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For US dwellers : How will your life change if Donald Trump becomes president?

Mrs Robert said today that we thought we had got rid of discrimination - but all we did was sit on the xenophobes. Now Brexit and Trump have been vehicles for this darkness to come back to the surface.

Trump said right things at the right time and place. He targeted the Americans who have been hurt by the previous government and big businesses. No one had time to research up on Bernie. Trump was very protective, people like being protected, especially those who had been hurt in the past. Trump appealed to them and it worked. Hillary's body language was bad all along, it didn't match what was coming out of her mouth. Trump was genuine. He may have said racist things but that isn't what got him elected, majority of the US states are a bit backward anyway. Remember this is the country that elected George Bush twice.
 
You could say exactly the same thing for Hindus I would imagine.

False, we don't put our religion above everything else. Hinduism isn't a way of life and we understand that it is one of the identity. For most Hindus, it is either their country, culture or language that comes first before religion. Obviously there are some nut jobs in our religion that think otherwise. The world never viewed Hinduism as a threat to the western world. We'll be fine wherever we go, we don't need to defend our religion.


I had to cringe while typing "we ".
 
False, we don't put our religion above everything else. Hinduism isn't a way of life and we understand that it is one of the identity. For most Hindus, it is either their country, culture or language that comes first before religion. Obviously there are some nut jobs in our religion that think otherwise. The world never viewed Hinduism as a threat to the western world. We'll be fine wherever we go, we don't need to defend our religion.


I had to cringe while typing "we ".

So you wont have a problem if you are not allowed to build a mandir in north London or if you are told to have your weddings in a church and not a traditional hindu one?

I know its "fashionable" to be anti-Muslim but really...
 
So you wont have a problem if you are not allowed to build a mandir in north London or if you are told to have your weddings in a church and not a traditional hindu one?

I know its "fashionable" to be anti-Muslim but really...

Who said "I'm anti-Muslim" ? Your assumption is wrong. I'm gonna let you prove your claim. The fear among the lowest common denominator in the western world is that Muslims hate them and they are going to take them over. To feed into their fear, you have Fox news showing clips of nut jobs saying they will bring Sharia to US. We don't have any world renown nut jobs and they can never show Hinduism as a threat. Even if they show a video clip of RSS, the vast majority will think he is some kind of Swamiji offering blessings.

Religion comes only second for us(In my opinion), but it is our identity. It is one of our identity. People will always rebel when people try to oppress their identity. Just because religion comes second to us, does that mean our religion should be discriminated ? Heck no.
 
What does this has to do with him being Hindu ? It is pretty dumb to state that it is "not bad" and suggest to keep your head down low and tolerate whats coming to him but what does this has to do with Hindu?

It was in response to when he started barking about UK Muslims/Anjem Choudhery and how Americans would never put up with Muslims like this etc. It was probably just a lucky guess.
 
i'm neither muslim nor american but i fail to see how trump would be worse for muslims than hillary has been.

over the last few day's we've heard about her reasons for the overthrow of gaddafi and donations received by her from saudi arabia and qatar. during her tenure we have seen a million plus muslims die. i can't see trump doing anything worse
lot of US muslims are sheep tbh and have been brainwashed into thinking that Hillary is better for them than Trump. I was watching an urdu news channel (before elections) where the reporter was interviewing US muslims about who they are voting for. one guy said Hilary so the reporter ask that Hilary has been in politics power for so many years, tell one good thing which Hilary has done and the guy could not answer and yet he was planning to vote for Hilary :facepalm:
 
lot of US muslims are sheep tbh and have been brainwashed into thinking that Hillary is better for them than Trump. I was watching an urdu news channel (before elections) where the reporter was interviewing US muslims about who they are voting for. one guy said Hilary so the reporter ask that Hilary has been in politics power for so many years, tell one good thing which Hilary has done and the guy could not answer and yet he was planning to vote for Hilary :facepalm:

I have actually spoken to some Pakistani American friends and even some distant relatives and i am surprised to find out that a lot of them voted for Trump.
 
Trump's inner circle include people like Newt Gingrich (who has openly declared his disdain for Palestinian statehood), Rudy Guiliani and John Bolton.

Yep, the same neocon warhawk John Bolton who was George Bush's Ambassador to the UN who once spoke about blowing up the UN headquarters.

Then there's General Michael Flynn, former director of the DIA, who in interviews this summer refused to rule out the use of torture under a Trump Administration.

So I'd hold my breath about these guys holding hands and singing kumbaya with the Muslim World. Let's see whether they moderate their rhetoric in office.
 
This is an argument that really needs debunking.

"He won't get to do any of the crazy things he promises"

Do you guys realise there's a good chance the Republicans, who've been hijacked by the far-right Tea Party loons in recent years, hold onto the Senate and House ? If there's a swing to Trump its likely he'd also control Congress.

Also there is a vacancy on the Supreme Court after Scalia's passing. There may be even more during the next 8 years. You don't think Trump would nominate a hard-right judge ?

BTW people also said this about George W Bush. That he's incompetent, he's an idiot, he won't do anything - how did that work out ?

the bolded part has happened. Republicans have absolute power now.
 
Trump's inner circle include people like Newt Gingrich (who has openly declared his disdain for Palestinian statehood), Rudy Guiliani and John Bolton.

Yep, the same neocon warhawk John Bolton who was George Bush's Ambassador to the UN who once spoke about blowing up the UN headquarters.

Then there's General Michael Flynn, former director of the DIA, who in interviews this summer refused to rule out the use of torture under a Trump Administration.

So I'd hold my breath about these guys holding hands and singing kumbaya with the Muslim World. Let's see whether they moderate their rhetoric in office.

It's no different from George W Bush's cabinet, but Obama has more Muslim blood on his hand compared to Bush so these things don't really tell much.
 
Trump's inner circle include people like Newt Gingrich (who has openly declared his disdain for Palestinian statehood), Rudy Guiliani and John Bolton.

Voting for Hillary Clinton wouldn't have guaranteed Palestinian statehood either. Israel is the ally of the United States, and both couldn't care less for any Palestine. Unless the likes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan put boots on the ground to 'reconquer' that land, no Palestine is happening, Trump or no Trump.

Yep, the same neocon warhawk John Bolton who was George Bush's Ambassador to the UN who once spoke about blowing up the UN headquarters.

Sounds like a random comment referred to tangentially without context. Rest assured, no United Nations building has been or will be blown up by the American military.

Then there's General Michael Flynn, former director of the DIA, who in interviews this summer refused to rule out the use of torture under a Trump Administration.

Torture is a US policy, no matter who is President. Obama appears to be the biggest fraud in this regard; for Guantanamo Bay is still open, and at least 80 detainees remain there as of April 2016.

So I'd hold my breath about these guys holding hands and singing kumbaya with the Muslim World. Let's see whether they moderate their rhetoric in office.

No US President will sing hymns with the Muslim world, be it Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Obama or Trump.
 
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Voting for Hillary Clinton wouldn't have guaranteed Palestinian statehood either. Israel is the ally of the United States, and both couldn't care less for any Palestine. Unless the likes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan put boots on the ground to 'reconquer' that land, no Palestine is happening, Trump or no Trump.



Sounds like a random comment referred to tangentially without context. Rest assured, no United Nations building has been or will be blown up by the American military.



Torture is a US policy, no matter who is President. Obama appears to be the biggest fraud in this regard; for Guantanamo Bay is still open, and at least 80 detainees remain there as of April 2016.



No US President will sing hymns with the Muslim world, be it Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Obama or Trump.

Firstly, I see you've ran away from my reply in #75 where I gave evidence debunking your lie that I never criticised Hillary Clinton. Please retract that false claim before we proceed with this argument.
 
Firstly, I see you've ran away from my reply in #75 where I gave evidence debunking your lie that I never criticised Hillary Clinton. Please retract that false claim before we proceed with this argument.

Fine, you only grudgingly warmed up to Clinton only after your preferred candidate in Sanders was out of the reckoning.

Now for post #92. Go ahead.
 
Of course I accept democracy and its outcomes but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to voice an opinion on the verdict.

I'm not wrong that this man is a racist, sexual assaulter, bigot, incompetent and ignorant. Those things are on the record.

And it is because of that ignorance and incompetence he's exhibited in his career - namely Trump University, Trump Mortgages, Trump Airlines, Trump Casinos and many, many more examples - why he won't last long as President.

He's just lucky that he had a TERRIBLE opponent in Hillary Clinton to run against, was able to capture enough angry white voters, and votes from seemingly self-hating ethnic minorities like yourself who are startlingly willing to ignore this man and his supporters' vicious racism and xenophobia.

you are wrong. Donald Trump is not a racist, not a sexual assaulter, not a bigot, not an incompetent nor an ignorant. dont believe everything democrats fed you.
 
It's no different from George W Bush's cabinet, but Obama has more Muslim blood on his hand compared to Bush so these things don't really tell much.

That's the problem - its not a clean break from the Bush neocon era. If Trump is really going to roll back the Empire, then he should appoint his staff accordingly. But we'll see how the transition plays out.

Whilst I agree with most of your points in this thread, I would dispute the bolded part. Let's not underestimate the damage Bush did in the Middle East. The Iraq invasion of 2003 have precipitated conflicts that's seen a death toll of over a million and rising. He did no post-invasion planning and presided over the de-Baathification that led to the disempowerment of huge numbers of Sunnis in the public services causing conditions for the Sunni insurgency.

He also bungled Afghanistan getting drawn into a costly occupation and failed to capture OBL, which Obama did in two years. The torture programme under Bush saw the deaths of suspects in custody detained without trial.

Bush left behind an atrocious foreign policy inheritance, that's not to say Obama hasn't mistakes, but it was a tough in-tray given to him.

This is why its CRITICAL that Trump has a smart team around him and not the Bush-era guys. Trump showed a lack of understanding of complex foreign affairs on the campaign trail, but he can do the right thing by appointing folks who DO have that expertise.
 
Fine, you only grudgingly warmed up to Clinton only after your preferred candidate in Sanders was out of the reckoning.

Now for post #92. Go ahead.

Appreciated. I'll address John Bolton in a separate post as we could be here all night about him...

Voting for Hillary Clinton wouldn't have guaranteed Palestinian statehood either. Israel is the ally of the United States, and both couldn't care less for any Palestine. Unless the likes of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan put boots on the ground to 'reconquer' that land, no Palestine is happening, Trump or no Trump.

Camp David Summit occurred under Bill Clinton in 2000 so its not like the Clintons haven't tried. Whereas Donald Trump has ENDORSED settlement expansion in the West Bank which is illegal under international law and even the US opposes it. Trump also said in his AIPAC speech he would recognise undivided Jerusalem as Israel's capital which is not even current US policy (as pro-Israel as it is).

However, yes I'm under no illusions on this. A two state solution is difficult not only in terms of practicality given current settlement expansion, but also because the current Netanyahu Administration is extremely right-wing and hardline. However I'd like to see the Trump Administration at least acknowledge in rhetoric what is decades-long internationally recognised policy which recognises Palestinian statehood.

Walking away from that is catastrophic for the peace process.

Torture is a US policy, no matter who is President. Obama appears to be the biggest fraud in this regard; for Guantanamo Bay is still open, and at least 80 detainees remain there as of April 2016.
Woah there ! No its not, torture is completely illegal and in violation of the Eighteenth Amendment which forbids the federal govt from using "cruel and unusual punishment". Torture has no place in the civilised world. Even after WW2, the Allies didn't torture Nazis during interrogation. Yet Trump repeatedly calls for torture "worse than waterboarding" even on innocent suspects !

Not only torture's immoral, but it doesn't work. America waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammad 183 times and got nothing but garbage information ! It doesn't produce reliable evidence, which is what the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded, yet Trump wants to return to this.

I hated Obama's decision to not prosecute Bush-era officials for torture as in his words "we look forwards not backwards" so he's partly complicit, but he did order a stop to torture. As for Gitmo - Republican obstructionism in Congress is to blame.
 
That's the problem - its not a clean break from the Bush neocon era. If Trump is really going to roll back the Empire, then he should appoint his staff accordingly. But we'll see how the transition plays out.

Whilst I agree with most of your points in this thread, I would dispute the bolded part. Let's not underestimate the damage Bush did in the Middle East. The Iraq invasion of 2003 have precipitated conflicts that's seen a death toll of over a million and rising. He did no post-invasion planning and presided over the de-Baathification that led to the disempowerment of huge numbers of Sunnis in the public services causing conditions for the Sunni insurgency.

He also bungled Afghanistan getting drawn into a costly occupation and failed to capture OBL, which Obama did in two years. The torture programme under Bush saw the deaths of suspects in custody detained without trial.

Bush left behind an atrocious foreign policy inheritance, that's not to say Obama hasn't mistakes, but it was a tough in-tray given to him.

This is why its CRITICAL that Trump has a smart team around him and not the Bush-era guys. Trump showed a lack of understanding of complex foreign affairs on the campaign trail, but he can do the right thing by appointing folks who DO have that expertise.

Anyways, i believe the most pressing immediate concerns for Muslims Living in the US, Muslims traveling to the US, Muslims studying and working in the US is that Donald Trump does not create Nazi Germany type conditions for them.
 
I bet there gonna be white militias going on mass killing spree of muslims and minorities.
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] - As for John Bolton, I hope Trump stays the hell away from him. If John Bolton is Trump's Secretary of State, Clinton will appear like a hippy compared to him. So let me explain:

1) Bolton's comment about "blowing up the UN" of course wasn't literal, but meant to reflect how doesn't believe the US should be bound by multilateral institutions. He was prominent in the Federalist Society - a far-right organisation that opposes the US abiding by international agreements. Bolton said the proudest day of his life was when the US unsigned from the Rome Statute - hence the US is not a party to the International Criminal Court.

He played a lead role in US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, which was signed under Richard Nixon and a part of Cold War arms control policy, so hundreds of billions could be wasted on a "missile defence shield" - again showing Bolton's disregard for international treaties. Throughout his time as Under Secretary of State, he undermined international attempts for arms control.

2) He tried to politicise the intelligence service. If you didn't agree with his assessment that for example, Cuba were trying to export WMDs then he tried to force you out as he did with the State Department's chief weapons analyst and a CIA official for Latin America. Then he lied about doing so under oath.

Carl Ford, former State Department intelligence chief said of Bolton, "I've never seen anybody quite like Secretary Bolton. I don't have a second, third or fourth in terms of the way that he abuses his power and authority with little people."

3) He was one of the architects for the Iraq War. Bolton played a major role in the lying and deceit - most notably around the claim that Iraq were trying to buy "yellowcake" from Niger which was false.

4) Taiwangate. John Bolton, then undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, submitted pro-Taiwan testimony to Congress in the 1990s without revealing he was a paid consultant to Taiwan. His work for Taiwan, it turns out, was financed by a secret Taiwan government slush fund.

5) Bolton repeatedly called for Iran to be bombed and opposed the Iran nuclear deal.

Bolton has worked for every neocon, warmongering think tank you can think of and there isn't a war he hasn't supported.
 
you are wrong. Donald Trump is not a racist, not a sexual assaulter, not a bigot, not an incompetent nor an ignorant. dont believe everything democrats fed you.

Its all on the record brother. I followed this campaign from Day 1 and heard it from the horse's mouth - go see for yourself.

Nearly a dozen women have accused him of sexual assault.

His racism - do I really need to explain ?! Ran a campaign George Wallace would've been proud of. He even got sued for housing discrimination against blacks in the 80s.

Ignorance of issues - go watch Trump's interview with Hugh Hewitt, doesn't even know difference between Hamas and Hezbollah. Always speaks in vagaries and generalities.

Incompetent - filed for bankruptcy SIX times and then brags about swindling his investors. Trump Airlines, Trump casinos, Trump Mortgages and many other ventures he's driven into the ground.

I'm not saying the election result should be overturned,I accept Trump's win - but I do want people to know who the person is that's been given the keys to the most powerful political office in the world.
 
What does this has to do with him being Hindu ? It is pretty dumb to state that it is "not bad" and suggest to keep your head down low and tolerate whats coming to him but what does this has to do with Hindu?

'Suggest to keep your head down and tolerate' ? Show me where I said that...
 
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My gut feeling is Trumph is all talk, like the saying goes; barking dog never bites... He will be like all the other presidents before him and wont do anything, life will go on. This reminds me a little bit of the paranoia that was around when Modi became prime minister, muslims were saying they dont feel safe and this and that would happen to them. Nothing happened to muslims any worst than what happened during when Congress government was in charge, now everyone is moving on with their lives...
 
But "nothing will change" said the armchair PP pundits.

https://thinkprogress.org/islamophobia-two-days-since-election-c4e20bc4c18c#.5p6dob5ur

Less than 48 hours since Donald Trump became the president-elect, reports of Islamophobia are already on the rise.

Attacks on Muslim Americans were already high before Trump clinched enough electoral college delegates to win the presidency on Tuesday night, with hate group experts attributing the uptick to his candidacy. But the situation appears to have worsened since his win. Here are just a few examples of Muslim American reporting instances of harassment and assault this week.

A San Diego State University says she was robbed and may have had her car stolen by two men who “made comments about President-elect Donald Trump and the Muslim community,” according to a statement from campus police. Officials are calling the attack a hate crime.

At New York University, Muslim students reportedly awoke to discover that the door to their prayer room had been defaced with the word “Trump!”

At San Jose State University, a campus-wide alert sent to students reported that a woman had her hijab forcibly removed by a “fair skinned male” with such force that it “caused the victim to lose her balance and choked her.”

According to campus police, a student at the University of Louisiana, Lafayette was was beaten, robbed, and had her hijab ripped off by two men, one of whom wore a white “TRUMP” hat. The suspects reportedly beat the woman with “something metal.”

A Muslim woman in Albuquerque, New Mexico claimed on Twitter that a Trump supporter tried to pull off her hijab at her university. She said school officials are now investigating the incident.

A Muslim woman reported that a woman verbally and physically attacked her at a Walmart, tugging at her hijab while saying that such headwear “is not allowed anymore.” She then reportedly suggested the woman hang herself.
 
As I posted earlier people should migrate why stay in a country where a significant maybe even majority of people don't like you, most of these guys are immigrants or children of immigrants, if their parents could move to another country than they should be able to move back.
Real men don't runaway from their problems.
 
It's not a problem of food or drink but religion, Prophet Muhammad(Saw) migrated from mecca to medinah, muslims should take example from this.

There's lots of land in America, if things get tough we can create a colony like the Amish somewhere in the western states.
 

Similar incidents were reported after br exit as well but seem to have died down now.

It's the world we live in and is clearly not just attributable to this event and is not exclusive to this either. Such events occur all over Europe and uk whenever there is a terrorist attack or when election season is going on.

Ofcourse it's reprehensible and trumps rhetoric plays a role but it's hardly isolated case globally
 
As I posted earlier people should migrate why stay in a country where a significant maybe even majority of people don't like you, most of these guys are immigrants or children of immigrants, if their parents could move to another country than they should be able to move back.

That might apply to immigrants who still hold passports to their land of birth, but I would imagine there would be a fair number of Muslims who were born in USA. How would they move back?

A more sensible solution would be to remove recognisable wear which would distinguish them as Muslims such as beards or hijabs. I would give the same advice to Sikhs and have done so in the past as well.
 
Have you considered leaving the US in the wake of Trump's election?

To Pakistani-Americans here: Has leaving the US ever crossed your mind?

Islamophobia has been mainstreamed with Trump's election. Talk of a Muslim registry is not to far from Japanese internment camps during WWII. These are ominous signs. And it will only get worse. Terrorism is a worldwide problem and it is only inevitable when it once again strikes the US (God forbid). So, Muslims in the US are on a slippery slope.

Have you made any contingency plans? Or, am I being too polemical here?
 
Btw Millenials voted against Trump. So the future of America lookin' good, it's the baby boomers who need to stop ruining this country. They been ruling this country for the last 25 years.

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Nah if you leave racists will win because thats they want everyone who is not like them to leave. Stay where you are it makes racists angry and it should be your goal to make them angry. Learn from that Indian Australian guy who installed a lot of security cameras in his home.
 
Nah if you leave racists will win because thats they want everyone who is not like them to leave. Stay where you are it makes racists angry and it should be your goal to make them angry. Learn from that Indian Australian guy who installed a lot of security cameras in his home.

Comparing the Muslim experience with other groups is disingenuous. Radical Indians aren't carrying out terrorist attacks in Australia. If God Forbid there's a terrorist attack, this will get much, much worse.
 
Comparing the Muslim experience with other groups is disingenuous. Radical Indians aren't carrying out terrorist attacks in Australia. If God Forbid there's a terrorist attack, this will get much, much worse.

Well if Radical terrorists are carrying attacks then they alone are responsible. We are not responsible for what other people do.
 
Nah if you leave racists will win because thats they want everyone who is not like them to leave. Stay where you are it makes racists angry and it should be your goal to make them angry. Learn from that Indian Australian guy who installed a lot of security cameras in his home.

While I agree, I think that's a hard sell to parents with young children.
 
While I agree, I think that's a hard sell to parents with young children.

Well I don't have kids so I don't how I would feel. Some people think schools in Pakistan are not good enough for their kids. But what can happen, at worst other might call them terrorists or tell them to go back to wherever they came from. As Friedrich Nietzsche said "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger".
 
If one doesn't want to be labelled and recognized by their religion they should make a similar effort towards other groups.
Nevertheless its a passing problem ,the Liberal media in America is very strong not to forget Supreme Court and they will put down any such bills(if passed)
 
If one doesn't want to be labelled and recognized by their religion they should make a similar effort towards other groups.
Nevertheless its a passing problem ,the Liberal media in America is very strong not to forget Supreme Court and they will put down any such bills(if passed)

what do you mean by this? can you elaborate? or are you simply repeating the mantra from your country without understanding the situation in the west?
 
what do you mean by this? can you elaborate? or are you simply repeating the mantra from your country without understanding the situation in the west?

It was w.r.t people distinguishing between baby boomers and millennials like they are democrat and republican which they are not.
 
Well if Radical terrorists are carrying attacks then they alone are responsible. We are not responsible for what other people do.

Lol. You think most Americans get this distinction? I'm sure many do. But many don't.
 
A little wisdom from one of the greatest public intellectuals of our time:

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Lol. You think most Americans get this distinction? I'm sure many do. But many don't.

Well you have to make sure they understand. You might see some Pakistanis being over apologetic and be like Oh I am so sorry. Never apologize for something you didn't do. You need to understand one thing. If some racist attacks it is the fault that racist, not some random radical Muslim. Whatever happens to you is the fault of racists.
 
Has not effected me one bit.

Still have to buy groceries, go to my job, pay rent, pay for gas, meet and socialize with people etc.

AND...

Post on PP!

Not sure about long term effects but day to day routine is the same.
 
Liberal meltdown here right now is epic. They're going through a serious depression phase. Ivy league universities are having "cry ins" and giving their students play-doh and bringing in puppies.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/1...s-play-doh-coloring-books-to-cope-with-trump/

U.S. as a developed nation has gone too far left. People here are too coddled.

This has nothing to do with this thread. UMich is no ivy league; people here maybe "too coddled" but it's a free country - people can do what they want, especially at an expensive school they paid for.
 
This has nothing to do with this thread. UMich is no ivy league; people here maybe "too coddled" but it's a free country - people can do what they want, especially at an expensive school they paid for.

These people need to spend a day in India and Pakistan. They won't last at all.
 
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[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] and everyone else who had their eyes washed by this scam artist - don't say I didn't warn you.

It was abundantly clear he was a conman and unrepetant bigot from the start for anyone who knew this man's history.

Record civilian casualties in the Middle East topping in eight months what Obama's tally was in eight years, pulling out of the Paris Agreement, botching healthcare reform, undermining the Iran deal and normalising/emboldening the far right as well as Islamophobia.

He wouldn't do anything, he would change after the campaign, he doesn't mean it, he'd listen to advice blah blah - all proven wrong.
 
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[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] and everyone else who had their eyes washed by this scam artist - don't say I didn't warn you.

It was abundantly clear he was a conman and unrepetant bigot from the start for anyone who knew this man's history.

Record civilian casualties in the Middle East topping in eight months what Obama's tally was in eight years, pulling out of the Paris Agreement, botching healthcare reform, undermining the Iran deal and normalising/emboldening the far right as well as Islamophobia.

He wouldn't do anything, he would change after the campaign, he doesn't mean it, he'd listen to advice blah blah - all proven wrong.

I was wrong as well. I thought it was a stage act for his campaign but the side effects of his presidency are not just theoretical at this point. Emboldened white supremacists marching around, David Duke being relevant again; increasingly prominent negative spotlight on Muslims; racial divide at it's peak -- and the worst part is, it's only the beginning!

The Democrats really need to get a strong candidate up; 8 years of Trump and this country will be an internally broken disaster. Shame that I didnt appreciate Obama and his subtletly when he was around; I'm much more appreciative now.
 
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