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England vs Bangladesh is proof we must play Shadab Khan

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Wickets are needed. Bangladesh look tame without any wicket taking bowlers apart from Fizz. If we don't play Shadab, his replacement will just get hammered because they won't have the skill to restrict opponents and pick up wickets be it Wahab or Faheem.

At least with Shadab, yes he may go for a bit economically BUT he'll create chances, regardless of how 'well' India, SL, SA play spin.

I feel that Amir and Hassn are both our main wicket taking options but if we don't back Shadab, we'll just be looking like Bangladesh: literally just trying to restrict runs (which isn't a bad thing) than take wickets (which gets more wickets/stymie the flow of runs).
 
I think the opposite Its the exact reason why we should pack the batting with batsman n hitters because theres nothing in these pitches for bowlers esp spinners
 
Haha, it proved the opposite. We do not want to make the same mistake we made at Adelaide by playing Yasir Shah against India. We need to go with Hasan, Junaid, Amir, Fahim, Imad as our bowling lineup with overs from Hafeez and Malik if needed.
 
Bangladesh is also suffering because of Shakib`s bad form hopefully we are not carrying anyone without form.
 
True, but Pakistan lack power hitters. We have to look for wickets, and a wristy spinner would be the way to go. Plus it's not like Shadab lacks confidence. It's not like Wahab or Faheem will be more effective.
 
Head to head Yasir was the better bowler in West Indies and look how he was treated by Indian batsmen.
 
Commander said:
Haha, it proved the opposite. We do not want to make the same mistake we made at Adelaide by playing Yasir Shah against India. We need to go with Hasan, Junaid, Amir, Fahim, Imad as our bowling lineup with overs from Hafeez and Malik if needed.
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I don't think Shah is compatable for ODIs.
 
Shadab is a good enough batsman and bowler. Add great value to the side. Should definitely play. I want Fahim too but we have seen very less of him how good his hitting is.
 
idrizzy said:
Why are you comparing Shah vs Shadab in a Test match? And then Yasir in ODIs? He was never suited to this format.
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Because you are talking about a wicket taking option. Indians are much better at playing spin and will not give away their wickets easily.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Because you are talking about a wicket taking option. Indians are much better at playing spin and will not give away their wickets easily.
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They haven't faced Shadab. And Yasir doesn't use a lot of variation hence why he's not suited to LOIs. As much as they are good at playing spin (tbh I think they're overrated as good players of spin much like the rest of the SC), they're not immune either.

Either way it's not like Wahab and Faheem will pose a better threat.
 
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Syed1 said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2016/engine/current/match/951329.html


India destroyed by McCullum, Santner and Sodhi at home around same time last year.

:salute
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Thats nz not pakistan, when was the last time a pakistani spinner ran through an indian lineup in an odi?

Over the last 10 years pakistani spinners maybe bar ajmal once or twice have been cannon fodder for indian batsmen whenever they played

And anyway shadabs batting is untested at this level Fahim at least has shown the capability in the warmups that he can hit which pakistan desperately needs lower down

The bowling lineup below is the way to go with the emphasis on the batting n batting deep not bowling

hafeez (5)
malik (3)
imad (7)
fahim (5)
amir (10)
hasan (10)
junaid (10)
 
Zaz said:
Thats nz not pakistan, when was the last time a pakistani spinner ran through an indian lineup in an odi?

Over the last 10 years pakistani spinners maybe bar ajmal once or twice have been cannon fodder for indian batsmen whenever they played

And anyway shadabs batting is untested at this level Fahim at least has shown the capability in the warmups that he can hit which pakistan desperately needs lower down

The bowling lineup below is the way to go with the emphasis on the batting n batting deep not bowling

hafeez (5)
malik (3)
imad (7)
fahim (5)
amir (10)
hasan (10)
junaid (10)
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So Hafeez + Malik + Fahim that is 13 overs (as per you) of toothless, defensive bowling, versus 10 overs of attacking, wicket-taking Shadab? I know which one I'd prefer.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Come on 1 game doesn't make a trend. Historically the Indian batsmen have been good against spin. With pitches unlikely to support bowlers in this tournament I am not sure if playing SK makes a lot of sense.
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From a bowling standpoint playing SK makes more sense than Fahim. Yes, Fahim provides that batting depth but his bowling is club level. We saw that in both warmup matches. If we want to go with a long batting lineup and defensive bowling than we can select Fahim otherwise I would select Shadab.

You tell me which option is better, a spinner who can possibly trouble India because he is very good, or a medium pacer who will never trouble India?
 
England vs Bangladesh is proof we must play Shadab Khan
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On these flat docile English wickets ypu cannot expect a bowler to win the tournament for you.

The batsmen will you to win it for you
 
"I am beginning to think an attacking, wicket-taking spinner will be essential. Even 3-75/80 may not be as bad as hitherto imagined".

Harsha Bhogle after CT opener.
 
Having as many wicket taking options is the way to go for Pakistan, so Amir, Hassan, Junaid, Shadab and Imad is the best combo we can get from the current squad. Fahim's bowling may even cost us the game.
 
Nope I don't think so.

Today's match 8 wickets were taken. All of which where gifted by the batsmen.

It's all about luck really and the ability to deal with pressure.
 
what the match shows is that we need batsmen and hitters because no matter which bowler we play, we will be chasing 300+ (or at least will have to defend it)
 
Can't see Shadab doing much vs India whereas Fahim might score crucial runs. If we don't play Fahim our batting is completely lightweight.
 
[MENTION=142991]TahirFan[/MENTION] put it beautifully. You need batsmen to win this tournament, not bowlers. Which is why I think you play both Fahim and Shadab because of their hitting abilities and drop Hafeez. Open with Captain Sahib Sarfi and Shezzy the selfie, followed by Azam, Harry, Malik AKA India ka daddy, Maddie, Shady, Fahim, Amir, Junaid and Hasan. This batting line up gives you incredible depth and a lot explosiveness (hopefully).
 
Commander said:
Haha, it proved the opposite. We do not want to make the same mistake we made at Adelaide by playing Yasir Shah against India. We need to go with Hasan, Junaid, Amir, Fahim, Imad as our bowling lineup with overs from Hafeez and Malik if needed.
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Instead of fahim and imad, better to spice up with pacy wahab and attacking shadab...

To me Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Wahab, Shadab is the best way to go for the bowling department.. If wahab can stem his no-balls and bouncing wayward then would be a nightmare to face an over full of bouncers steaming in at 145+ kph continuously targeting the throat of the batsmen... Indians doesnt like to face more pacers in alien conditions....best way to defeat india is to play 5 seamers who can make the ball swing seam and bounce at good pace...
 
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GLORY OF '92 said:
Can't see Shadab doing much vs India whereas Fahim might score crucial runs. If we don't play Fahim our batting is completely lightweight.
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you are one bowler short if fahim is bowling instead of shadab.... and if fahim fails with the bat then would turn out to be the worst of all selections....
 
fasihulhaq94 said:
what the match shows is that we need batsmen and hitters because no matter which bowler we play, we will be chasing 300+ (or at least will have to defend it)
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bowling department from both the teams today were not good and not upto int'l standard...

woakes who can swing the ball at pace was heavily missed, after he walked off the field due to injury...

wood is better version of wahab for england... moeen ali is not the frontline spinner also adil rashid isnt...david willey is also missed... today if david wiley , woakes, wood and plunkett were bowling then bangla boys would have bowled out for less than 200 or 250 for sure...wiley gets a breakthrough within his first 3 overs, woakes will swing it both ways....

bangladesh except mustafiz none of them looked intimidating to the opponents with the ball and they are also one bowler short...

tomorrow's match with starc, hazlewood, cummins and pattinson; southee,boult,milne/mcclenaghan; would tell a different story
 
ExpressPacer said:
[MENTION=142991]TahirFan[/MENTION] put it beautifully. You need batsmen to win this tournament, not bowlers. Which is why I think you play both Fahim and Shadab because of their hitting abilities and drop Hafeez. Open with Captain Sahib Sarfi and Shezzy the selfie, followed by Azam, Harry, Malik AKA India ka daddy, Maddie, Shady, Fahim, Amir, Junaid and Hasan. This batting line up gives you incredible depth and a lot explosiveness (hopefully).
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I stopped reading at "drop Hafeez."
:ma
 
Syed1 said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2016/engine/current/match/951329.html


India destroyed by McCullum, Santner and Sodhi at home around same time last year.

:salute
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At the same time, Imran Tahir has always given trouble to Indian as well. Leg spin with excellent googlie is very different type of bowler. Yasir is not suited for ODI, because he does not have variety and he does not spins the ball...Shadab is more like Imran, he will be successful in LOIs, also look at IPL, Imran and Kamran(from Afg) were successful, because of googlie...

Between Immad and Shadab, I would definitely pick Shadab, Immad is too ordinary for Indian lineup, he just darts the ball, that works against western team but not against asian... Pakistan needs a wicket taking bowler in middle overs, otherwise 220/2 at 36/37 over, means 340/350, game over for us. Even while chasing, wicket taking options has to be there... Amir,Hasan, Shadab are genuine wicket takers, they all must play!! - In this tournament, matches are going to be win by team, that take wickets in middle over and can have lid on death, for that you need bowlers not 3/4 allrounders!! - Allrounder are there to complete the over quote, you don't want that on modern day cricket, otherwise 350 won't be safe :acp:
 
Syed1 said:
From a bowling standpoint playing SK makes more sense than Fahim. Yes, Fahim provides that batting depth but his bowling is club level. We saw that in both warmup matches. If we want to go with a long batting lineup and defensive bowling than we can select Fahim otherwise I would select Shadab.

You tell me which option is better, a spinner who can possibly trouble India because he is very good, or a medium pacer who will never trouble India?
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Yes I will play Shadab Khan not because he will trouble the Indian batsmen but because our other options are just rubbish.
 
Shadab should definitely play, his batting hasn't been able to be shown but he can play good, attacking shots as well. Fahim is not worth dropping your attacking leg spinner for.
 
In terms of pure bowling ability, I would also like to play Shadab but in place of Imad. Sunday is probably going to be overcast, and coupled with the general Indian prowess against spin, you have to back the 4 fast bowler strategy. If you think Fahim is not good enough as a fourth seamer, play Wahab but you need to have four seam options.

I think Shadab would actually not play and Pakistan will go with Imad because one of the allrounders has to bat at 7 and neither Shadab nor Fahim seem ready for that.
 
I would play him because he has an innate confidence but if it is overcast we may need 4 seamers
 
Syed1 said:
From a bowling standpoint playing SK makes more sense than Fahim. Yes, Fahim provides that batting depth but his bowling is club level. We saw that in both warmup matches. If we want to go with a long batting lineup and defensive bowling than we can select Fahim otherwise I would select Shadab.

You tell me which option is better, a spinner who can possibly trouble India because he is very good, or a medium pacer who will never trouble India?
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Agreed. Also Imads darts won't be of any use in an attacking sense. Shadab should play and be used as an attacking option.
 
Syed1 said:
From a bowling standpoint playing SK makes more sense than Fahim. Yes, Fahim provides that batting depth but his bowling is club level. We saw that in both warmup matches. If we want to go with a long batting lineup and defensive bowling than we can select Fahim otherwise I would select Shadab.

You tell me which option is better, a spinner who can possibly trouble India because he is very good, or a medium pacer who will never trouble India?
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Right, so why should Junaid play?
 
Abdullah said:
I would play him because he has an innate confidence but if it is overcast we may need 4 seamers
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If it's overcast there's not much reason to believe Junaid will be better than Fahim and quite a lot to suggest he might be better.
 
Against India - Fahim must start.

Would rather use Shadab as a surprise package in the SF or Final.
 
No point of playing Imad Wasim. He is out of form. Shadab should do leg spin while there is Hafeez and Malik to do some off spin as well.
Since it fast bowling friendly pitch, thus play Fahim as well.

Amir (10)
Junaid (10)
Hasan (10)
Shadab (10)
Fahim (6)
Hafeez (4)
Malik (to stop runs)
 
Playing Shadab is a gamble but then again there are many potential gambles for the 4th.

Shadab. Attacking option but can be neutralized by Indians.
Fahim. Can be handy in lower order but then again his bowling didn't look up to mark and can go for plenty.
Fakhar. Can keep Sharjeel's pace but can be a sitting duck against new ball as well.
Haris. Can provide much needed stability to our middle order but his form is still untested.

So the question is which gamble you want to make? I still believe that a potent bowling attack would be more beneficial to us than our batting. It therefore is imperative that we play Shadab. It's the only X factor we have. For that to happen, Imad has to be benched.

My team would be

Azhar
Hafeez
Babar
Sarfaraz / Haris
Haris / Sarfaraz
Malik
Shadab
Fahim
Hassan
Aamir
Junaid

P. S. You can always go for 7th batsman instead of a bowler and manage 5th bowler from Hafeez/Haris/Fakhar/Malik but guessing the defensive mentality of management, that is not going to happen.
 
last_knight said:
"I am beginning to think an attacking, wicket-taking spinner will be essential. Even 3-75/80 may not be as bad as hitherto imagined".

Harsha Bhogle after CT opener.
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Yes he is assuming teams will be making 330.
If pak bat 50 times they will make 330 twice
 
From the weather forecast it looks like rain will definitely have a say. No point playing a wrist spinner in wet conditions.
 
Playing him is a no-brainer.

The rest of our spinners are containment bowlers.

We need at least one wicket taking spinner to bowl the middle overs.
 
...you can add SA vs SL on the title here too.

Not saying Shadab is anywhere near the levels of Tahir but wicket takers take wickets!
 
idrizzy said:
...you can add SA vs SL on the title here too.

Not saying Shadab is anywhere near the levels of Tahir but wicket takers take wickets!
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Spot on !!

Quality leg-spinners take the pitch out of the equation and Shadab's skills are more than quality, having watched cricket closely since 1996, I think he is the best prospect of Pakistan since Mohammad Asif.
 
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