satisfy you, I'm happy to admit Modi's as much of a coward as Erdogan, Imran Khan, Orban, Trump etc. when it comes to these matters. They all talk a big game but are very reluctant to actually use force.

And I'll say it's good thing. Talk all the nonsense you want. Just don't act on it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

4th largest Army and their leaders still clueless so far.

Lol. What is Islamic bomb owner Pakistan doing about Israel Palestine war?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes if that'll satisfy, I'm happy to admit Modi's as much of a coward as Erdogan, Imran Khan, Orban, Trump etc. when it comes to these matters. They all talk a big game but are very reluctant to actually use force.

And I'll say it's good thing. Talk all the nonsense you want. Just don't act on it.

Coward for what?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yes if that'll satisfy you, I'm happy to admit Modi's as much of a coward as Erdogan, Imran Khan, Orban, Trump etc. when it comes to these matters. They all talk a big game but are very reluctant to actually use force.

And I'll say it's good thing. Talk all the nonsense you want. Just don't act on it.

That's why the world need leaders like Putin, dictators but true to their words

 

[rpant_gabba]

That's why the world need leaders like Putin, dictators but true to their words

so you are saying Modi is not a dictator?

Looks like Netanyahu and putin belong in the same group.

 

[Red-Indian]

Coward for what?

To be honest, I don't even consider this cowardice i.e. not rushing to use force on behalf of some foreigners just because they share the same religion. I consider it justifiable pragmatism.

For some of these macho guys, it's a form of cowardice. I'm happy to concede the point if it makes them happy.

 

[CricketCartoons]

To be honest, I don't even consider this cowardice i.e. not rushing to use force on behalf of some foreigners just because they share the same religion. I consider it justifiable pragmatism.

For some of these macho keyboard guys, it's a form of cowardice. I'm happy to concede the point if it makes them happy.

Nice way to dehumanize bangladeshi hindus. Just "some foreigners".
Fine print: They are only hindus. The lesser the better.

 

[Red-Indian]

That's why the world need leaders like Putin, dictators but true to their words

Try telling that to the tens of thousands of Russian and Ukranian mothers who've lost their sons because that idiot Putin needed to be true to his words. Try telling it to their faces I dare you.

For myself, I'm happy to be living under cowards like Modi (or whichever coward Indian leader replaces him) and would wish for you to be living happily under cowards like Nawaz or Imran. I hope you never have to live under a true to his words dictator like Putin.

 

[Rajdeep]

If Modi take any steps, he will be the first one to criticize him.

Why don't Pakistan take all Indian muslims when they feel India is not safe for minorities?

Modi will do when he wants and what he wants. Just like he removed article 370 under the nose of Pakistan and no one could do a thing.

10/10 for trolling though

 

[CricketCartoons]

Try telling that to the tens of thousands of Russian and Ukranian mothers who've lost their sons because that idiot Putin needed to be true to his words. Try telling it to their faces I dare you.

Why worrying about some foreigners?

Suddenly using emotional language for Russians and Ukrainians.
But Bangladeshi hindus are just "some foreigners".

Presenting Exhibit A of typical "secular" indians whose humanity goes an a sick leave, the moment it comes to hindus.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's why the world need leaders like Putin, dictators but true to their words

It took India nearly 12 months to prepare for 1971 war. Even then it was Pakistan that started the war.

As of now no refugees have entered India.

The government will try diplomacy first. Failing which they will go up the escalation ladder.

 

[HalBass9]

OP is gaslighting again. If Modi take any steps, he will be the first one to criticize him.

Why don't Pakistan take all Indian muslims when they feel India is not safe for minorities?

Modi will do when he wants and what he wants. Just like he removed article 370 under the nose of Pakistan and no one could do a thing.

10/10 for trolling though

Hindutva enthusiasts, like Joshila, conveniently act as if they are the 'thakedaar' of all Hindus.

Poor Bangladeshi Hindus was looking for them, but I guess it was just false bravado.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Hindutva enthusiasts, like Joshila, conveniently act as if they are the 'thakedaar' of all Hindus.

Poor Bangladeshi Hindus was looking for them, but I guess it was just false bravado.

and pak (brit) islamists act like they are protectors of all ummah. yet all they can do sit and whine about palestine

when netanyahu does what putin does, they cry. weird

 

[anikrc1]

This is silly taunting. The collective Muslim Army if you add up Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Bangladesh not to talk of the dozens of smaller Muslim States must be the largest military force in history yet all their leaders are clueless on what to do about a tiny country of 10 million with a couple of 100K soliders. This is after almost every leader of these countries condemning Israel and pledging to help the Palestinians.

Modi's made no claims of being willing to help Bangladeshi Hindus. Plus he only has the 4th largest army in the world compared to the massive Muslim army. Why are you trying to hold the Indian government and army accountable for saving Bangladeshi Hindus?

I think the collective Muslim army will be somewhat equal in power to India. But nowhere near China, Russia and USA doesn't even need mentioning. It's not about numbers in modern warfare.

 

[HalBass9]

and pak (brit) islamists act like they are protectors of all ummah. yet all they can do sit and whine about palestine

when netanyahu does what putin does, they cry. weird

You are absolutely correct, Hindutva and Islamists are very much alike.

But as an atheist shouldn't you be adopting 'not getting worked up' tone when Hindutvas are criticized?

 

[Devadwal]

OP is gaslighting again. If Modi take any steps, he will be the first one to criticize him.

Why don't Pakistan take all Indian muslims when they feel India is not safe for minorities?

Modi will do when he wants and what he wants. Just like he removed article 370 under the nose of Pakistan and no one could do a thing.

10/10 for trolling though

Yesterday was 5th anniversary of abrogation of Article 370 .has pakistan shown support by standing silent for two minutes?

 

[rpant_gabba]

You are absolutely correct, Hindutva and Islamists are very much alike.

But as an atheist shouldn't you be adopting 'not getting worked up' tone when Hindutvas are criticized?

why? it’s fun sticking and twisting it to holders of Islamic bomb

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yesterday was 5th anniversary of abrogation of Article 370 .has pakistan shown support by standing silent for two minutes?

There was an entire ceremony conducted on that by Shehbaz Government and great media coverage of that topic too in Pakistan but let's not derail thread

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If Modi take any steps, he will be the first one to criticize him.

Why don't Pakistan take all Indian muslims when they feel India is not safe for minorities?

Modi will do when he wants and what he wants. Just like he removed article 370 under the nose of Pakistan and no one could do a thing.

10/10 for trolling though

We are reading to take up all of indian Muslims on this condition. Go ahead please. And Modi is afraid to poke nose in Bangladesh as he fears a US like Afghanistan fate

If India has to take significant amount of refugees from BD. India should also take propotionate land and resources.

 

[HalBass9]

why? it’s fun sticking and twisting it to holders of Islamic bomb

Once again, you're the shining star of atheism with your selective outrage.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We are reading to take up all of indian Muslims on this condition. Go ahead please. And Modi is afraid to poke nose in Bangladesh as he fears a US like Afghanistan fate

Lol. BD is surrounded by India. India doesn't need to stay in BD. Just create a buffer state for minorities and get out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There was an entire ceremony conducted on that by Shehbaz Government and great media coverage of that topic too in Pakistan but let's not derail thread

Ceremony? What will that do?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindutva enthusiasts, like Joshila, conveniently act as if they are the 'thakedaar' of all Hindus.

Poor Bangladeshi Hindus was looking for them, but I guess it was just false bravado.

Thekedaari is a job we outsourced in 1947.

 

[rickroll]

No, you didn't get my point. I mean where is your government now after those tall claims. And where is the 1971 precedent now? Also Pakistan never participated as a regular army in palestine wars before so no precedent from their side but what about your government who has been harping the pro hindu minorities rhethoric.

Also Muslims have a concept of Ummah so there feelings are understandable what curious to know if there is any such sentimental bond between Hindus too.

As selfish and vile and bigoted the Indian government is, they are doing the right thing, putting their country's interests first instead of being swayed by some Ummah fantasy. We (Pakistan) have done that time and again and have only suffered. We took the Afghans in, sharing what little we had for our own but look what happened then? The Afghans instigated TTP against us, and even in sport situations have clashed with us (the ones who helped them) and have become bhai-bhai with India (a non-Ummah brethren).

I do agree with your calling out any irony/hypocrisy in Indian government's actions but in a way this is a lesson learned for Pakistan - how best to put our own interests first.

 

[HalBass9]

As selfish and vile and bigoted the Indian government is, they are doing the right thing, putting their country's interests first instead of being swayed by some Ummah fantasy. We (Pakistan) have done that time and again and have only suffered. We took the Afghans in, sharing what little we had for our own but look what happened then? The Afghans instigated TTP against us, and even in sport situations have clashed with us (the ones who helped them) and have become bhai-bhai with India (a non-Ummah brethren).

I do agree with your calling out any irony/hypocrisy in Indian government's actions but in a way this is a lesson learned for Pakistan - how best to put our own interests first.

Taking in Afghan refugees didn't destroy Pakistan; standing up for the oppressed isn't what ruined the country.

Pakistanis within Pakistan have ruined it for themselves to maintain the wealth disparity.

 

[rickroll]

Taking in Afghan refugees didn't destroy Pakistan; standing up for the oppressed isn't what ruined the country.

Pakistanis within Pakistan have ruined it for themselves to maintain the wealth disparity.

Well, did the Afghans reciprocate our kindness? Why is it that it is only us on the giving end to our "Ummah brothers" and in return we pretty much get shafted every time. Are we as a society so indoctrinated in this koolaid that even saying Pakistanis first is becoming unpopular?

Yes, brainwashing entire generations to always put someone else's fights in the forefront of their minds has ruined our country.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys Please stick to the topic

 

[HalBass9]

Well, did the Afghans reciprocate our kindness? Why is it that it is only us on the giving end to our "Ummah brothers" and in return we pretty much get shafted every time. Are we as a society so indoctrinated in this koolaid that even saying Pakistanis first is becoming unpopular?

Yes, brainwashing entire generations to always put someone else's fights in the forefront of their minds has ruined our country.

You are ignoring the historical context that led to Afghan refugees in Pakistan. What was Afghanistan supposed to do in return for Pakistan?

Having Afghan refugees is not the cause of Pakistan's current state. The lack of education and poor governance are. Afghan refugees never prevented the Pakistani government from governing for the people of Pakistan or from investing in education.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Putin has a lot of short comings but isn't a liar like Netanyahu who break the ceasefire arrangements on every other occasion who lie Infront of Congress of not targeting civilians and in reality has killed many.

What Putin has done in Ukraine is also condemnable but there the west is not letting Ukraine agree to a peace deal to further their agenda.

But for Guys like you Modi is a saint, your stance is indeed a shame for atheists

so you are saying Modi is not a dictator?

Looks like Netanyahu and putin belong in the same group.

 

[rickroll]

You are ignoring the historical context that led to Afghan refugees in Pakistan. What was Afghanistan supposed to do in return for Pakistan?

Having Afghan refugees is not the cause of Pakistan's current state. The lack of education and poor governance are. Afghan refugees never prevented the Pakistani government from governing for the people of Pakistan or from investing in education.

I mentioned Afghan refugees as one of the many examples. Afghan refugees are one of the "trees" in this forest and I encourage you to look at the entire "forest" here.

One of the big reasons for Pakistan's current state is this entire forest and not just the one tree (Afghans). You mentioned lack of education and poor governance. Dig deeper and go into the why for those things and probably other things plaguing Pakistan. Each of these has multiple core triggers and among them will be the lack of initiative by those in power and the people to put Pakistan's interests first.

• Lack of education because youth are taken away from education to something else.
• Something else here is mostly fundamentalism for us, our youth being too involved in radical fundamentalism (as opposed to genuine faith) at the wrong impressionable time of their life destroys education.
• What one of the driving forces sustaining this radical fundamentalism? The inner subconscious mentality that we are all one under the faith umbrella (clearly not the case) and as a result if we fight for other brothers even during our hopeless stage as a nation then others will come for our needs.
• Who created and perpetuated this subconscious mentality among the masses? Originally a fallout of the disastrous strategy by Zia in the 80s and then taken over by others as they clearly see this as a way to sway the masses and thus control whichever corrupt elite to do their bidding.

Best way to counter this and help Pakistan? Dispelling this Ummah myth and bringing our people to the reality that we should help ourselves first.

 

[HalBass9]

I mentioned Afghan refugees as one of the many examples. Afghan refugees are one of the "trees" in this forest and I encourage you to look at the entire "forest" here.

One of the big reasons for Pakistan's current state is this entire forest and not just the one tree (Afghans). You mentioned lack of education and poor governance. Dig deeper and go into the why for those things and probably other things plaguing Pakistan. Each of these has multiple core triggers and among them will be the lack of initiative by those in power and the people to put Pakistan's interests first.

• Lack of education because youth are taken away from education to something else.
• Something else here is mostly fundamentalism for us, our youth being too involved in radical fundamentalism (as opposed to genuine faith) at the wrong impressionable time of their life destroys education.
• What one of the driving forces sustaining this radical fundamentalism? The inner subconscious mentality that we are all one under the faith umbrella (clearly not the case) and as a result if we fight for other brothers even during our hopeless stage as a nation then others will come for our needs.
• Who created and perpetuated this subconscious mentality among the masses? Originally a fallout of the disastrous strategy by Zia in the 80s and then taken over by others as they clearly see this as a way to sway the masses and thus control whichever corrupt elite to do their bidding.

Best way to counter this and help Pakistan? Dispelling this Ummah myth and bringing our people to the reality that we should help ourselves first.

So, we agree: the issue isn't the refugees, it's the lack of governance, education, meritocracy, and rule of law. All of these are controlled by the elite to maintain disparity.

Provide these, and Pakistan will prosper while still caring about 'the Ummah.'

 

[rickroll]

So, we agree: the issue isn't the refugees, it's the lack of governance, education, meritocracy, and rule of law. All of these are controlled by the elite to maintain disparity.

Provide these, and Pakistan will prosper while still caring about 'the Ummah.'

My very point is that these will not be provided unless and until we put Pakistan first. It is not some magic wand that will somehow provide. It will be provided when the system becomes efficient in resource management. Our resource bandwidth (in terms of fiscal, human capital, knowledge capital, service competency) is all meager which means this is a zero sum game. We don't (never did for many decades) have the flexibility of doing "this and that".

Reality is that it is an either or situation - do we put progress of Pakistan first or put some Ummah brother's well being instead? (who will backstab us as well mind you). Masses caring about 'Ummah' as a one way traffic situation is not sustainable even for rich countries and more so for us.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Putin has a lot of short comings but isn't a liar like Netanyahu who break the ceasefire arrangements on every other occasion who lie Infront of Congress of not targeting civilians and in reality has killed many.

What Putin has done in Ukraine is also condemnable but there the west is not letting Ukraine agree to a peace deal to further their agenda.

But for Guys like you Modi is a saint, your stance is indeed a shame for atheists

u posted Modi is dictator first than implied he is not able to dictate like putin

I gave you a example of Netanyahu who laos you have problem with

weird

 

[HalBass9]

My very point is that these will not be provided unless and until we put Pakistan first. It is not some magic wand that will somehow provide. It will be provided when the system becomes efficient in resource management. Our resource bandwidth (in terms of fiscal, human capital, knowledge capital, service competency) is all meager which means this is a zero sum game. We don't (never did for many decades) have the flexibility of doing "this and that".

Reality is that it is an either or situation - do we put progress of Pakistan first or put some Ummah brother's well being instead? (who will backstab us as well mind you). Masses caring about 'Ummah' as a one way traffic situation is not sustainable even for rich countries and more so for us.

Implementing education, meritocracy, good governance, and the rule of law will naturally elevate Pakistan by ensuring that deserving individuals occupy key positions.

The majority of Pakistanis are leaving the country, not because they want to help 'the Ummah,' but because they seek better opportunities for themselves and their families. If education, meritocracy, good governance, and the rule of law are established in Pakistan, most of them would choose to stay.

While striving for these improvements, we can continue to advocate for 'the Ummah.' I am not suggesting that Pakistan should deploy its army to defend other Muslim nations, nor is Pakistan currently doing that, but we can certainly speak out and protest whenever there is a genocide.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As selfish and vile and bigoted the Indian government is, they are doing the right thing, putting their country's interests first instead of being swayed by some Ummah fantasy. We (Pakistan) have done that time and again and have only suffered. We took the Afghans in, sharing what little we had for our own but look what happened then? The Afghans instigated TTP against us, and even in sport situations have clashed with us (the ones who helped them) and have become bhai-bhai with India (a non-Ummah brethren).

I do agree with your calling out any irony/hypocrisy in Indian government's actions but in a way this is a lesson learned for Pakistan - how best to put our own interests first.

Calling out for what? Not doing what pakistanis want us to do?

 

[rickroll]

Implementing education, meritocracy, good governance, and the rule of law will naturally elevate Pakistan by ensuring that deserving individuals occupy key positions.

The majority of Pakistanis are leaving the country, not because they want to help 'the Ummah,' but because they seek better opportunities for themselves and their families. If education, meritocracy, good governance, and the rule of law are established in Pakistan, most of them would choose to stay.

While striving for these improvements, we can continue to advocate for 'the Ummah.' I am not suggesting that Pakistan should deploy its army to defend other Muslim nations, nor is Pakistan currently doing that, but we can certainly speak out and protest whenever there is a genocide.

Dude, you are right but stopping only at surface level. Go deeper for a few levels by asking yourself WHY that is happening? I did not say Pakistanis are exiting Pakistan to help the Ummah. Them exiting is a multi-level symptom and not the immediate cause-effect.

1. Why are Pakistanis leaving the country? - Lack of education, opportunities, governance.
2. Why is there lack of education and opportunities? - System is not providing that.
3. Why is the system not providing that? - Meager resources and effort is not focused or concerted along with bad leadership.
4. Why are the efforts not focused? - Can only focus on one thing at a time with minimal resources at hand.
5. Why is there focus on multiple things? - Too many distracting goals fed to the masses deviating them away from first making our country better.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Modi's inaction let Gujrat riots occur and if acted the same way for one month then Bangladesh Hindus may suffer too same way according to indian channels

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi's inaction let Gujrat riots occur and if acted the same way for one month then Bangladesh Hindus may suffer too same way according to indian channels

Is Modi PM of BD?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Is Modi PM of BD?

He has sealed the borders of India and thus negated a humanitarian corridor for BD Hindus although situation there has improved somewhat from yesterday

 

[cricketjoshila]

He has sealed the borders of India and thus negated a humanitarian corridor for BD Hindus although situation there has improved somewhat from yesterday

There is no improvement in situation.

His first and foremost responsibility is to protect Indians and India's interests.

 

[Champ_Pal]

CAA or not, there is no future for Hindus in Bangladesh or Pakistan. It’s better for them to move out and settle in India. At least their future generations will be happy and thank their forefathers for their sacrifices.

Hindus in BD and Pak are always in danger of genocide. They cannot be at the mercy of extremist governments and generals.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Missing Person Alert!

PM of India, the biggest voice of Hindus around the world is still missing and has been unheard of since the unexpected toppling of Sheikh Hasina government. Whoever finds him must alert him regarding the plights of Hindus in Bangladesh. As it appears even he isn't watching Indian news outlets these days.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

O finally he has spoken up guys

https://twitter.com/x/status/1821574094195769549