Dr. Aafia Siddiqui Thread

[zimmz]

Dr. Afia Siddiqui remains missing with her three children five years after her arrest. A report by Asian Human Rights Commission suggests that she has been tortured to the point where she has lost her mental balance. Britain's Lord Nazeer Ahmed (of the House of Lords), asked questions in the House about the condition of Prisoner 650 who, according to him, is physically tortured and continuously raped by the prison officers at Bagram prison, Afghanistan. Lord Nazeer has also submitted that Prisoner 650 has no separate toilet facilities and has to attend to her bathing and movements in full-view of everyone.

Urdu:
http://www.pkcolumns.com/2008/07/27/kya-wo-afia-siddiqi-hai/

English:
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2947/

Compare this inhumane treatment with how Taliban treated British woman Yvonne Ridley.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/3673730.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley

 

[zimmz]

Here is another proud achievement of US military.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/421/video-seg1.html

 

[observer1]

Yet sadly Muslims seem to only want to Critisize fellow Muslims, and not these Devils.

 

[aashiqmizaaj]

Yet sadly Muslims seem to only want to Critisize fellow Muslims, and not these Devils.

Because we're educated supposedly through madrassah's while the Americans educated through university. So much for western education.

 

[Robert]

Because we're educated supposedly through madrassah's while the Americans educated through university.

I doubt these particular American torturers went to University.

 

[Savak]

Americans were always sex obsessed. Dont expect any female prisoner to be untouched even if they are 50-60 years old, thats how desperate these 20-30 year old American perverts are.

 

[aashiqmizaaj]

I doubt these particular American torturers went to University.

But they are western educated though or are we pushing it by suggesting even that much?

 

[Robert]

But they are western educated though or are we pushing it by suggesting even that much?

I would suggest that the average US Infantryman's or Marines' standard of education is poor, and from what one British Army Colonel has to say a lot of them are brainwashed by Christian Fundamentalism. They get sent to a country they have no understanding of and unfortunately some are bad apples who will run amok.

 

[aashiqmizaaj]

I would suggest that the average US Infantryman's or Marines' standard of education is poor, and from what one British Army Colonel has to say a lot of them are brainwashed by Christian Fundamentalism. They get sent to a country they have no understanding of and unfortunately some are bad apples who will run amok.

I already know that Robert - I was being sarcastic - carried over from another thread where one individual thinks that the madrassahs are to blame for even roads not being built correctly suggesting that a real education system would help out.

 

[seether1]

Prisoner 650

hello
was wondering if anyone has heard of this:

http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2008/07/30/missing-pakistani-dr-afia-siddiqui-prisoner-650

its really sad wish it wasnt true.. but i guess it is

 

[the Great Khan]

its true the FBI have admitted having afia siddiqui in custody...no one knows whats happened to her children...its sick and very sad!!...but as usal i guess shes just a dirty terrorist and her children are future dirty terrorists so who cares?? right??

 

[Saqlain_doosra]

Did pakistani Human rights people do anything or chilling at their desk getting paid for doing nothing.

 

[McBoom]

its true the FBI have admitted having afia siddiqui in custody...no one knows whats happened to her children...its sick and very sad!!...but as usal i guess shes just a dirty terrorist and her children are future dirty terrorists so who cares?? right??

Judging by the respone to this thread, it does look like even our own countrymen dont care what happens to one of us. How can we blame others in such a situation ?


Those of you who do give a damn, please sign the petition just for the sake of moral support.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/liberate-the-prisoner-650---the-grey-ghost-lady-of-bagram-jail

 

[pakistanbest]

Signed, hope justice is done

 

[switchblade]

its true the FBI have admitted having afia siddiqui in custody...no one knows whats happened to her children...its sick and very sad!!...but as usal i guess shes just a dirty terrorist and her children are future dirty terrorists so who cares?? right??

Americans, Britishers, western europeans and Israelis value the lives of their citizens beyond anything.

On the other hand, in countries like India, Pak, latin america, most african countries value of life is cheaper than a cuban cigar.

U r unlucky to be born in the THIRD WORLD... life is cheap here.... even when 7 year old Indian and Pakistani boys are sold as camel jockeys or sex slaves to the Arab Sheikhs, no body bothers much...

In Hyderabad (India) there was a time when poor muslims used to pimp their 7-13 yr old daughters to 50-60 yr old Arab sheikhs... it was done under the guise of temporary marriages, but in reality, just a pathetic, sad reflection of their own poverty.

Lots of wealthy arabs used to fly down to Hyd for their "marriage" vacation with these girls... and their parents used to claim refuge saying that its their RELIGIOUS right to pimp their daughters.. If its all permitted under Islam, why dont Arabs go screw their own Arabian kids ? they know they will be beheaded or stuff like that in their own country for doing this pedophilic stuff.

Just blame it all on - rich eat poor, strong eat weak.. Pakistani is a poor and weak nation, that relies on US aid... as long as you are not rich or at least white, dont expect US to respect your human rights.

 

[seether1]

only 5 people replyd to this... which is really sad but better than befor i tried posting something like this on other forums one i got NO reply the other was just deleted.. any ways thanks to those who took the time to say something, was just on cnn and i saw this:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/04/terror.arrest/index.html

people in pak really need to demand a change this is getting to ridiculous, u.s gets to do whatever they want, take however they want and our govt follows thier orders.. we cant blame america for this coz the pak govt gives out pakistanies to america like cookies. i really dont blieve cnn's version of things to be honest no one should believe any western Media 90% off its total BS

 

[Khabri420]

this is extremely sad, and as usual our government doesn't give two sh*ts about this. Our current government is useless, not any different from its predecessors. However, our president , is the only one to blame for this.

 

[kingusama92]

^^ our government officials are too busy fighting for their spots to care about someone like her... plain idiots those fools...

 

[zimmz]

I created a thread few days back about this issue. May be some mod can merge these two threads.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=60124

 

[the Great Khan]

change the title to something more shocking and maybe people will listen!!

 

[McBoom]

Finally after 5 long years of illegal abduction of the Doctor of Biology from MIT there is some news about Dr Afia Siddiqui. Now they are going to prosecute her after voices were raised by Amnesty International, PTI , and other human rights organization and at least she is going to get a trial now. Still no news about what happened to her 3 children.

The worst part of the story is that, she was abducted from Pakistan in Karachi and now they are reporting she was captured in Afghanistan. Such are the standrards of the country which proudly represents the free world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7542249.stm

 

[Saj]

I created a thread few days back about this issue. May be some mod can merge these two threads.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=60124

merged.

This is quite a shocking story. Another example of Human Rights abuses by those that criticise others for their Human Rights records.

 

[the Great Khan]

its only coming out now because they have been caught at it...raping and torturing an Paksitani woman..hence Muslim woman..imagine the outcry if things starting gathering momentum!!...now they can counter and paint her as a dirty terrorist who has perverted Islam!!...of course they arent saying where her children are especialy the youngest one!!....theres no chance they will let her out in front of the media!!...

 

[Legendary_Sage]

A real sad thing.I've read these stories and really feeling bad.
May the people get justice and our sisters can be saved from being sold to U.S for few dollars in the name of war against terror.

 

[mumtaz]

Pakistan demands access to Dr Aafia Siddiqui in U.S.
KARACHI, Aug 5 (Reuters): Pakistan demanded consular access to Dr Aafia Siddiqui, accused of suspected links to al Qaeda. She is due to be arraigned in New York on Tuesday on charges of attempting to murder U.S. troops and FBI agents in Afghanistan. Pakistan's ambassador to Washington made the request for consular access on Monday, Pakistan's state-run news agency said. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) demanded the Pakistani government intervene and secure her release. “Dr. Aafia's case is a reminder of the grave injustice done to God knows how many Pakistanis in U.S. detention facilities in Bagram in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, who have been listed as missing” an HRCP statement said. The story of her arrest is one of the strangest to emerge since the Sept. 11, 2001 al Qaeda attacks on the United States. Family members said Siddiqui was raped and tortured at Bagram, although they did not say how they knew this. The New York Times newspaper said Dr Aafia Siddiqui had links to at least two of 14 suspected high-level Al-Qaeda members held in Guantanamo Bay. (Posted @ 21:05 PST)


Aafia Siddiqui charged in NY with soldier attack,
NEW YORK, Aug 5 (AP): Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT-educated Pakistani woman, once identified as a possible Al Qaeda associate has been brought to New York to face the charges that she tried to kill U.S. agents and military officers during an interrogation in Afghanistan, federal prosecutors said. Siddiqui, who was shot and wounded last month during the confrontation, was expected to be arraigned Tuesday in a federal court in Manhattan on charges of attempted murder and assault, U.S. Attorney Michael Garcia said in a statement. Aafia’s family attorney, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, said the allegations were false. Siddiqui, 36, was stopped by Afghan police on July 17 outside a government building, according to a criminal complaint. Police searched her handbag and discovered documents containing recipes for explosives and chemical weapons and describing “various landmarks in the United States, including New York City,” according to the complaint, which did not identify the landmarks. The next day, as a team of FBI agents and U.S. military officers prepared to question her, Siddiqui grabbed a rifle, pointed it at an army captain and yelled that she wanted blood, prosecutors said. An interpreter pushed the rifle aside as she fired two shots, which missed, they said. One of two shots fired by a soldier in response hit her in the torso. Even after being hit, Siddiqui struggled and shouted in English “that she wanted to kill Americans” before the officers subdued her, the complaint said. Sharp called the charges “a tall story.” At the time of the incident, Afghan officials gave conflicting accounts of what transpired. U.S. military officials declined comment. Siddiqui is charged with one count each of attempted murder and assault. If convicted, she faces up to 20 years in prison on each charge. (First Posted @ 11:35 PST, Updated @ 16:45 PST)


Aafia Siddiqui’s family says death threats received
KARACHI, Aug 5 (AFP): The family of Aafia Siddiqui, facing terrorism charges in the United States said Tuesday that they had received death threats warning them not to discuss her case. Mother-of-three Aafia Siddiqui was extradited to the United States on charges of shooting at US soldiers while in detention in Afghanistan, a US attorney said. Siddiqui, 36, disappeared from Karachi in 2003 and appeared on a list of US suspects linked to Al-Qaeda the following year. “Our lives are in serious danger,” her sister Fauzia Siddiqui, a doctor living in Karachi, told AFP. “We are receiving threats through phone calls and SMS not to dicuss or pursue Aafia's case. I do not know who are the people threatening us,” she said. (Posted @ 17:00 PST)

 

[pakistanbest]

its only coming out now because they have been caught at it...raping and torturing an Paksitani woman..hence Muslim woman..imagine the outcry if things starting gathering momentum!!...now they can counter and paint her as a dirty terrorist who has perverted Islam!!...of course they arent saying where her children are especialy the youngest one!!....theres no chance they will let her out in front of the media!!...

its things like these that anger the young muslims so much that a small minority become terrorists in order to get revenge for disgusting cases such as these, thinking about anyone getting raped is just blood boiling issed:. as once a muslim cleric replied to a queation why many young muslims are becoming part of terrorists groups this was on sky news, the cleric replied when they watch news channels such as these and see their Muslim brothers and sisters continously getting tortured and abused, they feel they need to get revenge. I totally agree with this cleric and hearing about these stories just outrages any person and also with nothing being done to help thesepoor and defenceless people, some young Muslims think terrorism is the way to attack the americans and british people, i understand the reaosns they are doing this but i dont agree with their actions.

THESE INN0CNET PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREED AND INSH'ALLAH THEY ARE AND MAY ALLAH (SWT) GIVE THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES THE STRENGTH AND PATIENCE TO GET THROUGH THIS HORRIFIC TIME

 

[HillRock]

What a lame story they have come up with!!!

On a side note, it is interesting to note the absence of liberal fascists in this thread.

 

[161]

A lot of anger here at the US .... but what about the Pakistani officials who abducted her and sent her to the Americans ?

And hers is not the only case .... I've heard a number of stories of released GITMO inmates stating that they were wrongly picked up by Pakistani security forces and then sent to Afghanistan.

I think the Pak government has to investigate these matters and come clean to the world that we picked up and gave innocent people to America.

Only then can people like Dr. Siddiqui and the many others held at GITMO get justice.

 

[McBoom]

On a side note, it is interesting to note the absence of liberal fascists in this thread.

Well this isn't exactly an apostasy law thread now is it. Don't worry, you'll get used to the Harvey Dents over here.

 

[sehsan]

very sad to hear this story. may allah bring justice to her and unite all the muslims, ameen

 

[161]

Yet sadly Muslims seem to only want to Critisize fellow Muslims, and not these Devils.

That's pretty dumb even considering your low standards.

There is more than enough blaming of America, Israel, Britain and everyone else for Muslim problems .. but it is incredibly rare that we actually look at what we have been doing wrong.

As I stated in my earlier post, Dr. Siddiqui and many of the other innocents held by the US were wrongly picked up in Pakistan by Pakistanis !

Our very own security forces are complicit in these matters.

 

[Legendary_Sage]

Librals have nothing to do with musiim women being raped by "peace keepers" of the world.
Had it been somethng to do with taliban then this thread would have filled with so many replies against taliban.

 

[the Great Khan]

DR afia before and after her ordeal!!!

 

[pakistanbest]

DR afia before and after her ordeal!!!

that is just heartbreaking to see. when will someone ever stand up to these abusers and murderers, makes my blood boil to see someone in that state issed: issed: issed: issed:

MAY ALLAH (SWT) HELP HER THROUGH THIS HORRIBLE TIME AND HELP HER TO GET FREEDOM INSH'ALLAH

AMEEN

 

[pakistanbest]

'Al-Qaeda woman' Aafia Siddiqui' in court on attempted murder charge
Aafia Siddiqui, a US-educated neuroscientist, is accused of helping the leadership of al-Qaeda
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James Bone in New York and Zahid Hussain in Islamabad
An American-educated neuroscientist who is the only woman accused of working for al-Qaeda’s top leadership appeared in court in New York last night after her capture in Afghanistan.

The US Government alleges that Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani mother of three with a biology degree from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a doctorate in behavioural neuroscience from Brandeis University, near Boston, is married to the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who claims to have organised the September 11 terror attacks in 2001.

She is charged with attempted murder and assault for allegedly trying to kill an American interrogator in a gun battle after she was arrested outside an Afghan government compound with a handbag full of chemicals and information on chemical, biological and radiological weapons, as well as descriptions of “various landmarks” in the United States.

Her trial should shed light on the mystery surrounding her disappearance with her children from the Pakistani city of Karachi in 2003. Her family claimed that she was abducted and imprisoned in a secret US detention centre. Six human rights groups, including Amnesty International, have listed her as a possible “secret detainee”.

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“What a mockery that after five years in detention Aafia is suddenly discovered in Afghanistan,” her younger sister, Fauzia Siddiqui, a doctor, told a news conference in Karachi yesterday. “Aafia was tortured for five years until one day US authorities announce that they have found her in Afghanistan, which shows how they abused their power and tortured an innocent woman without committing any crime.”

US officials insisted that they had no knowledge of her whereabouts until she was arrested by Afghan police for acting suspiciously outside the governor’s compound in the central Afghan province of Ghazni on July 17. They said that Ms Siddiqui was with a teenage boy at the time.

Prosecutors said that numerous documents were found in her handbag about “the creation of explosives, chemical weapons and other weapons”. Ms Siddiqui is also alleged to have had descriptions of landmarks in the US, documents about US military assets and excerpts from The Anarchist Arsenal.

Two FBI agents escorted by US soldiers interrogated her the following day. The soldiers were unaware that she was being held behind a curtain and a warrant officer put his M4 rifle on the ground.

Ms Siddiqui allegedly grabbed the rifle and fired two shots at a US army captain but an interpreter pushed the gun away as she fired. As the soldiers returned fire, she was hit at least once. “The warrant officer saw and heard Siddiqui fire at least two shots as Interpreter 1 tried to wrestle the gun from her. No one was hit,” the criminal complaint says. “The warrant officer heard Siddiqui exclaim, ‘Allah akbar!’ Another interpreter heard Siddiqui yell in English, ‘Get the f*** out of here!’ as she fired the rifle.”

A slight woman, Ms Siddiqui walked gingerly into court last night with her head wrapped in a scarf. “She is shot. She is in pain. We were able to look at the dressing. You can see it’s stained and oozing,” said Elizabeth Fink, her court-appointed lawyer.

Ms Siddiqui, 36, shook her head as the judge read the allegations about her trying to shoot a soldier. Her lawyer asked for the case to be dismissed.

“I think its ridiculous,” Ms Fink said. “You tell me you can put down an M4 rifle right by your foot and this 90lb \ woman is behind the curtain and you do not realise until the rifle is in her hand,” she said.

The US Government named Ms Siddiqui in 2004 as one of seven suspected al-Qaeda associates feared to be planning an attack. Washington said, however, that it had no information linking her to any specific terror attack and that she had not been charged with any terrorist offences.

Ms Siddiqui is one of three children of Mohammed Siddiqui, a British-trained Pakistani doctor. She moved to the US from Pakistan in 1990 to live with her brother, an architect, and study. While at university she raised money for charitable Islamic causes such as widows and orphans in Bosnia.

After completing her doctoral thesis she married a Pakistani anaesthesiologist and lived in a flat in Boston that also served as the headquarters of an Islamic charity called the Institute of Islamic Research and Teaching. In 2002 the couple were questioned by the FBI after Ms Siddiqui’s husband allegedly purchased night-vision goggles and body armour on the internet. Within months the couple moved back to Pakistan but soon separated.

The US alleged that Ms Siddiqui has links to at least two of the 14 high-level al-Qaeda suspects who were moved to Guantanamo in September 2006. American prosecutors said that Ms Siddiqui opened a post office box in Maryland for Majid Khan, a former Baltimore resident now being held at the US detention centre in Guantanamo Bay.

Ms Siddiqui later married Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, known as Ammar alBaluchi, a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a cousin of Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre in New York.

Ms Siddiqui faces up to 20 years in prison on each count if convicted. The judge set a bail hearing for Monday.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4467148.ece

some good news for her that she is on trial and not stuck behind bars without a fair trial though this trial may never be fair

 

[Khabri420]

that is just heartbreaking to see. when will someone ever stand up to these abusers and murderers, makes my blood boil to see someone in that state issed: issed: issed: issed:

MAY ALLAH (SWT) HELP HER THROUGH THIS HORRIBLE TIME AND HELP HER TO GET FREEDOM INSH'ALLAH

AMEEN

Ameen.

Goes to show how pathetic our government is. No one took action on this during the last five years and even today, at the court, there was no representative of the pakistani government, no ambassador, not even someone from the embassy.

 

[switchblade]

If she is white, she would be all over US media

A burqa wearing, brown muslim female is not at all attractive to US media

 

[W63L35]

 

[mnoman15]

She looked horrible in this picture man. May Allah forgive all of us ...

 

[Kriketer]

It's really sad to hear about her. Culprits are every where around the world. U.S. (United Sins) is the biggest terrorist nation on this planet....especially there politicians and army.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Please sign

http://www.petitiononline.com/af258633/petition.html

 

[khan-92]

very sad story May Allah help her and her children.

 

[Waseem]

It's shocking and heartbreaking to see her suffer so much. What's the difference between Americans treating a woman like this and terrorists slaughtering Daniel Pearl???

 

[the Great Khan]

all 661 articles about dr afia!!...the bovine excrement meter has gone over the scale on the cover story!!..she has become an embarressment to the rulers of the world and so must eitehr be disposed of or painted as a terrorist so that nobody can be seen to be sympathetic lest they also be branded a terrorist!!

http://news.google.com/?ned=uk&nsrc=ig&ncl=1233158339&hl=en

 

[Legendary_Sage]

May ALLAH grant her peace of mind and will to stand by the truth.Ameen

 

[Oxy]

I followed this story through the night on BBC radio - even by 'dumb American' standards, the flip-flopping of what happened to her was alarming.

If this is how the CIVILISED WEST conducts itself, then really they have no right to call Muslims backward - they are supposed to be the upholders of the law; show the Afghanis & Iraqis how its supposed to be done!

Yet time and time again we see what American justice is all about - torture, illegal detention & transfers, water-boarding etc etc etc etc etc

And as for the Pakistani authorities - no surprises there.

 

[Ace Base]

I followed this story through the night on BBC radio - even by 'dumb American' standards, the flip-flopping of what happened to her was alarming.

If this is how the CIVILISED WEST conducts itself, then really they have no right to call Muslims backward - they are supposed to be the upholders of the law; show the Afghanis & Iraqis how its supposed to be done!

Yet time and time again we see what American justice is all about - torture, illegal detention & transfers, water-boarding etc etc etc etc etc

And as for the Pakistani authorities - no surprises there.

Akh Oxy

Contrast this to the times when Khalifah Mu'tasim moved the army of the Ummah based on the cry for help from one woman.

When a Muslimah was disrobed by some people in Spain, she wrote a letter to the Khalifah in Iraq. Mutasim wrote to the leader of these people saying: ''I am Mu'tasim, Slave of Allah and his Khalifah upon the Ummah. I swear by Allah if you do not apologise to the woman and punish the ones who insulted her I will send an army so large that when the first soldier is entering Spain the last one will still be leaving Baghdad''.

Today, Allah has blessed the Muslim leaders with much wealth in the form of oil. All the rulers have to do is hold back supply of oil to the United States until Muslims are treated with justice and fairness.

However, in this case, lets go back to the root of the problem. Us, the Muslims.

We have the rulers we do because we deserve them. We are in the habit of blaming everybody for our ills except ourselves.

When the Muslims return to Islam, Allah will restore to them their pride and dignity, their I'zza.

Until then, we continue to wallow in humiliation.

 

[Oxy]

Akh Oxy

Contrast this to the times when Khalifah Mu'tasim moved the army of the Ummah based on the cry for help from one woman.

When a Muslimah was disrobed by some people in Spain, she wrote a letter to the Khalifah in Iraq. Mutasim wrote to the leader of these people saying: ''I am Mu'tasim, Slave of Allah and his Khalifah upon the Ummah. I swear by Allah if you do not apologise to the woman and punish the ones who insulted her I will send an army so large that when the first soldier is entering Spain the last one will still be leaving Baghdad''.

Today, Allah has blessed the Muslim leaders with much wealth in the form of oil. All the rulers have to do is hold back supply of oil to the United States until Muslims are treated with justice and fairness.

However, in this case, lets go back to the root of the problem. Us, the Muslims.

We have the rulers we do because we deserve them. We are in the habit of blaming everybody for our ills except ourselves.

When the Muslims return to Islam, Allah will restore to them their pride and dignity, their I'zza.

Until then, we continue to wallow in humiliation.

No denying that we deserve the leaders that we have - conveniently propped up by those that have their own interests at heart

 

[WasimG]

I followed this story through the night on BBC radio - even by 'dumb American' standards, the flip-flopping of what happened to her was alarming.

If this is how the CIVILISED WEST conducts itself, then really they have no right to call Muslims backward - they are supposed to be the upholders of the law; show the Afghanis & Iraqis how its supposed to be done!

Yet time and time again we see what American justice is all about - torture, illegal detention & transfers, water-boarding etc etc etc etc etc

And as for the Pakistani authorities - no surprises there.

Hold you speech till she's proven innocent, Oxy bhai. The torture and rape is deplorable and shameful, but not one person has asked if she really is linked to Al-Qaeda and have committed any crimes, almost as if thats irrelevant. I know we look at her pic and we think of our mothers and sisters but our mothers and sisters dont have links with Al Qaeda and plan attacks on soldiers. Random Pakistanis dont get abducted and sent to Afghan prison, even if the punishment is harsh, there must be a reason she was prisoned and not some random Maasee Museebtee. She could've done something stupid to have ended up like this, and she might even be regretting it now.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Hold you speech till she's proven innocent, Oxy bhai. The torture and rape is deplorable and shameful, but not one person has asked if she really is linked to Al-Qaeda and have committed any crimes, almost as if thats irrelevant. I know we look at her pic and we think of our mothers and sisters but our mothers and sisters dont have links with Al Qaeda and plan attacks on soldiers. Random Pakistanis dont get abducted and sent to Afghan prison, even if the punishment is harsh, there must be a reason she was prisoned and not some random Maasee Museebtee. She could've done something stupid to have ended up like this, and she might even be regretting it now.

It is irrelevant simply because she was NOT given a chance to defend herself.

 

[pakistanbest]

even if she is gulity, no one has the right to torture and rape any human and also imprison them for many years without a fair trial.

this thread is not in regards to if she is guilty or not but in the manner she was shockingly treated

 

[Oxy]

Hold you speech till she's proven innocent, Oxy bhai. The torture and rape is deplorable and shameful, but not one person has asked if she really is linked to Al-Qaeda and have committed any crimes, almost as if thats irrelevant. I know we look at her pic and we think of our mothers and sisters but our mothers and sisters dont have links with Al Qaeda and plan attacks on soldiers. Random Pakistanis dont get abducted and sent to Afghan prison, even if the punishment is harsh, there must be a reason she was prisoned and not some random Maasee Museebtee. She could've done something stupid to have ended up like this, and she might even be regretting it now.

I made my post based on the way detainees have been treated by the USA/UK Allied forces during this 'War on Terror'

Look at those that were randomnly picked up up taken to Guantanamo....only to be released with NO CHARGES!

One of the 'selling points' of this war was 'good over evil' - 'civiised v uncivilised'

Yet US/UK have denied detainees basic human rights that they should be entitled to under the Geneva Convention because they have decided to reclassify these detainees as 'combatants' rather than 'Prisoners of War'

Is this women innocent or guilty? I have absolutely NO IDEA. But the changes to their story almost on a minute by minute basis last night doesnt reflectt well on the USA...again.

 

[WasimG]

It is irrelevant simply because she was NOT given a chance to defend herself.

True. However if she's proven guilty personally I wont have much sympathy for her.

even if she is gulity, no one has the right to torture and rape any human and also imprison them for many years without a fair trial.

Yes her treatment is inhumane for sure. However being raped is almost always a part of imprisonment even in the Us. Even American MEN get raped for a crime much less serious than linking with Al Qaeda or shooting anyone.

Yet US/UK have denied detainees basic human rights that they should be entitled to under the Geneva Convention because they have decided to reclassify these detainees as 'combatants' rather than 'Prisoners of War'

Thats been the biggest hypocrisy of the allied forces. However if I was a MIT graduate I wouldn't be purchasing hi-tech military equipment and donating funds to any organization with an 'al' in it, specially after 9/11. What kind of treatment was Dr. Siddiqui expecting?

 

[pakistanbest]

Yes her treatment is inhumane for sure. However being raped is almost always a part of imprisonment even in the Us. Even American MEN get raped for a crime much less serious than linking with Al Qaeda or shooting anyone.

So what type of perverted country is America? issed: issed:

absolutely disgusting to hear that this is normal, Americans are the biggest enemies of this world

 

[zimmz]

Thats been the biggest hypocrisy of the allied forces. However if I was a MIT graduate I wouldn't be purchasing hi-tech military equipment and donating funds to any organization with an 'al' in it, specially after 9/11. What kind of treatment was Dr. Siddiqui expecting?

Also you conveniently ignored the very first post of this thread where I mentioned how a British woman was treated by very same òrganization with an 'al' in it. What kind of treatment that British woman was expecting after caught spying?

Do you see such an example from so called allied forces?

 

[161]

Dr. Siddiqui: The Facts

Here is a good article that summarizes the facts of the case -


Mystery of Siddiqui disappearance

By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Islamabad

Aafia Siddiqui
Some reports say Aafia Siddiqui was part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell

Aafia Siddiqui, whom the US accuses of al-Qaeda links, vanished in Karachi with her three children on 30 March 2003.

The next day it was reported in local newspapers that a woman had been taken into custody on terrorism charges.

Initially, confirmation came from a Pakistan interior ministry spokesman.

But a couple of days later, both the Pakistan government and the FBI publicly denied having anything to do with her disappearance.

Two days after Aafia Siddiqui went missing, "a man wearing a motor-bike helmet" arrived at the Siddiqui home in Karachi, her mother told the BBC.

"He did not take off the helmet, but told me that if I ever wanted to see my daughter and grandchildren again, I should keep quiet," Ms Siddiqui's mother told me over the phone in 2003.

The mother, who has since died, also related the affair to other newspapers.

But the government continued to deny having anything to do with her daughter's disappearance.

This is despite the fact that Mrs Siddiqui's other daughter, Fauzia, says she was told by then Interior Minister Syed Faisal Saleh Hayat in 2004 that her sister had been released and would return home shortly.

Research at the time refused to turn up anything on the status of Aafia Siddiqui - she was not listed as wanted by any federal or Pakistani agency.

At that point, it seemed she had vanished off the face of the earth.

Islamic activities

Aafia Siddiqui is the youngest of three children of a British-trained doctor.

Her brother is an architect based in Houston, while Fauzia is a neurologist who used to work at Mount Sinai hospital in New York.

Aafia Siddiqui went to school in Karachi and graduated with a biology degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the US.



It was during this time that she got actively involved in on-campus Islamic activities.

A fellow Pakistani student recalls her as being one of the "hello, brother" types.

"They were the ones with scarves who used to get after us to come to the association meetings," the student, Hamza, told the BBC.

"I remember Aafia as being sweet, mildly irritating but harmless. You would run into her now and then distributing pamphlets."

After graduation, Aafia Siddiqui married Muhammad Amjad Khan, a young Pakistani doctor in Boston.

She continued with her studies, enrolling in Brandeis University near Boston for a PhD in neuro-cognitive science. Her degree has often been misreported as being in microbiology or genetics.

US discrimination

At that time, her main problems arose from married life. She and her husband argued over where to bring up their children.

"Aafia wanted them to be brought up in the US and receive a Western education, but Amjad was against it," her mother said in 2003.

The 11 September 2001 attacks in the US changed everything. Her husband was detained by the FBI for questioning.


The reason was his purchase of night vision goggles, body armour and military manuals.

He is said to have told the FBI it was for big-game hunting.

Aafia Siddiqui was also questioned briefly, but later released, as was her husband.

Soon, they decided to return to Pakistan, citing the increasing discrimination against Muslims in the US following the 9/11 attacks.

In Pakistan, the already estranged couple soon separated, and they divorced in 2002, while she was pregnant with their third child.

Following the birth, Aafia Siddiqui worked briefly in Baltimore, US, before returning to Pakistan in December 2002, where she disappeared months later.

Mounting charges

Various theories about her disappearance started to appear in international and local publications.

The first of these was on 23 June 2003 - three months after her disappearance - in Newsweek.

An investigative report, calling her a micro-biologist, said she and her husband were part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell.

In Baltimore, she is alleged to have opened a mailbox for a suspected al-Qaeda operative now in Guantanamo Bay.

Majid Khan has been accused of planning to blow up petrol stations across the US.


Fauzia Siddiqui
It is always believed one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round
Dr Fauzia Siddiqui

The charges started to mount.

In 2004 then-FBI director Robert Mueller announced at a press conference that Aafia Siddiqui was wanted for questioning.

She was later named as part of an alleged al-Qaeda diamond smuggling operation in Liberia.

Publications such as Newsweek quoted the FBI as saying this was to finance al-Qaeda's biological and chemical weapons programme.

After that, her name remained on the list of disappeared - until she surfaced last month in Afghanistan in US military custody.

Sister speaks out

Aafia Siddiqui is now in the US facing charges of assaulting and attempting to kill US personnel while in detention in Afghanistan.

The FBI has been unable to make any of the other charges stick.

"It is always believed one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round," her sister, Fauzia, told reporters in Karachi on Tuesday.

She added that every time she had met US officials, they had said they had never formally accused Aafia Siddiqui of being a terrorist.

Ex-security officials also point out that if Ms Siddiqui was detained for being a terror suspect, her ex-husband, who is free, should have been too.

Why, then, would Aafia Siddiqui have been arrested and kept in secret confinement for so long?

The answer may lie in her relationship with the family of alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Aafia Siddiqui is said to have married Ali Abd'al Aziz Ali, one of his nephews following her divorce.

Although her family denies this, the BBC has been able to confirm it from security sources and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's family.

It is an open secret in Karachi, that any member of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's family deemed to be "a 1% threat to US security" is in American custody.

That may be the only "crime" that Aafia Siddiqui has committed.

In the eyes of US and Pakistani security officials, it was apparently too big to ignore.

 

[WasimG]

No offense but If your mother or sister was in her position and found guilty, you would have no problem if they were raped and tortured 5 years in jail?

And here we go with the personal attacks.

Listen you sensitive little flower, unless your mother or sister is jailed and raped for 5 years, you dont have to pretend you feel the same for this lady just cuz she has a dopatta on her head. As for my family, nobody has sympathies with Al Qaeda, funding suspicious mullahs and let alone shopping for military equipment.

 

[pakistanbest]

And here we go with the personal attacks.

Listen you sensitive little flower, unless your mother or sister is jailed and raped for 5 years, you dont have to pretend you feel the same for this lady just cuz she has a dopatta on her head. As for my family, nobody has sympathies with Al Qaeda, funding suspicious mullahs and let alone shopping for military equipment.

ur jumping the gun mate, she has not been found guilty yet so hold ur horses.

guys please dont go in to the personal attacks

 

[WasimG]

Also you conveniently ignored the very first post of this thread where I mentioned how a British woman was treated by very same òrganization with an 'al' in it. What kind of treatment that British woman was expecting after caught spying?

Do you see such an example from so called allied forces?

So whats you point, other than supporting al qaeda? Why dont you donate them with your debit card too?

 

[McBoom]

Hold you speech till she's proven innocent, Oxy bhai. The torture and rape is deplorable and shameful, but not one person has asked if she really is linked to Al-Qaeda and have committed any crimes, almost as if thats irrelevant. I know we look at her pic and we think of our mothers and sisters but our mothers and sisters dont have links with Al Qaeda and plan attacks on soldiers. Random Pakistanis dont get abducted and sent to Afghan prison, even if the punishment is harsh, there must be a reason she was prisoned and not some random Maasee Museebtee. She could've done something stupid to have ended up like this, and she might even be regretting it now.

Do you know what are the charges against her before declaring her an Al-Qaida terrorist?

Even the US is prosecuting her for shooting at the soldiers and NOT for any Al Qaeda fundings or terrorist activities. And even those charges are laughable as they claim that she was found in July08 just hanging around infront of the governor's house in Afghanistan with a bunch of explosive recipes in her bag. I mean who is the retard making up these stories. And when intorrogated she managed to get hold of a rifle and shot at the interrogators but surprisingly missed the target. I am sure if she attended some "terrorist camp" then she wouldn't have missed three shots at almost point blank range.

You justifying her bieng treated like that just exposes you more and nothing more than that.

 

[the Great Khan]

So wasimG is letting his mouth loose again!!..what a frickin surprise..now hold on guys..wasimG knows whats best!!...according to our resident know it all(another one to add to the numerous experts we have on our esteemed site), now correct me if im wrong wasim sahib, but according to you Dr afia:

a) if proven guilty does not deserve your sympathy...
b) she as a Muslim woman does not deserve your sympathy even though she has been raped, tortured, humiliated,degraded,treated like an animal...
c)her children are either dead or in the "care" of karzais numerous homosexual animals in some kabul dungeon..yet you have no sympathy for her...
d) her mental state is probably indescribable...but you have no sympathy for her
e) she is innocent...yet you have no sympathy for her...

In Islam mercy is a key component...yet you display all the hallmarks of a person who's heart has been turned to stone or is so blinded by your hidden hatred for islam that any mention or sympathy shown by people for a devout Muslim must be a mistake or be ridiculed...

lets get one thing straight, if your stupid enough to believe that for five years this woman has been secretly plotting a major attack, while fending off rabid rapists and torturers, who has probably seen two out of three of her children either killed in front of her or taken to be sex slaves, (one was three months by the way) then dear boy you are a sick, stupid ,ignorant human being who will understand what it means to even contemplate the death of ones child when you actually bother to settle down with someone who will actually tolerate your acute pigheaded arrogance and bear you some children!!!!

 

[pakistanbest]

So wasimG is letting his mouth loose again!!..what a frickin surprise..now hold on guys..wasimG knows whats best!!...according to our resident know it all(another one to add to the numerous experts we have on our esteemed site), now correct me if im wrong wasim sahib, but according to you Dr afia:

a) if proven guilty does not deserve your sympathy...
b) she as a Muslim woman does not deserve your sympathy even though she has been raped, tortured, humiliated,degraded,treated like an animal...
c)her children are either dead or in the "care" of karzais numerous homosexual animals in some kabul dungeon..yet you have no sympathy for her...
d) her mental state is probably indescribable...but you have no sympathy for her
e) she is innocent...yet you have no sympathy for her...

In Islam mercy is a key component...yet you display all the hallmarks of a person who's heart has been turned to stone or is so blinded by your hidden hatred for islam that any mention or sympathy shown by people for a devout Muslim must be a mistake or be ridiculed...

lets get one thing straight, if your stupid enough to believe that for five years this woman has been secretly plotting a major attack, while fending off rabid rapists and torturers, who has probably seen two out of three of her children either killed in front of her or taken to be sex slaves, (one was three months by the way) then dear boy you are a sick, stupid ,ignorant human being who will understand what it means to even contemplate the death of ones child when you actually bother to settle down with someone who will actually tolerate your acute pigheaded arrogance and bear you some children!!!!

hear hear WasimG, i dont know how u can justify ur comments cause they are shocking TGK's post is one i fully agree with

no offense but Wasimg, have a heart mate

 

[McBoom]

Another point that I would like to highlight by our so called "thinker" and bastion of human rights here on PP:

Random Pakistanis dont get abducted and sent to Afghan prison, even if the punishment is harsh, there must be a reason she was prisoned and not some random Maasee Museebtee.

Based on my personal esperience I know for a fact that random Pakistanis do get abducted so why don't you shut up because you are making a fool out of yourself.

 

[pakistanbest]

does anyone have any idea when the trial will finish?

 

[Little Master]

Media accuses Al Qaida of being inhumane to be quite honest America itself is no different, they just have the backing of media which portrays it as the savior of the free world.

 

[12thMan]

I have watched GEO news for last one hour and no mention. Last 5 minutes have been premier of Chicago stage show (and if you watch it you will feel like you are in some Chicago alley/street) and premier of some Indian movie.

Ofcourse there were couple of GEO promotionals because they care

 

[Saj]

A US judge has ordered that a Pakistani scientist accused of having links to the al-Qaeda leadership should receive urgent medical care.

Aafia Siddiqui has been charged with attempting to kill US troops sent to arrest her in Afghanistan last month.

She appeared at a bail hearing in New York in a wheelchair and looking frail.

Ms Siddiqui was reported to have been shot during the arrest and her lawyers say she has not received medical attention while in custody.

One of her lawyers, Elizabeth Fink, told the judge that Ms Siddiqui, 36, should be taken out of custody and to a hospital.

"She's been here for one week and hasn't seen a doctor, even though they know she has been shot," said Ms Fink.

Another lawyer for Ms Siddiqui, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, said the defendant had been left with large stitches on her torso following surgery and could be suffering from internal bleeding.

"She is complaining of abdominal pain. She understands she lost part of an intestine," said Ms Whitfield Sharp.

US Magistrate Judge Henry Pitman granted the request for medical attention and said Ms Siddiqui should be seen by doctors within 24 hours.

Prosecutor Christopher LaVigne said that the situation was "complicated" and that Ms Siddiqui should be considered a "high-security risk" because of her alleged attack on US personnel.

Ms Fink responded by telling the court: "This is a person who can't walk".

Ms Siddiqui faces 20 years in prison if convicted, but her lawyers have dismissed the charges as ridiculous.

Rights groups say she has spent the last five years in secret US jails.

Torture claims

The US say Ms Siddiqui was married to a nephew of the man accused of masterminding the 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The mother-of-three, an ex-student at the elite Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), did not enter a plea at a preliminary hearing on 5 August.

The FBI says Ms Siddiqui was apprehended on 17 July in the Afghan province of Ghazni by local security forces who allegedly found documents including recipes for explosives and chemical weapons in her handbag.

US army officers and FBI agents visited her in detention on 18 July, they say, alleging she seized a US officer's M-4 rifle from behind a screen before opening fire on the Americans.



Aafia Siddiqui's sister, Fauzia, calls for a fair trial
She missed, and was reportedly overpowered after being shot in the chest by US servicemen.

Ms Whitfield Sharp has dismissed the charges as "a tall story" and has said claims by the US that her client had been in hiding for several years were "not credible".

According to her family, Ms Siddiqui has not been seen since returning to Pakistan on a visit from the US in 2003.

They say she is "innocent of any crime" and deny that she has connections to al-Qaeda.

Her sister, Fauzia Siddiqui, claimed in news conference last week that Ms Siddiqui had been tortured for five years before being found by US troops.

A new date for the preliminary hearing has been set for 3 September.

Pakistan's foreign ministry has said they will continue to seek consular access to Ms Siddiqui and are "committed to bringing back all Pakistani detainees".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7555628.stm

 

[mumtaz]

Jailed Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui a 'treasure trove' of information WASHINGTON, Aug 13 (AFP): Jailed Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui, charged with trying to murder US officials in Afghanistan, is a “terrorist Mata Hari” and “treasure trove” of information on Al Qaeda, US officials said in a media report Tuesday. “She is the most significant capture in five years,” former CIA agent John Kiriakou told ABC News, adding that she lives up to her reputation as an “alleged terrorist Mata Hari.” Siddiqui, 36, a frail mother of three who graduated with honors from the Massachussetts Institute of Technology, was arrested July 17 in Afghanistan, extradited to New York August 4 and indicted the next day on attempted murder. When she was arrested in Afghanistan, she was in possession of bomb-making instructions, suspicious liquids and, according to ABC, “a one gigabyte digital media storage device” containing emails between terrorist cells. Citing sources involved in the investigation, ABC said Siddiqui was also carrying maps and information concerning potential “targets in New York City that... included the subway, Times Square and the Statute of Liberty.” As well, she carried “documents detailing United States military assets” and detailed chemical, biological and radiological weapon information. The information found on Siddiqui has led government sources to describe her as a potential “treasure trove” of information on terrorist supporters, sympathizers or sleeper cells in the United States and overseas, according to ABC. (Posted @ 10:10 PST)




Doctor examines Aafia Siddiqui NEW YORK, Aug 13 (Reuters): Pakistani scientist Dr. Aafia Siddiqui suspected of links to Al Qaeda and accused of trying to kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan was examined by a doctor on Tuesday after complaining of pain from gunshot wounds, her lawyer, Elaine Sharp, said. Siddiqui, 36, was ordered by a judge to receive urgent medical treatment after she appeared in court in a wheelchair and had been held in custody for a week without seeing a doctor. “She was examined for abdominal pain related to gunshot wounds,” Sharp said. The physician's report found no visible signs of infection but ordered a CT scan, according to Sharp, who said her client had stitches down the front of her torso from major surgery. Siddiqui was shot in the abdomen last month when the United States said she tried to fire on a group of American troops who wanted to question her in Afghanistan's Ghazni province. (Posted @ 10:35 PST)

 

[switchblade]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

 

[the Great Khan]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

kyon teray baap nay tujay evidence diya hay kya??...she's innocent..there is no evidence whatsoever that she was an AQ member!!...its a cooked up story!!

 

[mumtaz]

Actually its pretty obvious that it is a cooked up story that they are presenting, at least the part about her being arrested only about a month back and then her attacking the soldiers during interrogation. Secondly, her being linked to Al-Qaeda in almost all probability is also not true, otherwise those charges would have been brought in court, not this made-up nonsense.

I think what probably happened was that she was, like so many others, picked up in error and the US didnt want to accept their mistake, so she was kept in Afghanistan for so long. Only once her whereabouts became known i.e. Prisoner 650 in Bagram, was she taken out and brought to court.

 

[mamoo gogo]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

you really are thick...

 

[pakistanbest]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

r u ok in the head? it seems ur a bit Fkd up n da head issed:

 

[Savak]

First of all. This is an insult to the entire Muslim Nation that America has been raping, sexually abusing, molesting, torturing her for the last 5 years and no one knew about it. We dont know the real charge sheet against her. America just picked her up in front of her kids and locked her up without a trial, no chargesheet nothing and also took her kids and we the Muslim Nation did nothing. Absolute disgrace, no words to describe it.

I dont trust the bloody Americans at all. With their disgraceful human rights record. The Taliban treated the female prisoner so hospitably that she embraced Islam afterwards. Depressing times for Muslims.

 

[pakistanbest]

First of all. This is an insult to the entire Muslim Nation that America has been raping, sexually abusing, molesting, torturing her for the last 5 years and no one knew about it. We dont know the real charge sheet against her. America just picked her up in front of her kids and locked her up without a trial, no chargesheet nothing and also took her kids and we the Muslim Nation did nothing. Absolute disgrace, no words to describe it.

I dont trust the bloody Americans at all. With their disgraceful human rights record. The Taliban treated the female prisoner so hospitably that she embraced Islam afterwards. Depressing times for Muslims.

i agree, the Americans are dirty bstrds and do anything to anyone and get away with it, their will be a day when they regret it issed: issed:

 

[mumtaz]

First of all. This is an insult to the entire Muslim Nation that America has been raping, sexually abusing, molesting, torturing her for the last 5 years and no one knew about it. We dont know the real charge sheet against her. America just picked her up in front of her kids and locked her up without a trial, no chargesheet nothing and also took her kids and we the Muslim Nation did nothing. Absolute disgrace, no words to describe it.

I dont trust the bloody Americans at all. With their disgraceful human rights record. The Taliban treated the female prisoner so hospitably that she embraced Islam afterwards. Depressing times for Muslims.

Just for the record, Taliban's human rights record is nothing to be spoken highly about either. The way they treated the Afghan people especially the female population, closing down schools, lashing people including women on the streets, forcing down other peoples throats their own distorted version of Islam, speaks volumes about their brutal and tyrannical rule.

 

[McBoom]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

Is this meant to be a joke?? If it is then its not funny.

And if its not a joke then you are stupid.

 

[Savak]

Just for the record, Taliban's human rights record is nothing to be spoken highly about either. The way they treated the Afghan people especially the female population, closing down schools, lashing people including women on the streets, forcing down other peoples throats their own distorted version of Islam, speaks volumes about their brutal and tyrannical rule.

I dont deny that but i am sorry, the US shouldnt boast about how perfects its human rights record and way of life is when they treat women like Aafia Siddiqui like this. I once saw pics of American troops gang raping an Iraqi woman in prison and it boiled my blood like anything. Things like that are what create and fuel terrorism.

Unless the Americans take a deep long look at themselves and properly justly address their double standards, human rights violations, and biased, third class policies of treating Muslims in general, they are just wasting their time on these millitary conquests and adventures. They are just throwing money into a bottomless pit and sending their soldiers to pointless, meaning less death for economic resources, strategic advantage you name it.

For every person they kill, they create another 10 and the cycle goes on.

 

[Savak]

Well, it sucks the way they treated her coz she seems educated and they could do such things becoz she is from a poor, non-white country.... but alas she turned out to be a cheap ho working for Al-Qaeda... no pity... hang her asap after draining her brain juices of vital info.

Headshot Switchblade lol

Seriously, do you even mean all that. The Americans kidnapped her and her kids in 2003 and are now telling the courts they arrested her in Afghanistan while the fact is she was in Bagram in their custody for 5 long years. Shes been a forgotten victim all these years.

 

[mumtaz]

I dont deny that but i am sorry, the US shouldnt boast about how perfects its human rights record and way of life is when they treat women like Aafia Siddiqui like this. I once saw pics of American troops gang raping an Iraqi woman in prison and it boiled my blood like anything. Things like that are what create and fuel terrorism.

Unless the Americans take a deep long look at themselves and properly justly address their double standards, human rights violations, and biased, third class policies of treating Muslims in general, they are just wasting their time on these millitary conquests and adventures. They are just throwing money into a bottomless pit and sending their soldiers to pointless, meaning less death for economic resources, strategic advantage you name it.

For every person they kill, they create another 10 and the cycle goes on.

Agreed 200%.