Gary Kirsten the coach with the best foresight?

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The smart bloke went to India when every one was performing near their peaks, then he left India on a high and at the right time... India took so long to rebuild after his departure.

Began to coach SA while Steyn, Kallis etc were still at the top of their games in tests....
Gave the responsibilities of the one day side to Russell domingo cos he could see that their ODI side pretty much sucks.

Then he left while they were still winning most tests.... and look at the SA side now... especially with the retirement of Kallis...

IMO Kirsten is one damn smart guy :)
 
He is one heck of an opportunist.

We will be eyeing the Australian job now but unfortunately, Lehmann looks to be in for the long haul.
 
He is one heck of an opportunist.

We will be eyeing the Australian job now but unfortunately, Lehmann looks to be in for the long haul.


Why unfortunate Lehmann has done a great job so far he's got that Aussie Confidence and arrogance back into this team they looked so insipid in the CT I couldn't believe this was an Aussie team
 
Why unfortunate Lehmann has done a great job so far he's got that Aussie Confidence and arrogance back into this team they looked so insipid in the CT I couldn't believe this was an Aussie team

Unfortunately for Kirsten.
 
He is one heck of an opportunist.

We will be eyeing the Australian job now but unfortunately, Lehmann looks to be in for the long haul.

Doubt it. He was asked about the England job but says he wants to spend time with his family.
 
He is a good man manager.

He along with Tom Moody , Stephen Fleming , Peter Moores are the top coaches.
 
The smart bloke went to India when every one was performing near their peaks, then he left India on a high and at the right time... India took so long to rebuild after his departure.

Began to coach SA while Steyn, Kallis etc were still at the top of their games in tests....
Gave the responsibilities of the one day side to Russell domingo cos he could see that their ODI side pretty much sucks.

Then he left while they were still winning most tests.... and look at the SA side now... especially with the retirement of Kallis...

IMO Kirsten is one damn smart guy :)

Smart does not equate into being a good-coach.I would rate Wright and Chappel to be better as they took the time to view and nurture domestic players within the Indian Domestic Circuit and U-19 even though it was not part of their job-description.Greg Chappel would do very well with the current Indian-Team instead of Fletcher...
 
Every manager would love to go out on top. Rarely happens - but has happened multiple times for Kirsten - hmm ;)
 
Doubt it. He was asked about the England job but says he wants to spend time with his family.

He gave same reason for leaving India job after the World Cup next you know he was coaching South Africa. Increase the pay package and he will accept it.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...ng-England-coaching-job-Chris-Silverwood.html

The man who could now have been coaching England against South Africa ponders the suggestion his interview for one of the top jobs in world cricket went badly.

'I was approached by England before the World Cup last summer and I'd always expressed an interest in the job,' said the vastly experienced Gary Kirsten, who was pipped to the post by Chris Silverwood. 'It would have been a big move and it would have been difficult for my family, but we had got our heads around that.

'So I was invited over for an interview with Ashley Giles that I thought went well. It went really well, actually.

'OK, it's difficult to present a vision for cricket in England when you don't understand cricket in England. You can only talk about what you're seeing from the outside. Until you're in the system you don't know what's going on.

'Chris Silverwood had been in the system for years and knew exactly what had been happening. So if the interview was the same for him as it was with me, perhaps that wasn't fair. Someone who's been there for their entire coaching career can talk with more authority about it. I thought the interview went well anyway, whatever anyone says.'

He does not seem particularly put out, either, by the suggestion that he did not get his message across to Giles when Trevor Bayliss left last summer, nor by being beaten by an international coaching novice in Silverwood.

Kirsten, 52, has seen it all as one of South Africa's most decorated players and a coach who was carried around the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai by his players after he guided India to the 2011 World Cup. He coached his native South Africa to the top of the Test world rankings by beating England amid the Kevin Pietersen text-gate affair in 2012.

'I'm a pragmatist and I get on with life,' Kirsten tells Sportsmail at his home in Cape Town. 'It would have been a nice opportunity to coach England with a lot of potential because it's one of the biggest jobs in world cricket.'

It was not the first time one of the most highly regarded figures in coaching had been sounded out by England. 'When I first spoke to Andrew Strauss before Trevor Bayliss took over, I said I thought coaching one format would be a better way of doing it,' said Kirsten. 'And I suggested that to Giles as well.

'But then Ashley came up with the idea of what they're doing in Australia now, where the head coach is in charge of all formats but he takes the odd tour off. And under those conditions I expressed an interest again with England.

'I was keen on white-ball only when I first spoke to Andrew Strauss in 2015. I'm keener to coach that, but if I'd been given the opportunity to coach the England Test team, I would have loved it. Test cricket is such a different coaching journey.

'England have a young team with new players coming through and I would love to have worked with them. It would have been exciting but they have good people around them. Graham Thorpe, for one, is a seasoned international cricketer.'

How about the man who pipped him? 'I don't really know Chris Silverwood but I do know he got me out in Cape Town once,' smiled the man who 20 years ago batted for a monumental 14-and-a-half hours against Nasser Hussain's England to draw a Test.

He is reluctant to say too much about the new England coach, but Kirsten gives a clue as to the type of coaching and management set-up he believes in when asked what the arrival of Graeme Smith, Mark Boucher and Jacques Kallis has done for South Africa.

'The important thing is to have people around the team who have played at the highest level against the best opposition for many years,' said Kirsten, possibly still with England in mind. 'To have those guys in the changing room is vital for the young players.

'Any team representing South Africa need to understand what it takes to succeed. Graeme, Mark and Jacques know it. They know what it's like and you don't want to run the risk of putting people in those positions who don't have that understanding. International teams will eat you alive. You have to match excellence with excellence and that's what South Africa have done.'

There is no questioning Kirsten's excellence. As an opening batsman he became the first South African to play 100 Tests and after coaching India and South Africa with distinction he has prospered at the Indian Premier League and around the world.

Now the surprising reluctance of England to snap him up will allow Kirsten to fulfil his role as one of the pioneers in cricket's controversial new format and allow him to fulfil a lifetime ambition to be involved in the British game.

Kirsten is heading to Cardiff this summer to be head coach of the Welsh Fire in the ECB's Hundred competition.

'It's something different,' he said. 'It will take off, no doubt, because they've done it really well. The way the ECB launched it was really good.

'It's city-based and it might bring a new audience to the game. The countdown from 100 balls will be fun and strategically it will grow when people work out how to play the game. I'm looking forward to it. It will unfold as we go along because there's been very little trial and error so far.

'I remember when Twenty20 started and people were sceptical about it. I'd just been appointed India coach when the IPL started and there was a lot of apprehension. But then there were 70,000 people at the final. It was a success from day one and the only challenge this tournament has is how you link it up to T20.'

The Welsh team, perhaps, have the biggest challenge in engaging a local audience with the Hundred because Cardiff has not exactly attracted huge crowds.

'I've got a good relationship with Hugh Morris at Glamorgan and I'm really looking forward to it,' insisted Kirsten.

'Steve Smith will probably be our captain, so there will be interest in him. And Mitchell Starc. Jonny Bairstow's not playing Test cricket at the moment, so we might have him more than we expected. Tom Banton is a great prospect and I'm excited to work with him. I have always wanted to be involved in English cricket because it's one of the best systems in the world.

'I was around quite a bit last year and I'm looking forward to being involved in the game over there. The family will come over and it will be really nice.'

But international cricket has not seen the last of Gary Kirsten. 'International coaching is a great place to be,' he said.

'Nine months of the year with the team means you can really work with players and help them grow as players and people. That's always a big attraction. But, you know, as things stand now, I can spend more time at home with my family, which is probably what I need to do at this moment.'

Maybe next time the England job comes around things might be different.

'I'm 52 now and I've got a 16-year-old, a 13-year-old and an eight-year-old, so three or four years further on, one kid is out of school and one's nearly finishing,' he added.

'So that makes travelling easier. We were ready as a family to make it work with England now, but in hindsight maybe the time wasn't right. Next time? Well, I'll never say never…'
 
The smart bloke went to India when every one was performing near their peaks, then he left India on a high and at the right time... India took so long to rebuild after his departure.

Began to coach SA while Steyn, Kallis etc were still at the top of their games in tests....
Gave the responsibilities of the one day side to Russell domingo cos he could see that their ODI side pretty much sucks.

Then he left while they were still winning most tests.... and look at the SA side now... especially with the retirement of Kallis...

IMO Kirsten is one damn smart guy ...
 
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The smart bloke went to India when every one was performing near their peaks, then he left India on a high and at the right time...
To be fair, India had a first-round exit in the 2007 World Cup. Though they did win the World T20 later that same year. But it's not like everyone was already performing at their peak when he got there.
 
To be fair, India had a first-round exit in the 2007 World Cup. Though they did win the World T20 later that same year. But it's not like everyone was already performing at their peak when he got there.

He’s a good man manager and can make quality individuals develop as a team.

Def can not manage transitions and bring in youngsters.

Went to India when the greats were in their peaks. But it was clear that the cliff was near and he should have planned for when they went downhill. But he didn’t and India lost like 8 Tesr matches on the trot in 2011 and also
Home to England which was embarassing. Kirsten deserves lot of blame for that.

Similarly in SA he didn’t develop or blood in youngsters in his tkme there
 
He’s a good man manager and can make quality individuals develop as a team.

Def can not manage transitions and bring in youngsters.

Went to India when the greats were in their peaks. But it was clear that the cliff was near and he should have planned for when they went downhill. But he didn’t and India lost like 8 Tesr matches on the trot in 2011 and also
Home to England which was embarassing. Kirsten deserves lot of blame for that.

Similarly in SA he didn’t develop or blood in youngsters in his tkme there
problem was they focused too much on odi cricket. they won the world cup and champions trophy back to back.

Should have had backup players for test cricket.
 
problem was they focused too much on odi cricket. they won the world cup and champions trophy back to back.

Should have had backup players for test cricket.

No the problem was that all the main players were on wrong side of 30s and no youngsters were knocking on door
 
No the problem was that all the main players were on wrong side of 30s and no youngsters were knocking on door

That's why I rate Greg Chappell as a great coach because he always gave chances to youngsters.
 
Here we go! Gary surely will have some sort of input whether Azam should be in playing XI with a bear physique let's how long till he runs out of patience
 
Kirsten was the only one who seemed a bit concerned with the performance of the Pakistan team in the last match... otherwise our players has already turned cricket into a comedy circus.
 
I am guessing this is the first time an obese player has taken the field under his reign? :ROFLMAO: I think he must be regretting his decision.
Probably enjoying a fat paycheck before moving elsewhere in the aftermath of a disastrous T20 WC campaign unless a miracle happens.
 
The problem with Gary is he can't give chance to the youngsters because they are even worse than the ones which are playing, Haris , Irfan are far worse than Azam and Chacha.
 
Difficult job on Gary bhai's hands as the abysmal squad has been selected without his knowledge.

But I trust him.
 
Difficult job on Gary bhai's hands as the abysmal squad has been selected without his knowledge.

But I trust him.
What squad would he pick if he had knowledge?

He had knowledge of the squad he picked for GT this year didn’t he?
 
Gary Kirsten is not a great cricketing strategist. Neither will he change someone’s batting/bowling technique. His strength is great man-management and motivation. He might guide someone with a physical or mental issue in the right direction and encourage a positive dressing room. In Pakistan the last part is going to be the biggest challenge. How he navigates around the politics in Pak cricket will be his biggest challenge. I don’t think he will care who is in the team and who is dropped. He will go about his job.

For the record the 2011 Indian World Cup winning team had mostly senior players : the only 2 rookies in the side were Ashwin and Kohli and their induction in the side had nothing to do with Kirsten.

I feel most Pakistani players come from village type backgrounds and don’t have much education so they will be fine with a mentor-father figure type coach like Kirsten who is known to be very understanding and compassionate. He is a good fit in the Pakistan environment as he won’t get involved in politics.
 
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