Does Mohammad Yousuf have a plan for Pakistan batters?

[MenInG]

#justasking

Really -Nothing he says inspires any confidence in me about how he can help our batters do anything of use.

Either he is useless, or players are simply not listening to him - both of those options tell me that his position is irrelevant.

Seems to arrive with the team and then leave as they fail again and again in batting.

 

[mominsaigol]

#justasking

Really -Nothing he says inspires any confidence in me about how he can help our batters do anything of use.

Either he is useless, or players are simply not listening to him - both of those options tell me that his position is irrelevant.

Seems to arrive with the team and then leave as they fail again and again in batting.

Assuming players listen to him and Yousaf is a good coach, which tbh neither scenarios are true,

I doubt he can help these guys much. Yousaf is a classic example of a traditional orthodox batter.

All of his teachings related to footwork, Head placements, orthodox stroke play is only applicable to orthodox batsmen like Kohli, Babar, Root etc.

Someone like Steve Smith wouldn't really benefit from his style of coaching.

The issue with Pakistan is that only agha, Saim and Babar can really benefit. Most of our batters adopt their own style and stance and you can't really change that.

Batters like Fakhar, Usman Khan, Kamran Ghulam( Who's heavy on the backfoot), Saud Shakeel, Tayyab Tahir, Niazi, and many others just can't benefit from his style of coaching.

Indian coaches on the other hand are opposite, since they typically look to work with what style suits their batter the most. Dhoni's coach knew that Dhoni would never become your traditional orthodox batter hence he wanted Dhoni to perfect his helicopter shot and primarily focus on the backfoot.

I don't think Yousaf understands this since last time, based of the videos that I saw, he was trying to teach the likes of Usman khan orthodox batting which won't work.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Look at the body language of your batting coach. It looks like he is walking with no hope.

 

[kingusama92]

He's not a modern batting coach, but the players also deserve blame.

In one of the PCB videos, he was teaching Mohammad Haris to remain side on longer while batting. What does Haris do in the series? He continues squaring up and/or running down the wicket.

I think he's better served to help younger players with their techniques. You get more buy-in at that level when a player is learning compared to international players who are set in their ways.

 

[IAJ]

Look at the body language of your batting coach. It looks like he is walking with no hope.

Bro, you clearly see things, at least I fail to see.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bro, you clearly see things, at least I fail to see.

Do you see a confident coach walking or a guy who has 0 hopes that his team will win anything??

 

[ads101]

Think batting coach role is bringing out a players talent. Or making a player that shows flashes of brilliance more consistent.

Example is Hafeez. A lot of the time he was ridiculed as a batsman. But you could see the strokeplay was there, every now and again he’d look very fluent out there. You could see by the end of his career he’d figured it out along with the benefit of batting down the order. I think a good batting coach/or coach would have got that result sooner. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Hafeez who had to figure it himself out given his comments on how playing golf helped him a lot.

A lot of these guys simply look untalented or unfit. I don’t think a batting coach can help there. The vast majority would be better off getting in shape first and better strength conditioning.

I think only a guy like Saim out of the players I can see, maybe Salman too, who you could perhaps get more consistent and work well with a batting coach. Because the ability is already there. Even Babar it’s difficult for a batting coach to suddenly make him hit harder, improved fitness and strength conditioning is much better suited. And for the guys who are fit but lack overall technique and ability, it’s difficult for a batting coach to suddenly come along and fix that for internationals, you would basically have to teach the batsman a completely different style of batting.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I will go back to what Lala said when seated alongside Yousuf bhai recently. According to Lala, the services of Yousuf bhai are needed with the Under 19 teams and the National Crickeg Academy. PCT isn’t the place to learn cricket basics.

Lala suggested that he is willing to take a key position in PCT without any money. Once he’s given that role he will deploy Yousuf where he is needed.

 

[IAJ]

Look at the body language of your batting coach. It looks like he is walking with no hope.

From that particular picture it's impossibe for me to say anything.

 

[The_KING]

The coach isn’t some magician. He can only do so much. When the players are simply untalented, what can the coach do?

 

[BouncerGuy]

From that particular picture it's impossibe for me to say anything.

There is a video available in pre-match thread for you to see... Just look at the sad faces of these guys..

 

[Kianig89]

Exactly , Yousuf works on a set pattern while coaching in modern era has various aspects

 

[cricfan432]

Yusuf is same mindset as Rizzu symonds and Babar, he said " hum nz ko 260 per out karlete" First tell me why are you afraid of chasing 300?

 

[Savak]

Yousaf batting style suited test and odi cricket, he wasn't really a T20 player. I don't think he can help our batters in the T20 format as much

 

[Snowflake]

If as a head coach , Aqib, the biggest critic of Rizwan and Babar couldn’t change the way these guys play… what chances does Yousaf has?

These guys are not willing to listen. The first and foremost priority for them is securing their own places in the side. No coaches can help anyone with that mindset

 

[giri26]

A batting coach at the International level neither can teach batting nor can revamp technique of a player. First we need to understand what the batting coach of a National team can do and cannot do. This is not school cricket or u19 level where the batting coach might have wider portfolio.

When a player makes it to the national team he or she is expected to be finished article. Someone who does the basics right but might need some pointers or small technical adjustments based on conditions and opposition. A batting coach also can work with the players to form a plan of action as to how to tackle or play a bowling attach and come up with a strategy etc. That's all his role can be at the highest level. For example Yousuf cannot take Hasan Nawaz or Mohammad Haris and transform their technique overnight. That cannot be expected from a national team coach. If you see in other team sports as well, a coach at the highest level, just creates plans/plays to be followed and executed. If they notice that one of their players has developed some technical issues they can work with them to correct it that's about it. National team coach should not be expected to teach batting or completely transform someones mindset and technique over a 3 week period. That is impossible for anyone.

Pakistan need to have good coaches at the U19 level and also in domestic cricket where they can spend more time in correcting techniques of talented batters etc. At the international level only small chinks in techniques should be corrected, you cannot teach someone to bat completely differently. That does come in the job description.

 

[RidiculousMan]

#justasking

Really -Nothing he says inspires any confidence in me about how he can help our batters do anything of use.

Either he is useless, or players are simply not listening to him - both of those options tell me that his position is irrelevant.

Seems to arrive with the team and then leave as they fail again and again in batting.

He knows how to coach. But problem is he should be coaching in U19 levels. Not in international stage. Players in international stage need more naunced technically minute, strategy and mindset help. That unfortunately most Pakistani coaches or ex players can't do.

 

[TheSultan]

Do you see a confident coach walking or a guy who has 0 hopes that his team will win anything??

From one picture?

 

[TheSultan]

Who can help these guys? No one because they don’t want to change. They don’t want to listen. They got rid of Kirsten, Gillespie and many others before.

All these soft pansies want is a team fo friends to lark about on a cricket pitch and after the match have some cakes etc.

We’re not a serious side anymore - just a bunch of man-childs. Happy budday

 

[MenInG]

Who can help these guys? No one because they don’t want to change. They don’t want to listen. They got rid of Kirsten, Gillespie and many others before.

All these soft pansies want is a team fo friends to lark about on a cricket pitch and after the match have some cakes etc.

We’re not a serious side anymore - just a bunch of man-childs. Happy budday

Didn't like the budday reference there as it hit home.

 

[LordJames]

Yusuf should be working at the Junior level because that's where techniques are developed and Juniors will get inspired from me.

At the National level, players should come into the fold with their techniques more or less established barring a few tweaks to get over some issues and problems.

The fact that he has to work on "Technique" of International players is a horrible indication that there is no system in Pakistan, just Chaos.

And we know that.

And the fix is to introduce players like Yusuf at Junior level

 

[Savak]

Can't blame Mohd Yousaf alone. He has worked with the players in the past as well. The players either don't work hard enough and even when he works hard on the players, the players when they go out there under pressure fall back into their old habits.

Techniques are best refined at an early age, U19 and Academy level. It's very hard to change international players unless they themselves are determined to apply themselves and work hard.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Let's start from the top.

What coaching credentials does this guy have?

Alternatively, what trophies did he win to inspire these youngsta beauties?

 

[sweep_shot]

Techniques are best refined at an early age, U19 and Academy level. It's very hard to change international players unless they themselves are determined to apply themselves and work hard.

This is true. Hard to teach older players new things. Ego may come into play.

 

[Rana]

He’s probably good for 1-1 specialised coaching of specific style of Test batters, but I don’t think this guy can handle whole bunches of players with altering styles in different formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

He’s probably good for 1-1 specialised coaching of specific style of Test batters, but I don’t think this guy can handle whole bunches of players with altering styles in different formats.

Exactly, too many unorthodox styles in Pakistan's batting lineup. Certain batters like rizwan have never before seen styles that just can't be worked on

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Why is it always the batting coach at international level who needs to fix issues with batters? Why can't their shortcomings be sorted in domestics or NCA?
Players need to take accountability for themselves too. 30 year olds don't need to be spoon fed.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson

Unfortunately despite multiple punches Pakistan stick to the same plan.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No plans here... Batters are looking even worse.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I have noticed that the current Pakistan team seems to be moving away from religion and it’s showing in their performance. During their finest years in cricket, devotion played a major role in their performances getting to another level.

 

[hassan918]

Every coach has plans to do his job but any coach should be given a proper time to implement his plan. The problem is that we change too many coaches too quickly.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Whatever plans he has for these batters, clearly those plans are not working...

I see 0 improvement in any of the batter...