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Do we really need Shoaib Malik and Hassan Ali for the Bangladesh tour?

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Why is Shoaib Malik selected again for the Bangladesh T20s?

For God’s sake! Why is he selected to represent Pakistan again? When will we ever move on from him and Hafeez? The guy stands no chance against quality pace but we are still clinging on to him because we are afraid of a whitewash in Bangladesh??
 
Pakistan should experiment with some young guys. Bangladesh are unlikely to pose much threat to Pakistan in T20.

Shoaib Malik should retire now.
 
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Seems as if Haider Ali is the latest player we will waste to please a 40 year old!:maqsood
 
They are grooming him for the next WC he will leave on a high with a 50 and a win for Pakistan in the final.

:hafeez
 
Seriously I can't understand this. Can we get away from these 2 now .next WC is in Australia not Bangladesh. Move on please
 
This guy is like a leech. He just won't retire. He has been playing since the 1990s. He should retire now ***.
 
All other potential middle order batsmen will continue to fail or not perform regularly as long as they have the stress of knowing a couple of failures would mean that Pakistan will resort to bringing Hafeez or Malik back in the side.

This is the problem that will not be addressed until Malik and Hafeez retire, and Pakistan cannot select them just like they have not selected Amir
 
Senior

personally i think it should be Hafeez over Malik
but both should be gone

need move on
yes they do win a few matches against teams that we shouldn't be losing to
 
The only reason I could see is that the conditions would favour Malik.

With that being said, I would have liked to see this Pakistan team plan and work towards the next T20WC in Australia, where Hafeez and Malik would be awful.
 
TeymurBlake said:
The only reason I could see is that the conditions would favour Malik.

With that being said, I would have liked to see this Pakistan team plan and work towards the next T20WC in Australia, where Hafeez and Malik would be awful.
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So we will keep selecting Malik based on conditions? He is 42 man
 
Malik has been an average player for 20+ years. Unfortunately he will keep getting selected.

The next T20 WC next year is in Straya and he will be a big time failure there if he is selected, which at this point looks likely. Well done to him for hitting some Scottish nobodies, but when he comes up against good opposition in crunch matches, he fails more often than not.
 
Seems to be Babar liking for seniors will keep on costing Pakistan heavily. Only a blind dodo will think of having malik anywhere outside asia.
 
Pakistan always holds itself back, corruption, seniority, blaming India, Israel etc, with that mindset the country will never become a first world country, neither will the sport achieve the level of ruthlessness that Aussies, England or India possess, we will always be an unpredictable and mercurial side, at least neutrals will always enjoy watching us.

Its the sad fact, but we've got to somewhat live with it and hope that the passion and natural talent of our players pulls us over the line.

Malik has always crapped the outside the subcontinent as well as fast pace bowling, but he will play and cost us a valuable position, also who knows how long Hafeez can still play for, age will start catching up to him.
 
fight_club said:
Seems to be Babar liking for seniors will keep on costing Pakistan heavily. Only a blind dodo will think of having malik anywhere outside asia.
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I think it was Mickey Arthur who started this shift away from seniors, Babar grew up in that setup, thankfully he doesn't think like Misbah-ul-Haq, otherwise we'd have half a dozen uncles in the team.
 
I can visualise Malik and Hafeez in Melbourne.
Who knows, Malik may even be captain again.
Will be good practice for both off them leading up to the 2045 World Cup
 
I always stated that he should be playing in asain conditions but due to the world cup being in Australia he should not have been selected
 
Rana said:
For God’s sake! Why is he selected to represent Pakistan again? When will we ever move on from him and Hafeez? The guy stands no chance against quality pace but we are still clinging on to him because we are afraid of a whitewash in Bangladesh??
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Hafeez wanted to give a chance to youngsters so Wasim replaced him with another youngster iftikhar...
 
Title says it all. Hasan was never a good T20 bowler and Malik/Hafeez will not be needed in next T20 because both failed to prove once again in big matches. we have 11 months to go. Why not try to find some proper players. Australia and NZ lost to Bangladesh by 4-1 and 3-2 now both team are in final.
Also, do we really need another Misqar like Saqlain as coach who made same mistakes 8 matches in a row and cost the semi?
Is winning against Bangladesh really matter?
Your opinion please!!!!
 
Would you want to play youngster on pitches that have 0% bounce and 100% dry as fudge, with footmarks all around the wickets and possibly some magnets under ground to induce more spin?

After the hammering in WT20, BCB will be in panic mode. If they win this series they know it’ll all be forgotten about. This pitch will probably be just as worse as the pitches they had for Aus and NZ.

So, why play youngsters on those pitches and then have them dropped for the next 2 years.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Would you want to play youngster on pitches that have 0% bounce and 100% dry as fudge, with footmarks all around the wickets and possibly some magnets under ground to induce more spin?

After the hammering in WT20, BCB will be in panic mode. If they win this series they know it’ll all be forgotten about. This pitch will probably be just as worse as the pitches they had for Aus and NZ.

So, why play youngsters on those pitches and then have them dropped for the next 2 years.
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We really need to be preparing everything for the world t20 in Australia next year. Now is the time to rest Hassan Ali and let him discover himself again. Finding form against Bangladesh does not mean he will start performing against aus England and the rest. Test that bloody bench out. Give Haider Ali and wasim jr a go. Let them get a few games under their belt. If they succeed, get Malik and hafeez gone. The World Cup will come round again in no time. Let fakhar open the innings with Rizwan. I’m proud we did well and got to the semis but we all want to see them lift the trophy by any means necessary. Australian conditions will be alien to these players. The board needs to organise a few tours so they can get used to playing on some fast bouncy wickets. We hope and pray this team succeeds InshaAllah.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Would you want to play youngster on pitches that have 0% bounce and 100% dry as fudge, with footmarks all around the wickets and possibly some magnets under ground to induce more spin?

After the hammering in WT20, BCB will be in panic mode. If they win this series they know it’ll all be forgotten about. This pitch will probably be just as worse as the pitches they had for Aus and NZ.

So, why play youngsters on those pitches and then have them dropped for the next 2 years.
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What future do Malik, Hasan, Sarfraz have for Pakistan team. Why not test 2-3 new players. We will not achieve anything by winning against Bangladesh and cover the World Cup failure.
 
Hafeez is not playing so I have no problem with Maliks Inclusion, had we been going South Africa next week rather than Bangladesh then yes I would have preferred someone else instead of Malik but for Bangladesh tour he is fine. But yes Dahani could do with a run of games to see what he has to offer.
 
Man ridiculous how posters are bashing Hasan Ali.


he was a t20 psl find. He is a good bowler. You dont just discard bowlers after a bad outing you work with them.
 
Bro these posters aside some people on Twitter are saying his a Shia and his married a Indian. The cricket fraternity really has lost it. These personal attacks are out of order
 
Bangladeshi pitches are unlikely to be ideal for Hasan Ali. Also, he seems out of form.

I think he should be dropped for a while.
 
Pakistan need to prepare for WC22, Malik or hafeez shouldnt be in the plans.

Hasan should play to get his confidence back, he is broken at the moment
 
Shahzad1985 said:
Bro these posters aside some people on Twitter are saying his a Shia and his married a Indian. The cricket fraternity really has lost it. These personal attacks are out of order
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I'm blaming Hasan. All I am saying if certain players failed the test replace them with new one. No point to carry players who fail in crucial stage.
 
Major said:
Man ridiculous how posters are bashing Hasan Ali.


he was a t20 psl find. He is a good bowler. You dont just discard bowlers after a bad outing you work with them.
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I'm not bashing Hasan Ali. I am saying he is not a T20 bowler plus Malik is a proven failure in big matches along with Hafeez. Saqlain is not any better than Misbah if not worse. Don't think even Misbah would select a player who failed 7 matches in a row for semi. We should try Nawaz for Afghanistan, Scotland and Namibia.
 
BD tour will have no bearing on the next T20 wc preparations so ideally a spin heavy attack take Chacha Itfi instead of Hafeez , I would rest SSA & Rauf along with Imad
 
No point playing Malik and Hafeez anymore....it would be suicidal to take them to Australia
 
in_cutter said:
So we will keep selecting Malik based on conditions? He is 42 man
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He shouldn't be playing cricket whatsoever, but he is a good player of spin, so for that reason they kept him in the team. I may not agree with it, but that seems to be the reason.
 
I have supported Shoaib Malik all along - but I guess, this is now a stretch.

He should retire from the national duty and play in any T20 leagues he wishes to.

We need to make space for new generation in the national squad.
 
Malik and Hafeez wont retire from T20s till after the next World Cup.

Hafeez still hasnt officially retired from ODIs...lol.
 
I was thinking the same, didn't Malik and Hafeez said they will retire after this WC?

I also doubt how effective they will be in Australia. This world cup was more suited for them but may be not next year.
 
....but i think people are closing in:
We can easily go for this set up in T20s negating their need.

Babar
Riz
Fakhar
Ifti
Haider
Asif
Imad
plus 4 bowlers

OR

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Riz
Ifti
Asif
Imad
plus 4 bowlers
 
As long as he's fit there's nothing wrong with selecting him. He's one of the fittest players in the team as he has shown yesterday.

And there's no one in the current team who can play spin better than him and the pitches in Bangladesh will be spin friendly. So there's no harm in selecting him for this tour.
 
Now is the time to introduce young batsman because we have a bit of confidence and more importantly we have Babar and Riz to win the games we should win.
 
transparent opacity said:
As long as he's fit there's nothing wrong with selecting him. He's one of the fittest players in the team as he has shown yesterday.

And there's no one in the current team who can play spin better than him and the pitches in Bangladesh will be spin friendly. So there's no harm in selecting him for this tour.
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And you think that all we should think about is beating BD? Why not be positive and put the responsibility on the younger players, if things don't go well, you try another bunch.
 
Bewal Express said:
And you think that all we should think about is beating BD? Why not be positive and put the responsibility on the younger players, if things don't go well, you try another bunch.
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Yes, Pakistan should definitely try a new bunch of players but not at the expense of getting humiliated by Bangladesh. There should always be a mixture of young and experienced players

Let the team be consistent first then they can try new combinations.
 
transparent opacity said:
Yes, Pakistan should definitely try a new bunch of players but not at the expense of getting humiliated by Bangladesh. There should always be a mixture of young and experienced players

Let the team be consistent first then they can try new combinations.
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Generally we win when Babar and Riz score, we lose when they don't score.
 
Can't comprehend why the selectors would select players in white ball cricket who are 35+ .

I can understand in test cricket if a player is of age and high calibre and proper atg stats In domestic 4 day cricket Like misbah fawad or younis khan.

But we really need to invest in a younger squad especially the fast bowlers now waqar has got shot
 
Giannis said:
I get that y'all don't like him but he's 39, not even 40 yet
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Why not leave on a high note? At 39, sooner than later he will start to deteriorate and will face the classic humiliation. Why wait when writing on the wall is clear, and we all know what's coming for him, if he doesn't take a mature and wise decision?

Kehtay haina, isko izzat raas nahi? He will be shooting himself in the foot for playing another year or so.

Plus, as I noted, I have ALWAYS been his supporter, but every good thing has to come to an end. And it's time.
we need to make space, and make sure the new youngsters develop and grow in the national team. You got Haider, Nawaz, Sohaib etc.

They need to be run through mill to get battled hardened.
 
I thought he did enough at the T20 World Cup to warrant selection for the Bangladesh T20Is.

I guess he and the selectors have one eye on the next T20 World Cup.
 
I think Shoaib was running around fielding better than the youngsters... I think he should stay for next world cup but I am afraid its time for the professer to do a actual PHD he was poor.
 
The PCB is building good relations with other boards. I believe that they are sending a 'full strength' team with known players to show some respect and solidarity to the BCB.
 
JaDed said:
I was obviously joking, lol.
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They didn't understand your joke hahahaha but in all seriousness we love shoaib Malik and his efforts for Pakistan cricket but he should retire now. Maybe still work with pcb in some other roles but should not be playing for national team anymore
 
Major said:
Man ridiculous how posters are bashing Hasan Ali.


he was a t20 psl find. He is a good bowler. You dont just discard bowlers after a bad outing you work with them.
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He's injuried or out of form he should be rested for the whole tour let him recover.
 
I think Hassan Ali should be rested for whole tour.ideally malik shouldn't be in the squad but it's due to it being in Bangladesh that they kept him in the squad.
 
Hasan needs a kick up his back side to get the best out of him. He always comes back better after getting dropped.
 
Local.Dada said:
Wait Malik hasn’t retired yet :))
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It's mind boggling he started his career when I was in school.

And now I'm a married man with kids and a receding hairline and a few grey hairs on the chin and this malik is still in the team
 
Major said:
Man ridiculous how posters are bashing Hasan Ali.


he was a t20 psl find. He is a good bowler. You dont just discard bowlers after a bad outing you work with them.
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This needs to stop. He may be a good bowler but he needs to be dropped to sort out his issues. We stuck with him the entire worldcup despite him being very ordinary and look what happened.

Bring in guys who are in form.
 
Thought it would be an ideal chance to try some new faces. Instead we prefer 40 year olds, great!:facepalm:
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I have supported Shoaib Malik all along - but I guess, this is now a stretch.

He should retire from the national duty and play in any T20 leagues he wishes to.

We need to make space for new generation in the national squad.
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Colorblind Genius said:
Why not leave on a high note? At 39, sooner than later he will start to deteriorate and will face the classic humiliation. Why wait when writing on the wall is clear, and we all know what's coming for him, if he doesn't take a mature and wise decision?

Kehtay haina, isko izzat raas nahi? He will be shooting himself in the foot for playing another year or so.

Plus, as I noted, I have ALWAYS been his supporter, but every good thing has to come to an end. And it's time.
we need to make space, and make sure the new youngsters develop and grow in the national team. You got Haider, Nawaz, Sohaib etc.

They need to be run through mill to get battled hardened.
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Colorblind Genius said:
... till you are humiliated and kicked out leaving a dark stigma on your legacy?
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well ... lets hope today was not the start of this slippery slope for him.

I truly wish if Malik could leave on a high note. It's time for him!
 
Colorblind Genius said:
well ... lets hope today was not the start of this slippery slope for him.

I truly wish if Malik could leave on a high note. It's time for him!
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If he wanted to leave on a high he should have retired 12 years ago, before the opposition discovered his susceptibility to anything quicker them medium pace bowling...
 
Now that Malik had played this game, he will play all the way till the next WT20 for sure.
 
Varun said:
Now that Malik had played this game, he will play all the way till the next WT20 for sure.
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It wouldn't surprise me if we see him taking his guard at the CT in Pakistan and the various tournaments in India/Sri Lanka on the premise that wickets will be spinning and he is a must!
 
They are both vital cogs in the team and are pivotal to our success at the next T20 WC.
 
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