Fakhar Zaman first impressions in international cricket

[Chief Destroyer]

If he gets his cap by 24 or late 23, That'll still be good for him. However for that needs to score runs for a change and dominate.

Age is not an issue. He has time. Just needs one of the idiots at PCB to realize how gifted he is.

The past domestic season was the first time he got chances and he did score some eye-catching innings. That 200 made some noise in the domestic circle. Around 150 was off boundaries.

 

[hitthestump]

No real talent evident here, but he's probably the best we've got to work with. There re no other batsmen in Pakistan waiting for their chance. May as well stick with Fakhar and try and improve him.

 

[Hamza_]

Age is not an issue. He has time. Just needs one of the idiots at PCB to realize how gifted he is.

The past domestic season was the first time he got chances and he did score some eye-catching innings. That 200 made some noise in the domestic circle. Around 150 was off boundaries.

None of these players are selected in Pakistan Cup, Which means unfortunately we cannot even watch them bat.

 

[QalandarFan]

He is an opener who is being sent out at 5 or 6.


I would like to see what the people who are writing off Zaman had to say when Sharjeel first came on the scene, because even the latter seemed like a leg-side hack but improved along the way. Why isn't the same luxury afforded to Zaman?

Exactly what I wanted to post, he is only 26 and still has time to improve.

Although I'm desperately hoping he can transform into a Sharjeel-type player I find it very unlikely. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

 

[MMHS]

Fakhar was never going to make it at top level for his bottom hand technique with genuine lack of reflex against pace, but he was not like this. I have seen his batting clips from 2-3 years back; he was like similar to Awais Zia; but now it's like closer to Sohail Tanvir!!!!.

Deserves a chance to play at his natural spot in top 3, but it's a travesty of Inzi's batting career, when he picked Fakhar over Talat for ODIs.

 

[Ellipsism]

Exactly what I wanted to post, he is only 26 and still has time to improve.

Although I'm desperately hoping he can transform into a Sharjeel-type player I find it very unlikely. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

He doesn't look 26 from any angle.

 

[Pete Rose]

They need to give him more time and perhaps find a place for higher up in the order where are ultra mediocre four horsemen of the apocalypse reside

 

[MMHS]

They need to give him more time and perhaps find a place for higher up in the order where are ultra mediocre four horsemen of the apocalypse reside

How long yaar? People gets upset, I won't go to gin technology, by he is at least 30 - by the age Cook has 30+ Test hundreds. When is he going to learn? A batsman's peak is probably 29 - considering his power, reflex, eye sight, stamina & experience (if debuted at right time); by 35 his reflex & eyesight starts to fade; still can play for few more years backed by technique & experience; but you can't teach an old dog hunting trick at his mature age.

Fakhar is unlucky that he wasn't given chance 2/3 years back when he was in his peak form; but can't help now, otherwise, Talat & Saud will become next Fakhar.

 

[Pete Rose]

How long yaar? People gets upset, I won't go to gin technology, by he is at least 30 - by the age Cook has 30+ Test hundreds. When is he going to learn? A batsman's peak is probably 29 - considering his power, reflex, eye sight, stamina & experience (if debuted at right time); by 35 his reflex & eyesight starts to fade; still can play for few more years backed by technique & experience; but you can't teach an old dog hunting trick at his mature age.

Fakhar is unlucky that he wasn't given chance 2/3 years back when he was in his peak form; but can't help now, otherwise, Talat & Saud will become next Fakhar.

Because the team Managment is misdiagnosis the issue. They think their problem is in the middle to later order. Whereas their actual problem is in a top order that collectively bats at 4.5 runs an over. So they will keep looking for players who can bash it at the end of the innings. It's typically a position that involves high risk cricket and failure rate is high. Pakistan need to rethink their top order. That's where need the infusion of young blood.

 

[asfandyar]

Sharjeel when came on to the scene was mighty impressive, and not a legside hack.

Why speaking such drivel?

Just because you lacked the ability to judge him, or any batsman for that matter, doesn't mean everyone thought he's a legside hack.

He was the perfect top order batsman from the start, matching Warner.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ll-rounder-from-Sialkot&p=7703678#post7703678

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ll-rounder-from-Sialkot&p=7703688#post7703688

 

[PennOne]

Fawad Alam is a better batsman

 

[MMHS]

Because the team Managment is misdiagnosis the issue. They think their problem is in the middle to later order. Whereas their actual problem is in a top order that collectively bats at 4.5 runs an over. So they will keep looking for players who can bash it at the end of the innings. It's typically a position that involves high risk cricket and failure rate is high. Pakistan need to rethink their top order. That's where need the infusion of young blood.

Reason for that is palyer's stats are not analyzed as per batting position. Sir rent position requires different set of skills.

 

[Ultimate]

50 overs cricket is his strongest format, so let's judge him after the ODI series.

However his technique may be, at least he has the modern aggressive mentality, doesn't go into a shell, will look to score boundaries, seems busy. I think he will click in ODI cricket more than T20I cricket.

 

[Citizen4]

it's really unfair to him that he;s not playing as an opener.
Let's hope he gets a game at least as an opener in the coming series.

 

[Speedster777]

He can play modern fast paced cricket. Let him play and develop. We need to give youngsters confidence.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Good batsman, who can bowl few overs and is a extremely good fielder.

 

[Rayyman]

Hope he gets the next game over Ahmed Shehzad who has failed as a modern opener.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Already looking 100 times better than Shehzad.

 

[Stewie]

He may not have the best technique but:

1. He can rotate the strike
2. He is quick between the wickets


These two qualities alone demand that he be persistent with in my opinion

 

[Hawkeye]

He was always ALWAYS a better option than the loser Shehzad. I rate Imran Farhat better than Shehzad so you know how bad he is.

Fakhar has improved A LOT from the last time I saw him bat. He's not just swinging the bat blindly and punishing balls wide off the off stump, playing towards the off side.

Reflexes also looking good as he's picking up high pace s length.

In any case we need batsmen who can score fast, no matter how ugly. Drop forever Shehzad and Azhar.

 

[Hamza_]

He was always ALWAYS a better option than the loser Shehzad. I rate Imran Farhat better than Shehzad so you know how bad he is.

Fakhar has improved A LOT from the last time I saw him bat. He's not just swinging the bat blindly and punishing balls wide off the off stump, playing towards the off side.

Reflexes also looking good as he's picking up high pace s length.

In any case we need batsmen who can score fast, no matter how ugly. Drop forever Shehzad and Azhar.

Yes Hawkeye Bhai. He looks very impressive today

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes Hawkeye Bhai. He looks very impressive today

He got out facing his weakest link - high pace with good bounce.

But obviously done way better than what Shehzad would have.

Would stick with him for now.

 

[Stewie]

He was always ALWAYS a better option than the loser Shehzad. I rate Imran Farhat better than Shehzad so you know how bad he is.

Fakhar has improved A LOT from the last time I saw him bat. He's not just swinging the bat blindly and punishing balls wide off the off stump, playing towards the off side.

Reflexes also looking good as he's picking up high pace s length.

In any case we need batsmen who can score fast, no matter how ugly. Drop forever Shehzad and Azhar.

Don't jump to such conclusions.

If I am right, looking at his stance and scoring zones, he is suspectible to fuller length ball coming into him or Right arm pitching on leg and moving away from shirt of length.

He looks comfortable playing back of length or shorter balls with width. Good on cut particularly.


I have a feeling he will be worked out

 

[Hawkeye]

Don't jump to such conclusions.

If I am right, looking at his stance and scoring zones, he is suspectible to fuller length ball coming into him or Right arm pitching on leg and moving away from shirt of length.

He looks comfortable playing back of length or shorter balls with width. Good on cut particularly.


I have a feeling he will be worked out

He showed glimpses of past weaknesses and they were exploited well by Morkel.

However I'd still play him as he's an upgrade over Shehzad and Azhar.

 

[Stewie]

He showed glimpses of past weaknesses and they were exploited well by Morkel.

However I'd still play him as he's an upgrade over Shehzad and Azhar.

No absolutely, I think he deserves an extended run but they should be mindful of his weaknesses and the coaches should work on him to improve his technique a bit.

 

[Hawkeye]

No absolutely, I think he deserves an extended run but they should be mindful of his weaknesses and the coaches should work on him to improve his technique a bit.

That is correct.

Needs to fix his weaknesses soon. Anything that's not giving him room on the off side he tries to swing towards the leg side.

Need to improve that zone.

 

[Sherlock]

Played well, then lost his head. Story of Pakistani batsmen.

 

[khurram39]

Not convinced by his playing but still we can think as a replacement of Sharjeel somehow.

 

[hisham_ashraf]

10 times better than :ahmed .He has improved his off side game,plays spin really really well,good on leg side,the only weakness that I can see in him is to play the short balls.Hopefuuly he will work that out soon too.Plus he is a handy spinner too.

 

[explayer]

Pakistani fans are never happy no matter what a players does lol. i think everyone here is lobbying for their favourite player no matter how useless that player might be. Give the guy a chance for God sake!i dont care if his front foot isnt moving i dnt care if he cant play a shot ball as long as he gives us a good start. i will take a quick forty over 70 ball 100 from him. People talking like we have 100s of kohlis waiting back home to replace him.
he is brave and willing to go after bowlers and play for team. stick with him untill a better option comes up. Same people were mocking sharjeel and now missing him.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Played well, then lost his head. Story of Pakistani batsmen.

Maybe because he got hit on the head a couple of times. He also needs to improve his game around making sure he is able to pick the slower ball. Can't smash everything out of the ground.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Similar to De Cock. Needs to be more controlled but that will come with time.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Very talented. Not sure about his mentals(too early to know at the moment) but he looked erratic when he got going yesterday. His reaction to being in the head was, to put it plainly, bizarre.

 

[Abdullah]

I like the heart he showed.
Good runner between the wickets, good striking
Needs to work hard and improve

 

[OmaIR1]

He looks average, however, he showed intent and took his chances which is what Pakistan needs. Tired of the toothless batting approach.

 

[Monsee]

This was a slow low pitch and there were no serious pacers in sight, what makes you think that he will prosper against better sides in UAE?

If Morne Morkel is not a serious pacer, then only God knows what you consider one to be, a 170 KMH one that doesn't even exist yet? Also, he hit a few good ones against the number 1 ODI bowler in the world, that counts for something no matter what the conditions etc. were despite the fact that match was in England and not in Faksalabad or something!

Besides Morne, all other SA quicks were in mid 130's to mid 140's mark, that is pretty good speed for the most part

 

[Sherlock]

If Morne Morkel is not a serious pacer, then only God knows what you consider one to be, a 170 KMH one that doesn't even exist yet? Also, he hit a few good ones against the number 1 ODI bowler in the world, that counts for something no matter what the conditions etc. were despite the fact that match was in England and not in Faksalabad or something!

Besides Morne, all other SA quicks were in mid 130's to mid 140's mark, that is pretty good speed for the most part

Not like Rabada was playing either...

 

[Lion]

Very well played Fakhar.. breath of fresh air with the intent showed

 

[Syed1]

Not good enough.

The only thing he's capable of is clearing the front leg and hoicking it against the spinners.

His credentials against anything bowled in excess of 135 km/h aren't great either.

PP experts ladies and gents.

 

[Billy1999]

He can bat

End off

Train cricketers to report bookies

 

[StreetSmart]

he looked awesome to be honest the only thing I have seen in him not only yesterday but in PSL too that he want to hit every ball out of the ground. But I think he will get better by the time.

 

[Rana]

Not bad against the short and wide ball. Needed someone who cuts like that

 

[PennOne]

Played well, then lost his head. Story of Pakistani batsmen.

That's an improvement over Azhar Ali, Shehzad and Hafeez who play badly and lose their head

 

[Sherlock]

That's an improvement over Azhar Ali, Shehzad and Hafeez who play badly and lose their head

Agreed, but that's been the downfall of so many players coming through. They think getting 30's and 40's is good enough.

 

[Ellipsism]

PP experts ladies and gents.

One innings and the hype is real.

You only have to look at his dismissal and his incapability of playing the short ball to see this guy won't last at the international level. Apart from intent there's nothing special in his batting. Better than Shezi nonetheless.

He deserves a shot but one innings doesn't prove anything.

 

[sadida97]

One innings and the hype is real.

You only have to look at his dismissal and his incapability of playing the short ball to see this guy won't last at the international level. Apart from intent there's nothing special in his batting. Better than Shezi nonetheless.

He deserves a shot but one innings doesn't prove anything.

Can't he improve and sort out this weakness ?

 

[Saj]

Loved his positive attitude and strokeplay.

However he really needs to work on his play against the short ball.

 

[Runner Up]

:d :d

 

[Ellipsism]

Can't he improve and sort out this weakness ?

I'm not profound with the intricacies of batting, your better off asking CD.

But personally I don't see anything special or anything remotely comparable to Sharjeel.

 

[Hamza_]

Loved his positive attitude and strokeplay.

However he really needs to work on his play against the short ball.

Needs to add short arm jab and muscle pull.

Gets in good position to use wrists or smash it in cow corner as well though. Reflexes not very good though. Let's see more of him from here on

 

[Hermoine Green]

Not good enough.

The only thing he's capable of is clearing the front leg and hoicking it against the spinners.

His credentials against anything bowled in excess of 135 km/h aren't great either.

Looks pretty useless to me

A marginally better version of Awais Zia who will be slightly better as an opener due to field restrictions.

It's a joke to compare Fakhar Zaman to Awais Zia.

Awais Zia is 3x the batsman Fakhar is.

Only comfortable when bowlers bowl in his zone.... and that too when they aren't very pacy.

Not the answer to our limited overs batting woes but his best use in this team was as an opener, specially considering that the likes of Gabriel and Joseph aren't in this squad.

Lol I called it ages ago during that one day cup in 2015. Mediocre batsman. Those cricinfo experts who were calling for his inclusion should watch him bat first.

Fakhar is very poor to say the least a mindless leg side hack but someone who can field better than most.

I hope he is dropped for good.

Sharjeel had timing to go with his batting and hand the capability to play express bowling.

Zaman is a talentless hack.

Sharjeel atleast played shots on the leg side though always had offside game and was strong square of the wicket on offside

All this guy can do is to hope for the best at cow corner.

Looks awful to me, one legside shot. Even that 6 he got looked like it was going to be out. Give him a chance opening tomorrow instead of Shezhed though. The series should end 2-2 as both teams are not great and will be eaten alive by the gun international teams.

Even sohaib maqsood even though is in the worst form of his life looks better than Fakhar.

Hopefully it is just nerves, and he improves with time. Because man he looked like a tail ender.

Sometimes, it's just better to accept you were wrong instead of making such hilarious statements.

Going defensive is only showing your lack of insight.

First impressions is a slogger who plays ugly agricultural shots.

This is my Yesterday's Post from Danish Aziz thread :


With Opening like pakistanigoneaussie or Pete Rose (not sure) my vote is with Shahzaib Hasan Khan because he is dynamic and more proficient against pace with Shots all round the ground and a combination of Ave & SR which is need of modern day Cricket. If he doesn't get cleared than I will stick with Fakhar whose numbers have improved in last 4 years but his game against pace especially his offside play has declined. This is due to poor coaching and poor drills. He dominated Irfan in his peak in 2013, at that time he neither had this ugly crouch nor this too much Bottom hand dependence which has regressed and limited his offside play. Still because he is top performer so he needs a Go in Int Cricket on Merit. Syed1


As far as future is concerned my vote is with these three guys (Read Post number 89)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...eams-Cup/page2 - See more at:



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Aziz-Performance-Watch&p=9169013#post9169013

After watching fakhar's batting i can say that chacha rafatullah is a world class batsmen

Why are people surprised?

Didn't you witness the complete and utter leg-side hack in the PSL, or were you watching a different player?

I've always said that this guy was terrible, people kept foaming in the mouth and were talking as if he was the next Tendulkar.

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

 

[Rayyman]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

Me too
And [MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION]

 

[Madplayer]

Once again the player i put my trust in has proved himself to be good. It shouldnt be a surprise for anyone anymore. When i say somebody is going to do well, you can bet your bottom dollar that he will :

 

[DRsohail]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] was damn right that time,welldone chap.

 

[DRsohail]

Syed1 waw talent k pehchan ha aap ma,,,,,going by your posts here.

 

[Ellipsism]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

Except Smith went from being called a tail-ender to being potentially the GOAT test bat

Fakhar has resilience, something you don’t often find with Pakistani players, he’ll end up a decent player for us with 35-40 stats at a SR of 90 which ain’t bad. He has limitations but he finds a way to hang in, somehow.

 

[Sherlock]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

I put my hands up and apologise for judging him on the couple of occasions I seen him play. He improved vastly when he played in the CT. He improved his off-side play, and general play too. He still has a kinks in his armour but beggars, choosers and all that. Now I can't see Pakistan playing without his unorthodox batting

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I hope the haters are enjoying all that humble pie!

 

[Syed1]

Sometimes, it's just better to accept you were wrong instead of making such hilarious statements.

Going defensive is only showing your lack of insight.

Who is wrong now buddy?

 

[Rana]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

This is cricket buddy, I hope I dont have to bump your post after a couple of years in which things can turn upside down fast especially when it comes to Pakistani players.

Hats off to Fakhar, hes done very well

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Who is wrong now buddy?

Nah you shh bhai, its all because of Misbah, he "identified" Fahkar )

 

[blackanhyellow]

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Cant believe such people exists at this forum, being a silent reader of this forum for so many years i thought i am the worst expert. But these people take the cake, infact whole bakery. Oh dear,

It seems only [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] are known to the word "Patience"

Hats off to you 2 guys.

Its like watching Steve Smith thread

Not really.

He looked really bad in the innings after which I made that comment.

Also made the same comments about Awais Zia, Mukhtar Ahmed, rafatullah, and a number of other players. These guys looked like tailenders.

Are you making a thread giving credit to posters that rightly called out these hacks?

Even while making your debut, you shouldn't look like a deer in headlights.But that has a lot to do with the level of domestic cricket being very poor in Pak. PSL has sort of bridged the gap between domestic and international so the step up to international cricket isnt too exaggerated.

But credit to Fakhar, he overcame his nerves, improved his offside game, and took his chances.

Compare that to guys who looked very good on their debut but that faded out due to fitness issues, mental issues, lack of work ethic, etc... (Umar Akmal, maqsood, nasir jamshed).