Do Indians value Sufi music more than Pakistanis?

[IAJ]

I have read many many comments on YouTube about Sufi songs from Coke Studio Pakistan and I was surprised to see the comments from Indian users. It seems like they really enjoy old poetry of Bhulle Shah (ra), Sultan Bahu (ra), Waris Shah (ra) etc.
Of course there was only one country back then but is there any truth in this that more indian listen to sufi music than pakistanis or is it only me feeling that?

 

[Pakistanian]

No, for Pakistanis it's part of culture whereas Indians admire it as a foreign spectator. Kinda like how Western people really like Japanese anime, but it's purely japanese art so they don't have to brag about it as much.

 

[enkidu_]

1) Indians are 1.3 billions (1.1 billion more than Pak), so you have more Sufi listeners as much as more trolls, etc.

2) 98% or so not being Punjabis I wonder how much they can enjoy the poetry of Bulleh Shah and others ? Perhaps the music, but not the lyrics in themselves.

3) It was never "one country" (in the sense of modern nation-State), please do study history, there was the British Raj, before there was the Mughal Empire, etc

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yeah i think so to.

I am a big fan of NFAK and Sufi music and surprisingly quite a few of the comments on youtube videos are from Indians and most of the time they understand the true essence of the song.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yeah i think so to.

I am a big fan of NFAK and Sufi music and surprisingly quite a few of the comments on youtube videos are from Indians and most of the time they understand the true essence of the song.

they have 6 times the population of pakistan, proportionally i don't think they value it any more than pakistanis.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

they have 6 times the population of pakistan,

Yep thats one reason too.

I personally think Pakistanis need to start focusing more on sufi stuff and teachings of sufi saints like Rumi, Baba Bulleh Shah etc should be made part of curriculum. I consider Edhi sahab as sufi saint too. Edhism should be part of curriculum. Here was a saint who lived and breathed among us and people will relate with him.

Sufism = love and it is one way our youth will be attracted towards peach & love and not what likes of Khadim Rizvi and co teach.

 

[ElRaja]

its cos the internet is dumb and if a pakistani comments on an indian video and writes love from pakistan, or an indian comments on a pakistani video and writes love from india it gets a tonne of likes so people write this stuff regardless to likebait

close second is love from indian occupied kashmir, which is ironic.

but i think it has more to do with comments section of youtube videos being full off idiots.

irl far more pakistan people are aware of sufi music, poetry, qawali than indians (in the uk) in my experience.

 

[Sachin136]

Yeah i think so to.

I am a big fan of NFAK and Sufi music and surprisingly quite a few of the comments on youtube videos are from Indians and most of the time they understand the true essence of the song.

With sites like rekhta (and others which provide full translations for many qawallis), it is easy for Hindi speakers to understand most of it.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

its cos the internet is dumb and if a pakistani comments on an indian video and writes love from pakistan, or an indian comments on a pakistani video and writes love from india it gets a tonne of likes so people write this stuff regardless to likebait

close second is love from indian occupied kashmir, which is ironic.

but i think it has more to do with comments section of youtube videos being full off idiots.

irl far more pakistan people are aware of sufi music, poetry, qawali than indians (in the uk) in my experience.

Should make life easy for anyone trying to find reason or a narrative on the internet.

 

[Sidilicious]

No, for Pakistanis it's part of culture whereas Indians admire it as a foreign spectator. Kinda like how Western people really like Japanese anime, but it's purely japanese art so they don't have to brag about it as much.

Sufi music is as much part of Indian culture as it is Pakistani culture. Whatever was part of the pre-partition India, is also part of the current Indian culture, especially given 200 mn muslims in India.

 

[Sidilicious]

its cos the internet is dumb and if a pakistani comments on an indian video and writes love from pakistan, or an indian comments on a pakistani video and writes love from india it gets a tonne of likes so people write this stuff regardless to likebait

close second is love from indian occupied kashmir, which is ironic.

but i think it has more to do with comments section of youtube videos being full off idiots.

irl far more pakistan people are aware of sufi music, poetry, qawali than indians (in the uk) in my experience.

Thats because British Indians are not Indians. Their cultures diverged once they left India. Sufi music is part of the national culture and not local culture (except in UP or Delhi).

When someone is born abroad albeit to Indian parents, they will follow the local culture, because thats the closes part of the culture. The national culture is forgotten because a) they dont live int he country, b) the national culture is British.

So apples and oranges, my friend.

 

[Pakistanian]

Sufi music is as much part of Indian culture as it is Pakistani culture. Whatever was part of the pre-partition India, is also part of the current Indian culture, especially given 200 mn muslims in India.

no, it's just invader culture. India will eventually have to ban sufi music just like they're changing the names of muslim named cities and streets in india. Sufi music is a product of muslim invasions and india would be better off without it.

 

[Sidilicious]

no, it's just invader culture. India will eventually have to ban sufi music just like they're changing the names of muslim named cities and streets in india. Sufi music is a product of muslim invasions and india would be better off without it.

There is no invader culture. The muslim culture was well amalgamated within the Indian culture which is called the Hindustani culture, and whatever a particular government might claim doesnt make it the truth.

Its funny to hear such nonsense from foreigners who have never lived in India.

 

[Pakistanian]

There is no invader culture. The muslim culture was well amalgamated within the Indian culture which is called the Hindustani culture, and whatever a particular government might claim doesnt make it the truth.

Its funny to hear such nonsense from foreigners who have never lived in India.

India is changing and becoming more nativist, invader muslim culture isn't welcome there anymore and we should respect cause that's what indians have chosen.

 

[Sidilicious]

India is changing and becoming more nativist, invader muslim culture isn't welcome there anymore and we should respect cause that's what indians have chosen.

India is not a homogenous entity. And one government cannot change a culture formed over hundreds of years. And with 200 million muslims, at least for a good 30% who are form UP and Bihar, and for whom Sufi music is part of their culture. So Sufi music is part of Indian culture.

Just to give you the clear picture, nowadays, in India, Sufi music is not limited to Muslims. There are famous Hindu Sufi musicians in India - Jagjit Singh and Wadali brothers, - from the top of my head. This shows how ingrained Sufi music is in India.

 

[Pakistanian]

India is not a homogenous entity. And one government cannot change a culture formed over hundreds of years. And with 200 million muslims, at least for a good 30% who are form UP and Bihar, and for whom Sufi music is part of their culture. So Sufi music is part of Indian culture.

Just to give you the clear picture, nowadays, in India, Sufi music is not limited to Muslims. There are famous Hindu Sufi musicians in India - Jagjit Singh and Wadali brothers, - from the top of my head. This shows how ingrained Sufi music is in India.

well times are changing, all of that will gradually be gone and India will move forward with it's rich native culture.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indians, especially the elite and the hindu hating class, love the culture of their rulers, whether it is the caucasian christian colonialists or the majestic muslim mughals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thats because British Indians are not Indians. Their cultures diverged once they left India. Sufi music is part of the national culture and not local culture (except in UP or Delhi).

When someone is born abroad albeit to Indian parents, they will follow the local culture, because thats the closes part of the culture. The national culture is forgotten because a) they dont live int he country, b) the national culture is British.

So apples and oranges, my friend.

You should tell that to the Indians who live here, maybe then we wouldn't have them packing out British cinemas to watch Bollywood nonsense, or Wembley stadium to welcome Hindu supremacist PMs.

 

[enkidu_]

Indians, especially the elite and the hindu hating class, love the culture of their rulers, whether it is the caucasian christian colonialists or the majestic muslim mughals.

The "Hindu loving class" has an affection for the Aryans or at least their legacy so it's the same at the end.

 

[Sidilicious]

You should tell that to the Indians who live here, maybe then we wouldn't have them packing out British cinemas to watch Bollywood nonsense, or Wembley stadium to welcome Hindu supremacist PMs.

I have lived in the UK for a significant part of my life and know how it works there. Bollywood is not highbrow culture and also ingrained in the local culture. In India, Sufi music is part of the hindustani classical music culture and thus part of the highbrow culture (to an extent). There isn't such a marked difference between highbrow and lowbrow culture in India as it is in the UK. For my parents generation hindustani classic music was part of their daily culture. Its changing though. But still, Sufi music is still part of the Indian national culture.

 

[Itachi]

I have read many many comments on YouTube about Sufi songs from Coke Studio Pakistan and I was surprised to see the comments from Indian users. It seems like they really enjoy old poetry of Bhulle Shah (ra), Sultan Bahu (ra), Waris Shah (ra) etc.
Of course there was only one country back then but is there any truth in this that more indian listen to sufi music than pakistanis or is it only me feeling that?

Music, poetry goes beyond boundary of nations. That's one of the prime aspect of these abstract arts. Don't be surprised. If there's quality, there will be appreciation from every where.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The "Hindu loving class" has an affection for the Aryans or at least their legacy so it's the same at the end.

It is not. present day pakistanis having affection for arab and turkish invaders and those having affection for the british rule, is not the same at the end.

 

[PakLFC]

As India is majority non Muslim it appears that way when they take a liking to Sufi Music. Yes, overall they are greater fans of it it seems.

 

[BlackShadow]

Indians in general are more appreciative of art and music, Sufi music is no exception.

 

[Brahmarshi]

I have read many many comments on YouTube about Sufi songs from Coke Studio Pakistan and I was surprised to see the comments from Indian users. It seems like they really enjoy old poetry of Bhulle Shah (ra), Sultan Bahu (ra), Waris Shah (ra) etc.
Of course there was only one country back then but is there any truth in this that more indian listen to sufi music than pakistanis or is it only me feeling that?

depends on what kind of Indians you are talking about.

Gujaratis, Marathis, Rajasthanis, South Indians etc we have our own distinct Cultures, Languages etc so we are not as Urdufied as Hindispeaking people from say UP and MP.

I live in Western Gujarat and 99% people around me dont even know what Sufism even is.

 

[Brahmarshi]

Only sufi song tajdar e haram was famous here.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I live in Western Gujarat and 99% people around me dont even know what Sufism even is.

Sufism is what you get when you mix Hinduism with Islam.

 

[Mages]

Sufism is what you get when you mix Hinduism with Islam.

Sufism & sufi poetry is full of bid'ah & shirk.Not to mention music is haram too.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/4983/are-the-sufi-shaykhs-really-in-contact-with-allaah

Sufi singers don't have problem performing songs praising even Hindu Gods.
Why wouldn't an Indian value Sufi music much then?