Does anyone feel that the newer crop of Indian cricketers indulges in needless aggression against other teams?

[Gullycricket]

Recent incidents, like Siraj's confrontation with Head and Jaiswal's mocking of Starc's bowling speed, raise concerns about a trend of forced aggression in Indian cricket. It seems that some players, including Pant and Kohli, are attempting to emulate the intense, strategic sledging tactics of past great Australian teams they grew up watching. However, these efforts often appear counterproductive, and I can't help but feel the Aussies must be laughing about it in the dressing rooms.

What do other posters think? Is the aggression genuine and a mental disintegration technique employed by the Indian team, or is it just a poor imitation of the past great Aussie teams, as most of the young Indian team is in awe of them?

 

[FearlessRoar]

When it starts to happen, it means they are overconfident.

Jaiswal already got a befitting reply in the 2nd Test from Starc

 

[RidiculousMan]

They're arrogant

 

[PAKFAN12]

I hope Pakistan player's can takes 50% agression of indian player's.

 

[Devadwal]

Recent incidents, like Siraj's confrontation with Head and Jaiswal's mocking of Starc's bowling speed, raise concerns about a trend of forced aggression in Indian cricket. It seems that some players, including Pant and Kohli, are attempting to emulate the intense, strategic sledging tactics of past great Australian teams they grew up watching. However, these efforts often appear counterproductive, and I can't help but feel the Aussies must be laughing about it in the dressing rooms.

What do other posters think? Is the aggression genuine and a mental disintegration technique employed by the Indian team, or is it just a poor imitation of the past great Aussie teams, as most of the young Indian team is in awe of them?

Do you even know who started this needless agression in the Perth test ? If not then start reading the news before making any judgement.

Indian current generation will know how to give it back if anyone start sledging against them .

 

[Gullycricket]

Do you even know who started this needless agression in the Perth test ? If not then start reading the news before making any judgement.

Indian current generation will know how to give it back if anyone start sledging against them .

Jaiswal has long way to go in international cricket. Sledging a legend like Starc may seem cool to garner headlines but it backfired in Adelaide.
Now Starc himself took wickets of Sachin Tendulkar in 2012-13 BGT but was respectful. I hope you get the point.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Aggression is very much part of sports but of course it needs be handled with care in order to avoid ugly incidents like the one we saw between Javed Miandad- Lillee and Pollard-Starc where someone could have been hurt on the field. There is also no place for racism in Cricket. I think at times a few beamers have been bowled in cricket that were definitely intentional but bowlers got away with a soft apology as it. Then you have these needless throws at the batters which are also in poor taste. Obnoxious behaviour like Ponting telling Srinath to buzz off when he asked if he’s alright after bowling a bouncer.

None of that is aggression in my book.
Aggression should be shown in your performance. If you have something to say to your opponent on the field you better be able to back it up with some very strong performance.

Wahab Riaz spell in WC quarterfinal spell is classic definition of aggression for me. No sledging but you could see the aggression in his run up, in his pace, the bouncers and overall attitude that day.

 

[Vikram1989]

Instead of hugging and laughing opposition players while they are loosing , everything else is fine for me.

 

[Devadwal]

Jaiswal has long way to go in international cricket. Sledging a legend like Starc may seem cool to garner headlines but it backfired in Adelaide.
Now Starc himself took wickets of Sachin Tendulkar in 2012-13 BGT but was respectful. I hope you get the point.

Again missed what was happened before Jaiswal sledging against Starc. First Starc said few Word's to debudent Harshit rana .

Jaiswal already won a test in australia in his first test match in australian soil.,which some of legend didn't win in india against india in the Entire careers .

 

[Bhaijaan]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Jaiswal’s comments to Starc. He didn’t sledge him. Just a cheeky taunt which is very much part of the game.

So what he got dismissed by Starc later. It’s part and parcel of the game. Starc is himself an ATG. There will be days Starc will be on top and vice versa. Give me more of such kids with high confidence.

 

[Devadwal]

Problem for Australia expert's, fan's and player's is that they think sledging and Agression is only their birth rights how can Indian do against them and this is the reason why they can't digest it.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Problem for Australia expert's, fan's and player's is that they think sledging and Agression is only their birth rights how can Indian do against them and this is the reason why they can't digest it.

Virat Kohli is immensely respected in Australia. Their media is extremely tough on aggressive opponent cricketers but they also respect you if you perform. On the contrary if you’re a timid performer in Australia nobody’s gonna rate you no matter how many runs you score elsewhere or how many wickets you take elsewhere.

 

[kingusama92]

Aggression is fine.

Jaiswal's taunt was fair, while Siraj's celebration seemed silly due to its timing.

However, there are two teams that I feel are truly silly when it comes to aggression: Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Too many of their players act like clowns when they have the upper hand. That's what I would define as needless more than what any other team does.

 

[MenInG]

It's a reflection of how they feel as a nation.

 

[kron]

Recent incidents, like Siraj's confrontation with Head and Jaiswal's mocking of Starc's bowling speed, raise concerns about a trend of forced aggression in Indian cricket. It seems that some players, including Pant and Kohli, are attempting to emulate the intense, strategic sledging tactics of past great Australian teams they grew up watching. However, these efforts often appear counterproductive, and I can't help but feel the Aussies must be laughing about it in the dressing rooms.

What do other posters think? Is the aggression genuine and a mental disintegration technique employed by the Indian team, or is it just a poor imitation of the past great Aussie teams, as most of the young Indian team is in awe of them?

I mean it's not like we won 4 times in a row vs australia at all.

 

[kron]

Jaiswal has long way to go in international cricket. Sledging a legend like Starc may seem cool to garner headlines but it backfired in Adelaide.
Now Starc himself took wickets of Sachin Tendulkar in 2012-13 BGT but was respectful. I hope you get the point.

Starc is not a test legend sorry. He is nothing special in tests.

Cummins is. Hazelwood somewhat like Gillespie level.

 

[kron]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Jaiswal’s comments to Starc. He didn’t sledge him. Just a cheeky taunt which is very much part of the game.

So what he got dismissed by Starc later. It’s part and parcel of the game. Starc is himself an ATG. There will be days Starc will be on top and vice versa. Give me more of such kids with high confidence.

Starc is not a test legend. Just a pink ball great and a great odi player

Not in tests.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not just cricketers, but many youngsters in India these days come across as arrogant, entitled, and ill-mannered.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Starc is not a test legend. Just a pink ball great and a great odi player

Not in tests.

He has close to 400 test wickets and has been the hero of numerous test wins for Australia. Won them the 2015 ODI World Cup. He’s been a great bowler for them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

When you play sports you sometimes get caught up in the moment. Athletes either have spontaneous outburst of emotions or they try to start battles to psyche themselves up.

As long as it doesn't cross the line it's ok.

 

[Bhaijaan]

When you play sports you sometimes get caught up in the moment. Athletes either have spontaneous outburst of emotions or they try to start battles to psyche themselves up.

As long as it doesn't cross the line it's ok.

Bill Goldberg smacks his head on the door before walking out. It gives him a kick. Also Imran Khan marries before going to another election.

 

[Rajdeep]

When you play sports you sometimes get caught up in the moment. Athletes either have spontaneous outburst of emotions or they try to start battles to psyche themselves up.

As long as it doesn't cross the line it's ok.

I have no issue with Siraj giving send off to Travis Head but him throwing the ball at a batsman for pulling out on a genuine reason is not on. That was wrong on his part.

However what transpired between Starc and Jaiswal is bit of a banter. Starc told Harshit Rana - 'I bowl faster than you mate and I got strong memory' as some sort of threat. Then Jaiswal responded to him 'You are bowling very slow today' when they were unable to get him out in Perth. I think its quiet cool and no issues.

Isa Guha in Fox sports interview tried to rile up Starc asking about this fiesty battle with Jaiswal but Starc said its just banter and nothing more.

 

[Mainul]

Personally i think no one should emulate any one . If aggression is part and parcel of your personality then let it comes out naturally keeping in mind the boundaries. Aussies have this naturally. Sometimes they crossed the limits. I have objections only on those incidents.

But if you are cool and calm inside , represent yourself on the field just like that. What actually matters,never let your shoulder drop and and always keeps your body language as competitive at any point of the game.

The great West Indian teamof the past never sledged any team harshly on or off the field like the Aussies. But they were as competitive as anybody on the field and they ruled the cricket world for a long time with this gentleman's demeanor.

Indians should be what they are. Past Indian greats like Sunil,Kapil, Dhoni,Dravid ,Sachin all were gentle and polite. Young Indians should follow their predecessors. But if someone like Kohli is a bit aggressive and emotional let him be as he is. No offence.

 

[Gullycricket]

Personally i think no one should emulate any one . If aggression is part and parcel of your personality then let it comes out naturally keeping in mind the boundaries. Aussies have this naturally. Sometimes they crossed the limits. I have objections only on those incidents.

But if you are cool and calm inside , represent yourself on the field just like that. What actually matters,never let your shoulder drop and and always keeps your body language as competitive at any point of the game.

The great West Indian teamof the past never sledged any team harshly on or off the field like the Aussies. But they were as competitive as anybody on the field and they ruled the cricket world for a long time with this gentleman's demeanor.

Indians should be what they are. Past Indian greats like Sunil,Kapil, Dhoni,Dravid ,Sachin all were gentle and polite. Young Indians should follow their predecessors. But if someone like Kohli is a bit aggressive and emotional let him be as he is. No offence.

This Aussie team has been the nicest over the years. Even the Tim Paine led team was very humble. But remember the temporary captain sledges against him?. I mean these don't feel natural and feel totally out of place. Aussies used to target players they knew would get riled up like Harbhajan, Gambhir , Sreesanth etc and would be strategic with their aim.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Everyone’s trying to be Virat Kohli these days, over-the-top aggression included. The difference? Kohli had the performances to back it up. As for the tattoos, they are copying him too, even though on most of them, it looks more like a bad sketch than a style statement.

 

[Savak]

This is because they know full well that because of IPL the opposition will suck it up.

 

[AAli98]

Indians are only fighters in Bollywood movies put siraj & Head in a telephone booth trust me Siraj will become a mouse !

 

[Croma]

Everyone’s trying to be Virat Kohli these days, over-the-top aggression included. The difference? Kohli had the performances to back it up. As for the tattoos, they are copying him too, even though on most of them, it looks more like a bad sketch than a style statement.

I came here to share my perspective, only to see that you've already expressed it... sigh

Newcomers look up to seniors for inspiration... and obviously Virat's 'aggression' will 'inspire' them to emulate his style of on-field behavior.

 

[Rana]

Imagine being a loser Pakistan fan who worships Babar but has an issue with Indian players showing aggression

 

[Suleiman]

They have a chip on their shoulder for being the least talented full member nation for decades up until the 2010s after investing millions upon millions of dollars into their cricket.

So now they want to take years of humiliation out on other teams that didn’t need that level of investment to be world class.

 

[dravidthewall]

They learnt from Steve Waugh and Ricky ponting's Australia

 

[sweep_shot]

Not just players but fans too as well as common people of India.

Indians in general became arrogant/filled with hubris after a handful years of moderate success.

 

[Rajdeep]

Not just players but fans too as well as common people of India.

Indians in general became arrogant/filled with hubris after a handful years of moderate success.

Irony just died when a Bangladeshi of all people says this. I have been all over the world and trust me you guys are easily the worst of the lot. I can go on and on discussing about Bangladeshis in general and won't be first time me riling them up as I have a long history of it but lets stick to cricket here. At least Indian cricketers are successful, can communicate well in English to do some sledging when required. Imagine an unfit Bangla player trying to sledge someone like Mitchel Starc. Well, first of all they need to take your team seriously enough to invite for a tour.

 

[Rajdeep]

When Starc sledges Harshit Rana saying - "I bowl faster than you mate and I have strong memory"...that is fine.

Jaiswal giving it back 'You are bowling too slow' when Aussies were not able to get him out is needless sledging.

Sums up the mentality of OP. People here expects Indians to be still sub servient to white players like Pakistani and Bangladeshi players do. However that is never going to happen and as someone mentioned on this thread it is just the reflection of the standing of the respective countries.

#PureFacts

 

[ElRaja]

When you play sports you sometimes get caught up in the moment. Athletes either have spontaneous outburst of emotions or they try to start battles to psyche themselves up.

As long as it doesn't cross the line it's ok.

whilst this is true, u just love to see it when someones a level above and manages to use the emotions to play with others heads like warne used to. half the time his antics were part of his strategy.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Virat Kohli was in your face in the 2018 series. Australians looked petrified at the intense test from INdian pacers. They got bullied, battered, bruised in their own den. Until that series Indians competed well on the field with their bat. Not so much with ball. So Indians were not very reactive to much of the sledging. But post 2018 Kohli showed real aggression that meant something. His team members embraced it. It was organic. Australia collectively wilted. I have no problem with aggression. Siraj was aggressive against Indian players as well in the IPL. So was Rana.

 

[Vikram1989]

Not just players but fans too as well as common people of India.

Indians in general became arrogant/filled with hubris after a handful years of moderate success.

Everyone saw Bangladeshi players in ipl .they won't even speak to their team mates (juniors too) and nothing but scared kittens

 

[jnaveen1980]

Everyone saw Bangladeshi players in ipl .they won't even speak to their team mates (juniors too) and nothing but scared kittens

Most arrogant players/fans in the cricket world are Bangladesh fans hands down. Remember the decapitated head of Dhoni in the hands of Taskin. They have achieved nothing yet they are so full of it. I don't find that much with other countries.

 

[Vikram1989]

Most arrogant players/fans in the cricket world are Bangladesh fans hands down. Remember the decapitated head of Dhoni in the hands of Taskin. They have achieved nothing yet they are so full of it. I don't find that much with other countries.

I never saw one player or junior crediting bng player for their success or upping their game.bng players behaves like a govt emp who don't have to upgrade themselves for ever. With their antics such as crying ( almost all the games ), vulgar passion display fans created a pathetic impression of themselves. Even their board shamelessly shares the posts and later put their foot in their mouth

 

[volcyz]

Jaiswals attitude is super refreshing.

But attitude of some like Prithvi Shaw is as embarrassing as it gets, 0 self respect just look at his body shape now, trying to emulate Azam Khan.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The aggression suits a guy like virat who has achieved everything in his career. If a player like siraj is doing it then we can just laugh.

 

[Savak]

Let's be real, this aggression is all thanks to the IPL and the Indian economy. Indian Cricketers today know full well their lives are secure even if they don't have successful careers with the Indian team, look at the the Penthouse appartment of Prithvi Shaw a cricketer who apparently is a failed cricketer wasting his talent.

How Australian Cricketers used to treat Indian Cricketers before the IPL and how the Indian Cricketers used to respond is in front of everyone.

 

[RexRex]

I haven't seen any aggression from India this series. Siraj was letting out a scream of frustration and good on him. Nobody wants a robot on the field.

 

[Gullycricket]

Sickening by ICT to go after a 19 year old non-striker. They just don't know how to sledge, do they?. Even Irfan Pathan was saying the other day that Hayden, Gilly etc would banter but never show this type of behavior to Indian youngsters.

 

[Devadwal]

Sickening by ICT to go after a 19 year old non-striker. They just don't know how to sledge, do they?. Even Irfan Pathan was saying the other day that Hayden, Gilly etc would banter but never show this type of behavior to Indian youngsters.

it was idiots Kostas eho started with bumrah.

Bumrah is cool person who doesn't want any fight but indian always give it back.

 

[pillionrider]

lol Pakistanis swooping in to defend young Konstas against the unruly Indians were so proud of their boy who could mouth a four letter word vs the South Africans the other day

 

[Devadwal]

lol Pakistanis swooping in to defend young Konstas against the unruly Indians were so proud of their boy who could mouth a four letter word vs the South Africans the other day

That's the only things they can do knowing the own player's. Lol

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Whatever helps one bring the best out of a player (as long as it's not illegal). I am all fine with players with an attitude. But fans showing needless attitude of superiority is meaningless tbh.

 

[Vikram1989]

Sickening by ICT to go after a 19 year old non-striker. They just don't know how to sledge, do they?. Even Irfan Pathan was saying the other day that Hayden, Gilly etc would banter but never show this type of behavior to Indian youngsters.

Umpire Rudy said Hayden, symmo are the biggest bullies of cricket. They will face the crowd and abuse the player .Hayden wanted to hit ishant sharma in a boxing march as he wasn't able to score against him.steve Waugh hide the sledging under the mask of "mental disintegration".McGrath abused sarwans brutally and went crying after sarwan got personal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let's be real, this aggression is all thanks to the IPL and the Indian economy. Indian Cricketers today know full well their lives are secure even if they don't have successful careers with the Indian team, look at the the Penthouse appartment of Prithvi Shaw a cricketer who apparently is a failed cricketer wasting his talent.

How Australian Cricketers used to treat Indian Cricketers before the IPL and how the Indian Cricketers used to respond is in front of everyone.

Indian cricketers have been giving it back since the turn of the millennium.

Because they are Backed up by their financial strength and its not surprising that Ganguly started it.

 

[Devadwal]

This is best view to understand the whole Drama and clearly Constas has no business to going at the Bumrah .

Very idiotic stuff and should be fined by ICC like Virat Kohli.

 

[Gullycricket]

it was idiots Kostas eho started with bumrah.

Bumrah is cool person who doesn't want any fight but indian always give it back.

Kohli was 2-3 years older than Konstas in 2011-12 BGT and he abused Ed cowan's dead mother, showed middle finger to the entire Aussie crowd, and, yet was treated respectfully by Aussie team. They could also have hounded him like hyenas since that team had Ponting, Clarke, Warner,Watson

 

[Gullycricket]

This is best view to understand the whole Drama and clearly Constas has no business to going at the Bumrah .

Very idiotic stuff and should be fined by ICC like Virat Kohli.

Khawaja was not ready and his partner was sticking up for him, maybe buying some time also. This is classic Aussie strategy of antagonizing the opposition. But ICT doesn't know how to respond and behave like hyenas

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Kohli was 2-3 years older than Konstas in 2011-12 BGT and he abused Ed cowan's dead mother, showed middle finger to the entire Aussie crowd, and, yet was treated respectfully by Aussie team. They could also have hounded him like hyenas since that team had Ponting, Clarke, Warner,Watson

He abused someone dead mother? That's flipping crazy

 

[Devadwal]

Khawaja was not ready and his partner was sticking up for him, maybe buying some time also. This is classic Aussie strategy of antagonizing the opposition. But ICT doesn't know how to respond and behave like hyenas

There is phrase and its perfect suits on Australia .

"Sada kutta kutta thoda kutta tommy"

Lol

 

[Gullycricket]

He abused someone dead mother? That's flipping crazy

Yes you can read about it. Ed cowan narrated it himself few years later

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian cricketers have been giving it back since the turn of the millennium.

Because they are Backed up by their financial strength and its not surprising that Ganguly started it.

Ganguly’s aggression was as authentic as it gets, unlike the theatrical performances some "champu" cricketers are putting on these days.

 

[Devadwal]

Ganguly’s aggression was as authentic as it gets, unlike the theatrical performances some "champu" cricketers are putting on these days.

Your view about Today Constas pickup a fight against bumrah ?

 

[sweep_shot]

Ganguly’s aggression was as authentic as it gets, unlike the theatrical performances some "champu" cricketers are putting on these days.

Yes. Ganguly's aggression was measured and even justified at times.

But, what current bunch of Indian players do is just cringy and silly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Your view about Today Constas pickup a fight against bumrah ?

Bumrah be like:

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah be like:

That not what I asked

Or you can say it

 

[mominsaigol]

Konstas should have broken Bumrah's hyperextension.

Honestly I hate Bumrah now.

 

[sweep_shot]

Konstas should have broken Bumrah's hyperextension.

Honestly I hate Bumrah now. Indian posters have once again turned a player who I enjoy watching bowl into someone I hate due to overglorification and rhondu attitudes.

Seriously how are Indians such crybabies? I've never come across such hooligans before.

Agree.

I find Indian cricket fans obnoxious, childish, and cringy (not all but most).

Cricket has stopped being a gentlemen's sport due to their antics.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agree.

I find Indian cricket fans obnoxious, childish, and cringy (not all but most).

Cricket has stopped being a gentlemen's sport due to their antics.

Tbf i feel for Bumrah.

Bumrah is a good bowler and he has a good calm and chill personality, Irl he's probably a gem.

It's his fans + his teammates that are the issue.

For example no one talks about how rubbish of an attitude Kohli and siraj have. Their the very definitions of brats.

All eyes on Konstas but he's 19? Why is 36 year old shpulder bumping him and antagonising him?

Plus Indian fans have burned down so many houses + stadiums that I think Guinness world records should add this metric into their books .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That not what I asked

Or you can say it
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Why should I discuss cricketers from other countries when the topic is all about Indian cricketers?

 

[RidiculousMan]

Arrogant. Just like their fans.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Except Kohli barging to Konstas, it's all good.

 

[Buffet]

Aus and India always go hard against each other. Nothing new.

ATG Aus team used to give different names to abuse, but when they got it back they reacted bad. Look up McGrath getting it back against WI and his reaction. He did react understandably, I would have too in same situation. But point is if you are going to cross boudaries then don't compalin if others do it to you. Also, you can't decide on your own standards for boudaries. It does not work that way.

Don't dish it if you can't take it. It's as simple as that. As far as I am concerend, Ind and Aus have been dishing it out to each other for a while now. Umpires will step in if it goes out of hands. I have not seen this with any other two teams in the last 10 years.

I personally want bowlers to speak with their ball and batsmen to speak with their bat. But if teams want to sledge then let them sledge.

 

[uppercut]

Bumrah be like:

janab What did I tell you

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

janab What did I tell you

You told me that you like to run away from discussions and I completely agree with you.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I have been listening to a renowned Indian journalist and he said that during this BGT, the Indian team has been exposed. Let’s accept the fact that India has no replacement for Virat and Rohit. Yes Yashasvi is a special talent but he needs to prove himself over time. All they are doing now is showing aggression to fake the impression that they are still mighty.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I have been listening to a renowned Indian journalist and he said that during this BGT, the Indian team has been exposed. Let’s accept the fact that India has no replacement for Virat and Rohit. Yes Yashasvi is a special talent but he needs to prove himself over time. All they are doing now is showing aggression to fake the impression that they are still mighty.

This is very very far from truth. Rohit was never a good Test batsman for starters. Kohli is one of the worst middle order batsman in the world in the last 5 years averaging mere 30. Nobody was given any run.

 

[BouncerGuy]

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