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It is in the Quran and Hadith. Nobody needs to make up anything. Explicit verses.
Anyway. We don't need to care what non-Muslims say. We have our scriptures (Quran and Hadith).
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It is in the Quran and Hadith. Nobody needs to make up anything. Explicit verses.
Anyway. We don't need to care what non-Muslims say. We have our scriptures (Quran and Hadith).
That is because you are conditioned to believe without questioning.
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No. That's called being firm. We don't sell out our religion or change it like people from other religions may do.
We have fixed templates straight from Quran and Hadith.
Do you follow everything in Quran and Hadith? You can choose to decline to answer.
No one is perfect enough to follow everything in Quran and Hadith. Only Muhammad saw perfectly followed the Quran.
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I doubt any Muslim can be 100% perfect. We were created by God to be imperfect. But, templates are there in Quran and Hadith and we should try our best.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “Every son of Adam commits sin, and the best of those who commit sin are those who repent.”
Also, it is discouraged to publicize sin in case someone committed a sin:
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “All of my ummah will be forgiven except those who sin openly. It is a part of sinning openly when a man does something at night, then the following morning when Allaah has concealed his sin, he says, ‘O So and so, I did such and such last night,’ when all night his Lord has concealed him and the next morning he uncovers what Allaah had concealed.”
Also, some of the actions in Hadith are Sunnah acts (not mandatory). If someone does it, it is rewarding. If he doesn't do it, there's no sin.
Regarding your question, I pray 5 times, give Zakah, and fast during Ramadan. I am fulfilling the Islamic pillars (in sha Allah).
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But that’s all religions. Not just islam. Don’t question just follow.
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I can't speak for other religions, but Islam encourages critical thinking.
Here is a good video about it.
SO everyone sins at some point of time. So everyone gets hell punishment.
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With all due respect.In islam you believe in a flying horse. Sorry I had to say this as we are having a discussion. Once again with all due respect that's an absurd thing to believe in.
You cannot do critical thinking without questioning the commandments given.
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Is Noman Ali khan the disgraced preacher from Dallas who was caught harassing women ands secret marriage proposals.
No sinners are forgiven as long as they repent sincerely and don't sin openly. Plz refer to post#86 by sweep_shot
"Fix Costumes Or...": Madhya Pradesh Minister On Deepika Padukone's Song
Madhya Pradesh Home Minister Narottam Mishra on Wednesday objected to actor Deepika Padukone's costume in a song of Bollywood film "Pathaan" and also frowned upon the colour of the attire of Ms Padukone and lead actor Shah Rukh Khan, calling for its "rectification".
Mr Mishra said if certain scenes in the song are not "corrected", the government will consider what to do about the screening of the movie in Madhya Pradesh.
He said the "green" and "saffron" colours of the attire of the actor and the actress need to be "rectified" along with the lyrics of the song and also the title of the film, which will hit the screens next month.
"I feel the title of the song 'Besharam Rang' is also objectionable in its sense," he told reporters in Indore.
He also targeted Mr Khan, saying while the actor visits the Vaishno Devi shrine but he brings women actors in his films in bikinis.
Mr Mishra's statement came after the song, "Besharam Rang", featuring Ms Padukone was released recently.
"In the song 'Besharam Rang' which is made with contaminated mentality, the actor and the actress are clad in green and saffron clothes in an objectionable manner," he said.
Mr Mishra further said Ms Padukone's costumes in the song are prima facie "highly objectionable" and it is clearly visible that this song was filmed out of a "contaminated mentality".
"I would request to correct the scenes and her (Deepika Padukone's) costumes (in the song), otherwise whether this film should be allowed in Madhya Pradesh or not will be a question to be considered," Mr Mishra told reporters at Janapav in Mhow tehsil in Indore district earlier in the day.
The senior BJP leader also targeted Mr Khan over the portrayal of female actors in his movies.
“On the one hand he visits Mata Vaishno Devi shrine, which is a good thing, but on the other, he brings women actors in bikinis in his films, This is not good,” Mr Mishra added.
In the same breath, he said Ms Padukone has been a supporter of the "Tukde Tukde gang as seen in the JNU case".
The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) often uses the "tukde-tukde gang" remark coined in the aftermath of a JNU protest in Delhi in 2016.
"Pathaan", a Hindi-language action thriller film, is scheduled for release on January 25, 2023.
Notably, Mr Mishra, a senior leader of BJP in Madhya Pradesh, in October warned the makers of the Bollywood film "Adipurush", based on the epic Ramayana, of legal action if scenes showing Hindu religious figures in the "wrong" way are not removed.
In July this year, he directed to file an FIR (First Information Report) over a controversial poster of filmmaker Leena Manimekalai's documentary 'Kaali' after an outrage.
Madhya Pradesh Home Minister Narottam Mishra on Wednesday objected to actor Deepika Padukone's costume in a song of Bollywood film "Pathaan" and also frowned upon the colour of the attire of Ms Padukone and lead actor Shah Rukh Khan, calling for its "rectification".
Mr Mishra said if certain scenes in the song are not "corrected", the government will consider what to do about the screening of the movie in Madhya Pradesh.
He said the "green" and "saffron" colours of the attire of the actor and the actress need to be "rectified" along with the lyrics of the song and also the title of the film, which will hit the screens next month.
"I feel the title of the song 'Besharam Rang' is also objectionable in its sense," he told reporters in Indore.
He also targeted Mr Khan, saying while the actor visits the Vaishno Devi shrine but he brings women actors in his films in bikinis.
Mr Mishra's statement came after the song, "Besharam Rang", featuring Ms Padukone was released recently.
"In the song 'Besharam Rang' which is made with contaminated mentality, the actor and the actress are clad in green and saffron clothes in an objectionable manner," he said.
Mr Mishra further said Ms Padukone's costumes in the song are prima facie "highly objectionable" and it is clearly visible that this song was filmed out of a "contaminated mentality".
"I would request to correct the scenes and her (Deepika Padukone's) costumes (in the song), otherwise whether this film should be allowed in Madhya Pradesh or not will be a question to be considered," Mr Mishra told reporters at Janapav in Mhow tehsil in Indore district earlier in the day.
The senior BJP leader also targeted Mr Khan over the portrayal of female actors in his movies.
“On the one hand he visits Mata Vaishno Devi shrine, which is a good thing, but on the other, he brings women actors in bikinis in his films, This is not good,” Mr Mishra added.
In the same breath, he said Ms Padukone has been a supporter of the "Tukde Tukde gang as seen in the JNU case".
The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) often uses the "tukde-tukde gang" remark coined in the aftermath of a JNU protest in Delhi in 2016.
"Pathaan", a Hindi-language action thriller film, is scheduled for release on January 25, 2023.
Notably, Mr Mishra, a senior leader of BJP in Madhya Pradesh, in October warned the makers of the Bollywood film "Adipurush", based on the epic Ramayana, of legal action if scenes showing Hindu religious figures in the "wrong" way are not removed.
In July this year, he directed to file an FIR (First Information Report) over a controversial poster of filmmaker Leena Manimekalai's documentary 'Kaali' after an outrage.
Shah Rukh Khan's First Comments After 'Pathaan' Controversy Erupts
Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan on Thursday addressed the subject of social media toxicity and cancel culture, sending out a call for "positivity", in remarks that assume significance amid protests against his upcoming movie 'Pathaan'.
"The collective narrative of our times is shaped by social media. Contrary to the belief that social media will affect cinema negatively, I believe cinema has an even more important role to play now," he said at the opening of the 28th Kolkata International Film Festival (KIFF).
"Social media is often driven by a certain narrowness of view that limits human nature to its baser self. I read somewhere that negativity increases social media consumption and thereby increases its commercial value as well. Such pursuits enclose the collective narrative, making it divisive and destructive," Mr Khan said.
"We haven't been able to meet for a while, but the world is becoming normal now. We are all happy and I am the happiest. And I have no qualms in saying, that no matter what the world does, me and you, and all positive people in the world are ALIVE," he added.
The remarks come amid attacks on his next release 'Pathaan' by right-wing social media users backed by some leaders of the BJP, which governs at the centre - in the second such vitriolic campaign against a Muslim movie star after Aamir Khan's 'Laal Singh Chaddha' earlier this year.
Among those who have targeted the movie are Madhya Pradesh Home Minister Narottam Mishra of the BJP, who claimed one of the songs in the film showed a "contaminated mindset" and threatened to block its release in the state.
Central to the controversy around 'Pathaan' is an allegation that in the song 'Besharam Rang' (Shameless Colour), actor Deepika Padukone wears an orange outfit which, according to its detractors, resembles the saffron that is scared in Hinduism and is the main colour of the BJP.
Campaigns based on such scanty excuses against Mr Khan and those of his colleagues who are not seen as unabashed supporters of the ruling party have grown in recent years, threatening the country's vast film industry.
NDTV
Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan on Thursday addressed the subject of social media toxicity and cancel culture, sending out a call for "positivity", in remarks that assume significance amid protests against his upcoming movie 'Pathaan'.
"The collective narrative of our times is shaped by social media. Contrary to the belief that social media will affect cinema negatively, I believe cinema has an even more important role to play now," he said at the opening of the 28th Kolkata International Film Festival (KIFF).
"Social media is often driven by a certain narrowness of view that limits human nature to its baser self. I read somewhere that negativity increases social media consumption and thereby increases its commercial value as well. Such pursuits enclose the collective narrative, making it divisive and destructive," Mr Khan said.
"We haven't been able to meet for a while, but the world is becoming normal now. We are all happy and I am the happiest. And I have no qualms in saying, that no matter what the world does, me and you, and all positive people in the world are ALIVE," he added.
The remarks come amid attacks on his next release 'Pathaan' by right-wing social media users backed by some leaders of the BJP, which governs at the centre - in the second such vitriolic campaign against a Muslim movie star after Aamir Khan's 'Laal Singh Chaddha' earlier this year.
Among those who have targeted the movie are Madhya Pradesh Home Minister Narottam Mishra of the BJP, who claimed one of the songs in the film showed a "contaminated mindset" and threatened to block its release in the state.
Central to the controversy around 'Pathaan' is an allegation that in the song 'Besharam Rang' (Shameless Colour), actor Deepika Padukone wears an orange outfit which, according to its detractors, resembles the saffron that is scared in Hinduism and is the main colour of the BJP.
Campaigns based on such scanty excuses against Mr Khan and those of his colleagues who are not seen as unabashed supporters of the ruling party have grown in recent years, threatening the country's vast film industry.
NDTV
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It is for God to decide who will go to Jannah and who will go to Jahannam. Our good deeds and bad deeds will be taken into accounts.
God created us as imperfect beings. God wants us to repent to Him constantly.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “Every son of Adam commits sin, and the best of those who commit sin are those who repent.”
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “By the One in whose hand is my soul, if you did not sin, Allah would replace you with people who would sin, and they would seek forgiveness from Allah and He would forgive them.”
Also, Allah (SWT) said in the Quran:
“If you avoid the great sins which you are forbidden to do, We shall expiate from you your (small) sins, and admit you to a Noble Entrance (i.e. Paradise)” [al-Nisaa’ 4:31]
Again, it is not black and white always. Allah (SWT) will be the ultimate Judge.
You can both be a critical thinking Muslim and a pious Muslim. Who says you can't?
Its not like the two are mutually exclusive.
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He is an Islamophobe. Always tries to find faults in Islam but fails.
Will you question the Qran ?
Anyone who questions is not a phobe. We do not wear the glasses you wear to see no faults.
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Please see post #86 and #94.
The Holy Quran calls for critical thinking and reasoning and you can use your mind to arrive at the conclusion that the Quran is from Allah.
Once you accept that Quran is from Allah then you have to submit to his commandments as questioning them means that you are questioning the creator.
Here is a good article about Quran and critical thinking.
https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/2017/10/30/the-quran-calls-for-critical-thinking-and-reasoning/
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I said if someone repents from shirk before death. I did not say if someone dies as a Mushrik.
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How is shariah place in Saudi Arab ? You need to prove it , otherwise I can make 100 such statements about you , will that be considered as valid by you ?
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Your question would have been valid , If Islam promoted the things you mentioned , or said those things are allowed. Since that is not the case , your objection is invalid.
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Please don’t make irrational statements. You ask any Saudi official or Saudi and they will say they have sharia in the country. Yes they have a king. Which is not sharia. But sharia laws that discriminate against on Muslims are in place. . Makes no difference if there is a king or a calipha or a democratically elected Pm. I have nothing more to add
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You are free to question , has anyone stopped you from questioning regarding Islam ?
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He is not saying those things are promoted. He is saying they were happening
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You look into Pak Passion , It is Islam which has been questioned always , you sometimes disclose what your faith is , give us also opportunity to question that or only you people have the right to keep quetioning ?
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But Islam doesn't promote shirk or say that it is allowed either yet that is the unforgivable sin but not torture, rape, murder or genocide.
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Islam view on shirk is very clear , like about other things . By promoting , it is meant Islam does not encourage those things.
In Islam shirk is considered as rebellion against soverinity of God , an act of treason .
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Tbh it doesn’t sound that far fetched when there’s people believing about a magic bridge from india to Sri Lanka or plastic surgeries with elephant heads on human bodies happening 5000 years ago
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Agreed. Or that the world is 5000 years old or Jesus walked on water or turned water to wine and so on and so on
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Faith is not necessary to pass the test of belief , time and again we have gone into this argument which heads nowhere (Yes I'm guilty of it as well), this is not a chatroom where messages are lost after personal attacks or remarks, majority posts stay on threads which also gives us a chance to view our understanding from few years ago and what we posted a reason I keep coming back and get surprised as to how I viewing situations before.
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Not just you standard run of the mill flying horse. It flew to meet God in under a night! Artemis took 6 days to get to the moon rough calculation that is about 2,500 km/hr. To get to heaven and back, wow that is some speed!
To be fair tho, you did say it was as nonsensical as magic bridges and plastic surgery with pachderm heads.
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If God wills anything to happen, it happens. God is not restricted to our limited world.
Islam doesn't say this world is 5000 years old. There is no specific timeline mentioned. Please see this: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/145806/are-there-any-texts-that-state-the-age-of-the-earth.
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Christianity does. You can’t have a conversation with anyone who says it’s gods will. Nothing can be said. And I respect other peoples views. I just don’t agree with them and I am shocked that people believe these fables. But I respect everyone’s beliefs.
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Sorry Christianity believes in 5k old world. Sorry. Just to be clear. Also. I respect everyone else beliefs as long they they keep them to themselves. It’s non of my business
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Unless of course there is a need for witnesses to a financial matter - if two men are not available then one man and two females are required.
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The list is very long . But when you lost it they say you are cherry picking.
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So, you have a problem with "God willing" or "In sha Allah".
You remind me of Iblees.
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They should just call themselves Hindu's, that's all. Most of them have no idea of Islam or it's teachings. SRK tells his children that his religious belief is "Hindustani". I have never been a fan of any of these Khan's at all.
That is why the RSS tell them to worship Hindu God's or else their money will stop and be seized. They can't bite the hands that feed them.
Because we are all "insaan" where as the choice to believe in any faith is a personal one. I mean he should stop equating himself with Muslim people if he is not one.
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Yup. Pretty much.
We are all humans. We are not goats or horses. Not sure why Shah Rukh Khan has to say he is an "insan".
If he doesn't want to follow any religion, he should declare it instead of beating around the bushes.
I am telling you that if a Muslim commits shirk then repents it may still not be enough for forgiveness. When a non Muslim commits shirk then embrace Islam they are forgiven as they did not know about it. A born Muslim is supposed to know about shirk.
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Hindustani!
SRK seems to have invented this new religion. I guess he wants it to be a mixture of everything.
Hindustani lol. What a fool.
At this point, he should simply come out and say that he is a Hindu. I would have more respect for him then.
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In Islam Men and Women are equal , not identical. In Real life for practical purposes also it is same. I do not know what are you complaining about.
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Well , the things is that we cannot restrict mercy of Allah, if someone repents with sincerity , Allah does forgive.
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Ok. So everything else is forgivable but not shirk. So rape, murder and genocide can be forgiven but praying to an idol can’t?
So I can completely ruin someones life, murder them, but that can be forgiven. But in terms of hardship, I just ask for help from an idol, I am bound for eternal hell.
ROFLMAO.
So I can completely ruin someones life, murder them, but that can be forgiven. But in terms of hardship, I just ask for help from an idol, I am bound for eternal hell.
ROFLMAO.
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WE can write many things about gomutra too.
Learn to respect other faiths.
And, yes. Shirk is the biggest sin in Islam. Praying to idol is a potential ticket to hellfire.
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Again, let me see if I understood it right.
I might rape another woman, but I would still be considered a better human than if I were to pray to an idol?
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Have you read the Quran yourself ?
Kindly read something , spend sometime and then speak on those topics.
The Quran says that if a person kills someone without any reason , the person will be in hell forever.
Even our modern justice system classifies Killing into Murder and Man slaughter.
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Are they treated equally? Doesn't seem like it to me. Do they have the same inheritance rights? If not, how is that equal? Do they have the same rights in other ways - such as covering their bodies? Or in permissions they must get to do a thing?
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Are men and women biologically same? Do they have same challenges? Once you answer those, you should get your answer.
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You have presented a very simplistic take on a complex issue and then finished it off in an extremely classless way.
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Usual people have hijacked this thread with their usual anti-Islam rhetoric.
No more off topic posts from this point onwards.
Read the first post
And then reply to it.
No more off topic posts from this point onwards.
Read the first post
And then reply to it.
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Are Males and females identical , if you say they are all the rights should be equal. If not the rights would be different.
Male and females are two different species , with different purposes.
That is for Allah to decide. He may forgive depending on the person's other deeds. He may not also forgive as well.
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If a person sincerely apologizes , then Allah is often forgiving.
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Read again.
No I don't think so. Those like the NATO soldiers who have killed millions do not deserve to be forgiven This is why there is a concept of hell and heaven in Islam. I do believe that after the guilty have been punished they will eventually be forgiven.
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You are assuming that those people have seriously repented. Its not easy as you think.
There is a hadeeth , which says if last words of a dying person is shahadah , the person enters Paradise. I heard one Muslim doctor say , that in his career around 40 - 45 Muslims died in front of him , and only one could recite that.
Being a Muslim and Having Iman are two totally different things.
Once more Allah does not forgive every sin. Had this been so then we are free to sin all we want. This is the Christian concept that sin all you want as long as you believe in the crucifixion salvation is guaranteed. In Islam we are told that eventually hell will be empty but only after the guilty have been punished.
You telling me that murderers and rapists will be forgiven after shedding a few tears of regret simply isn't true.
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Yes offcourse , Allah swt is not bound to forgive , no one can force Allah swt.
But at the same time after almost every ayat of punishment Allah swt mentions he is willing to forgive if one .
repents.
The regret has to be honest and sincere , not shedding few tears . I as a human cannot judge what is the state in which a person is repenting. Remember Pharoh killed many people , yet Allah swt send his messenger to him to change his lifestyle and repent. He did Not and was punished.
The point you are making is general misconception even though a very sincere and sensetive question.
If a person has pre intention in his heart that I will committ such and such crime and then ask for forgivness , then he is likely not forgiven. But at the same time if a person because of human weakness without any preplanning commits sins , and then out of regret ask forgiveness , then it is totally different scenario.
Once again some forms of sin are not open to forgiveness until a cleansing process has been completed. Like murder or rape for example repentance alone may not be enough. Thing is most people do not repent from the heart rather more often then that repeat their sins such is the nature of man.
No rather you do not understand that some forms of sin can only be forgiven after punishment has been completed. Most families will rightfully demand punishment for those who have harmed a love one, that is justice where forgiveness is rightfully even rejected by people.
Human weakness is no excuse to commit a sin like murder or rape hence Islam allows capital punishment. Many crimes like a hungry person stealing food are instantly forgiven by Allah.
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Brother I can only quote what Quran and hadeeth says , I do not use my brain or philosophies when discussing religious issues here.
As far as Islam is concerned the greatest Sin is shirk. If a person truly repents , even that is forgiven. The companions , majority of them were Mushriks in there early lives is prime example of that.
Murder is another major sin. If on the day of judgement murderer cannot provide justification , he would be in hell foreever. Quran and hadeeth are very clear on this issue.
For example if someone murders someone , then the family can forgive the murderer after qasas ( blood money ) or if they do not then he would be killed , and that itself would constitute the repentance.
Hungry people and such things are related to Islamic khilafat isssue , its a big topic , difficult to write so much.
When I said Human weakness , it means the intention. Humans will do sins , that is how humans are made , the better are those who repent after that.
Adam AS disobeyed Allah swt and repented , where as iblis after disobeying , stood adamant ,
Why do you not want the guilty to be punished? It is this attitude that encourages violence that do whatever you want Allah will forgive. Your emotional blackmail will not convince me whatsoever.
Today's times are very different to when Islam was during the time of the Prophet. Then the unversed did not know much about it's teachings where as today every Muslim knows the severity of shirk. You see if someone killed my family member then I want utter dalmatian for them. Here I must also mention how blood money is allowed in Islam only if the victims family accepts.
No one can justify murder when in Islam killing one person equals killing entire humanity. No I reject your belief with all my heart that repenting is just enough when it simply isn't true. Prophets were on a different level to us so lets not go there. Some forms of sin are forgivable where as others or not. Your belief that even the most severe sins are forgiven upon repenting is not true.
Why do you not want the guilty to be punished? It is this attitude that encourages violence that do whatever you want Allah will forgive. Your emotional blackmail will not convince me whatsoever.
Today's times are very different to when Islam was during the time of the Prophet. Then the unversed did not know much about it's teachings where as today every Muslim knows the severity of shirk. You see if someone killed my family member then I want utter dalmatian for them. Here I must also mention how blood money is allowed in Islam only if the victims family accepts.
No one can justify murder when in Islam killing one person equals killing entire humanity. No I reject your belief with all my heart that repenting is just enough when it simply isn't true. Prophets were on a different level to us so lets not go there. Some forms of sin are forgivable where as others or not. Your belief that even the most severe sins are forgiven upon repenting is not true.
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Where did I say that I do not want the Guilty to be punished ? Show me where I write that .
Now the reality is I am not the judge , the one who is the judge will judge it. Even the one who judges in court goes by evidence . Does every murder result in a death sentence ? There are various factors which are seen. It is not a straightforward matter.
Secondly whatever I am saying is mentioned in the hadeeth, I have not written them myself. If you disagree I cannot help that.
Jibril came to me and gave me this glad tiding: "-Anyone from your ummah will enter Paradise if he dies without associating partners with Allah". Thereupon, I said to him, "-Even if he commits fornication and theft?" He replied, " Yes, even if he commits fornication and theft " According to what our Prophet (pbuh) narrates, he asked Jibril this question three times and he received the same answer each time.
This is in Bukhari , Tirmidhi and Musnad E Ahmed.
So , the prophet is saying something , and as a Muslim I am supposed to accept that as truth.
Yes , blood money is allowed only if the victim's family accepts that , otherwise he should be handed capital punishment. Nut if he is killed as a result of punishment , his sin is absolved for hereafter ( I am talking about the sin of murder ). He would no longer be held accountable for that Murder on the day of judgment.
In debates we look at evidence , not emotions. Firstly you say that prophets are at different levels , now if they do wrong that is even more bad because of their position they have , the high standards they have.
Secondly , I gave examples of companions who were Mushriks , yet they changed and repented and many of them became guiding lights for next generations.
How can someone justify murder ? I really did not expect someone educated and living in the west and a sensible person to be asking this kind of question.
Killing can be justified under various situations in real life as well. Killing done in self defense , killing done to protect someone , killing done as in accident, killing done when intention was only injury , killing done when during a fight , etc.
There have been many occasion when judges have given benefit to killer , considering several factors and circumstances in which it has been done.
In your insistence that Allah forgives everything you are effectively implying that all sins can be pardoned. You can not say that yet claim that the most heinous crimes should be forgiven. Every murder is punished in certain ways where as some perpetrators escape the law until they meet Allah! You do realize that Hadith has always been questioned and under scrutiny?
Even if the victims family accepts blood money it mean they not Allah nor the victim has forgiven them. I may accept blood money knowing that killing the perpetrator will not bring my loved one back then why not accept the money that will improve my financial status?. Once more the family of a deceased loved one forgiving him does not mean Allah will too.
Rather it is you that is saying that murderers will be forgiven by Allah if they repent while I am saying that they will be forgiven only after they have paid that price. This is why in Islam we are taught that eventually all people will be forgiven and making hell an empty place. Just like a mother often only forgives her child after some form of punishment it is the same with Allah.
We also have to consider why a person was killed. Was it by accident, manslaughter, an act of revenge or just taking the life of an innocent person to show ones strength?. Allah the most merciful will forgive all but not those who killed for the sake of pleasure.
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You guys are still at it, is a group of people visiting the holy land and doing pilgrimage really cause for such religious debate, goodness me
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I did not say Allah swt will forgive every sin , I said HE Can forgive . If HE chooses not to , no one can do anything about that. But if you repent , there is a big chance you will be forgiven. By repent it means if you have harmed anyone try to recompense for that.
The hadith has been scrutinized ? What is wrong with the hadith I presented ? If any scholar of hadith had objected to it , then you can doubt , but that is not the case .
Allah in Quran has recognised bool money , if it is given and he is still accountable on the day of judgment , then the Quran ayats will make no sense at all. If you loved your deceased so much why not extract punishment ? Why go for blood money in the first place? You simply cannot have it both ways.
These kinds of punishments in Islam are called Hadd. Once it is carried out , the person is absolved.
Yes , the price they are paying is in monetary nature. That is what the deceased family wanted , if they wish for compensation as qisas , they can have that too. Its there choice.
Eventually everyone will be forgiven and we Hell will be empty , I do not know who teaches this kind of nonsense. Nowhere the quran and hadith says this.
Mother is Human ,a creation , Allah is Creator . There is No comparison.
Your last statement is what I also wrote , read that again. Murder trials will be the first thing that will be questioned . Every murderer will be given the opportunity to speak and present his case. If he is not able to give justification , he will be in hell forever.
Yes he can forgive but the Islamic tradition is that the guilty must first be punished before forgiven is delivered. Allah can do anything at all other then forgive as well I mean he can turn mountains in to human beings so your point in invalid. Once again things like murder and rape have to be punished before such people are forgiven otherwise we would all be in heaven already.
It is not about any hadith but your belief that Allah can forgive...well by that logic he can do anything including punish those who sin deliberately. Yes you can have it both ways for sure in the sense that accept blood money to let the person live not to forgive them. I am accepting blood money to spare there life that is not to be seen as forgiveness at all. In my heart they will always be guilty until the day of judgement.
You seem to obsess of your nonsensical hadith then drawing your own conclusions as if you are an Islamic scholar that you are not. On one hand you say Allah has the capacity to forgive anything then also insist that hell will never be empty it seems?. My view is simple that some people will enter jannah directly where as others will first be punished before salvation is granted.
No the guilty will not be in hell forever rather for a period decided by Allah according to the severity of the sin.
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