"Even Pakistan and Afghanistan handled Covid better than India" : Rahul Gandhi

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another solid achievement by the BJP government. <br><br>Even Pakistan and Afghanistan handled Covid better than India. <a href="https://t.co/C2kILrvWUG">pic.twitter.com/C2kILrvWUG</a></p>— Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahulGandhi/status/1316942009224122368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He isn't wrong.

 

[MenInG]

Think we cannot compare the dynamics of both countries.

Just the size of population makes a huge difference in transmission of this virus.

 

[Giannis]

Think we cannot compare the dynamics of both countries.

Just the size of population makes a huge difference in transmission of this virus.

No, Pakistan is also over populated with high population density. The problem is Modi opted for a full national lockdown which hurt India's economy whereas Imran Khan went for a 'smart lockdown' which focused on locking down specific areas where outbreaks were reported.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He's right but can anyone explain how did Pakistan end up controlling it after it got out of hand?

Like what steps did they take at that point?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Think we cannot compare the dynamics of both countries.

Just the size of population makes a huge difference in transmission of this virus.

Yeah but Pakistan is densely populated too.

And the virus wasn't stopped at an early stage.

So how did they get the situation under control assuming data isn't being manipulated at a mass scale?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No, Pakistan is also over populated with high population density. The problem is Modi opted for a full national lockdown which hurt India's economy whereas Imran Khan went for a 'smart lockdown' which focused on locking down specific areas where outbreaks were reported.

This looks logical on the surface but it doesn't hold up.

If Pakistan prevented a massive outbreak, this would make sense.

But they didn't.

They pulled it back later on so how did that happen?

 

[Hornbill]

This looks logical on the surface but it doesn't hold up.

If Pakistan prevented a massive outbreak, this would make sense.

But they didn't.

They pulled it back later on so how did that happen?

Reduce the number of tests then you will have lower number of patients.

 

[gani999]

This looks logical on the surface but it doesn't hold up.

If Pakistan prevented a massive outbreak, this would make sense.

But they didn't.

They pulled it back later on so how did that happen?

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

 

[PakPremi]

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

What about comparison for number of deaths?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Think we cannot compare the dynamics of both countries.

Just the size of population makes a huge difference in transmission of this virus.

Don't be so harsh on Puppu Miggy, he is just maturing into a young man. Puppu has a long way to go, in 40 years time he will be an adult and ready to lead India..

 

[CricketCartoons]

Typical of indians across the political spectrum, and raga is no different, they look down upon Pakistan. "EVEN" Pakistan did this..

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Typical of indians across the political spectrum, and raga is no different, they look down upon Pakistan. "EVEN" Pakistan did this..

Haha yeah... Noticed that.. They don't even realize it.

 

[Hornbill]

What about comparison for number of deaths?

Interestingly number of deaths in Uttar pradesh which is more populated than pakistan is lower than pakistan's, people are deliberately discrediting the achievement of governments of both regions

 

[Xoib]

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

Yeah and no.
I agree that we are testing less then ideal but my father in law who is a doctor at the biggest hospital in Pakistan says in July they were in a quandary and were thinking converting other wards in to covid wards as well and then slowly the cases went down and by September even their 120 beds covid ward was struggling to fill 1/3 it's capacity.
You can hide cases you cannot hide deaths. Today a guy from chuhgtai labs came to do covid test in my house for my dad and he said the same thing that in June /July atleast 20/30,% all test came out positive and today its not more then 2-3 %

 

[MP2011]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another solid achievement by the BJP government. <br><br>Even Pakistan and Afghanistan handled Covid better than India. <a href="https://t.co/C2kILrvWUG">pic.twitter.com/C2kILrvWUG</a></p>— Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahulGandhi/status/1316942009224122368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Because we have a illiterate feku at helm of our affairs.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Reduce the number of tests then you will have lower number of patients.

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

Yeah they likely haven't tested enough but even that reason (while seeming logical) doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

If they didn't test enough to the point where they just have 600 cases while we have 50,000 cases everyday....then their overall count should be MUCH MUCH lower.

How did their numbers quickly pile up to 300,000 odd (with 6500 cases per day being peak) before slowing down to 600 cases per day now?

If this logic has to hold (given that Pakistan has over 300,000 cases)..

1. Either there was a rapid decline in testing once cases got out of hand (is there any chart pointing to this)

2. Or the testing remained the same but there was actual fraud where positive cases were marked negative (in which case, we would have seen a controversy by now).

 

[Slog]

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

Only you are being clueless here and showing that you literally have no understanding of how to interpret statistics.

 

[Nadeemp]

Sorry I don’t know much about this. Lets forget testing as Pakistan has hardly done testing So the infected cases number will be very low. Should we not just look at deaths? Big difference in deaths between India and pakistan. I have a friend who works for a media channel in Pakistan. . In May June I think I talked to him and he said the government had “suggested to the channel” to under report the cases/deaths. Do you guys think pakistan under reported the deaths? From whatever I saw in videos, india not pakistán were practicing social distancing or wearing masks that much. Hope doctors from Pakistan can shed some light.

 

[Nadeemp]

Sorry my question was. Should we not just look at # of deaths to compare?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Pappu and his idiotic twisted logic.

 

[Rohan]

He isn't wrong.

Yep, if Pappu says it, it must be true with eyes closed

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

Think you are being more clueless than pappu.


Just because you don't want to give credit to Pakistan for handling covid much better than India you are hiding behind 'low testing'. I'm sure all the praise Pakistan is getting from WHO and yesterday from a former US Secretary must all be incorrect because they are uninformed and only YOU are knowledgeable.


Pakistan curbed it once we formed the National Command Operation Center (NCOC) a couple of months into the pandemic. We were floundering before that and each province was trying to fend for it. The NCOC brought the provinces, federal government, armed forces and bureaucracy all on the same table under the chairmanship of Asad Umar, Imran Khan's right hand man. The NCOC used immensely data driven approach, and even AI to predict and monitor hot stops of covid outbreak down to mohallah level. The NCOC also kept tabs on bed occupancy and medical resources, staying ahead of the curve whenever need rose in an area and shuttling and shifting idle resources to places that need them from places that have spare capacity. The NCOC meets daily.


So when you and other Indians brush aside Pakistan's achievement and say 'even' Pakistan did better you are only showing your mentality.


Also just so you know lack of testing cannot hide dead bodies.

 

[MP2011]

Due to their pathological hatred for anything Pakistani and their devotion for the feku, clueless souls showing their ignorance about the fact that Covid could have been contained with competent governance something which is alien to feku in his 20 years 'public service' career.

 

[Xoib]

Yeah they likely haven't tested enough but even that reason (while seeming logical) doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

If they didn't test enough to the point where they just have 600 cases while we have 50,000 cases everyday....then their overall count should be MUCH MUCH lower.

How did their numbers quickly pile up to 300,000 odd (with 6500 cases per day being peak) before slowing down to 600 cases per day now?

If this logic has to hold (given that Pakistan has over 300,000 cases)..

1. Either there was a rapid decline in testing once cases got out of hand (is there any chart pointing to this)

2. Or the testing remained the same but there was actual fraud where positive cases were marked negative (in which case, we would have seen a controversy by now).

Trust me there was just rapid decline in cases I have a lot of family working in hospitals and around June time they were nervous that situation is about to go out of control and by August all were scratching heads that out of blue not only there is a rapid decline in people coming to get their test done there is also a big decline in cases that are coming out positive from these tests

 

[Bigboii]

The "even" part is the most pretentious thing thing I have ever heard

Pakistan literally bodied every other country with thier covid response including first world countries (wish Trump followed the Pakistani method)

One of the most smartest decisions of IKs administration and this "approach" they took would go down in history mark my words and this would/should be followed for future pandemics

Credit should be given to this administration for thier out of the box thinking and not just going of what "experts" were saying

Maybe I was wrong and youth brigade was right maybe the country is changing for the better let's see...
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] credit where due

 

[Star_Coffee]

Trust me there was just rapid decline in cases I have a lot of family working in hospitals and around June time they were nervous that situation is about to go out of control and by August all were scratching heads that out of blue not only there is a rapid decline in people coming to get their test done there is also a big decline in cases that are coming out positive from these tests

Absolutely true, been hearing the same from friends and families in healthcare

You can’t hide dead bodies.

BJP walay being BJP walay, brainwashed and hatred ingrained to the core.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Absolutely true, been hearing the same from friends and families in healthcare

You can’t hide dead bodies.

BJP walay being BJP walay, brainwashed and hatred ingrained to the core.

But again BJP walay also believed Pakistan were able to hide 300 plus dead bodies, lol

 

[Slog]

The simple fact is India has 100k+ dead and everyone knows it’s much more because bodies are hard to hide. Not same case in Pakistan. There was a May-June spike and hospital beds were backed up and the healthcare system wasn’t able to bear the brunt but since then it has progressively gotten better and if you have covid it’s very easy to get admitted if needed now. In Mumbai on the other hand...

 

[Pakpak]

Trust me there was just rapid decline in cases I have a lot of family working in hospitals and around June time they were nervous that situation is about to go out of control and by August all were scratching heads that out of blue not only there is a rapid decline in people coming to get their test done there is also a big decline in cases that are coming out positive from these tests

Yup I heard the same from family members who said lot of covid wards are emptier as the weeks go by.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Trust me there was just rapid decline in cases I have a lot of family working in hospitals and around June time they were nervous that situation is about to go out of control and by August all were scratching heads that out of blue not only there is a rapid decline in people coming to get their test done there is also a big decline in cases that are coming out positive from these tests

I see.... How did this come about tho?

 

[Xoib]

I see.... How did this come about tho?

I think it's a combination of good luck and some good thinking by the government. The strategy of identifying covid hot spots and locking those neighbourhoods before things went out of control certainly helped.

 

[Abdullah719]

Rahul Gandhi should be called Rahul Lahori, is he trying to contest polls in Pakistan? Asks Sambit Patra

NEW DELHI: Soon after Congress leader Shashi Tharoor’s criticism of the Union government on its handling of Covid-19, condition of Muslims and treatment meted to Indian citizens from the Northeast on a Pakistan-based platform, Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has rechristened Rahul Gandhi as Rahul Lahori.

BJP Spokesperson Sambit Patra today said that the way Congress leaders are demeaning the country on international platforms, especially in Pakistan, it seems Rahul Gandhi is vying to contest elections in Pakistan.

“Are you trying to contest elections from Pakistan? Please respond,” Patra asked.

“We in BJP will start calling him Rahul Lahori and henceforth I too will address Rahul Gandhi as Rahul Lahori. A debut rally for him has already been done in Pakistan by Tharoor,” the BJP leader added. The reaction of the BJP leader came after Tharoor’s reported comments at a virtual Lahore literary event.

Patra said that Indian National Congress will soon become Pakistan National Congress.

“They give a ticket to Jinnah’s supporter. I want to ask why is it necessary? Why would you cry about India in Lahore. We have no doubt that Rahul Gandhi hates India. This I am stating with full responsibility,” said Patra while briefing the media.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...an-asks-sambit-patra/articleshow/78730515.cms

 

[MP2011]

Pakistan is invoked, so elections must be round the corner.

 

[Itachi]

Death case not necessarily points towards not hiding the numbers.

For example, India has low death rate than European counties. Going by the logic above, if we reduce the number of testing, the infected numbers will also go down and since death rate is already low in comparison, it can be argued that India has curbed the positive graph.

But reality is different.

One can argue that severity of covid positive in Pakistan is low (hence low death rate), but that doesn't mean Pakistan has less number of patients.

 

[Slog]

Death case not necessarily points towards not hiding the numbers.

For example, India has low death rate than European counties. Going by the logic above, if we reduce the number of testing, the infected numbers will also go down and since death rate is already low in comparison, it can be argued that India has curbed the positive graph.

But reality is different.

One can argue that severity of covid positive in Pakistan is low (hence low death rate), but that doesn't mean Pakistan has less number of patients.

There’s definitely less number of critical patients who need to be hospitalized and the death rate per million of population (not positive tests so takes out testing) is significantly lower too. I think you can argue that Pakistan’s testing is low which is making situation look much better than it is but it’s without doubt Pakistan’s situation as of now is much better. (Cases are over the rise in past 10 days though.)

 

[Itachi]

There’s definitely less number of critical patients who need to be hospitalized and the death rate per million of population (not positive tests so takes out testing) is significantly lower too. I think you can argue that Pakistan’s testing is low which is making situation look much better than it is but it’s without doubt Pakistan’s situation as of now is much better. (Cases are over the rise in past 10 days though.)

Its certainly better. If managed on similar level, low populated countries will always have an advantage here in this case because the infection type will be similar to geometrical progression (in a very loose term) where one person may infect multiple.

If you have smaller sample size, it gives you the advantages. India, with its sheer population, should have been balanced out by the resources it should have had but being a third world country, it comes with its own price.

Moreover, in case of India, it was central gov who was making the policies (ministry of human affairs mostly) where as state gov were the executioner. Hence, the condition varied a lot from state to state. The feedback mechanism in both the gov should have been at par (so that changes in policies can take place) but I believe some state gov failed to handle properly.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pakistan hasn't tested enough. Period.

Their testing rate per million of population is among the lowest in the world.

It's the same for Afghanistan.

Pappu being clueless as usual.

If that was the case then we would have had 100 and thousands of fatally infected people ending up in the ER and hospitals on daily basis, no?

 

[gani999]

If that was the case then we would have had 100 and thousands of fatally infected people ending up in the ER and hospitals on daily basis, no?

No you would not. More than 90% of the COVID-19 patients worldwide are either asymptomatic or have minor symptoms with no need for hospitalisation. But even these asymptomatic types are spreaders, which is the main cause for concern.

The fatally infected ones who land up in ER to get hooked on to ventilators usually have other underlying problems.

Maybe Pakistan has done a better job in handling the pandemic, but to make that claim based on one of the world's lowest testing rates makes it very suspect.

Just look at Brazil, a country with about the same population as Pakistan but with a far greater testing rate. They rank number 3 in the world in the total number of cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

I'm fairly sure that if Pakistan had been testing as much, they would have been in the top 10, and not no 23 as they are now.

 

[Slog]

No you would not. More than 90% of the COVID-19 patients worldwide are either asymptomatic or have minor symptoms with no need for hospitalisation. But even these asymptomatic types are spreaders, which is the main cause for concern.

The fatally infected ones who land up in ER to get hooked on to ventilators usually have other underlying problems.

Maybe Pakistan has done a better job in handling the pandemic, but to make that claim based on one of the world's lowest testing rates makes it very suspect.

Just look at Brazil, a country with about the same population as Pakistan but with a far greater testing rate. They rank number 3 in the world in the total number of cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

I'm fairly sure that if Pakistan had been testing as much, they would have been in the top 10, and not no 23 as they are now.

Your argument makes no sense. If India was testing as much as the US or European countries then it would be #1 and in a league of its own. Countries which test low despite apparent higher cases should have much higher positivity rate. Pakistan’s positivity rate is also low or in line with standards. Because in such scenario the critical cases are more likely to be among the sample.

India’s testing rate is 2-3 times higher than Pakistan but it’s positivity rate is also much higher. There is no argument that Pakistan has handled it well till atleast the start of this month.

In June there was palpable panic with hospitals backed up and no availability of beds. That is not the case anymore. The burial rates haven’t gone up either which would have been the case if deaths were not being counted. Unless you believe that people aren’t showing up to hospitals and also burying the dead in the back garden.

To excuse India’s pathetic response and 120k dead please do not try to muddy the water. People much more clued than you whether it’s Larry Summers, Bill Gates or several health experts in WHO have praised Pakistan’s response after the May-June panic.

 

[Pakpak]

Your argument makes no sense. If India was testing as much as the US or European countries then it would be #1 and in a league of its own. Countries which test low despite apparent higher cases should have much higher positivity rate. Pakistan’s positivity rate is also low or in line with standards. Because in such scenario the critical cases are more likely to be among the sample.

India’s testing rate is 2-3 times higher than Pakistan but it’s positivity rate is also much higher. There is no argument that Pakistan has handled it well till atleast the start of this month.

In June there was palpable panic with hospitals backed up and no availability of beds. That is not the case anymore. The burial rates haven’t gone up either which would have been the case if deaths were not being counted. Unless you believe that people aren’t showing up to hospitals and also burying the dead in the back garden.

To excuse India’s pathetic response and 120k dead please do not try to muddy the water. People much more clued than you whether it’s Larry Summers, Bill Gates or several health experts in WHO have praised Pakistan’s response after the May-June panic.

So are you saying WHO or Bill Gates know more and some random Indian poster Gani on PP knows less? How dare you!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No you would not. More than 90% of the COVID-19 patients worldwide are either asymptomatic or have minor symptoms with no need for hospitalisation. But even these asymptomatic types are spreaders, which is the main cause for concern.

The fatally infected ones who land up in ER to get hooked on to ventilators usually have other underlying problems.

Maybe Pakistan has done a better job in handling the pandemic, but to make that claim based on one of the world's lowest testing rates makes it very suspect.

Just look at Brazil, a country with about the same population as Pakistan but with a far greater testing rate. They rank number 3 in the world in the total number of cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

I'm fairly sure that if Pakistan had been testing as much, they would have been in the top 10, and not no 23 as they are now.

hmmm
So by the same token, what if India had tested by the same rate as Denmark?
I think the Covid infection in India would be over a billion people?