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Feeling jealous of upcoming batsmen in the IPL

DeadBall

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Pant
Rahul
Samson
Shaw
Gill
Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?
 
You have the likes of Usman and Saad who are already better than Kohli imo.

It was a genuine question, I have seen all of the above bat. If all you can provide is sarcasm then please find another thread.
 
Pant
Rahul
Samson
Shaw
Gill
Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?

India under 19 batsmen always go on to make name for themselves. Yuvraj, Kohli, Gambhir, Rohit, Pujara, Dhawan, Irfan pathan to name a few. It is no surprise we find a few more coming through. Among all Gill and Rahule are the real deal. Rest i will wait.
 
India never has a problem of producing batting talent. Sachin has established a benchmark and everyone wants to be him.

Out of the players listed, I would say Shaw and Gill will be stars. Rest will be good complimentary players. If Rahul can stay fit, he will be an Indian great for sure.
 
Pant
Rahul
Samson
Shaw
Gill
Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?

We had one, that could take apart any bowling attack in the world and shocked the world with his performances vs Australia, but got caught doing the wrong stuff.
 
Pant
Rahul
Samson
Shaw
Gill
Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?

You dont have a batting culture like it is in India. Perhaps need a captain like Ganguly or Imran(although I am too young for him) who could build the culture.
 
We had one, that could take apart any bowling attack in the world and shocked the world with his performances vs Australia, but got caught doing the wrong stuff.

Yeah, Fakhar has potential but he is almost 30 too, I meant from the upcoming crop.
 
India has better batting coaching at a very young age. Even at school level they teach basics very well. You don't see these slashes, cross batted swishes there. Most of the guys would be taught to play correct cricket before they find their own style. Pakistan batsmen tend to be flashy with exception of few like Moyo.
 
Add Mayank Agarwal as well, he haven't played any outstanding innings yet but some of the shots he played were amazing.
Its amazing how much confidence most of the above batsmen have, great to watch.
 
Still our great selectors feel strokeless wonder Manish is better than those young batsmen.:facepalm:
 
We had one, that could take apart any bowling attack in the world and shocked the world with his performances vs Australia, but got caught doing the wrong stuff.

He is at best as good as Pant. Nothing more. Don’t tell me he was the greatest batting talent, just like you guys were talking about Amir during those 5 yrs.
 
He is at best as good as Pant. Nothing more. Don’t tell me he was the greatest batting talent, just like you guys were talking about Amir during those 5 yrs.

Pant has only played a couple T20Is and you're comparing him to a man who has played all three formats?
 
Pant has only played a couple T20Is and you're comparing him to a man who has played all three formats?

I am talking about potential and talent. You are talking as if Sharjeel was already a legend or legend in making.

Playing all the format for Pakistan is not a big achievement. Pant was not trying to get into Pak batting lineup.
 
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They always produced top bastsmen, it’s the fast bowlers that I’m more impressed with
 
I thought Salman Butt will be very good batsman towards the end of his career but he ruined it.
 
We have wasted most of our batting “talents”.

The problem is that most of the emerging batsmen in domestic cricket get put down the order whilst the likes of Sohail Tanvir bat above them. E.g. Saud Shakeel should have been in the Pakistan set up by now but because he has been batting at 6 and 7 his career has been set back.

We are our own worst enemies.
 
I am talking about potential and talent. You are talking as if Sharjeel was already a legend or legend in making.

Playing all the format for Pakistan is not a big achievement. Pant was not trying to get into Pak batting lineup.

I'm not saying Sharjeel is a legend but he has taken apart so many bowlers from the likes of Malinga, Starc, Hazlewood, Mark Wood & even got the NZ attack biting their fingernails in the 2016 T20 WC when they had the best bowling unit in the tournament at that time. So saying he is as good as Pant at best is an insult.
 
You have the likes of Usman and Saad who are already better than Kohli imo.

He is talking about limited overs i guess..
And yes Usman and Saad are better test players than the kids mentioned in OP.. The kind of domestic pitches Saad scored this year and Usman scored on in last 7 years, i doubt the youngsters mentioned in op would have matched that despite having much more luxuries than Pakistani upcoming batsmen..
 
I'm not saying Sharjeel is a legend but he has taken apart so many bowlers from the likes of Malinga, Starc, Hazlewood, Mark Wood & even got the NZ attack biting their fingernails in the 2016 T20 WC when they had the best bowling unit in the tournament at that time. So saying he is as good as Pant at best is an insult.

Fakhar and Sharjeel opening... thinking of it makes me cry :(
 
I'm not saying Sharjeel is a legend but he has taken apart so many bowlers from the likes of Malinga, Starc, Hazlewood, Mark Wood & even got the NZ attack biting their fingernails in the 2016 T20 WC when they had the best bowling unit in the tournament at that time. So saying he is as good as Pant at best is an insult.

Fair enough. But IMO he was more like leg side hack. Most of the young talent mentioned in OP are very good technically.Only Pant is more close to Sharjeel in terms of talent.
 
Fair enough. But IMO he was more like leg side hack. Most of the young talent mentioned in OP are very good technically.Only Pant is more close to Sharjeel in terms of talent.

Sharjeel had significantly improved his offside game and was scoring all around the ground in his last year.
 
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He is talking about limited overs i guess..
And yes Usman and Saad are better test players than the kids mentioned in OP.. The kind of domestic pitches Saad scored this year and Usman scored on in last 7 years, i doubt the youngsters mentioned in op would have matched that despite having much more luxuries than Pakistani upcoming batsmen..

There are batsmen with great domestic stats like these two in India as well. They were not picked up or have not shined yet in IPL. Mayank Agarwal had great domestic season. But he has not shined yet in IPL.
 
There are batsmen with great domestic stats like these two in India as well. They were not picked up or have not shined yet in IPL. Mayank Agarwal had great domestic season. But he has not shined yet in IPL.

There are batsmen in Pakistani domestic (many actually) who have performed at domestic but poor at internationals. I am talking specifically about Usman and Saad, I think both are pretty good players of fast bowling.. Usman has scored on green pitches of North pitches all his life, while Saad was a class above the rest this season (extreme difficult pitches comparatively). Both of them should be given a long run along with Haris.
 
Some very good batters emerging but again they are not the product of IPL. Prithvi Shaw averages 56 in FC with 5 hundreds in 10 games, KL Rahul is Indian test opener and has an average of 50 in FC with more than 5000 runs, Pant averages 53 in FC, Shreyas Iyer averages 53 in FC, Sanju Samson has 9 FC hundreds and averages 39 and Shubman Gill was India's best player in the recently concluded U19 WC and already has a FC hundred in just 2 games. So success of this players in the IPL isn't very shocking. IPL is merely giving them the platform to exhibit their talent which luckily they have done.

These are all proper players who have come through the age cricket in India.
 
Quality of new batting talent coming out of IPL is just miles ahead of any other league.
 
Nasir Nawaz is one who comes to mind in terms of potential.

Where on earth is this guy? He looked like the next best thing since tandoori chicken. I know he spoke about PCB's lack of marketing skills and went missing ever since but he must be looked after. Looked really natural when it came to striking.
 
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Samson
Shaw
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Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?

Only Gill looks like a real prospect to me. Others are talented but just talent is not enough to become a top level batsman, they lack temperament. If others can improve their attitude and temperament than they might be something to look forward to.

At the moment only Gill is someone who has really impressed me.

Talking about our batsmen actually there are few who have talent but they need to show temperament which has always been the problem with our batsmen. Hussain Talat (Though has debuted) is a real prospect, he has got talent and temperament.

Also credit should be given to IPL franchises as they have been testing their bench strength. In PSL Saud Shakeel (Pretty impressive talent), Saad Ali, Taimur Sultan, Rohail Nazir, Hasan Mohsin, Mohammad Taha, Abdullah Shafique, Umar Siddiq, Mohammad Arif didnt even get a single game.

Not saying that they are all extraordinary but still how would we know if they are not even given a single chance. Numerous others werent selected and the ones who played like Saif Badar he was wasted at no 7. Look at Gill nobody saw how talented he was when he was wasted at no 7, one chance at higher number and he grabbed it.

Out of upcoming guys in PSL only Talat and Asif Ali were given proper chances and they both did brilliantly.
 
I am happy to see the fast bowling talent though.

Yes few bowlers bowling in 140s which is not enough, they are not accurate at all and skill wise havent been impressed with any, may be Chahar and thats just with new ball. Not sure if he can reverse swing the ball or do anything with the old ball.
 
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Pakistan hasn't still come off from Misbah culture of not trusting and promoting youngsters. 40 yr olds are still hogging places in domestic teams and potential youngsters particularly batsmen aren't getting enough chances.
 
Pakistan hasn't still come off from Misbah culture of not trusting and promoting youngsters. 40 yr olds are still hogging places in domestic teams and potential youngsters particularly batsmen aren't getting enough chances.

Will take us 5-6 years to recover from disastrous Misbah era.
 
Pakistan hasn't still come off from Misbah culture of not trusting and promoting youngsters. 40 yr olds are still hogging places in domestic teams and potential youngsters particularly batsmen aren't getting enough chances.

What's wrong with 40 year old guys playing in domestics???? It happens everywhere, in every cricket playing nation.
And how exactly is Misbah responsible for it if domestic teams want seniors in team; he doesn't even play in domestics now and his PSL team had most no. Of Pakistani youngsters.

The management needz to ensure that these oldies don't play for Pakistan and since Mickey has taken care of things; he has worked on this aspect and hopefully there will be no oldies playing for Pak in future.

But why should they be not allowed to play in domestic especially when they are performing for their respective teams.
 
I am very jealous of the batsmen mentioned in the OP. They can become quality international batsmen.
 
Pant
Rahul
Samson
Shaw
Gill
Iyer


Do we even have one promising upcoming batsman?

Firstly none of these guys were found by IPL.

Secondly guys like Rahul have been playing for India for the past few years but still struggling to cement their place in the team or win managements confidence.

If you think that performing in Pyjama Leagues is same as performing in Internationals then you are wrong. Pant is a proper tullaybaaz.

Shreyas Iyer looked like a sheep and couldn't even catch properly when the last time he played for India.

Samson is overhyped.

Shaw and Gill should be kept away from this Pyjama League. Giving them so much money without even getting a debut for India can distract them. They should be drafted into the Indian A team along with guys like Nagarkotti, Ishan Porel and that guy Shivam Mavi who bowled very well in the under 19 world cup.
 
Btw where is @bhaagveerubhaag? He was worried about future of Indian team.

What happened? Did anyone of these batsman helped us win the world cup? It's funny how pyjama league fans think that we will rule the world after watching mediocre batsman smacking runs left, right and centre. I have seen the same pyjama league fans cursing pant and iyer when they played for India.
 
Oh Bhai. How many of the players have won world cup for India ? Not Dravid , Not Ganguly ,not Laxman . Were they in any Pyjama league?? No. What happened then?
 
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Oh Bhai. How many of the players have won world cup for India ? Not Dravid , Not Ganguly ,not Laxman . Were they in any Pyjama league?? No. What happened then?
Looks like it went over your head. Forget world cup when did anyone of these(except rahul) batsman win a match for India? Mr [MENTION=146753]Send1983[/MENTION] is getting excited as if some of these batsman have won a world cup.

Let them come back to indian team and perform before thinking that we have found some real gems. Pant and Iyer I have already seen in Intl. Doesn't look as special as some of you are making them out. Gill and Shaw should stay away from this Pyjama League if they don't want to go Unmukt Chand's way.
 
The difference is they have a batting culture developed by quality coaching and mentoring at grassroots level. Their kids are also able to bat TIME in FC cricket - a guy like Karun Nair can come in and hit a triple hundred in his third Test.

Conversely, in our QEA Trophy on the damp, unprepared, two paced pitches seen all season our batsmen are only thinking of survival and eventually will have a ball with their name on it. You don't get the opportunity to bat hours at the crease and concentrate your mind on constructing a big innings. Right now I look at our Test team and I don't know where the next 100 is coming from, never mind a 300.
 
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The funny thing is that Pakistan has arguably the most promising upcoming LOI batsman in the world :babar
 
Looks like it went over your head. Forget world cup when did anyone of these(except rahul) batsman win a match for India? Mr [MENTION=146753]Send1983[/MENTION] is getting excited as if some of these batsman have won a world cup.

Let them come back to indian team and perform before thinking that we have found some real gems. Pant and Iyer I have already seen in Intl. Doesn't look as special as some of you are making them out. Gill and Shaw should stay away from this Pyjama League if they don't want to go Unmukt Chand's way.

Pant and Iyer have not played even 10 matches combined for India. So too early to state them as failures. I am not saying IPL discovered them. But due to IPL , we can watch these talents. But obviously they have to be selected in the Indian team . Unmukht Chand was a domestic failure as well. None of these guys are.
 
Cricket in IPL isn't exactly a high quality so the stats can be misleading. Most of these IPL batsmen struggle in T20Is but score ton of runs in IPL, heck even below par batsmen play 200+ SR knock every other inning. When you have tail-enders creating records that should more then enough to tell you all a bout the quality.
 
I have been quite vocal about S. Gill even before he appeared in U19 WC. I saw his batting from England tour and right away knew he is the next big thing.

I cant wait for the day when Gill and Kohli bat along side by side for India.
 
I have been quite vocal about S. Gill even before he appeared in U19 WC. I saw his batting from England tour and right away knew he is the next big thing.

I cant wait for the day when Gill and Kohli bat along side by side for India.

Kohli will be retired when Gill starts to be in the reckoning. Kohli and his Cheerleader side kick will make sure all his buddies gets their chances first.
 
Kohli will be retired when Gill starts to be in the reckoning. Kohli and his Cheerleader side kick will make sure all his buddies gets their chances first.

Kohli is still very young, he got at least 6 years of cricket left in him. If India do not select Gill for next 6 years then I swear on God, i’ll give up on Team India for good.
 
Kohli is still very young, he got at least 6 years of cricket left in him. If India do not select Gill for next 6 years then I swear on God, i’ll give up on Team India for good.

I can seriously see that happening man !! ( Not you giving up ;-) ). And when that happens , a new batch of U 19 would have graduated and will be the flavour of the season.
 
I can seriously see that happening man !! ( Not you giving up ;-) ). And when that happens , a new batch of U 19 would have graduated and will be the flavour of the season.

Man all we can do is hope. I seriously wish we had Inzi like selector, not afraid to try out youngsters even at ICC event. Our bunch are just going for experience even if player is good for nothing.
 
Man all we can do is hope. I seriously wish we had Inzi like selector, not afraid to try out youngsters even at ICC event. Our bunch are just going for experience even if player is good for nothing.

I can only hope that Kohli and Shastri really really really want to win, and will therefore choose the strongest team rather than hanging on to Dhoni, Rahane, Patel etc.
 
Firstly none of these guys were found by IPL.

Secondly guys like Rahul have been playing for India for the past few years but still struggling to cement their place in the team or win managements confidence.

If you think that performing in Pyjama Leagues is same as performing in Internationals then you are wrong. Pant is a proper tullaybaaz.

Shreyas Iyer looked like a sheep and couldn't even catch properly when the last time he played for India.

Samson is overhyped.

Shaw and Gill should be kept away from this Pyjama League. Giving them so much money without even getting a debut for India can distract them. They should be drafted into the Indian A team along with guys like Nagarkotti, Ishan Porel and that guy Shivam Mavi who bowled very well in the under 19 world cup.


Pant is a talanted player. Your too harsh on him here. IPL hasn't produced him your right with that though.
 
Don't get the hate. These kids have proven themselves in FC cricket too. IPL is just a platform for them to gain recognition like PSL is for ours albeit they haven't spent much time in the local circuit.
 
What happened? Did anyone of these batsman helped us win the world cup? It's funny how pyjama league fans think that we will rule the world after watching mediocre batsman smacking runs left, right and centre. I have seen the same pyjama league fans cursing pant and iyer when they played for India.

We are talking about talent and potential. Did you read the thread title? You are talking about performances and that too in WC. Seriously? How many of them played in WC first of all. You also put it on the first line that IPL didn’t find them. Why would IPL pick players from the street? Obviously players would have played some kind of domestic cricket before playing in IPL. I keep repeating this. Because I never got any answer from you. I am going to try for one last time. Money generated by IPL is being used for infrastructure development in all cricket centers in India. iPL being telecasted and promoted in rural area bringing in a lot of new cricket fans, with that, new young fans showing interest in playing cricket, huge amount of money being paid to young domestic players is encouraging Indian parents to allow their kids to take cricket as a profession. Because of all these we are seeing a lot Indian youngsters with great talent with the bat and a lot of youngsters bowling over 140+.

2 decades ago, things were different, hardly any money spent in domestic cricket. Hardly any fast bowlers available . We had batsmen, still we were relying on one or two batsmen. Parents were not encouraging kids to play cricket. Cricket was only played in main cities.
 
India never has a problem of producing batting talent. Sachin has established a benchmark and everyone wants to be him.

Out of the players listed, I would say Shaw and Gill will be stars. Rest will be good complimentary players. If Rahul can stay fit, he will be an Indian great for sure.

Rishabh Pant can become an all-time great. He is the most talented batsman in India and with white-ball cricket taking over, he is the future.
 
Rishabh Pant can become an all-time great. He is the most talented batsman in India and with white-ball cricket taking over, he is the future.

This statement is as absurd as some Pakistani fans saying that some no body like Usman is already better than Kohli.
 
Rishabh Pant can become an all-time great. He is the most talented batsman in India and with white-ball cricket taking over, he is the future.

Hyperbole. /hʌɪˈpəːbəli/ (noun)

On a more serious note, the batting talent in India has always been impressive since they have a batting culture that is deeply embedded. Shaw and Gill are interesting talents (arguably more so than a Pant), simply because there's a strong classicism in their batting approach. Which means that when touch deserts them, they have a foundation to fall back on. (Something that Pant doesn't which is why he can struggle when his 'see-ball-hit-ball' approach doesn't work immediately).

I think the lesson to be learnt here is coaching. If I were the PCB, I'd strongly consider the possibility of roping in top Indian coaches as our batting coaches. Having a Dravid or Laxman around to discuss technique is worth it's weight in gold. India realized this and they engaged Wasim Akram (albeit indirectly) as bowling coach in the IPL. Gotta rope in the best. I've read stories about how demanding batting coaches are in India, which probably translates to results too.
 
Hyperbole. /hʌɪˈpəːbəli/ (noun)

On a more serious note, the batting talent in India has always been impressive since they have a batting culture that is deeply embedded. Shaw and Gill are interesting talents (arguably more so than a Pant), simply because there's a strong classicism in their batting approach. Which means that when touch deserts them, they have a foundation to fall back on. (Something that Pant doesn't which is why he can struggle when his 'see-ball-hit-ball' approach doesn't work immediately).

I think the lesson to be learnt here is coaching. If I were the PCB, I'd strongly consider the possibility of roping in top Indian coaches as our batting coaches. Having a Dravid or Laxman around to discuss technique is worth it's weight in gold. India realized this and they engaged Wasim Akram (albeit indirectly) as bowling coach in the IPL. Gotta rope in the best. I've read stories about how demanding batting coaches are in India, which probably translates to results too.

More than a Laxman or Dravid, you guys should rope in Pravin Amre. He is the best batting coach in India.
 
More than a Laxman or Dravid, you guys should rope in Pravin Amre. He is the best batting coach in India.

Ah yes! Sorry I don't know their names but I remember stories about how Acherekar (sp?) who was Tendulkar's coach was an incredibly hard taskmaster. Same with Dravid. I just gave them as examples as Dravid clearly worked with the U19 Indian batting talent. You also want someone who won't hold grudges and bring that into his coaching (looking at you Younis bhai).
 
Ah yes! Sorry I don't know their names but I remember stories about how Acherekar (sp?) who was Tendulkar's coach was an incredibly hard taskmaster. Same with Dravid. I just gave them as examples as Dravid clearly worked with the U19 Indian batting talent. You also want someone who won't hold grudges and bring that into his coaching (looking at you Younis bhai).

Achrekar coached literally dozens of kids of not more. Not one of them was even remotely as good as Tendulkar. His brother is the single biggest reason for Tendulkars success. Shrewd, disciplined , focused and exceptionally well spoken. The only time he came out and spoke was after Tendulkar retired. So Without his familys support Tendulkar would have been lost to the brutal life that is the destiny of 99% of middle class or poor youth in India.
 
Hyperbole. /hʌɪˈpəːbəli/ (noun)

On a more serious note, the batting talent in India has always been impressive since they have a batting culture that is deeply embedded. Shaw and Gill are interesting talents (arguably more so than a Pant), simply because there's a strong classicism in their batting approach. Which means that when touch deserts them, they have a foundation to fall back on. (Something that Pant doesn't which is why he can struggle when his 'see-ball-hit-ball' approach doesn't work immediately).

I think the lesson to be learnt here is coaching. If I were the PCB, I'd strongly consider the possibility of roping in top Indian coaches as our batting coaches. Having a Dravid or Laxman around to discuss technique is worth it's weight in gold. India realized this and they engaged Wasim Akram (albeit indirectly) as bowling coach in the IPL. Gotta rope in the best. I've read stories about how demanding batting coaches are in India, which probably translates to results too.
Hiring coaches at senior level wont help your batsmen.You need a good domestic fc setup like us and good junior coaches and infrastructure.Creating good batsmen takes lot of time and effort.
 
Achrekar coached literally dozens of kids of not more. Not one of them was even remotely as good as Tendulkar. His brother is the single biggest reason for Tendulkars success. Shrewd, disciplined , focused and exceptionally well spoken. The only time he came out and spoke was after Tendulkar retired. So Without his familys support Tendulkar would have been lost to the brutal life that is the destiny of 99% of middle class or poor youth in India.

Sure that's all true. But takes nothing away from the importance of top quality batting coaches. You can clearly see how Bangaldesh's young batsmen have fallen away in the past year with the lack of a focussed coach. And I can see the same thing in Pakistan too.
 
Hiring coaches at senior level wont help your batsmen.You need a good domestic fc setup like us and good junior coaches and infrastructure.Creating good batsmen takes lot of time and effort.

Well obviously the change won't happen overnight and neither am I suggesting it will. However, it can't hurt with the talent that has already made it through (particularly Babar and Fakhar) to learn from the best. It's a much longer term goal (a decade maybe?) to be able to improve the grassroots coaching.
 
I don't like hyping up people. Among the guys Gill will be a next gen superstar. Rest of the guys have to work on some aspects of their game. I will be very disappointed if he doesn't go on to next level. He has serious potential.
 
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