Faheem Ashraf's selection for the Champions Trophy despite Aamer Yamin's superior performances

[Abdullah719]

Haven't seen Fahim play much so I can't really give any insight on him, however, if he wasn't deemed good enough to play a single match against a side that hasn't qualified for the Champions Trophy and has failed in the ongoing Pakistan One Day Cup which is 'supposed to' impact selection, why exactly has he been selected?

Can Inzi see something we can't? How can his selection be justified ahead of someone like Aamer Yamin?

 

[Syed1]

Saw him in the Pakistan Cup, seemed like another run-of-the-mill domestic cricketer. Didn't look international class at all.


Another one in the long line of atrocious selections from Inzi.

 

[hur rizvi]

Inzi is an egregious selector

 

[Saj]

Bizarre pick really.

I'm trying to think on what basis has he been selected?

 

[Abdullah719]

Bizarre pick really.

I'm trying to think on what basis has he been selected?

I thought it might have to do with not dropping a player without giving him a chance but they had no problem getting rid of Asif Zakir and Mohammad Asghar, so it can't be that either...

 

[Hasan123]

He's not going to play even 1 game . Absolutely baffling decision.

Yamin should have been selected and found a way in the playing 11.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Yamin is a must

 

[Mamoon]

Inzamam is a dishonest and corrupt selector. He was the same as captain as well, played and supported his favorites.

 

[b.lesner]

he was man of the series in last A tour and also was top wicket taker in domestic one day this year , aamir is better by just a bit than him but fahim is also good

 

[wasimjunior]

Inzamam is a dishonest and corrupt selector. He was the same as captain as well, played and supported his favorites.

Please do shed light on who they were?

 

[aloo paratha]

he was man of the series in last A tour and also was top wicket taker in domestic one day this year , aamir is better by just a bit than him but fahim is also good

We need more of a batsmen than a bowler, plus on current form, Fahim's didn't even get a wicket in this tournament yet or maybe a few.

 

[Mamoon]

Please do shed light on who they were?

Hardly any young players were given debuts in his tenure, a time when Pakistan was dominating U-19 cricket. The likes of Misbah were completely neglected as well. As for as his favorites, they were the ones who followed him to the ICL to fix matches with Lahore Badshahs. Inzamam was a great batsman, who underachieved considerably due to his laziness, but a loyalist leader with no vision and long-term plan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

If they say that he wasn't given a game so he did not deserve to be dropped than one must ask why Asghar & Asif got dropped ?


Stats don't tell you everything. He might seam it around and be effective but our biggest issue atm is number 6 batsman who can use the long handle effectively while not slogging blindly. For that role Hussain and Yamin were better options.

Fahim doesn't have offside game against pacers. Sohail Tanveer's have backfired in Int Cricket wrt batting.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Hardly any young players were given debuts in his tenure, a time when Pakistan was dominating U-19 cricket. The likes of Misbah were completely neglected as well. As for as his favorites, they were the ones who followed him to the ICL to fix matches with Lahore Badshahs. Inzamam was a great batsman, who underachieved considerably due to his laziness, but a loyalist leader with no vision and long-term plan.

Inzamam had become religious few years before ICL but as per words of leaked phone call of Mohammad Ilyas & Saleem Altaf (available on Youtube) one day Imran Farhat fought with Inzamam and Moin and said you people are fixing matches and riding alone. Let us in aswell so that we too earn. At this Moin said I will cancel your contract. Threatened him. Imran said do it I will than expose you all and ICL will be closed.

Was CS an honest servant of Pakistan ?


Moin Khan hasn't still paid Shahid Nazir his Match fees when he was the hiring authority.

 

[Square Drive]

Awful.

If Asif Zakir and Asghar were dropped, Fahim should've made way for Yamin without a doubt.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Doesn't seem to be of international quality, Yamin is a far better player than him.

 

[cricketInsight]

We need a new selector: Bazid Khan!

 

[Major]

good luck

 

[KyoOne]

Yamin was too expensive with ball and did not do any wonders with the bat. Am I missing something?

 

[waleed88]

Aamer Yamin, same guy who got hit for 2 sixes by Pollard in the KKvsLG match? No thanks..

 

[waleed88]

Please do shed light on who they were?

Malik, Razzaq, Afridi, Kamran Akmal (despite the dropped catches), Rana Naved, Farhat, Taufeeq Umar, Hafeez got regular appearances under Inzamam in Test and ODIs (remember those were the only 2 formats played back then)
The greatest embarrassment we faced as a cricket team was in Australia in 2004-5 Test Matches... that was a terribly one sided series, Mcgrath decimating the side for 70 all out with 8 wickets, Pakistan losing by a mammoth 491 runs in the first test match

 

[Faisalsq092]

Please do shed light on who they were?

Inzamam never let any batsman settle in the middle order, he was too insecure to let anyone come up. If you were old enough to follow cricket then, Younis Khan pushed his way into the team through sheer performances which made him undropable, else he too was never allowed to be settled until Younis owned the no.3 performances despite being a middle order bat.

The no.6 spot was vacant throughout his tenure and he didn't back enough to let anyone take that spot despite having guys like Asim Kamal and Misbah ul Haq toiling in domestics. He anyone batted as low as no.6 in ODIs just because he thought he can bat if there is a collapse while defying the cricketing knowledge of batting ur best batsmen up to prevent a collapse.

 

[IAJ]

Inzi bhai is looking for that masterstroke, he wants to show world he has eye for talent. So far nothing has worked out for him as selector so he will keep trying.

And to some naive posters; do you really think Inzimam would have been sitting this comfortably if he selected players om merit? He is just pleasing influential guys. Nothing new here. How on earth can you just bring back Azhar Ali and not select guys like Yamin and Haris Sohail? Even a Sohail Khan with his batting and swing would habe been better choice than Riaz.

 

[khurram39]

don't worry both will not get a single match to play even Amir yamin got selected too along with Fahim.

 

[Azzurri]

i'd prefer fahim over yamin any day. He was already in the squash and should't be dropped without playing a single game. As far as asghar is concerned, shadab replaced him and he was no longer required hence dropped

 

[SM1989]

Aamer Yamin failed to defend 12 runs on 2 balls. Stop overhyping him as the next coming of Abdul Razzaq

 

[arehaan]

Aamer Yamin failed to defend 12 runs on 2 balls. Stop overhyping him as the next coming of Abdul Razzaq

By your logic England should have scrapped Ben Stokes career after getting smashed for 4 consecutive 6s and that too in a World cup final not just any other league.

Yamin is not a death over bowler but can be very useful in seaming conditions. In the Pak team he will not be required to bowl at the death as his role will be to control the middle overs. His lower order hitting is something we are badly missing and the potential there is very high.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

i'd prefer fahim over yamin any day. He was already in the squash and should't be dropped without playing a single game. As far as asghar is concerned, shadab replaced him and he was no longer required hence dropped

fair logic, but that didnt stop the pcb from dumping zakir for azhar

 

[moghul]

And, Izi said he had delayed the announcement of the squad for CT just to watch the performance in ongoing Pakistan cup. No one among the best performers was selected.

 

[Ami]

As someone pointed out above we need hitters...and Yamin at no 6 is ideal.

As for selection, until we get educated, well groomed professionals as selectors we just gonna keep bashing about the same tree.

I mean look where teams escalated to during and after the world cup in 2015 esp in the batting department?

And look at our 'supposed batting order' in the next odi...


Azhar
Shehzad
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Sarfaraz...

Come off it guys this order is at least 4 hitters short!

Allah hi Maalak ae...!

 

[Bilal7]

*Sigh*. Pakistani fans are hopeless. They'll cry about 35 year old veterans being picked, they'll cry about guys that haven't ever been tried at the international level being picked. Had Yamin been picked, people would have asked about Hammad. If it was Hammad, people would be lamenting over the loss of Shadab.

Yamin got his chance once before, if you guys remember. He didn't do much and was rightfully dropped. He's apparently playing well in the Pakistan cup and hopefully will get another shot at establishing himself but Fahim deserves a chance to show his worth too.

This is exactly why almost every Pakistani player I have seen appearing on talk-shows criticizes the fans for being too reactive and having not a single shred of patience in them. How can you pick on a player that hasn't done anything wrong yet? Don't read too much into these domestic competitions, by the way. When the best performers are always people like Khurrum Manzoor, Kamran Akmal and similar FTBs, domestic cricket only goes so far in letting us know what a player is capable of.

Regardless, Fahim has a bowling average of 26 in List 'A' cricket and Yamin averages 32 in the same department. Who's more deserving of the bowling all-rounder role again?

 

[Bilal7]

Aamer Yamin failed to defend 12 runs on 2 balls. Stop overhyping him as the next coming of Abdul Razzaq

Exactly. I remember watching him and he wasn't anything other than a decent hitter who can bowl a couple of overs for a strong bowling side. I bet if Saeed Ajmal takes a 10-fer in his next game, people would want him to be recalled too. Doesn't take more than one good performance to turn you into a cult-hero in Pakistan. However, God help you if you have a failure. Laughable, really.

 

[Abdullah719]

*Sigh*. Pakistani fans are hopeless. They'll cry about 35 year old veterans being picked, they'll cry about guys that haven't ever been tried at the international level being picked. Had Yamin been picked, people would have asked about Hammad. If it was Hammad, people would be lamenting over the loss of Shadab.

Yamin got his chance once before, if you guys remember. He didn't do much and was rightfully dropped. He's apparently playing well in the Pakistan cup and hopefully will get another shot at establishing himself but Fahim deserves a chance to show his worth too.

Nah. It's simple. When the squad was announced, Yamin had performed in the tournament and Fahim hadn't. It's that simple. Hammad is nowhere in the frame.

Yamin scored a fifty in the last innings he played in ODIs. He only played 3 ODIs in total. So I'm not sure where the 'he didn't do much' part comes from.

Anyway, good on Fahim for a good performance today so far.

 

[Abdullah719]

Exactly. I remember watching him and he wasn't anything other than a decent hitter who can bowl a couple of overs for a strong bowling side. I bet if Saeed Ajmal takes a 10-fer in his next game, people would want him to be recalled too. Doesn't take more than one good performance to turn you into a cult-hero in Pakistan. However, God help you if you have a failure. Laughable, really.

Irrelevant, hardly anyone rates Yamin's bowling.

 

[sadida97]

Nah. It's simple. When the squad was announced, Yamin had performed in the tournament and Fahim hadn't. It's that simple. Hammad is nowhere in the frame.

Yamin scored a fifty in the last innings he played in ODIs. He only played 3 ODIs in total. So I'm not sure where the 'he didn't do much' part comes from.

Anyway, good on Fahim for a good performance today so far.

How did fahim bat today ? Does he look like a decent batsman ? Can he be used as a finisher ?

 

[aloo paratha]

*Sigh*. Pakistani fans are hopeless. They'll cry about 35 year old veterans being picked, they'll cry about guys that haven't ever been tried at the international level being picked. Had Yamin been picked, people would have asked about Hammad. If it was Hammad, people would be lamenting over the loss of Shadab.

Yamin got his chance once before, if you guys remember. He didn't do much and was rightfully dropped. He's apparently playing well in the Pakistan cup and hopefully will get another shot at establishing himself but Fahim deserves a chance to show his worth too.

This is exactly why almost every Pakistani player I have seen appearing on talk-shows criticizes the fans for being too reactive and having not a single shred of patience in them. How can you pick on a player that hasn't done anything wrong yet? Don't read too much into these domestic competitions, by the way. When the best performers are always people like Khurrum Manzoor, Kamran Akmal and similar FTBs, domestic cricket only goes so far in letting us know what a player is capable of.

Regardless, Fahim has a bowling average of 26 in List 'A' cricket and Yamin averages 32 in the same department. Who's more deserving of the bowling all-rounder role again?

We need someone to finish anyways, and Yamin scored a 50 and only played 3 matches so how he was "rightfully dropped" is beyond me.

 

[Abdullah719]

How did fahim bat today ? Does he look like a decent batsman ? Can he be used as a finisher ?

Can't really tell from one innings but that first six was quite a shot...

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[sadida97]

Can't really tell from one innings but that first six was quite a shot...

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impressive shots, has also bowled well today...

 

[aloo paratha]

Exactly. I remember watching him and he wasn't anything other than a decent hitter who can bowl a couple of overs for a strong bowling side. I bet if Saeed Ajmal takes a 10-fer in his next game, people would want him to be recalled too. Doesn't take more than one good performance to turn you into a cult-hero in Pakistan. However, God help you if you have a failure. Laughable, really.

Don't know who thought it was a good idea to make him bowl the last over, he's not a death bowler and you don't need to be smart to know that.

 

[aloo paratha]

Anyways I'm happy he did well, he's young and he's already been selected, he cam improve. I'd play him at 7 If akmal fails which is likely to happen

 

[Abdullah719]

Anyways I'm happy he did well, he's young and he's already been selected, he cam improve. I'd play him at 7 If akmal fails which is likely to happen

I do hope he gets a chance to play and performs well. If you check the lineups thread for the CT, I did include him in my lineup.

Questioning someone's selection doesn't mean I won't support 'em.

 

[aloo paratha]

I do hope he gets a chance to play and performs well. If you check the lineups thread for the CT, I did include him in my lineup.

Questioning someone's selection doesn't mean I won't support 'em.

Me too, we need a good all rounder, especially one that can hit.

 

[saeed5646]

LOL Fahim is trolling many poster in this thread .People are forgetting he is replacing Anwar ali as a

all rounder and he massive upgrade on anwar ali .he is selected because of his good performance with

pakistan A

 

[Bilal7]

Don't know who thought it was a good idea to make him bowl the last over, he's not a death bowler and you don't need to be smart to know that.

We need someone to finish anyways, and Yamin scored a 50 and only played 3 matches so how he was "rightfully dropped" is beyond me.

Irrelevant, hardly anyone rates Yamin's bowling.

He's not good enough to be a specialist batsman. Who is he going to replace? He is an unfinished all-rounder who needs to improve his bowling before he will be considered a serious contender for that #7 role. Ashraf is much more balanced in both departments and is decent enough with both bat and ball.

 

[Madplayer]

Having seen him bowl today , i can say that his old ball bowling has more venom than Yamin's even though pace is more or less the same. He bends his back more than yamin.

Yamin has superior new ball skills though.
Batting wise yamin is better because he is a proper batsman. Fahim can effectively slog a few though.

 

[Abdullah719]

He's not good enough to be a specialist batsman. Who is he going to replace? He is an unfinished all-rounder who needs to improve his bowling before he will be considered a serious contender for that #7 role. Ashraf is much more balanced in both departments and is decent enough with both bat and ball.

Batting all-rounder is what he's considered. Good enough to bat higher than #7.

Anyway, today was literally the first time Fahim has made an impression. Good for him. Hope he does well at the Champions Trophy if he gets a chance, but if he wasn't considered good enough to face West Indies, I am guessing he'll be warming the bench at the CT.

 

[Bilal7]

Every single player in the Champions Trophy squad deserves to be there, with the exception of Azhar Ali. However, there were no viable contenders to keep Azhar out and don't name Amin, who is garbage, or Haris, who is still regaining his match-fitness.

 

[Bilal7]

Batting all-rounder is what he's considered. Good enough to bat higher than #7.

Anyway, today was literally the first time Fahim has made an impression. Good for him. Hope he does well at the Champions Trophy if he gets a chance, but if he wasn't considered good enough to face West Indies, I am guessing he'll be warming the bench at the CT.

Fahim has done well for the 'A' side and a bowling average of 26 makes a far greater impression than one over 30. He probably won't be given a match because he isn't a better bowler than our four specialist pacers and isn't a better batsman than Imad. The management will also want at least one frontline spinner in the team (ideally there should only be one frontline spinner) but that is no one's fault. He will be used if needed.

 

[fazleefridi]

Batting all-rounder is what he's considered. Good enough to bat higher than #7.

Anyway, today was literally the first time Fahim has made an impression. Good for him. Hope he does well at the Champions Trophy if he gets a chance, but if he wasn't considered good enough to face West Indies, I am guessing he'll be warming the bench at the CT.

CT is in the UK. If 4 pacers are required, he might get a game. Especially, against SL

 

[waqar goraya]

Man of the match today. Took 5 wickets on a batting track and also scored a brisk 30 off 13 balls.

I think he looked good today.

 

[KhalidRafi]

Yamin was too expensive with ball and did not do any wonders with the bat. Am I missing something?

You are. He scored consecutive fifties off 30 odd balls, his overall batting average in the tournament was 116, his SR 147. And he is currently the leading wicket taker in the tournament.

 

[aloo paratha]

He's not good enough to be a specialist batsman. Who is he going to replace? He is an unfinished all-rounder who needs to improve his bowling before he will be considered a serious contender for that #7 role. Ashraf is much more balanced in both departments and is decent enough with both bat and ball.

Yes he is, have you seen him bat?

 

[bilawal666]

He actually looks pretty good to me. Gets into a good position to nail the ball.

 

[Speedster777]

he has played more dynamic shots than so called seniors in our national team.

 

[Bilal7]

Another brilliant selection by Inzamam ul Haq, the best Pakistani selector of all time.

 

[Syed1]

Another brilliant selection by Inzamam ul Haq, the best Pakistani selector of all time.

You are overdoing it now

 

[Bilal7]

You are overdoing it now

Part of this is just for fun but I honestly don't understand why people are so upset at him. Apart from a couple of selections here and there, he's done a pretty good job and injected a lot more fresh blood into the team than anyone expected.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I think there is some undeserving criticism on him. Not that bad as people made him out.
From the little I saw he generated seam movement in one match and had good bounce in the match vs Isloo.

He is a better bowler than Yamin imo while Yamin is a better batsman.
Now we have to decide whose role we need more in team.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

This guy can hit the ball a long way.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I think there is some undeserving criticism on him. Not that bad as people made him out.
From the little I saw he generated seam movement in one match and had good bounce in the match vs Isloo.

He is a better bowler than Yamin imo while Yamin is a better batsman.
Now we have to decide whose role we need more in team.

I dont think there was much critisim directed to him as a player, it was critisim of his selection over others.

Now he is in though we should support him, and honestly given the other options are junaid or riaz, id rather take a punt on Fahim as the third seamer

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I dont think there was much critisim directed to him as a player, it was critisim of his selection over others.

Now he is in though we should support him, and honestly given the other options are junaid or riaz, id rather take a punt on Fahim as the third seamer

Yeah and maybe thats why selectors/management thought that his role is more suited for a team like Pak where we need someone who is more of a bowling allrounder and can hit big at death. As we already have Shady and Imad who are proper batsmen in the lower order. So Fahim was preferred over others.