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Last week the The Times, that most respected of all newspapers, created an uproar by publishing a story of a “Christian child forced into Muslim foster care”.

The Daily Mail then entered the scene with the headline:

MPs demand inquiry over five-year-old Christian girl forced to live with Muslim foster carers 'who told her Christmas and Easter are stupid and European women are alcoholics'

* Girl was distressed after move by Tower Hamlets borough council, report claims
* White girl was encouraged to learn Arabic and was barred from eating carbonara
* Young girl was very distressed and would cry saying: 'They donÂ’t speak English'
* MPs demanded a review and said council decision raised disturbing questions


Social workers said the child sobbed and begged not to be returned to one foster mother – who wore a face veil in public – as the household spoke no English.

She also claimed her foster carer had said she should learn Arabic and had taken away her Christian cross necklace, The Times reported.

The child – who is white, was born in Britain and has a UK passport – was allegedly not allowed to eat a spaghetti carbonara prepared by her birth mother because it contained bacon.

She was said to have told her biological mother ‘European women are stupid and alcoholic and ‘Christmas and Easter are stupid’, prompting questions over cultural attitudes in her foster homes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Christian-girl-forced-Muslim-foster-care.html
Tommy Robinson, former leader of the English Defence League, tweeted links to the story to his followers. The far-right party Britain First posted a video of its leader, Paul Golding, denouncing the decision as an “absolute disgrace and an outrage” in front of a graphic of a floating union jack, holding the case up as an example of “what the future of this country is going to look like”.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...stering-row-media-times-mail-skewed-portrayal

The child’s mother told the court they were of Christian heritage. This proved to not be the case. It turned out that the child's mother came from a 'non-practicing Muslim family', that she was an alcoholic, a drug addict, and had been previously arrested for prostitution. The child's biological father was unknown.

Furthermore, when the true facts started to emerge, it transpired that :

* The child was in fact being fostered by an English-speaking family of mixed race, undermining the central issue in the initial media reports.

* The order revealed that a court-appointed guardian visited the child at the foster carers’ home and spoke to the child alone. “The guardian has no concerns as to the child’s welfare and she reports that the child is settled and well cared for by the foster carer,” the document states.

* The court papers showed that Tower Hamlets council had wanted the girl to be placed with her maternal grandmother who is a “non-practising Muslim”. Strict vetting rules meant this was not immediately possible and she had to be placed in temporary care. The grandparents underwent a full assessment and the judge was able to approve the request.


This massive uproar was due to a 'Christian child being placed with Muslim parents'. Those ranting against such instances have similar attititudes when it comes to children being placed with foster parents from a different ethnic background, including white children being placed with black foster parents.

And yet:

Dibben added that there were “far more examples” of Muslim children being placed in white British Christian families – particularly unaccompanied asylum seekers – that worked successfully.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...stering-row-media-times-mail-skewed-portrayal

It would appear that it's perfectly acceptable for non-white children to be placed with white foster parents, but not vice versa. Similarly, it's perfectly acceptable to place non-Christian children with Christian foster parents, but not vice-versa.

And last but not least, whilst some of the mainstream media, including The Times, is of the view that placing children from a white/Christian background with non-white/non-Christian foster parents is unacceptable as it's detrimental to the child, they are the first ones to demand that two gay men should be allowed to adopt a child even if the child comes from a Muslim/Christian background that regards homosexuality as a sin.

Discuss.
 
TBH it looks great in theory but it's also logical children might end up having identity crisis when they grow up when adopted by different ethnicity parents
 
I was surprised to read that story or at least the accompanying outrage that went with it because I am pretty sure I read the same newspapers arguing FOR the rights of Christians to adopt children born from another faith and that whites should be free to adopt black children. The rules which prevent this have been heavily criticised in the past so I'm not sure why it should only work one way.
 
There are some massive grey areas in this entire saga. To start with the Tower Hamlets council has been embroiled in massive corruption and the mayor(Luftur Rahman) was barred from office. The council back in power is still corrupt and resembles Bangladeshi village politics.

The journalists who did the expose is Andrew Norfolk. He is the guy who exposed the Rotherham scandal and was awarded the journalist of the year award.

The first response from the council when the news broke out was call it Islamophobia. Not conduct an investigation. And then as usual we have papers who will attack the mother for raising concerns about the safety of her child.

From reports there are 2 Muslim foster families involved. The second, questionable family was involved only when the first went out on vacation. I would recommend people to not jump the gun. Being a resident of this council I won't be surprised if something shady comes out.
 

There are very few non-white-non-Christian foster parents in the UK. a BAME foster child may not be able to be placed in a BAME foster home. Conversely, a white Christian foster kid may not be able to be placed with white Christian foster parents.

There are more foster kids than foster parents available.

A safe stable environment is what is important for the foster child - the religious / ethnic / cultural factors of the fostering household less so.

Ergo, put the foster kids in whatever loving stable foster home is available.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How the press lied about the little girl staying with Muslim foster parents. Here are the facts. <a href="https://t.co/d2FiY1jWYv">https://t.co/d2FiY1jWYv</a></p>— Hugh Grant (@HackedOffHugh) <a href="https://twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/status/903813770224467968">September 2, 2017</a></blockquote>
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There are some massive grey areas in this entire saga. To start with the Tower Hamlets council has been embroiled in massive corruption and the mayor(Luftur Rahman) was barred from office. The council back in power is still corrupt and resembles Bangladeshi village politics.

The journalists who did the expose is Andrew Norfolk. He is the guy who exposed the Rotherham scandal and was awarded the journalist of the year award.

The first response from the council when the news broke out was call it Islamophobia. Not conduct an investigation. And then as usual we have papers who will attack the mother for raising concerns about the safety of her child.

From reports there are 2 Muslim foster families involved. The second, questionable family was involved only when the first went out on vacation. I would recommend people to not jump the gun. Being a resident of this council I won't be surprised if something shady comes out.
And yet you're ignoring the general gist of the post.

It would appear that it's perfectly acceptable for non-white children to be placed with white foster parents, but not vice versa. Similarly, it's perfectly acceptable to place non-Christian children with Christian foster parents, but not vice-versa.

And last but not least, whilst some of the mainstream media, including The Times, is of the view that placing children from a white/Christian background with non-white/non-Christian foster parents is unacceptable as it's detrimental to the child, they are the first ones to demand that two gay men should be allowed to adopt a child even if the child comes from a Muslim/Christian background that regards homosexuality as a sin.
Where do you stand on this issue of children being adopted/fostered by parents of a different race/religion/ethnicity of the child?
 
TBH it looks great in theory but it's also logical children might end up having identity crisis when they grow up when adopted by different ethnicity parents
And yet, by and large, for example, black children brought up by white adopted/foster parents generally turn out to be success stories. And hardly anyone bats an eyelid when a black child is placed in a white foster home or adopted by white parents. Whereas there appears to be quite a degree of racism coming out at the suggestion of white kids being placed in non-white homes. Why is that?
 
And yet you're ignoring the general gist of the post.

Where do you stand on this issue of children being adopted/fostered by parents of a different race/religion/ethnicity of the child?

Do you agree that the council should have placed the kid with a family who don't speak her language? Who took her cross away and did not let her eat food cooked by her mother?

If you read my post, there were 2 Muslim families involved. The issue is with the 2nd one. No one batted an eyelid when the first family were made foster parents
 
Do you agree that the council should have placed the kid with a family who don't speak her language? Who took her cross away and did not let her eat food cooked by her mother?

If you read my post, there were 2 Muslim families involved. The issue is with the 2nd one. No one batted an eyelid when the first family were made foster parents

If her mother could cook food for her, why was the girl in foster care in the first place? How did the girl end up being looked after by a Muslim family? I am not that well informed about the background of this case, but you seem to be so perhaps you could provide some context.
 
If her mother could cook food for her, why was the girl in foster care in the first place? How did the girl end up being looked after by a Muslim family? I am not that well informed about the background of this case, but you seem to be so perhaps you could provide some context.
If you read all the posts in this thread, you will get the answers you are looking for. M on mobile cannot answer in detail
 
Do you agree that the council should have placed the kid with a family who don't speak her language? Who took her cross away and did not let her eat food cooked by her mother?

If you read my post, there were 2 Muslim families involved. The issue is with the 2nd one. No one batted an eyelid when the first family were made foster parents
Appears as if you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the The Times and Daily Mail's version of events. I suggest you google and read the transcript of the court case and court documents.
 
Appears as if you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the The Times and Daily Mail's version of events. I suggest you google and read the transcript of the court case and court documents.
And you have gone for the version which let's you outrage. Safety of the kid is secondary I suspect. Go on
 
And you have gone for the version which let's you outrage. Safety of the kid is secondary I suspect. Go on
Much rather believe the court case documents and court case transcripts than the Daily Mail version. But do carry on believing in everything the Daily Mail writes.
 
If you read all the posts in this thread, you will get the answers you are looking for. M on mobile cannot answer in detail

Did you get off your mobile yet? You seemed quite opinionated in post #9, that is why I wanted your version of what transpired and some answers to questions it raised. If you are going to give a strong opinion, it shouldn't be a problem to back it up with some facts.
 
Did you get off your mobile yet? You seemed quite opinionated in post #9, that is why I wanted your version of what transpired and some answers to questions it raised. If you are going to give a strong opinion, it shouldn't be a problem to back it up with some facts.

And which of my facts are not available in public space? A simple google search can help you
 
And which of my facts are not available in public space? A simple google search can help you

Then why do we need you to post at all? Your opinion is irrelevant as we can just do a google search to get our answers.
 
Well here's a surprise

Times distorted Muslim foster case, regulator finds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43887481
The family in question suffered in many different ways, received lots of negative publicity, probably lots of abuse. The council's reputation (and the integrity of the council officers involved in the case) also took a hit. Similar for the wider Muslim community.

The Times reporter, along with the editor/sub-editor involved should also be made to face some penalty instead of just a slap on the wrist. At the very least, the reporter should have been fired.
 
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