Do Pakistanis realise the worth of Mohammad Hafeez?

[maxamax]

I've seen many people criticizing Hafeez after finding his action illegal. The politics behind this another thing, but I've realized that many people don't realize his worth as an all-rounder.

He is among few (if not only) all-rounder who can bowl decent tight line (like Imad Wasim) while strike hard right away coming at 6 (bit like Afridi/Umar Akmal). Many people would say that Malik bats better, but Malik hasn't scored much against quality attacks. Hafeez hasn't be that consistent at #6 but he has scored few valuable knocks against quality teams (last being against India).

Instead of criticizing him, accept his role as a bang-bang player at 6. He is close to horrible as a proper batsman, but not as a quick-hitter, something that we are not able to find in our domestic circuit for long (NO, Imad an Shahdab are NOT genuine strikers and would be exposed against better teams if they are required to do so).

 

[za1ntc]

I've seen many people criticizing Hafeez after finding his action illegal. The politics behind this another thing, but I've realized that many people don't realize his worth as an all-rounder.

He is among few (if not only) all-rounder who can bowl decent tight line (like Imad Wasim) while strike hard right away coming at 6 (bit like Afridi/Umar Akmal). Many people would say that Malik bats better, but Malik hasn't scored much against quality attacks. Hafeez hasn't be that consistent at #6 but he has scored few valuable knocks against quality teams (last being against India).

Instead of criticizing him, accept his role as a bang-bang player at 6. He is close to horrible as a proper batsman, but not as a quick-hitter, something that we are not able to find in our domestic circuit for long (NO, Imad an Shahdab are NOT genuine strikers and would be exposed against better teams if they are required to do so).

Two points, if these were not TRUE then your statement would make a lot of sense.

Point Alpha- His presence is blocking the selection of a better player in Haris Sohail.

Point Bravo- He Doesn't bat at 6.

I could go on...

 

[maxamax]

Two points, if these were not TRUE then your statement would make a lot of sense.

Point Alpha- His presence is blocking the selection of a better player in Haris Sohail.

Point Bravo- He Doesn't bat at 6.

I could go on...

Alpha: Haris is a proper batsman, not a quickie-cameo player (IF HE EVER STAYS INJURY-FREE). He is supposed to come BEFORE Hafeez and Sarfraz.

Bravo: It was approximated 6, he should be batting for Pakistan in last 5-10 overs instead of SLUGGISH Imad and Sarfraz and Softie Shahdab.

 

[za1ntc]

Alpha: Haris is a proper batsman, not a quickie-cameo player (IF HE EVER STAYS INJURY-FREE). He is supposed to come BEFORE Hafeez and Sarfraz.

Bravo: It was approximated 6, he should be batting for Pakistan in last 5-10 overs instead of SLUGGISH Imad and Sarfraz and Softie Shahdab.

He is taking the spot of a proper batsmen, not a quickie-cameo player, MALIK has that spot covered, and he's performing well for now and isn't taking somebody else's spot. Just because you believe he will do better in another position doesn't mean it is reality.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I've seen many people criticizing Hafeez after finding his action illegal. The politics behind this another thing, but I've realized that many people don't realize his worth as an all-rounder.

He is among few (if not only) all-rounder who can bowl decent tight line (like Imad Wasim) while strike hard right away coming at 6 (bit like Afridi/Umar Akmal). Many people would say that Malik bats better, but Malik hasn't scored much against quality attacks. Hafeez hasn't be that consistent at #6 but he has scored few valuable knocks against quality teams (last being against India).

Instead of criticizing him, accept his role as a bang-bang player at 6. He is close to horrible as a proper batsman, but not as a quick-hitter, something that we are not able to find in our domestic circuit for long (NO, Imad an Shahdab are NOT genuine strikers and would be exposed against better teams if they are required to do so).

He has been since his action was first called an OVERATED BOWLER

Professor bowled 24 overs in the entire champions trophy, took one wicket at 5 runs an over. That is nothing irreplcable especially considering the next world cup is in England as well.

You say drop down to 6 but what evidence is it that his ego will allow it?

Even then he has been pitful with the bat since his comeback, I called it that time that the 50 vs India would haunt us for a long time

 

[Savak]

The value of Hafeez's 10 guaranteed economical overs in ODI Cricket and 4 guaranteed economical overs in T-20 Cricket with a bonus wicket or two is completely underestimated. People do not appreciate how much pressure he allows the other bowlers in the line up to exert. His bowling is a must for our ODI and T-20 team.

He is also one of the quicker batsmen in our team as well.

 

[Khan12]

Yes a shamefull cheater.

 

[Hasan123]

He is 37 years of age. I repeat 37 years of age, how many more years do we need to be stuck with this average player who bashes minnows? Give someone like Talat,Harris Sohail, or Zeeshan Malik as many games as Hafeez I'm sure they'll match or better this dishonest chuckers stats with the bat.

 

[troodon]

Can't understand the hate for Hafeez. He was and is a Gun ODI bowler who bowled economically and coul dpick out lefties like nobdy.

He also could play nice cameo knocks coming down the order. Opening was not his forte.

Overall, a very useful player. He could balance out Pak ODI unit without compromising much on batting or bowling. He is much better than Imad Wasim.

 

[Syed1]

His bowling will definitely missed. His new found aggression in the middle order was also coming in handy when the likes of Bobby were tuk tuking away.

Anyway this might be final nail in Prof's career. He should announce retirement.

 

[maxamax]

He is taking the spot of a proper batsmen, not a quickie-cameo player, MALIK has that spot covered, and he's performing well for now and isn't taking somebody else's spot. Just because you believe he will do better in another position doesn't mean it is reality.

Thats due to our 90s mentality that we have fixed orders for players and senior will occupy the soft spots.

Second, Malik is yet to play cameos against better teams while Hafeez already has played few.

He has been since his action was first called an OVERATED BOWLER

Professor bowled 24 overs in the entire champions trophy, took one wicket at 5 runs an over. That is nothing irreplcable especially considering the next world cup is in England as well.

You say drop down to 6 but what evidence is it that his ego will allow it?

Even then he has been pitful with the bat since his comeback, I called it that time that the 50 vs India would haunt us for a long time

I am not saying that he's gold with ball. But he's much better than Imad and Malik bowling-wise and much more economical than Shahdab. Its his power-batting that is a rare thing in Pak XI.

Yes a shamefull cheater.

Murli used to do this clearly. Not going into politics. Just know that cheating >> fixing.

He is 37 years of age. I repeat 37 years of age, how many more years do we need to be stuck with this average player who bashes minnows? Give someone like Talat,Harris Sohail, or Zeeshan Malik as many games as Hafeez I'm sure they'll match or better this dishonest chuckers stats with the bat.

You already got Shahdab, Hasan, Ruman etc. You do need few senior hands there. I am not saying that Talat and Zeeshan are potentially worse options, but why risking a settled player and aspect or player two years before 2019 world cup?

Only 2 years, thats it. And that also if he stays in form for that period.

 

[todfod 11]

I've seen many people criticizing Hafeez after finding his action illegal. The politics behind this another thing, but I've realized that many people don't realize his worth as an all-rounder.

He is among few (if not only) all-rounder who can bowl decent tight line (like Imad Wasim) while strike hard right away coming at 6 (bit like Afridi/Umar Akmal). Many people would say that Malik bats better, but Malik hasn't scored much against quality attacks. Hafeez hasn't be that consistent at #6 but he has scored few valuable knocks against quality teams (last being against India).

Instead of criticizing him, accept his role as a bang-bang player at 6. He is close to horrible as a proper batsman, but not as a quick-hitter, something that we are not able to find in our domestic circuit for long (NO, Imad an Shahdab are NOT genuine strikers and would be exposed against better teams if they are required to do so).

We dont need him.. he batted selfishly all through his career when pakistan needed him to bat freely and score freely but now when he 37 and have realised that he will be kicked out he has started to score quick runs thats is quick 30 40. Umer akmal can do this as well.
Also we dont need a lower order hitter pak team has faheem ashraf and one more all arounder can fitted in like sohail or talat.
For Imad I dont even know wby he gets selected??

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Two points, if these were not TRUE then your statement would make a lot of sense.

Point Alpha- His presence is blocking the selection of a better player in Haris Sohail.

Point Bravo- He Doesn't bat at 6.

I could go on...

How he is blocking the selection of Harris?
Second why would not he bat at 6? If team management does not want him to bat at 6 then why we are complaining.

 

[ads101]

He was valuable before he got called, arguably the most valuable in our team at that point. He then for a while improved as a batsman that he held down a place on merit.

Now he's not really doing much as a batsman or a bowler. Maybe his current batting stats wise for this year isn't bad when you look at them, but it doesn't tell the full story. He seems increasingly poor starting, hardly any innings are fluid (except CT final which was a very good innings). And more importantly he's falling behind his peers. The weakest one in the line up from the specialist/top 6 batsmen. Which means he next in line to get cut.

 

[Rana]

When I read stuff like "he should retire", it's quite silly. His batting approach has improved a lot and he can play at a run a ball. He is a good batsman, should really just focus on his batting

 

[ads101]

Thats due to our 90s mentality that we have fixed orders for players and senior will occupy the soft spots.

Second, Malik is yet to play cameos against better teams while Hafeez already has played few.

I am not saying that he's gold with ball. But he's much better than Imad and Malik bowling-wise and much more economical than Shahdab. Its his power-batting that is a rare thing in Pak XI.

Murli used to do this clearly. Not going into politics. Just know that cheating >> fixing.

You already got Shahdab, Hasan, Ruman etc. You do need few senior hands there. I am not saying that Talat and Zeeshan are potentially worse options, but why risking a settled player and aspect or player two years before 2019 world cup?

Only 2 years, thats it. And that also if he stays in form for that period.

Nothing wrong with playing seniors if they're performing. If anything would have been nice if there were more performing seniors, only performing senior is Malik, most teams have more than 1.

Bowling isn't as good anymore, but was still useful for a few overs even with the legal round arm action (though not 10 reliably). Though that's just part timer worth not allrounder.

Hafeez isn't a power hitter, he just had good timing and hit the ball cleanly on song. This ability seems to have got worse recently, CT final is the only time recently he's looked really good.

Malik's performance is higher than Hafeez despite the CT failure. Would have been nice if Malik performed in CT, but he did do stuff against Aus, and more importantly looks in form and settled at the crease unlike Hafeez does. Thus higher chance of him scoring. Malik has issues against pace it's clear especially now, and probably down the order helps him a bit. Good against spin as ever though.

We're not risking much when most of our batting order is established already. Fakhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Malik already hold down spots. Imam's just performed well and probably deserves a run at opening. Then you've got Haris who isn't totally inexperienced in international cricket either. And at the spot at 7 as an allrounder, you've got Imad already established, but you could go for Fahim instead.

Atm it's quite easy to switch Hafeez for Haris.

 

[waleed88]

I've seen many people criticizing Hafeez after finding his action illegal. The politics behind this another thing, but I've realized that many people don't realize his worth as an all-rounder.

He is among few (if not only) all-rounder who can bowl decent tight line (like Imad Wasim) while strike hard right away coming at 6 (bit like Afridi/Umar Akmal). Many people would say that Malik bats better, but Malik hasn't scored much against quality attacks. Hafeez hasn't be that consistent at #6 but he has scored few valuable knocks against quality teams (last being against India).

Instead of criticizing him, accept his role as a bang-bang player at 6. He is close to horrible as a proper batsman, but not as a quick-hitter, something that we are not able to find in our domestic circuit for long (NO, Imad an Shahdab are NOT genuine strikers and would be exposed against better teams if they are required to do so).

Yes, however this is 2017, he is 37 years old with no forseeable future in LOIs after his ban. He has played more than 15 years. We are on a high wave of youngsters coming in from PSL, the talent pool is getting better and no point renounce them. Hafeez has served Pakistan well, has many moments to savor after performing like that in the CT final, had many MOTM performances. He is on a decline as you saw against Srilanka. Without his bowling he serves no purpose.

 

[KyoOne]

He's a top bowler, and despite his age can still make the squad (if not the team) with a remodelled action.

His batting is a bonus

 

[static]

He's a top bowler, and despite his age can still make the squad (if not the team) with a remodelled action.

His batting is a bonus

He's not a top bowler with a remodelled action. He's only a top bowler if he chucks, and at that point he isn't really a bowler

 

[KyoOne]

He's not a top bowler with a remodelled action. He's only a top bowler if he chucks, and at that point he isn't really a bowler

He bowled with a round-arm action in games after being reported, 5 games against Sri Lanka.

Was equally good as a bowler

 

[static]

He bowled with a round-arm action in games after being reported, 5 games against Sri Lanka.

Was equally good as a bowler

If he's so good why doesn't he just stop chucking?

 

[KyoOne]

If he's so good why doesn't he just stop chucking?

He had, but old habits/muscle memory is difficult to go away.

Will be obviously more cautious to not resort to old action in future

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Second, Malik is yet to play cameos against better teams while Hafeez already has played few.


I am not saying that he's gold with ball. But he's much better than Imad and Malik bowling-wise and much more economical than Shahdab. Its his power-batting that is a rare thing in Pak XI.


You already got Shahdab, Hasan, Ruman etc. You do need few senior hands there. I am not saying that Talat and Zeeshan are potentially worse options, but why risking a settled player and aspect or player two years before 2019 world cup?

1. Name a team other than India that Professor has played a good cameo against in recent years? Please do not say England, that game was long settled before Professor came in. He is far from a power batsmen

2. Since 2015 Professor has 23 times and taken 14 wickets at an average of 53. 9 of this wickets were against SL, after which both series his action was called. Yes, his economy has been great at 4.48 however its because he is CHUCKING IT . His pause is coming back and he gets the speed he does so late but throwing the ball. He is not worth 7 economical overs a match. If we do not get over him now when will we?

3. Your age case makes no sense what so ever. Cant give youngsters a chance 2 years before a world cup? I guess Faheem, Shadab, Hasan, Ruman and Fahkar should never played the CT then.

You need a mixture of seniors - that's what Malik and Sarfraz are for, Amir will be there as well, further the rest of the lot who won the CT won't be kids anymore. I don't mean this personally but this is such a silly silly argument. Experience is not worth it for expereince alone, it has to be backed up by performance.

This is exactly what I mean about how Pakistan fans are afflicted by Stockholm Syndrome. We have been held hostage by non-performing senior cricketers for years and years. Now there is one left and so much of the fanbase is having difficulties letting go despite his numerous flaws.

 

[shady]

Mediocre batsmen, and his only use in bowling is being economical, which Imad does fine enough. We'll be better served by a real batsmen at 4 like Haris.

 

[Savak]

The professor must be backed

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Has Mohammad Hafeez over achieved as a player?

Title is simple and clear.
He was a chucker from 1st day Had hafeez would been banned back in 2003 he wouldn't had played so many matches.
He was never an outstanding prospect with the bat either.
After 2010 he played mostly in sub-continent or UAE
His chucking abilities and cheap performances against weaker oppositions had earned him permanent place in the team.
(Sorry for grammatical mistakes)

 

[Ab Fan]

Thanks to SC pitches.

 

[Majid Khan]

I think you mean underachieved, from the first moment I saw him batting - my gut feeling was that Brian Lara's record score of 400 was in real danger, as was Bradman's record number of triple tons... So I'm just a little disappointed as you can imagine with the results 15 years later.

 

[Suleiman]

No. He has been helped so much by management and selection committees. If Haris Sohail or Fawad Alam got this much backing, who knows where they might be, especially the former.

Watch his videos from early 2000s, gets owned almost over time by big opposition a lot like today.

Made a living out of bashing WI, Sri Lanka, oh and Sri Lanka.

Even during periods he was on song, whenever we'd have to face a tough opponent he'd go right back in his shell. Case in point, SA series in 2013 when he was coming from a good tour in India.