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Australia vs Peru (Group C) - Sochi

Denmark vs France (Group C) - Moscow

Nigeria vs Argentina (Group D) - St. Petersburg

Iceland vs Croatia (Group D) - Rostov-On-Don
 
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Not sure why there are 2 matches at the same time, same thing happened yesterday :/
 
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France is probably caught in between - should they go for all-out attack & win the group or settle for a 2nd spot (by losing), and get into apparently easier half of route to Finals.

Kimpembe for Umtiti probably was due, same Sidibe over Pavard; but not sure why Pogba, Mbappe & Lloris should sit out if they are serious about winning. Ideally, I would have liked Raboit instead of N'Zonzi in the squad, but N'Zonzi also had a great season.
 
What a waste of time - this game was destined for 0-0 :(
 
FIFA World Cup 2018 | June 26 | Day 13 | Discussion Thread (4 matches) Australia vs Peru (Group C)

With the exception of Fekir, the whole French team looked sedated. They`ve absolutely sleep-walked the match. A very, very weak showing by what is considered a strong team. Easily the worst match of the tournament. The quotes below from the German commentator sums up things perfectly.....

"I hope they don't get too much of a Stoppage Time because I can't anymore commentate through such a boring match."

"I`m pondering who the Man of the Match will be. It should either be all or no one at all."
 
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MMHS said:
France is probably caught in between - should they go for all-out attack & win the group or settle for a 2nd spot (by losing), and get into apparently easier half of route to Finals.

Kimpembe for Umtiti probably was due, same Sidibe over Pavard; but not sure why Pogba, Mbappe & Lloris should sit out if they are serious about winning. Ideally, I would have liked Raboit instead of N'Zonzi in the squad, but N'Zonzi also had a great season.
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Raboit should have gone instead of N'Zonzi. Was surprised he was selected.
 
Giroud limits Frances game so much. The opposition just need to push up and stop the crosses. That's Giroud out of the game.

Demeble-Griezmann-Mbappe should be the front 3 .
 
Higuain starts . Hopefully he doesn't choke:amla

Glad Bangea is starting. Messi won't drop as deep now surely. Pavon should have started instead of Di Maria. Di Maria has never done it for Argentina when it matters.
 
Argentina change their keeper. :)

Big big game , the biggest in the tournament so far.

Come on Messi.
 
I feel, Arges will need to score twice today - their back 5 isn't good enough to keep Nigeria goal less for 90 minutes.
 
Argentina has started quite aggressively and pressing hard - they must take a lead here, otherwise if 1st half ends 0-0, they won't be able to press such against Nigeria for 90 minutes.

Messi scores.
 
Messi with vision of an Eagle passes perfectly to Higuin who doesn't do it justice.

Great game this.
 
Iceland are playing well against Croatia but yet to hit the net.

All still to play for in this group.
 
Fantastic goal from Messi there, Argentina and Lionel himself desperately needed that; will be tough for Nigeria from here, the energy of the players is better and they're all feeding of Messi's improved body language
 
Moses cool as a cuecumber slotting in the pen to make it 1-1.

This game is on a knife edge now.
 
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Another African side robbed here - this time referee had the chance to see the replay!!!!! And I am sure Senegal will miss out as well.
 
MMHS said:
Another African side robbed here - this time referee had the chance to see the replay!!!!! And I am sure Senegal will miss out as well.
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Robbed ? It wasn't a penalty. There was no intention to handle the ball.
 
Another thrilling / high quality football game, congrats to argentina fans
 
Hasan123 said:
Robbed ? It wasn't a penalty. There was no intention to handle the ball.
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High ball, 1 on 1 situation; defender jumps to clear the common ball and handles it WITH RAISED ARM - you think, every handball that's given are intentional?

If this one is not Penalty, then what's difference between defender & goal keeper?
 
MMHS said:
High ball, 1 on 1 situation; defender jumps to clear the common ball and handles it WITH RAISED ARM - you think, every handball that's given are intentional?

If this one is not Penalty, then what's difference between defender & goal keeper?
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Hand balls should only be given if it's deliberate hand ball.

I don't think you would be calling for a penalty if it was Argentina in that situation.
 
Hasan123 said:
Hand balls should only be given if it's deliberate hand ball.

I don't think you would be calling for a penalty if it was Argentina in that situation.
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I would have - I don't have any bias to any team. Intentional or not, Nigeria was in scoring position and defender made the mistake trying to clear it - in that case you can't give penalty against mistimed challenge, unless defender's intention is to hurt the forward. This is 2nd favor to Argentina - last time they got a Penalty against Ice Land when ball was flying 2 metre above the forward;.

FIFA wanted high profile team in 2nd round & FRA-ARG is much high profile than FRA-NGR.
 
Nigeria missed 2 golden chances before Rojos goal.

The handball wasnt given but Argentina also had a half decent shout for penalty just before that
 
MMHS said:
I would have - I don't have any bias to any team. Intentional or not, Nigeria was in scoring position and defender made the mistake trying to clear it - in that case you can't give penalty against mistimed challenge, unless defender's intention is to hurt the forward. This is 2nd favor to Argentina - last time they got a Penalty against Ice Land when ball was flying 2 metre above the forward;.

FIFA wanted high profile team in 2nd round & FRA-ARG is much high profile than FRA-NGR.
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If the ball hit directly onto a raised arm/hand then it's handball but once it comes off another part of the body and deflects it cannot be classified as deliberate as you would need superman reflexes with the ball at such pace.
 
MMHS said:
I would have - I don't have any bias to any team. Intentional or not, Nigeria was in scoring position and defender made the mistake trying to clear it - in that case you can't give penalty against mistimed challenge, unless defender's intention is to hurt the forward. This is 2nd favor to Argentina - last time they got a Penalty against Ice Land when ball was flying 2 metre above the forward;.

FIFA wanted high profile team in 2nd round & FRA-ARG is much high profile than FRA-NGR.
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No that was not a penalty as the ball deflected from his head and then onto his hand and then became a nice volley for Nigerian player. Giving penalty there through VAR would have been very harsh on Argentina.
 
MMHS said:
I would have - I don't have any bias to any team. Intentional or not, Nigeria was in scoring position and defender made the mistake trying to clear it - in that case you can't give penalty against mistimed challenge, unless defender's intention is to hurt the forward. This is 2nd favor to Argentina - last time they got a Penalty against Ice Land when ball was flying 2 metre above the forward;.

FIFA wanted high profile team in 2nd round & FRA-ARG is much high profile than FRA-NGR.
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Slide tackles are different to hand balls. You still have the choice to handle. With a hand ball you can try to get your hand out of the way. Rojo was looking at the ball and was clearly trying to head it.

Your talking about Argetina getting a lucky penalty against Iceland, What about the blatant 1 that was missed by the referee? He didn't even check on VAR!!!!!!

Yes FIFA are the 1s who didn't track the run of Rojo and FIFA are the ones who missed Igholo chances as well . :)

African teams can't handle the pressure. Simple.
 
MMHS said:
High ball, 1 on 1 situation; defender jumps to clear the common ball and handles it WITH RAISED ARM - you think, every handball that's given are intentional?

If this one is not Penalty, then what's difference between defender & goal keeper?
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That's never a penalty

The difference being a keeper intentionally makes saves with his hands whereas what Rojo did was not deliberate and his arms were not in an unnatural position
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
That's never a penalty

The difference being a keeper intentionally makes saves with his hands whereas what Rojo did was not deliberate and his arms were not in an unnatural position
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I can't prove because it was against Nigeria. Almost at the same time, Ice land was given a penalty in other game.

Any way, getting refereeing favor is not new for Argentina, hope they play well against France when the refereeing will be even.
 
Greenstorm said:
No that was not a penalty as the ball deflected from his head and then onto his hand and then became a nice volley for Nigerian player. Giving penalty there through VAR would have been very harsh on Argentina.
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If this is not a penalty, then majority of penalty given this year doesn't make sense. I hope Argentine fans won't cry foul once they face European teams or Brazil.
 
Hasan123 said:
Slide tackles are different to hand balls. You still have the choice to handle. With a hand ball you can try to get your hand out of the way. Rojo was looking at the ball and was clearly trying to head it.

Your talking about Argetina getting a lucky penalty against Iceland, What about the blatant 1 that was missed by the referee? He didn't even check on VAR!!!!!!

Yes FIFA are the 1s who didn't track the run of Rojo and FIFA are the ones who missed Igholo chances as well . :)

African teams can't handle the pressure. Simple.
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Nigeria will lose this game I knew. While this is the first clear handball this WC, that didn't earn penalty, but fair enough, it's Nigeria.

What I don't understand is you are trying to prove 2 things equal - someone shoots the ball, it hits the thigh of a defender, then deflects on to the arm and defender is trying to clear a high ball, deflects his high header to his raised arm ......

If it was fair enough & Nigerian striker got the chance to hit it, my question is why referee went for VAR? He should have denied it first time.
 
MMHS said:
I can't prove because it was against Nigeria. Almost at the same time, Ice land was given a penalty in other game.

Any way, getting refereeing favor is not new for Argentina, hope they play well against France when the refereeing will be even.
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I haven't seen the Iceland penalty yet so can't comment BUT regardless of why that one was given is irrelevant, that way you can justify any decision/non decision because there are wrong decisions made all the time.

The reality is this was the correct decision, the laws of the game support that. You're adamant it is a penalty BUT you can't provide a legitimate reason for that being the case apart from highlighting other penalties.

Maybe in previous tournaments Argentina have benefited BUT they've not had any favours during this tournament, on the contrary actually, for example Croatia should have went down to 10 men before the same guy that should have seen red opened the scoring.
 
MMHS said:
Nigeria will lose this game I knew. While this is the first clear handball this WC, that didn't earn penalty, but fair enough, it's Nigeria.

What I don't understand is you are trying to prove 2 things equal - someone shoots the ball, it hits the thigh of a defender, then deflects on to the arm and defender is trying to clear a high ball, deflects his high header to his raised arm ......

If it was fair enough & Nigerian striker got the chance to hit it, my question is why referee went for VAR? He should have denied it first time.
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It was the VAR team that asked the referee to have another look at it, he checked it and stuck with his original decision. It was a legitimate use of VAR and ultimately the correct decision was made.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
It was the VAR team that asked the referee to have another look at it, he checked it and stuck with his original decision. It was a legitimate use of VAR and ultimately the correct decision was made.
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We are back to squire again - right call was made, because it was Nigeria. VAR team didn't ask referee to look at it at the beginning - he did that on the protest of Nigeria.

Coming to the rule of penalty, I am quite clear about the law, but referee has scopes to use own judgement; here he used in favor of Argentina, mainly due to that the suffering side being Nigeria.

The reason, I stated in earlier post as well - a sliding defender deflecting a shot or header to his arm can't control his motion, neither his reflex to avoid the deflected ball; so he has an alibi. BUT, a defender jumping high for a common ball to clear it, and heading it on to his arm at chest height - is stone cold penalty. Headed clear of a high balls is a skill for a defender, not a chance - he can't deflect it to his arm below head line, while clearing it. If it was a diving clearance, with head parallel to arm, and ball deflects from head to arm, I could have an argument - here he deflected the ball to his arm, intention doesn't matter. This is for a popular team Argentina and against an un-fancied African team Nigeria, hence everyone is trying to find justification and media is more or less avoiding the "touchy" discussion, otherwise British media still is crying after 32 years.

Anyway, I can't change the result and neither prove what would have happened if role was reversed, hence I accepted the result and wished good luck to Argentina against France.
 
However, what I understand is, Referee gave a soft penalty for Nigeria half an hour before, therefore it would have been harsh for Arges as well to miss out for couple of debatable penalties.

On the context of the game, I actually can see a reasoning (for Referee), but I believe if it was still 0-1, he would have called it in favor of Nigeria (And for Germany, Brazil, France, England, Spain, Italy - even if it was 1-1 :( )
 
MMHS said:
We are back to squire again - right call was made, because it was Nigeria. VAR team didn't ask referee to look at it at the beginning - he did that on the protest of Nigeria.

Coming to the rule of penalty, I am quite clear about the law, but referee has scopes to use own judgement; here he used in favor of Argentina, mainly due to that the suffering side being Nigeria.

The reason, I stated in earlier post as well - a sliding defender deflecting a shot or header to his arm can't control his motion, neither his reflex to avoid the deflected ball; so he has an alibi. BUT, a defender jumping high for a common ball to clear it, and heading it on to his arm at chest height - is stone cold penalty. Headed clear of a high balls is a skill for a defender, not a chance - he can't deflect it to his arm below head line, while clearing it. If it was a diving clearance, with head parallel to arm, and ball deflects from head to arm, I could have an argument - here he deflected the ball to his arm, intention doesn't matter. This is for a popular team Argentina and against an un-fancied African team Nigeria, hence everyone is trying to find justification and media is more or less avoiding the "touchy" discussion, otherwise British media still is crying after 32 years.

Anyway, I can't change the result and neither prove what would have happened if role was reversed, hence I accepted the result and wished good luck to Argentina against France.
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You can't say intention doesn't matter when it clearly does, it's handball if it's intentional or the arm is in an unnatural position, Rojo's was neither so not sure why you're calling for a penalty for something that isn't.

I do agree there is a consistency issue BUT unfortunately that happens when you get referees from throughout the world who referee to different standards and scrutiny.

The penalty Iran got against Portugal should not have been given for similar reasons because it was not intentional and arm was not in an unnatural position.

Also you're right the penalty Nigeria got was very generous, not a penalty for me so this idea that the referee favoured Argentina is simply not true.
 
FIFA World Cup 2018 | June 26 | Day 13 | Discussion Thread (4 matches) Australia vs Peru (Group C)

Wow, what great drama the last night! An amazing, amazing match, and the score of the Croatia-Iceland match added to the excitement. A great match, easily one of the top three matches of the tournament so far.

Messi survives, just. My father is a huge fan of this guy, so for his sake I´m supporting them as my second team. Although not just for his sake, the guy is a genius on his day. An absolute delight to watch. Just how efficient was that free-kick that hit the pole?!
 
MMHS said:
Nigeria will lose this game I knew. While this is the first clear handball this WC, that didn't earn penalty, but fair enough, it's Nigeria.

What I don't understand is you are trying to prove 2 things equal - someone shoots the ball, it hits the thigh of a defender, then deflects on to the arm and defender is trying to clear a high ball, deflects his high header to his raised arm ......

If it was fair enough & Nigerian striker got the chance to hit it, my question is why referee went for VAR? He should have denied it first time.
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The rule book says there needs to be intent to handle the ball. If that's a penalty, your going to get 10 penalties a game.

He went to VAR because he wanted to check the decision. It was checked and referee didn't give it.
 
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