Did lack of power hitting costing us the 2nd ODI vs England?

[ritzy_123]

I think Pakistan team will be in more comfortable position if somehow we can find power hitters down the order.

 

[in_cutter]

Asif is the obvious answer

 

[SM1989]

its the rubbish bowling that has cost pakistan this match

 

[ritzy_123]

its the rubbish bowling that has cost pakistan this match

England also going for runs by the way

 

[in_cutter]

its the rubbish bowling that has cost pakistan this match

Eng have been equally rubbish

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Bowling cost us the game

 

[ritzy_123]

Bowling cost us the game

England was equally rubbish to be honest that means pitch was a belter

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Bowling lost us the match.

It was almost the second best chase ever.

Batsmen should be proud they even sniffed it. Faqar has looked great.

 

[Abdullah719]

No.

 

[Titan24]

Bowling was poor but where we were at one stage during the match couple of sixes could have won us the match.

We definitely lack consistent hitters. Only Fakhar and Asif are there while Imad and Faheem are hit or miss all rounders.

Having Accumulators in Imam, Haris and Sarfaraz doesnt help either in tough chases when they go till the end as they dont have the power game.

 

[IMMY69]

Shah lost us this match.

Shadab in for Yasir and Amir in for Faheem.

Then Hafeez to come in at 5 or 6..
We missed Hafeez’s middle order batting today.

We have te ingredients it’s just a matter of getting them into the team and in the right places.

 

[waleed88]

More than that, it was our inability to hit in any other place besides the leg side.

If it was Kohli he would've swatted them over extra cover

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

England was equally rubbish to be honest that means pitch was a belter

But they did well when it mattered in the death overs, both bowling and batting. Pakistan did badly, and it's a pattern which is often repeated.

 

[Suleiman]

Proud of the effort in the chase. That was quite something.

They deserve criticism as a team but praise too. Nobody gave them a snow ball’s chance in hell to even make 300 after England posted that.

Time to dump Yasir out for good. Bowling cost us.

 

[nextover666666]

Batting wise I don't think Pakistan did no wrong today it was the horrible bowling that cost the match and captaincy as well when we were bowling , Sarfraz didn't seem to have a plan with his fielders

 

[Titan24]

Shah lost us this match.

Shadab in for Yasir and Amir in for Faheem.

Then Hafeez to come in at 5 or 6..
We missed Hafeez’s middle order batting today.

We have te ingredients it’s just a matter of getting them into the team and in the right places.

Well put, ingredients are there and that is why I am not a fan of current team management who have collected talented individuals but cant create a combination out of them and havent been able to provide a proper game plan.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Seasoned power hitters would have made this a cake walk. We had Imam and Faheem as power hitters. Enough said.

Hats off to this team, who no one gave any hope in hell of getting anywhere close to 374.

 

[Mueez]

Hafeez and Asif.

That’s what we have got, I don’t see Faheem as a hard-hitter anymore.

 

[IMMY69]

But they did well when it mattered in the death overs, both bowling and batting. Pakistan did badly, and it's a pattern which is often repeated.

I don’t think that’s entirely correct.
Yes, ultimately our bowling lost it for us BUT I doubt England would have chased 370 even against this bowling.

 

[waleed88]

I don’t think that’s entirely correct.
Yes, ultimately our bowling lost it for us BUT I doubt England would have chased 370 even against this bowling.

Seriously, this total was chaseable.

In these conditions, you cannot blame the bowlers.

If you have 30 to get off 3 overs, or 68 off 42 balls. I would back the batting side 9 times out of 10.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t think that’s entirely correct.
Yes, ultimately our bowling lost it for us BUT I doubt England would have chased 370 even against this bowling.

Probably right, but I am concerned how we finish games in general, the death bowling has been poor for some time now and so has the batting.

 

[waleed88]

Any way I would give this performance by Pakistan a solid 8 out 10. Very well played. Any other team would've won it from the position we were in.

But this isn't the first time we have botched a big run chase.

We lost against India chasing 350 in Karachi back in 2004.

Its part of our history.

There is a reason we lose like 99% of our games chasing a total above 300

 

[cricket_cfa]

More than that, it was our inability to hit in any other place besides the leg side.

If it was Kohli he would've swatted them over extra cover

thought similar

 

[ritzy_123]

I know we have this barrier bottling up the chases but slowly we're getting better let's hope we can improve soon.

As far as bowling is concern it's definitely an area which is becoming a cause of concern.

I think if Sarfaraz opens the bat so we can draft Hafeez into playing XI so we'll have capable batting order to hit few sixes as well.

 

[hashimafzal]

England executed their bowling strategy at the death (bowl short, bowl wide) while we were getting creamed all around by Jos Butler. Don't put the blame on the batsmen because no way in hell did anyone think this total was going to be chased.

Good boost of confidence going in to the WC.

 

[Abdullah]

Proud of the effort in the chase. That was quite something.

They deserve criticism as a team but praise too. Nobody gave them a snow ball’s chance in hell to even make 300 after England posted that.

Time to dump Yasir out for good. Bowling cost us.

This. we actually were ahead going into last 3 overs so we broke the back of a 374 chase.
Same people who say we can't score 320 should surely be seeing the positives from today, but they just want to find reasons to hate

 

[srh]

Faheem has to click as a power hitter

 

[waleed88]

This. we actually were ahead going into last 3 overs so we broke the back of a 374 chase.
Same people who say we can't score 320 should surely be seeing the positives from today, but they just want to find reasons to hate

Its not that, we should've won this game.

Forget the fact that we are chasing 374.

In this era, anytime you have to get 30 off the last 3 overs, you're batting let you down. Its criminal in this day and age of t20, to lose it from this point.

I would call this a choke. The batsmen should've seen it through

 

[angeldsoul]

The problem is the position we got into all other odi sides
Would have chased it down. 29 off 16 should be a cake walk but not for us!!!! 52 off last 5 with 6 wits should have been game over but not for us. W3 need to address that

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

England executed their bowling strategy at the death (bowl short, bowl wide) while we were getting creamed all around by Jos Butler. Don't put the blame on the batsmen because no way in hell did anyone think this total was going to be chased.

Good boost of confidence going in to the WC.

Fair point actually, Buttler was the difference. He was far better than anything we have in that position.

 

[Abdullah]

We learnt we can chase 360.
Just need to kick Yasir out and draft amir and shadab in.
Haris needs to improve his bowling and we may need to get hafeez in for his off spin option

 

[waleed88]

For Pakistan's very low standards this was exceptional. Any other team would be disappointed not to win. Considering this wasn't their first choice attack either.

 

[waleed88]

The problem is the position we got into all other odi sides
Would have chased it down. 29 off 16 should be a cake walk but not for us!!!! 52 off last 5 with 6 wits should have been game over but not for us. W3 need to address that

Very true

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We learnt we can chase 360.
Just need to kick Yasir out and draft amir and shadab in.
Haris needs to improve his bowling and we may need to get hafeez in for his off spin option

Not exactly. If we'd been chasing 360, we'd probably have scored 340. Getting over the line is one of the biggest mental hurdles, and it will need someone to show a finisher's mentality.

 

[QalandarFan]

No the garbage bowling at the death did.

 

[Abdullah]

Its not that, we should've won this game.

Forget the fact that we are chasing 374.

In this era, anytime you have to get 30 off the last 3 overs, you're batting let you down. Its criminal in this day and age of t20, to lose it from this point.

I would call this a choke. The batsmen should've seen it through

England bowled well. I would rather look at the positive. Did u think we could get to 342 off 47 overs?

 

[happydavy]

Baring England, and to some extent SA (Miller), all teams have problem with late order hitting. Even in this new world of t20 dominated cricket, there are hardly any quality late order hitters.

 

[waleed88]

England bowled well. I would rather look at the positive. Did u think we could get to 342 off 47 overs?

I get it. Like I said this was exceptional for our low standards.

 

[CricVet]

It is obviously pointed out that last 5 overs made the difference of each inning. I would say poor bowling from either sides overall. Too many balls were put in the slot by fast bowlers majority of the time.

Yasir shahs again is an obvioys culprit and “jonsa” chief selector has made sure that we head into the WC unprepared in the spin dept. Our part timers will have to bail us out in the future games, including WC. One has to be extremely dumb to repeatedly select a spinner who has not done anything to speak off in LOIs serving as warm ups. I can’t be any redundant I guess expressing my grief because that will get deleted.

 

[taqi]

This match and may others lack of power hitting is the main issue for Pakistan team going into WC with spin attack if shadab doesn’t get fit.

Hafeez at 6 can be w solution but I have not seen him chase. Batting first he proved himself in CT final.

Asif Ali is good too but he is too many miss than an occasional hit

 

[Loralai]

Yasir Shah must simply not play ODI cricket ever again.

I believe Zafar Gauhar is playing cricket in UK - please call him up to the squad instead.

It is embarrassing watching Yasir Shah being humiliated like this repeatedly. He looks like a club player.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I get it. Like I said this was exceptional for our low standards.

Which team, besides West Indies, has given England such a scare?

Genuine question

 

[ritzy_123]

Its not that, we should've won this game.

Forget the fact that we are chasing 374.

In this era, anytime you have to get 30 off the last 3 overs, you're batting let you down. Its criminal in this day and age of t20, to lose it from this point.

I would call this a choke. The batsmen should've seen it through

Exactly that's the point

 

[Zaz]

It shouldve been won The lack of hitting power at the end was evident and in contrast to england

This is where hafeez and Asif ali are musts at 5-6

Faheem needs to be dropped from the team his batting ability is a false rumour

 

[Usman Chadda]

It shouldve been won The lack of hitting power at the end was evident and in contrast to england

This is where hafeez and Asif ali are musts at 5-6

Faheem needs to be dropped from the team his batting ability is a false rumour

Yeah. Contrary to popular belief, we missed Hafeez in this game. He would also have supported Asif much better than Sarfraz.

 

[Markhor]

Maybe but I'd say when you go into an ODI with Faheem and Yasir in your attack you're two bowlers short.

Add to that an inexperienced Shaheen then it's a recipe for trouble against a settled and powerful English batting unit.

 

[LordEddardStark]

50 in last 5 overs with 6 wickets intact should have been a cakewalk. The lack of power hitters was definitely the chief reason in 2nd innings. Though I still maintain that it was bowling that lost us match today.

And I see that this power hitting problem is not going to be solved for the world cup anyway. We simply will have to drop Faheem for good and play a proper pacer in his place. Asif has finally showed glimpses of his much talked about potential and in absence of Faheem he'll definitely need to be part of world cup squad. This sadly means that Malik will not be playing his last world cup. But he never deserved it anyway so good riddance.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Dont think power hitters, the muppet captaan didn't have homework on bowlers , even my 7 year was convinced Yasir Shah is a waste in ODI. genious selections sighssss

 

[Hasan123]

Our so called world class bowling attack cost us. Faheem and Yasir have no business playing LO cricket for Pakistan.

 

[Cric1234]

Yes Akmal is the top order is a must but he's sitting at home.

 

[saeedhk]

Faheem has to click as a power hitter

There’s more chance of Shaheen scoring a hundred than this useless scoring some runs.

 

[waleed88]

Which team, besides West Indies, has given England such a scare?

Genuine question

Yaar bus kardo bhai.. we are winners and we dont like losing this should be the attitude.

Brought them close is not a sign of a winning mentality

 

[Nasty Naz]

Pretty sure the bowlers giving up 373 runs is what cost us the game...

I think people have to be realistic. Pakistan is not a side that will score 400 runs or chase down 375 because they simply do not possess enough talented batsmen to pull that off. But this batting lineup is more than capable enough to get around 300 and in the end, it comes down to selecting the right bowlers who will do the job for you. They have plenty of options but they keep selecting poor bowlers that simply do not provide enough on this team (looking directly at you Faheem and Yasir).

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Captain looked clueless. Even Asif Ali and Imad knew this. That's why they tried to hit every ball out of the park knowing the person from other end can't clear the rope. He definitely needs to bat among top 4. Where he can keep the scoreboard ticking without going out of hi comfort zone (Hitting).

 

[Justcrazy]

If Faheem cannot play little cameos down the order or cannot score runs as pinch hitter up the order , its better playing with a genuine bowler , someone like Junaid. That is why I felt that Pakistan needs a seam bowling batting all rounder , instead of Faheem. Yammine is far better with bat than Faheem.

Yammine , Harris and Fakhar can give you 10 - 15 overs easily every game , plus you have a really good batsman down at number 7 .

 

[TeymurBlake]

The problem is Babar, Haris and Sarfaraz are not consistent hitters or big hitters. There more accumulators who keep the scoreboard ticking.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Yaar bus kardo bhai.. we are winners and we dont like losing this should be the attitude.

Brought them close is not a sign of a winning mentality

I'm asking a genuine question, since I don't remember any of the top teams doing it recently.

For all the hoopla about the prowess of chasing, which team besides England (and West Indies in one or two games) have consistently challenged huge scores in recent times?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe but I'd say when you go into an ODI with Faheem and Yasir in your attack you're two bowlers short.

Add to that an inexperienced Shaheen then it's a recipe for trouble against a settled and powerful English batting unit.

The bowling is a separate issue, definitely it was the main reason we lost the match, but that doesn't take away from the fact we batted ourselves back into a winning position only to bottle it when it came to the last 10 overs. It's a consistent theme, personally I think there isn't enough batting in there, too many bits and pieces cricketers coming in too high up the order.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

This self-congratulatory approach of "nearly won the match" has got to stop.

Yes, it was a monumental effort.

But we fell short.

Again.

Now, I could have been labelled a pessimist had we normally won most of the times we have got the games close.

But every game I watch, we somehow seem to struggle to cross the line.

As another poster said, a target of 350 runs might have seen Pakistan still fall short by 10 runs at 340 and we would still be congratulating them for playing well.

You play to win.

Not to see how close you can get to the total.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lack of power and temperament at the end of the innings cost the match. We needed 29 of 16 when one of the wickets fell( I think),it should have been an easy win from there