Does Pakistan have any other Test class pacers with the exception of Mohammad Abbas?

[Madplayer]

Sorry but Wahab Riaz simply doesnt cut it anymore. Hasan Ali has lost his form for a while and doesnt look like someone who can be a fearsome strike bowler in tests. And now with Muhammad Amir out of contention, what are the options that remain? Muhammad Abbas is one who has been performing well and seems to be the only test class pacer in the squad.

Should some new comers be fast tracked in the side? Shaheen Shah has potential but is raw. Some u19 bowlers like Muhammad Musa also showed potential.

Who are the test class pacers in Pakistan?

 

[coy0607]

Amir is probably second best, which isn't saying much

Faheem, Usman and Shaheen need to get more opportunity in tests. I think they are the best of the lot

 

[asadee]

Shaheen needs to be prepped

 

[babajee]

Hasan and Shaheen for now. Amir is also excellent in swing conducive conditions.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

It won't be long before Shaheen shah Afridi is in tests. Mohd Amir will make a comeback. As for Wahab he can play as the third bowler because he was never the main strike bowler. Pakistan Tried to make him into their spearhead bowler but he only fires on occasions. He can do his part as a 3rd or 4th bowler in an attack. Shaheen and Abbas is Pakistan's future New ball pair.

 

[AliMurtaza]

Unlike limited overs where you have multiple options, in tests it seems you only have Abbas. Mir Hamza is untested tho. Apart from that, I don’t see any under 30 pacers performing in domestic. Not in favor of giving untested players like Shaheen a run in tests without them proving their worth in domestic first.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Hasan Ali.

 

[Fahdi]

Junaid before his injury was very good. He didn't have the ability to exploit movement in the air but he did get wickets in the UAE and Sri Lanka. Bowled well in South Africa as well actually despite what the scorecard may read. He'd get carted in Australia and would waste the new ball in England but in other conditions he would do well. After injury I can't say for sure though as he hasn't looked the same ever since.

Shaheen has the potential but is far too raw. He doesn't have a good seam position to swing the ball consistently, he lacks the discipline needed for tests, he isn't too quick but his tall frame would allow him to generate good bounce. He needs to watch Hazlewood closely. Should be in the squad at the very least.

I have seen a little bit of Mir Hamza and I feel he has the potential to be a decent test bowler. He can swing the ball and if he bowls with discipline and the right mindset like Abbas he can be a decent bowler, not exceptional but decent. 29-30 average maybe.

Hassan Ali also has potential as well. Could be a 26-27 averaging bowler if he applies himself. I don't think he is capable of averaging under 25.

I keep mentioning Arshad Iqbal from the U19 world cup. He played alongside Shaheen and honestly looked to me as if he was a better test prospect.

 

[Greenstorm]

Ahmed Bashir is averaging 19 after 22 first class matches so he can be a pacier version of Abbas in future.

 

[Justcrazy]

Abbas was picked up on basis of his First Class performance. You need to give chance those who perform there , then only you can get some good bowlers. Mir hamza and Sadaf should have been given some opportunities. There performances does deserve some chances.

 

[New Yorker]

Abbas was picked up on basis of his First Class performance. You need to give chance those who perform there , then only you can get some good bowlers. Mir hamza and Sadaf should have been given some opportunities. There performances does deserve some chances.

Yes, Mir and Sadaf would be the obvious candidates. Sadaf and Shaheen would make for a very tall attack.

 

[Bilal7]

Amir, Junaid, Shaheen, Hasan and Riaz himself are all good test bowlers. Don't judge these guys by how they perform in conditions unhelpful for the pacers.

Mohammad Abbas is a special talent though. Has some serious potential and I can't wait to see him bowl in South Africa.

 

[Hasan123]

Abbas
Shaheen
Hasan Ali

I hope these 3 play together in South Africa. Wahab isn't good enough anymore outside of UAE. Amir has struggled in tests and doesn't deserve to start the series at the very minimum.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Sadaf Hussain like Abbas.

 

[topspin]

Abbas
Shaheen
Hasan Ali

I hope these 3 play together in South Africa. Wahab isn't good enough anymore outside of UAE. Amir has struggled in tests and doesn't deserve to start the series at the very minimum.

This

 

[IAJ]

Just bring back Mohammad Asif untill Shaheen is ready. Hasan Ali or Faheem can take the last spot when 3 seamers are needed.

Abbas-Asif combo will never release the preassure.

 

[Madplayer]

Just bring back Mohammad Asif untill Shaheen is ready. Hasan Ali or Faheem can take the last spot when 3 seamers are needed.

Abbas-Asif combo will never release the preassure.

I would rather try Sadaf Hussain if we need an Asif type bowler. He is clean, left handed and does the same job as Asif.

 

[IAJ]

I would rather try Sadaf Hussain if we need an Asif type bowler. He is clean, left handed and does the same job as Asif.

Well, Asif has shown that he is a World Class bowler at this level so this particular comparison is unfair. I have been voicing for Sadaf’s inclusion for years here but he needs to play for the A team and once he performs there he will be included in the senior team.

 

[New Yorker]

Well, Asif has shown that he is a World Class bowler at this level so this particular comparison is unfair. I have been voicing for Sadaf’s inclusion for years here but he needs to play for the A team and once he performs there he will be included in the senior team.

You haven't been following the Sadaf story very closely I presume. He has been on two A tours already I believe and was MoS for one if not both of them.

 

[IAJ]

You haven't been following the Sadaf story very closely I presume. He has been on two A tours already I believe and was MoS for one if not both of them.

He has played some ODIs against Afghanistan some 6-7 years ago and went to the Windies tour replacing Cheema. I know all this. When talking about A team I am thinking of proper 4 day matches with good opposition like the series with Kiwis coming up.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Junaid Khan

Mohammad Asif.

Probably the only proven class performers. In the Waqar era Imran Khan, M. Irfan were good as well.

 

[Xoib]

Amir will be back Hassan will make a good test bowler aswell just don’t panic yet

 

[Sirris]

Amir is probably second best, which isn't saying much

Faheem, Usman and Shaheen need to get more opportunity in tests. I think they are the best of the lot

How can you say Amir is the second best? Just out of sheer hype? Amir is the guy who can't even a wicket against a team like Zimbabwe.

I am sure if we look around in domestic and try out some of consistent performers for the past 5 year we could find a worthy partner for Abbas.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No. SS Afridi might develop into one, Hasan is a good 3rd seamer, but Amir and Junaid can only be considered inconsistent performers who might come off once in a while. Junaid perhaps deserves another chance considering he's shown some decent ODI form in the last 12 months.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Junaid Khan

Mohammad Asif.

Probably the only proven class performers. In the Waqar era Imran Khan, M. Irfan were good as well.

I forgot to add Mir Hamza. He has phenomenal FC stats. Might not swing it as much in int cricket, but probably will bowl a good line + length ala Abbas.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Sadaf hussain has similar kind of pace and has an excellent track record and deserves a fair chance.

 

[coy0607]

How can you say Amir is the second best? Just out of sheer hype? Amir is the guy who can't even a wicket against a team like Zimbabwe.

I am sure if we look around in domestic and try out some of consistent performers for the past 5 year we could find a worthy partner for Abbas.

I say Amir is second best because he is- tell me who is better than him in tests?
Hassan? Faheem? Rahat? Wahab??

No one else has played a test recently. Amir is clearly second best out of that lot

 

[Hasan123]

Yes we do. Hasan Ali will come good in tests. Shaheen looks a good prospect. Amir is a decent support bowler. Junaid could make a come back. There could also be others in domestic we don't even know about.

 

[boomboom6]

Mir Hamza & Sadaf Hussain are the two other quality FC bowlers who deserve a chance ... hopefully Mir plays next match in place of Riaz ... Sadaf's a hopeless case just like Fawad despite mountains of wickets year after year!

Asif won't be selected so that's a closed chapter.

 

[boomboom6]

Just bring back Mohammad Asif untill Shaheen is ready. Hasan Ali or Faheem can take the last spot when 3 seamers are needed.

Abbas-Asif combo will never release the preassure.

As much as I'd love to see Asif-Abbas, it's not happening. Asif's been performing in FC since his return but getting overlooked so the writing is on the wall really.

Mir Hamza is next in line while Sadaf is out there somewhere wondering what will it take for him to get selected.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Mir Hamza should be given a few Test matches to see if he can bring in the goods. With all the talk of bringing Shaheen into the Test squad for the SA tour, I think he needs to play FC for at least another season. He's got loads of potential and I can't wait for the day he walks out to play a test match but I'd rather see him make his debut as a bowler who understands his strengths and weaknesses after playing two seasons of FC rather than him being a raw young bowler with lots of talent.

For the next year or two he should play FC, meanwhile we should bring in some of the quicker medium pacers from the FC circuit to pair up with Abbas and see how that goes. If we can find someone similar to Abbas but with a bit more pace, than that bowler can hold an end with the seaming ball while Abbas does the work at the other end.

 

[giri26]

Surely it is not Mohammad Amir and Wahab Riaz. Hasan can be it but he needs to play few more games. He has gone downhill in ODI's recently though.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I say Amir is second best because he is- tell me who is better than him in tests?
Hassan? Faheem? Rahat? Wahab??

No one else has played a test recently. Amir is clearly second best out of that lot

What he means is we can easily find guys in the FC circuit who even played in Tests yet who are better than Amir. We're not talking only about current test match players, but also those from the FC circuit.

 

[New Yorker]

He has played some ODIs against Afghanistan some 6-7 years ago and went to the Windies tour replacing Cheema. I know all this. When talking about A team I am thinking of proper 4 day matches with good opposition like the series with Kiwis coming up.

I think you are confusing A team tours with actual national side tours? He was indeed selected for the national squad for the Windies but just warmed the bench, even in the last dead rubber. Genius coach Waqar was perchance determined not to let anyone get in the way of his darling Rahat. Prior to that, and also afterwards, he played in at least two official "A team" tours, but I can't remember the opposition. The point is that the man has proved everything he needs to prove, at home, on away tours, the works. The only thing left is to actually try him. But why would we risk something so dangerous when we can keep recycling Wahab, Amir and Junaid.

 

[coy0607]

What he means is we can easily find guys in the FC circuit who even played in Tests yet who are better than Amir. We're not talking only about current test match players, but also those from the FC circuit.

ofcourse we can find better bowlers in domestic, and bowlers who are performing in domestic should be selected and Amir shouldn't till he shows improvements.

but that doesn't change the fact that Amir is the 2nd best fast bowler in Test match for Pakistan. Can't just arbitrarily say we have better bowlers for someone who hasn't ever played a test match

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

ofcourse we can find better bowlers in domestic, and bowlers who are performing in domestic should be selected and Amir shouldn't till he shows improvements.

but that doesn't change the fact that Amir is the 2nd best fast bowler in Test match for Pakistan. Can't just arbitrarily say we have better bowlers for someone who hasn't ever played a test match

Technically he is pretty much the 2nd best among the current Test match playing batch which is really disappointing considering his recent form. But the argument that we should move past Amir and select players much better than him who are lying around in domestic cricket still stands.

 

[IAJ]

I think you are confusing A team tours with actual national side tours? He was indeed selected for the national squad for the Windies but just warmed the bench, even in the last dead rubber. Genius coach Waqar was perchance determined not to let anyone get in the way of his darling Rahat. Prior to that, and also afterwards, he played in at least two official "A team" tours, but I can't remember the opposition. The point is that the man has proved everything he needs to prove, at home, on away tours, the works. The only thing left is to actually try him. But why would we risk something so dangerous when we can keep recycling Wahab, Amir and Junaid.

I am not confusing anything. It’s you who are trying to prove a point only known to you. I didn’t want to go into details but to make my point clear. He played 3 unofficial One Day matches for Pakistan A against Afghanistan in 2011.

And he toured Windies with the senior side when he replaced injured Aizaz Cheema. And yes he didn’t get any game there and I am quite sure I even wrote some posts on that here back then.

As I have said many times before he deserved to get proper chances with A team at least and then make his way to the national side. If you also read some of his interviews here at PP you will see how much desire he had to get into the A side. That is why I am talking so much about the A team.

A poster tried to compare him with Asif and that is not fair as Asif is a proven World Class bowler whereas Sadaf even hasn’t represented the senior national side. Do you get my point? (Regardless of how well he has bowled in domestic).

Hopefully I have made my stand clear now?

 

[New Yorker]

I am not confusing anything. It’s you who are trying to prove a point only known to you....

As I have said many times before he deserved to get proper chances with A team at least and then make his way to the national side. If you also read some of his interviews here at PP you will see how much desire he had to get into the A side. That is why I am talking so much about the A team.

?

Sigh. Ok. Let's try clarifying. Do you know that Sadaf has actually played so called A tours, at least two of them as far as I know, and was giving bowler or man of the series for at least one of them?

I am not talking about playing Afghanistan, or Windies, but A tours.

The A tours that the PCB and Sethi did not organize enough of, according to everyone's opinion . The A tours that Saud Shakeel is talking about in one of the threads on the board.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...evelop-Pakistani-cricketers-quot-Saud-Shakeel

In other words, 4 day matches involving a bunch of national hopefuls, playing against national hopefuls from other countries. He has played in these A tours. So why do you keep talking about him as if this is something he still needs to do to prove himself?

 

[New Yorker]

Sigh. Ok. Let's try clarifying. Do you know that Sadaf has actually played so called A tours, at least two of them as far as I know, and was giving bowler or man of the series for at least one of them?

I am not talking about playing Afghanistan, or Windies, but A tours.

The A tours that the PCB and Sethi did not organize enough of, according to everyone's opinion . The A tours that Saud Shakeel is talking about in one of the threads on the board.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...evelop-Pakistani-cricketers-quot-Saud-Shakeel

In other words, 4 day matches involving a bunch of national hopefuls, playing against national hopefuls from other countries. He has played in these A tours. So why do you keep talking about him as if this is something he still needs to do to prove himself?

Or, to correct myself, I don't know if one of these A tours was the tour against Afghanistan, but I don't think so. I think both of these series were 4 day match series.

 

[sali]

Pakistan's biggest problem is not playing enough cricket against top teams. Too long gaps and unable to sort out their top batsmen or bowlers. Beside Abbas, we really don't know how many other guys waiting in the wing can be better than the current lot of Hasan Ali, Mohd Amir, Wahab Riaz, Junaid Khan and Rahat. I really don't see any point of playing Rahat and Wahab but for some strange reason,...they keep coming back.

 

[IAJ]

Sigh. Ok. Let's try clarifying. Do you know that Sadaf has actually played so called A tours, at least two of them as far as I know, and was giving bowler or man of the series for at least one of them?

I am not talking about playing Afghanistan, or Windies, but A tours.

The A tours that the PCB and Sethi did not organize enough of, according to everyone's opinion . The A tours that Saud Shakeel is talking about in one of the threads on the board.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...evelop-Pakistani-cricketers-quot-Saud-Shakeel

In other words, 4 day matches involving a bunch of national hopefuls, playing against national hopefuls from other countries. He has played in these A tours. So why do you keep talking about him as if this is something he still needs to do to prove himself?

Just send me scorecards or link to these scorecards where you say Sadaf played.

 

[gazza619]

May be time to give Shaheen a go

 

[ShahidDar08]

There could be hundreds in domestic just like Abbas who doesn't get chance early. Time for selection committee to find out the best possible options.

 

[hussain.r97]

Hasan can be if he plays more games. Shaheen looks promising too.

 

[Kianig89]

Where is he injured out of form or finished