Gaza ceasefire [January 2025]: Will it hold, and what does it mean for the people of Palestine?

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After 15 months of relentless conflict, a ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas has been reached, promising to halt the devastating war in Gaza. This landmark deal, facilitated by international mediators, includes the release of hostages and Palestinian prisoners, as well as a surge in humanitarian aid.

But the question remains: Will this ceasefire hold, and what does it mean for the people of Palestine?

As the world watches closely, Palestinians cautiously celebrate the hope for peace, while grappling with the immense challenges of rebuilding their shattered lives. The coming weeks will be crucial in determining whether this ceasefire can pave the way for lasting peace and stability in the region.

What are your thoughts on this development?
 
Dozens killed as Israeli strikes continue ahead of Gaza ceasefire

Israeli air strikes are continuing in Gaza ahead of the ceasefire agreement and hostage deal with Hamas, which comes into effect on Sunday, subject to the Israeli cabinet's approval.

The strikes killed 62 people overnight, following the announcement of the deal, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza reported.

Gaza's civil defence agency put the number higher, saying at least 73 people were killed and hundreds wounded.

Victims include 12 people who were living in a residential block in the Sheikh Radwan neighbourhood of Gaza City, the health ministry said.

The Israeli Defence Forces initially said "a fallen projectile" had been identified in southern Israel on Thursday, but later said it had been wrongly identified.

Israel has previously launched air strikes in the run-up to ceasefire arrangements taking effect, most recently in Lebanon, where heavy bombing hit the capital, Beirut, just hours before the ceasefire there in November.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was expected to ratify the Gaza ceasefire agreement in parliament on Thursday, but his office alleges Hamas has "reneged" on parts of the agreement, prompting a "last-minute crisis".

It adds the cabinet will not convene until Hamas has accepted "all elements of the agreement".

A senior Hamas official told the BBC that his movement was committed to the agreement announced by the mediators and that the head of its delegation, Khalil al-Hayya, had officially informed Qatar and Egypt of its approval of all the terms of the agreement.

Two hardline right-wing ministers, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, have long threatened to quit the government coalition if the ceasefire goes ahead.

That could prompt fresh elections in Israel, but their resignations will not block the deal if Netanyahu wants it to happen, observers say.

The prime minister of Qatar - which mediated negotiations - has called for "calm" on both sides before the start of the first six-week phase of the ceasefire deal.

This will see 33 hostages - including women, children and elderly people - exchanged for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

Israeli forces will also withdraw to the east, away from densely populated areas of Gaza.

Displaced Palestinians will be allowed to begin returning to their homes and hundreds of aid lorries will finally be allowed into the territory each day.

Negotiations for the second phase - which should see the remaining hostages released, a full Israeli troop withdrawal and a return to "sustainable calm" - will start on the 16th day.

The third and final stage will involve the return of any remaining hostages' bodies and the reconstruction of Gaza - something which could take years.

Achim Steiner from the United Nations Development Programme told the BBC's Newsday programme that the reconstruction of Gaza would be a huge challenge, given the massive destruction inflicted by the war.

He said 40 million tons of "toxic" rubble needed to be removed before Gazans could return to where their houses used to be.

"This is a very complex undertaking that we are now confronted with," he said.

Israel launched a campaign to destroy Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and others - in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

More than 46,700 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of the 2.3 million population has also been displaced, there is widespread destruction and there are severe shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter, while aid agencies struggle to get help to those in need.

Israel says 94 of the hostages are still being held by Hamas, 34 of whom are presumed dead. In addition, there are four Israelis who were abducted before the war, two of whom are dead.

BBC
 
Not sure how long the ceasefire will hold, but israel's ability to cause mayhem across the region will depend on how serious the US is about witholding support.

Trump has already shown that he can bring israel to heel once unlimited support is cut off. From that point it is up to the Zios and Palestinians to fight or settle among themselves.
 
These ceasefires usually allow Hamas to regroup. 2 years later, the same chain will begin again.
 
Hamas denies Israel claim it’s backtracking on ceasefire deal

Two senior Hamas leaders have rejected Israeli allegations the Palestinian group is reneging on elements of the Gaza ceasefire and captive release deal.

“There is no basis to Netanyahu’s claims about the movement backtracking from terms in the ceasefire agreement,” Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri said.

Earlier, Hamas political bureau member Izzat al-Risheq said in a statement: “Hamas is committed to the ceasefire agreement, which was announced by the mediators.”

Al Jazeera
 
These ceasefires usually allow Hamas to regroup. 2 years later, the same chain will begin again.

Correct and groups like Hamas will have no issues recruiting relatives of those that were ruthlessly killed, and those of innocent kids and mothers that remain in Israeli prisons...

The vicious cycle will continue until permanent solution is found
 
It wont be a lasting deal, we all know the israelis want the land for their Greater Israeli project.

But if a deal goes through, this is a defeat for the Polish Jewish PM of Israel, who vowed to eliminate Hamas but has only murdered thousands of children, women and men, including his own hostages.

Israel is economically broken, thousands have left their homes, their pathetic camp soldiers have shown how cowardly they are, their society has proven how sick they are when they demanded it to be ok for their troops to rape prisoners and most of all , proven they are nothing without the backing of the west.
 
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What changed PM Netanyahu’s stance over truce with Hamas?

Analysts say Netanyahu could now seek a way to use the Gaza ceasefire to his advantage, potentially by pivoting away from the far-right coalition partners he has relied on since 2022.

The deal could even pave the way for a long-sought normalisation deal with Saudi Arabia, backed by incoming US President-elect Donald Trump.

“The key is not the situation but how you play the game, and the bottom line is that [Netanyahu] is the best player of the game there is,” said Jonathan Rynhold, head of the political studies department at Bar-Ilan University in Tel Aviv.

Anshel Pfeffer, a journalist and author of a 2018 biography of Netanyahu, questioned what the incoming US president offered the Israeli prime minister to secure a truce.

“The question is what is Netanyahu getting out of the deal beyond the hostage release and the ceasefire, and that is where we get into the Saudi question,” Pfeffer said.

It’s possible the ceasefire “could be part of something much bigger. … Trump wants a deal” between Saudi Arabia and Israel, he said.

While Netanyahu’s far-right partners have promised to oppose the ceasefire, Pfeffer said it’s unlikely any disagreements in the ruling coalition would bring him down. Still, the ceasefire will be “a moment of truth” for Netanyahu when he might try to “pivot away from the far right in the coalition to some sort of legacy-defining deal with the Saudis”.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
Hamas: Israel has targeted location where female hostage is being held

Since agreeing to a ceasefire last night, Israel has targeted a location in Gaza where a female hostage is being held, a spokesman for the armed wing of Hamas has said.

"After announcing the agreement, the enemy army targeted a place where one of the female prisoners of the first stage of the expected deal was located," Abu Obeida of al Qassam Brigades said in a statement.

It appeared to suggest Israel used an airstrike, rather than a targeted raid.

"Any aggression and shelling at this stage by the enemy could turn the freedom of a prisoner into a tragedy," he added.

Israel is yet to comment on the Hamas claims.

Sky News
 

Netanyahu delays cabinet vote on Israel-Gaza ceasefire deal and hostage release​

An Israeli cabinet meeting to approve a ceasefire and hostage deal with Hamas was delayed Thursday morning after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the militant group of “reneging” on parts of the agreement.

Netanyahu’s office said the cabinet would not convene until Hamas accepted all elements of the deal. A Hamas official said on social media that the group is committed to the agreement announced Wednesday. Neither provided any further details.

An official briefed on the talks, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive negotiations, said teams from both sides are continuing to meet to discuss how hostages and prisoners will be released, and to finalize details around the implementation and monitoring of the deal.

Ongoing negotiations in Doha mirrored intense talks in Jerusalem. The deal requires approval from Israel’s cabinet and its coalition government — but Netanyahu faces opposition from his far-right coalition partners, who reject the idea of a truce with Hamas and have threatened to topple his government. On Thursday, Netanyahu’s far-right national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir warned that if the deal were approved, he and his faction would withdraw from Netanyahu’s government. Still, that move alone would not bring down Netanyahu’s ruling coalition.

Source: The Washington Post
 
It wont be a lasting deal, we all know the israelis want the land for their Greater Israeli project.

But if a deal goes through, this is a defeat for the Polish Jewish PM of Israel, who vowed to eliminate Hamas but has only murdered thousands of children, women and men, including his own hostages.

Israel is economically broken, thousands have left their homes, their pathetic camp soldiers have shown how cowardly they are, their society has proven how sick they are when they demanded it to be ok for their troops to rape prisoners and most of all , proven they are nothing without the backing of the west.

This is a defeat for Israel definitely. Here are the reasons:

1) Israel failed to reach their war objective which was to completely eliminate Hamas. Even after 15 months and after Billions of Dollars of aid, they just couldn't reach their objective.

2) Israel became internationally isolated. Apart from a handful of countries, no country truly supports them. It is evident from all the UN votes.

3) Hundreds of Israeli soldiers got killed and thousands got injured. One soldier committed suicide due to PTSD.

4) Israeli economy took a big hit. Many Israeli businesses went bankrupt --> https://www.timesofisrael.com/up-to...y-close-in-2024-as-war-takes-toll-on-economy/

So, yeah. I say Israel lost this war.
 
Netanyahu's office says hostage deal now agreed

The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says a "deal to release the hostages" has been agreed.

Netanyahu had delayed a cabinet vote to approve the Gaza ceasefire deal, due on Thursday, accusing Hamas of seeking last-minute changes to the agreement.

On Friday morning his office said Netanyahu had been informed by the negotiating team that agreements on the deal had been reached.

He has ordered the political-security cabinet to convene later on Friday and the government "will then convene to approve the deal", Netanyahu's office said. Families of the hostages have been informed, it added.

Representatives of Israel, Hamas, the United States, and Qatar have officially signed the deal in Doha, Israeli media reports.

The ceasefire deal was first announced on Wednesday by mediators the US and Qatar.

Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdul Rahman Al Thani said the agreement would come into effect on Sunday, pending Israeli cabinet approval.

At the time, Netanyahu said the deal's final details were still being worked on, but he thanked Biden for "promoting" it.

Netanyahu then delayed a cabinet vote to approve the deal on Thursday, accusing Hamas of trying to "extort last minute concessions".

Hamas said it was committed to the deal, but the BBC understands it was trying to add some of its members to the list of Palestinian prisoners that would be released under the deal.

Although Israeli negotiators have agreed to the deal, which follows months of talks, it cannot be implemented until it is approved by the security cabinet and government.

The country's security cabinet and then the government will now need to meet to ratify the agreement.

Two hardline right-wing ministers, Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich, who both oppose the deal, have said they will resign in protest.

But they've signalled they will not join the opposition - to bring the government down - yet, so long as the war resumes in six weeks time, when phase one of the ceasefire and hostage release deal ends.

US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken has said he expects the ceasefire to start on Sunday as planned with the release of the first three Israeli hostages.

Many Palestinians and Israeli hostages' families celebrated news of the ceasefire after it was first announced.

But there was no let up in the war on the ground in Gaza, with Israeli strikes killing more than 80 people since the deal was announced, the Hamas-run health ministry said.

Strikes were carried out on 50 targets in Gaza since the deal's announcement, the Israel Defense Forces and the Israeli Security Agency said on Thursday.

The first six-week phase of the deal would see 33 hostages - including women, children and elderly people - exchanged for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

Israeli troops would also withdraw to the east, away from densely populated areas of Gaza.

Displaced Palestinians would be able to start returning to their homes and hundreds of aid lorries would be allowed entry to the territory each day.

Negotiations for the second phase - which should see the remaining hostages released, a full Israeli troop withdrawal and a return to "sustainable calm" - would start on the 16th day.

The third and final stage would involve the return of any remaining hostages' bodies and the reconstruction of Gaza - something which could take years.

Israel launched a campaign to destroy Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and others - in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

More than 46,788 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of Gaza's 2.3 million population has also been displaced, there is widespread destruction and there are severe shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter, while aid agencies struggle to get help to those in need.

Israel says 94 of the hostages are still being held by Hamas, 34 of whom are presumed dead. There are four Israelis who were abducted before the war, two of whom are dead.

BBC
 
Israel lost the war? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

What's next? Even India lost the 1971 war since Bangladesh didn't become a part of India?
 
This is a defeat for Israel definitely. Here are the reasons:

So, yeah. I say Israel lost this war

Whilst living in judeo-christian societies, you take comfort in deaths of tens of thousands. As long as it's not you. Or your family.

"That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity" - Quran 5:32
 
At least 113 killed in Gaza since ceasefire announced - civil defence agency

The Hamas-run civil defence agency in Gaza says 113 people, including 28 children and 31 women, have now been killed in the Strip since the ceasefire was announced on Wednesday night.

Spokesman Mahmoud Basal said the number was correct as of midday on Friday (10:00 GMT) - and marks a rise of 13 deaths since the last update three hours earlier.

At least 264 people have been injured in the same timeframe, he adds.

Among the recent deaths that Basal mentions is two people killed in a strike in Jabalia in northern Gaza, and three killed in bombing behind Al-Zafer Tower in Gaza City.

BBC
 
Israeli security cabinet recommends approving ceasefire deal

The Israeli security cabinet has recommended approving the Gaza ceasefire deal.

A statement from the office of Benjamin Netanyahu said that the approval comes "after examining all political, security and humanitarian aspects" and with the understanding that the agreement "supports the achievement of the war's goals".

It adds that a full government meeting will be convened later today.

Sky News
 
Israeli president expecting cabinet to approve ceasefire deal

Israel's president says he welcomes the decision of the security cabinet to approve the ceasefire deal, and said he expected the full cabinet to follow suit.

Posting on X, Isaac Herzog said: "This is a vital step toward fulfilling the highest covenant between the state and its citizens."

He said the deal will bring with it "great challenges and painful, agonising moments" that Israel must overcome and "face together".

"We must bring everyone back," he added. "Everyone! We will not rest or relent until this happens."

Sky News
 
Well, Hamas will regroup now and will start their attacks all over again.

There should have never been a ceasefire until Hamas completely surrenders and all of them are eliminated and a new government that actually works with Israel is put in place.
 

Israel security cabinet approves Gaza ceasefire agreement​


Israel's security cabinet has ratified a ceasefire deal to exchange dozens of hostages held by Hamas for Palestinians in Israeli jails and pause the 15-month war in Gaza for an initial six weeks.

The approval came after an unexpected delay that sparked fears that last-minute disagreements between Israel and Hamas might scuttle the agreement. Far-right members of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government also threatened to derail months of work to end the conflict.

The deal will now go to the full cabinet for the final signoff so that the agreement can be implemented on Sunday with the release of the first hostages and prisoners.

Israel’s president, Isaac Herzog, welcomed the decision of the security cabinet to approve the deal and said he expected “the government to do so as well soon”.

“This is a vital step on the path to upholding the basic commitment a nation has to its citizens,” he added.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Netanyahu’s hardline national security minister, who on Thursday announced that he would quit the government if it ratified the ceasefire deal, issued a last-minute plea for other members of the government to vote against the agreement.

“Everyone knows that these terrorists will try to harm again, try to kill again,” he said in a video statement.

Source: The Guardian
 
Israeli government approves Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal, paving way for Sunday implementation


Israel’s government has approved a ceasefire and hostage deal, paving the way for the agreement to come into effect on Sunday, according to a statement from the prime minister’s office.

The Government has approved the framework for the return of the hostages. The framework for the hostages’ release will come into effect on Sunday, January 19, 2025. Shabbat Shalom.

Statement from the Israeli Prime Minister's Office.

The 33-member group of ministers approved the agreement following a recommendation earlier Friday by the smaller security cabinet. Deliberations stretched over seven hours, late into the night on Friday into early Saturday morning local time.

Though Israel’s Supreme Court will still hear appeals by any Israelis opposing freedom for any Palestinian prisoners slated for release, that process is not expected to stand in the way of the ceasefire coming into force on Sunday.

Three hostages held in Gaza are expected to be released on the first day. It will represent the first respite from war for Palestinians in Gaza in more than a year and allow for the entry of humanitarian aid to the enclave.


CNN
 
How historic ceasefire deal was sealed with 10 minutes to spare

The Israeli and Hamas negotiators never came face to face - but by the end, just one floor separated them.

Ceasefire talks via middlemen from Qatar, Egypt and the US had been dragging on for several months, at times without hope. Now the key players were all inside one building in Doha and the pace was frantic.

A deal was close but things had gone wrong before: one source described a last-minute push to stop the agreement breaking down while a podium was being set up so the Qatari prime minister could announce it.

"Literally, negotiations were up until 10 minutes before the press conference. So that's how things were stitched up at the last minute," the source familiar with the talks said.

The BBC has spoken to a number of officials on all sides of the negotiations to piece together how the final fraught days of the secretive process unfolded.

Shifting ground

The deal did not come out of the blue.

The overall framework of the agreement reached on 15 January was broadly the same as the proposal set out by President Joe Biden during a White House address last May. It uses the same three-phase approach and will see a ceasefire, Israeli hostages released in return for Palestinian prisoners, and the Israeli military's gradual withdrawal from Gaza.

But sources familiar with the discussions agreed the dynamics of the talks shifted decisively in mid-December and the pace changed.

Hamas, already reeling from Israel's killing of its leader Yahya Sinwar in Gaza two months earlier, had become increasingly isolated. Its Lebanon-based ally Hezbollah had been decimated and had agreed to a truce with Israel. Bashar al-Assad's Iran-backed government in Syria had also been swept away.

The view in Washington is that Hamas was forced to abandon the idea that "the cavalry was coming to save it", as one US official put it.

"It is hard to overstate how fundamentally the equation changed and what that [did] for Hamas's calculus," says a senior Biden administration official familiar with the talks.

On top of that, the official said, there was "momentum created by both US administrations" - the Biden White House and the incoming Trump team.

"We could not achieve a deal like this until conditions had changed," the official added.

On 12 December, Biden's negotiating team visited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan, Middle East envoy Brett McGurk and CIA director Bill Burns were all in attendance.

A US official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the meeting lasted "multiple hours" and focused on the "new regional equation" and "how we catapult from the Lebanon ceasefire into another round of intensive discussions" on Gaza.

There was also another piece on the chessboard by this stage: Donald Trump.

On 16 December, weeks after Trump's victory, the BBC spoke to a Hamas official who was unusually optimistic about the ceasefire efforts, suggesting they seemed to be more serious.

The official - who had taken part in every set of talks since November 2023 - appeared reassured by the fact that an adviser to the incoming US president had sent a message to mediators indicating Trump wanted an agreement before his inauguration.

Trump had also warned of "all hell to pay" if Hamas did not agree to release the hostages - but the Palestinian official was bullish.

"This time, the pressure will not be limited to Hamas, as was customary under the Biden administration," the official said. "There will also be pressure on Netanyahu. He is the one obstructing the deal, and Trump seems to understand that very well."

False dawns

However, that same official's prediction that a deal could be done by Christmas proved to be optimistic.

During December, the process remained beset by problems. Israel publicly ruled out releasing certain high-profile prisoners, while the White House accused Hamas of throwing up roadblocks over the hostage releases.

A Biden administration official said: "Hamas [was] refusing to agree - and this was a breakdown at that point - to the list of hostages that would be released in phase one of the deal.

"That's just so fundamental. This is a hostage release deal. Unless you agree to the list of hostages who will come out, there's not going to be a deal."

The same official said Hamas made "completely untrue" claims about not knowing the location of the hostages, and added: "We held the line and basically left the table until Hamas agreed to the hostage list."

For its part, Hamas claimed Israel unexpectedly added 11 names to the list of hostages it wanted to be released in the first phase. Hamas considered them reserve soldiers, and therefore not eligible to be released alongside the women, injured and elderly hostages due to be released in phase one.

The door was left open to Qatari and Egyptian mediators to continue their efforts and on 3 January, there was an apparent breakthrough when Hamas proposed the release of 110 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences in return.

There were by now well-established terms of reference for such trades. For each hostage Hamas was to release, Israel would have to provide what had become known in the nomenclature of the draft deal as a "key" - meaning an agreed number or even specific identities of Palestinian prisoners.

A US official said: "There's an equation for how many Palestinian prisoners come out. So for female soldiers, for example, there's a key. And for elderly males, there's a key. And for women civilians, there's a key. And this has all been worked out and the prisoners have been named, hundreds and hundreds of prisoners on the list."

The exchange file in the negotiations - Palestinian prisoners for hostages held by Hamas - became known as "the keys".

During this phase of the talks, Hamas also relented on two long-standing demands: the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza in the first phase and a formal Israeli commitment to a total ceasefire.

Sensing a breakthrough, the Egyptian mediator urgently dispatched Major General Ahmed Abdel Khaleq - who oversees the Palestinian portfolio in Egyptian intelligence - to Doha. After meeting with Hamas representatives, he secured confirmation the group would make what a senior Hamas official described as "painful concessions."

But on 6 January, according to a Palestinian official, Israel rejected the offer put forward by Hamas on the 11 hostages. Hamas responded by sending the BBC and other media outlets a list featuring the names and ages of 34 Israeli hostages. Two days later, the body of one of those on that list - Yosef AlZayadni - was found inside Gaza.

The list included reserve soldiers, which indicated Hamas was willing to release them in the first phase.

This appeared to be an attempt to embarrass Netanyahu and rally hostage families in Israel and around the world to pressure him into accepting the deal.

It was also an indication Hamas had not walked away.

Metres apart

Meetings stretching into the small hours of Doha's hot evenings became common during the final stretch of the negotiations.

In the last month, they had developed into so-called "proximity talks", with both sides in the same two-storey building, according to multiple accounts from officials familiar with the details.

A senior US official said Hamas's delegation was on the first floor and Israel's on the floor above. Mediators ran pieces of paper between them. Maps of Israeli troop withdrawal proposals and details about hostages or prisoners drafted for release were shuttled back and forth.

"That takes an enormous amount of work and, I have to say, all of that was not fully nailed down, really, until just the [final] hours," said the official.

Inside the building, the delegations met separately with senior figures from Qatar and Egypt. Among those closely involved in the details was Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani.

Two crucial areas were worked on in the final phases of the talks: the lists for release of hostages held by Hamas and Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, and the positions for Israeli troop withdrawals from populated areas in Gaza during phase one.

By 9 January, the pressure had escalated. Trump's envoy, Biden's envoy, and the Egyptian intelligence chief convened in Doha for a serious eight-hour negotiation session.

A senior Egyptian official told the BBC: "We are at the closest point to reaching an agreement."

Agreement had been reached on 90% of the outstanding issues, but further talks were required.

Steve Witkoff, Trump's recently appointed Middle East envoy, was dispatched to Tel Aviv to meet Netanyahu. Though not yet officially in post, the New York property tycoon had become more and more involved in the talks, which Trump was taking a keen interest in.

He was about to be sent on an assignment that proved to be pivotal.

End game

When Trump's man in the Middle East arrived in Israel on 11 January, it was the sabbath.

Witkoff was asked to wait until the sabbath had ended before he met Netanyahu but, in a breach of custom, the envoy refused and demanded to meet the prime minister immediately.

Netanyahu appears to have come under serious strong-arming during the meeting and the intervention from the Trump camp to get the Israeli government to set aside its final reservations seems to have been critical.

The meeting was reportedly fractious and the message to Netanyahu from the incoming president was clear: Trump wants a deal - now get it done.

Commenting on those talks, an Israeli official who asked to remain anonymous said it was a "very important meeting".

When Witkoff returned to Doha, he remained in the room with the talks, spending time with Biden's envoy Mr McGurk, in what two US officials called a "near unprecedented" transition effort in American diplomacy.

This week, Hamas official Bassem Naim told Al Arabiya he "couldn't imagine that [the deal] could be possible without the pressure of the incoming administration led by President Trump" - and specifically cited Witkoff's presence at the talks.

By now, the fact a deal could be imminent was out in the open and public expectation was building - not least among the families of those being held hostage and Palestinians displaced inside Gaza.

The final 72 hours of talks involved a constant back and forth over the finer points of how the deal would be implemented, according to one account.

One source close to the negotiations described the hammering out of "arrangements and logistics" for how the hostages would be released in Gaza and for the withdrawal movements of Israeli troops.

On 12 January, a senior Palestinian official familiar with the negotiations said "all the officials are here in the same building", adding: "Tonight is decisive. We are only a few steps away from an agreement."

That meeting lasted six hours - but, like so many times before, an impasse was reached.

This time the disagreement that arose was over the mechanism for the return of displaced individuals from southern Gaza to the north.

Israel wanted to search returnees and their vehicles to ensure no militants or military equipment were being transported - which Hamas refused to accept.

Mediators proposed that Qatari and Egyptian technical teams conduct the searches instead. Both sides agreed and one of the final remaining stalemates was resolved.

On 15 January shortly after 18:00, a Hamas negotiator wrote in a message to the BBC: "Everything is finished."

The podium was being readied.

A deal which once looked impossible had taken shape.

BBC
 
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A passer-by shot the alleged attacker, who is in a critical condition, according to Israel's emergency rescue services Magen David Adom.

Officers have not identified the suspect, but believe the stabbing was a terrorist act.

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Gaza ceasefire to begin Sunday morning as Israel continues strikes​

A ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war is set to begin Sunday at 8:30 a.m., mediator Qatar said Saturday after Israel’s Cabinet voted to approve the truce and hostage release agreement.

Following a meeting that lasted more than six hours into the early morning on Saturday, the Israeli government ratified the agreement, which could lead to a permanent end to the 15-month war with Hamas in the besieged Gaza Strip enclave.

“The government has approved the framework for the return of the hostages. The framework for the hostages’ release will come into effect on Sunday,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said in a statement.

Netanyahu’s office said the deal “supports achieving the objectives of the war.”

But in a statement Saturday, Hamas — designated as a terror group by the United States, Britain and other Western countries — contended that Israel had “failed to achieve its aggressive goals” and “only succeeded in committing war crimes that disgrace the dignity of humanity.”

The war in Gaza began when Hamas launched a terror attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killing about 1,200 people and abducting about 250 hostages. Just under 100 hostages are thought to remain in Hamas custody, but about one-third of those are believed to be dead.

Gaza authorities say nearly 47,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children, have been killed in subsequent Israeli military operations. Without providing evidence, Israel says the death toll includes thousands of militants it has killed.

The United States, Qatar and Egypt, which have been mediating negotiations between Israel and Hamas for months, announced the ceasefire on Wednesday.

The ceasefire will begin with a three-week pause in fighting and the release of dozens of Israeli hostages and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

Source: VOA
 
Trump had also warned of "all hell to pay" if Hamas did not agree to release the hostages - but the Palestinian official was bullish.

When Trump's man in the Middle East arrived in Israel on 11 January, it was the sabbath. Witkoff was asked to wait until the sabbath had ended before he met Netanyahu but, in a breach of custom, the envoy refused and demanded to meet the prime minister immediately.

Netanyahu appears to have come under serious strong-arming during the meeting and the intervention from the Trump camp to get the Israeli government to set aside its final reservations seems to have been critical.

The meeting was reportedly fractious and the message to Netanyahu from the incoming president was clear: Trump wants a deal - now get it done.

This week, Hamas official Bassem Naim told Al Arabiya he "couldn't imagine that [the deal] could be possible without the pressure of the incoming administration led by President Trump" - and specifically cited Witkoff's presence at the talks.
Trump Ma Man.

"All hell to pay" battle cry made peace.
 
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Israeli forces attack Gaza after ceasefire deadline missed

Israeli warplanes and artillery attacked the northern Gaza Strip on Sunday and Palestinian medics said eight people were killed shortly after Israel and Hamas missed a deadline for a ceasefire that could pave the way for halting the Middle East's most devastating conflict in years.

The delay in implementing the ceasefire and the latest violence came after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked, an hour before the 0630 GMT deadline, that Hamas provide the names of three hostages it was to release on Sunday as part of the agreement.

Hamas said it was committed to the ceasefire but that it had been unable so far to provide the hostage list for "technical field reasons", without elaborating.

The ceasefire deal could help usher in an end to the Gaza war, which began after Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls the tiny coastal territory, attacked Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, killing some 1,200 people, according to Israeli authorities.

Israel's response decimated the Gaza Strip, killing nearly 47,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza-based health authorities. The war also set off a confrontation throughout the Middle East between Israel and its arch-foe Iran, which backs Hamas and other anti-Israeli and anti-American paramilitary forces across the region.

Israeli military spokespeople said in separate statements on Sunday that their aircraft and artillery had attacked "terror targets" in northern and central Gaza, and that the military would continue to attack the strip as long as Hamas did not meet its obligations under the ceasefire.

The Palestinian Civil Emergency Service said that at least eight people were killed in the Israeli attacks and dozens wounded. Medics reported tanks firing at the Zeitoun area of Gaza City, and said that an airstrike and tank fire also hit the northern town of Beit Hanoun, sending residents who had returned there in anticipation of the ceasefire fleeing.

An air raid siren that sounded in the Sderot area of southern Irael had been a false alarm, the Israeli military said in a separate statement.

In the southern city of Khan Younis, some celebratory gunshots and cheers were heard at 8:30 a.m. (0630 GMT) when the ceasefire was meant to take effect.

Israeli forces had started withdrawing from areas in Gaza's Rafah to the Philadelphi corridor along the border between Egypt and Gaza, pro-Hamas media reported early on Sunday.

HOSTAGE LIST

Netanyahu's demand for a list of the first three hostages, who were to be released in the hours following the ceasefire, came an hour before the deadline.

"The prime minister instructed the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) that the ceasefire, which is supposed to go into effect at 8:30 a.m., will not begin until Israel has the list of released abductees that Hamas has pledged to provide," his office said on Sunday.

Hamas said the delay was "technical" but that the hostages' names could be released very soon.

The three-stage ceasefire agreement followed months of on-off negotiations brokered by Egypt, Qatar and the United States, and came just ahead of the Jan. 20 inauguration of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump.

Its first stage will last six weeks, during which 33 of the remaining 98 hostages - women, children, men over 50, the ill and wounded - will be released in return for almost 2,000 Palestinian prisoners and detainees.

They include 737 male, female and teen-aged prisoners, some of whom are members of militant groups convicted of attacks that killed dozens of Israelis, as well as hundreds of Palestinians from Gaza in detention since the start of the war.

The first three are female hostages expected to be released through the Red Cross on Sunday. In return for each, 30 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails are to be released.

Under the terms of the deal, Hamas will inform the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) where the meeting point will be inside Gaza and the ICRC is expected to begin driving to that location to collect the hostages, an official involved in the process told Reuters.

ENDING THE WAR?

After Sunday's hostage release, lead U.S. negotiator Brett McGurk said, the accord calls for four more female hostages to be freed after seven days, followed by the release of three further hostages every seven days thereafter.

U.S. President Joe Biden's team worked closely with Trump's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff to push the deal over the line.

As his inauguration approached, Trump had repeated his demand that a deal be done swiftly, warning repeatedly that there would be "hell to pay" if the hostages were not released.

But what will come next in Gaza remains unclear in the absence of a comprehensive agreement on the postwar future of the enclave, which will require billions of dollars and years of work to rebuild.

And although the stated aim of the ceasefire is to end the war entirely, it could easily unravel.

Hamas, which has controlled Gaza for almost two decades, has survived despite losing its top leadership and thousands of fighters.

Israel has vowed it will not allow Hamas to return to power and has cleared large stretches of ground inside Gaza, in a step widely seen as a move towards creating a buffer zone that will allow its troops to act freely against threats in the enclave.

In Israel, the return of the hostages may ease some of the public anger against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government over the Oct. 7 security failure that led to the deadliest single day in the country's history.

MIDEAST SHOCKWAVES

The war sent shockwaves across the region, triggering a conflict with the Tehran-backed Lebanese Hezbollah movement and bringing Israel into direct conflict with its arch-foe Iran for the first time.

It has also transformed the Middle East. Iran, which spent billions building up a network of militant groups around Israel, has seen its "Axis of Resistance" wrecked and was unable to inflict more than minimal damage on Israel in two major missile attacks.

Hezbollah, whose huge missile arsenal was once seen as the biggest threat to Israel, has seen its its top leadership killed and most of its missiles and military infrastructure destroyed.

On the diplomatic front, Israel has faced outrage and isolation over the death and devastation in Gaza.

Netanyahu faces an International Criminal Court arrest warrant on war crimes allegations and separate accusations of genocide at the International Court of Justice.

Israel has reacted with fury to both cases, rejecting the charges as politically motivated and accusing South Africa, which brought the original ICJ case as well as the countries that have joined it, of antisemitism.

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Like usual, the Israel will violate the ceasefire, and carry on their merry ways of killing innocent civilians.
 
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Like usual, the Israel will violate the ceasefire, and carry on their merry ways of killing innocent civilians.

If that is there govt policy, then unless there is outside intervention from the UN or NATO, then they might want to carry the genocide to it's logical conclusion.

But this is destroying israel's economy, and as long as they are not aided and abetted by unlimited funds from America, then it will end soon enough anyway.
 
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They've had 15 months of throwing every think and the kitchen sink at hamas in gaza and still haven't stopped the resistance in the strip
 
Israeli forces recover body of soldier held in Gaza since 2014

The Israeli military says special forces have recovered the body of a soldier killed in the 2014 Gaza war, which had been held hostage by Hamas since then.

Staff Sgt Oron Shaul's remains were found during a "covert, special operation" by the Israeli military and Shin Bet security service in Gaza, according to a statement.

His family was informed following an identification procedure carried out by the National Institute of Forensic Medicine and the Military Rabbinate, it added.

Hamas had been expected to hand over Shaul's remains as part of the new Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal, which was meant to be implemented on Sunday morning but has been delayed.

The Palestinian armed group is also holding three other Israelis seized before its 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the current war in Gaza.

One of them is another soldier who was killed in combat in 2014, Lt Hadar Goldin.

The two others are civilians believed to still be alive.

Ethiopian-Israeli Avera Mengistu and Bedouin Arab Israeli Hisham al-Sayed were seized in 2014 and 2015 respectively after they crossed into Gaza on their own. The Israeli government has said both suffered from mental health issues at the time.

Israel Defence Forces (IDF) spokesman Rear Adm Daniel Hagari said Shaul "fell in battle" in Gaza City's eastern Shejaiya district on 20 July 2014 and "was abducted by the Hamas terrorist organisation".

"This was a significant intelligence and operational undertaking that lasted over the past decade since his fall and abduction, and especially during the war and over the past few days," he told a briefing.

The operation to bring Shaul's body home for burial was conducted by special units from the IDF's Military Intelligence Directorate, the Shayetet 13 marine commando unit and Shin Bet operatives, he said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commended the special forces involved "for their resourcefulness and their bravery".

He said photos of Shaul and Goldin had "been before me in my office for many years as daily testimony to my commitment to bring them back home".

"We have completed the mission to bring back Oron and will not rest until we also complete the mission to bring back Hadar Goldin," he added.

"We will continue to act to return all of our hostages, the living and the deceased."

Netanyahu issued the statement shortly after he said the start of the Gaza ceasefire would be delayed until Hamas confirmed the names of the first hostages it planned to release in exchange for Palestinian prisoners.

Hamas blamed technical problems for failing to hand over the list, and said it was still committed to the deal.

Israel launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to the 7 October 2023 attack, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken hostage.

Almost 46,900 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry. Most of the 2.3 million population has been displaced, there is widespread destruction, and there are severe shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter due to a struggle to get aid to those in need.

Israel says 94 of the hostages are still being held by Hamas, of whom 34 are presumed dead.

The first six-week phase of the ceasefire deal should see 33 hostages - including women, children and elderly people - exchanged for Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel.

Israeli forces will also withdraw to the east, away from densely populated areas of Gaza, while displaced Palestinians will be allowed to begin returning to their homes and hundreds of aid lorries will be allowed into the territory each day.

Negotiations for the second phase - which should see the remaining hostages released, a full Israeli troop withdrawal and a return to "sustainable calm" - will start on the 16th day of the ceasefire.

The third and final stage will involve the reconstruction of Gaza - something which could take years - and the return of any remaining hostages' bodies.

BBC
 
If that is there govt policy, then unless there is outside intervention from the UN or NATO, then they might want to carry the genocide to it's logical conclusion.

But this is destroying israel's economy, and as long as they are not aided and abetted by unlimited funds from America, then it will end soon enough anyway.

They will not stop. This is just a show case of Trumps administration coming in and saying " we said we would end this conflict "

The Greater Israel is their driving force. They will continue on their merry way soon.
 
They will not stop. This is just a show case of Trumps administration coming in and saying " we said we would end this conflict "

The Greater Israel is their driving force. They will continue on their merry way soon.

If they want to push for a greater israel then they should be prepared to fund it. As long as it's not being bankrolled by the US then fair enough.
 
Process of transferring hostages to Red Cross begins - reports

The process of transferring the three Israeli hostages to the Red Cross in Gaza has begun, local media are reporting.

As we have been reporting the three women being released are Emily Damari, Romi Gonen and Doron Steinbrecher.

The International Committee of the Red Cross team in Gaza is on the way to collect the hostages, Reuters reports.

Sky News
 
Three hostages received by Red Cross

The three hostages who were released by Hamas as part of the first phase of its ceasefire deal have been received by the Red Cross team, the IDF report.

The women are Emily Damari, Romi Gonen and Doron Steinbrecher.

"The Red Cross has communicated that the three Israeli hostages were transferred to them and are on their way toward IDF and ISA forces in the Gaza Strip," the Israeli military said in a statement.

Sky News
 

Cheers and weeping as Israelis watch Gaza hostages return​

TEL AVIV/SDEROT, Israel, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Thousands of Israelis gathered in Hostages Square in Tel Aviv, some cheering and some in tears, as a giant television screen broadcast the first glimpse of the first three hostages to be released under the Gaza ceasefire deal.

They watched as the three women - Romi Gonen, Doron Steinbrecher and Emily Damari - got out of a car in Gaza City and were handed over to Red Cross officials amid a surging crowd that was held back by armed men in camouflaged military gear, with green Hamas headbands.

"I'm excited, I was so nervous, that they would come safe and alive to their mothers' hands. They were in the hands of terrorists for 471 days, three young women," said Shay Dickmann, whose cousin was found slain by her Hamas captors in August.

The Israeli military shared video showing their families gathered in what appeared to be a military facility crying out in emotion as they watched footage of the handover to Israeli forces in Gaza before they were brought back into Israel.

Pictures shared by the families showed the three women embracing their mothers at a reception centre, with Emily Damari beaming broadly and waving a bandaged hand missing two fingers at family on the other end of a mobile phone video call.

After a nerve-racking morning, waiting to hear whether Damari would be one of the three hostages freed on Sunday, her friends breathed a sigh of relief.

"We didn't have any sign of life from her for a whole year and this is the first time we are seeing her, and we are seeing her walking on her two feet and we are just waiting here to hug her and say how much we love her," said Guy Kleinberger.

They were later flown to a hospital in Tel Aviv in a helicopter that Israeli media reported was piloted by the head of the Israeli air force.

"Romi, Doron, Emily," an entire nation embraces you," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.

 

Israel's prison service says 90 Palestinian prisoners released​


CAIRO, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Israeli prison service said early on Monday that 90 Palestinian prisoners have been released as part of the hostages for prisoners swap deal between Israel and Hamas.

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what exactly did Hamas achieve with their actions on Oct 7 2023?
Hanas does not give a rats behind about Gazans and their lives. Their aim is to finish off Israel.
It’s funny to see Hamas celebrating and declaring victory in Gaza. At this point, Hamas is lucky that Israel did not take over entire Gaza.

The war is going to resume soon anyways. These ceasefires and peace treaties are a joke. The enmity is far deeper.
 

Three Israeli hostages returned and 90 Palestinian detainees released as part of ceasefire deal​


Three Israeli hostages have been reunited with their families, while 90 Palestinian prisoners were released in return in a ceasefire deal that has put an end, for now, to 15 months of bitter war in Gaza.

Amid a chaotic crowd in Gaza, the Israeli hostages were handed by masked, armed gunmen to the Red Cross on Sunday, before being transferred to the Israeli military and then entering southern Israel.

All three were in a stable condition, Sheba Medical Center said, and authorities released footage of them fiercely hugging their families and sobbing.

"An entire nation embraces you," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said.

Meanwhile, Palestinian families welcomed the 90 prisoners freed by Israel early on Monday morning, with crowds gathering to celebrate with the first bus of detainees in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

All are from the occupied West Bank or East Jerusalem. The youngest is a 15-year-old boy from East Jerusalem. Two 17-year-olds, a boy and a girl, were also named.

Israel had detained them for what it said were offences related to Israel's security, from throwing stones to more serious accusations like attempted murder.

One of the three hostages released by Hamas was 28-year-old British-Israeli Emily Damari, who was shot in the hand and taken to Gaza during the 7 October attack that sparked the war in 2023.

The other two hostages freed on Sunday were 31-year-old Doron Steinbrecher, abducted from the same Kibbutz Kfar Aza in southern Israel as Ms Damari, and Romi Gonen, 24, who was taken from the Supernova music festival.

Emily Damari's mother, Mandy Damari, thanked "everyone who never stopped fighting for Emily throughout this horrendous ordeal".

In Gaza, Palestinians have been both celebrating the relief from the bombing and grieving the loss of loved ones and livelihoods.

Some started the trek back through the rubble to what is left of their bombed-out homes, hoping to pick up any pieces of their live.

"I feel like at last I found some water to drink after getting lost in the desert for 15 months. I feel alive again," said a woman from Gaza City, who had been sheltering in Deir al Balah in the central Gaza Strip, for over a year.

The long-sought ceasefire for Gaza was delayed before it eventually took effect at 11.15am local time on Sunday (9.15am UK time).

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the ceasefire, which had been due to start at 6.30am, would not begin until Israel received the names of the three hostages to be released.

After receiving the list, his office confirmed in a statement the ceasefire had started.

Hamas blamed the delay on "technical field reasons", during which time Israel continued to launch military strikes on Gaza, killing a further 13 people, and injuring dozens, the Palestinian Civil Emergency Service said.

The Israeli military said it struck "terror targets".

Medics reported tanks firing at the Zeitoun area in Gaza City, and said an airstrike and tank fire also hit the northern town of Beit Hanoun, sending residents who had returned there in anticipation of the ceasefire fleeing.

Sky's Middle East correspondent Alistair Bunkall said he understood these technical issues may have been related to Hamas's difficulties passing messages between its leadership in Gaza. It has long avoided using mobile phones to prevent detection by the Israeli military.

"Many in Israel will naturally blame Hamas for playing games," Bunkall said.

"The mediating teams knew the ceasefire would be shaky, they knew that there would be bumps in the road and have encouraged both Israel and Hamas to remain calm as any difficulties are worked through."

 
Body of Israeli soldier rescued in covert operation, says IDF

The body of an Israeli soldier was rescued from Gaza yesterday, the Israel Defence Forces has said.

In a statement, the military said Sergeant Oron Shaul died during a battle in the 2014 Gaza War - known as Operation Protective Edge - and his body was kidnapped by Hamas.

"In a special covert operation by IDF and Shin Bet forces, the abducted soldier, Sergeant Oron Shaul, was rescued yesterday," it said.

Sergeant Shaul's family was visited by members of the IDF, who described him as a "heroic and brave soldier".

Sky News
 

Smotrich threatens to ‘bring down the government’ over fighting in Gaza​

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a staunch opponent of any Gaza ceasefire agreement, refused to commit to any specific date for leaving the Israeli government when asked by reporters.

“We do not need to talk about one day or another. If we do not return to fighting, I will bring down the government,” Israeli media quoted him as saying.

“I demanded and received a commitment from Prime Minister Netanyahu that Israel would return to the campaign to destroy Hamas and eradicate this threat to the State of Israel.”

Unlike far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his allies, Smotrich has yet to quit the government, but maintains the ceasefire will hurt Israel. The government and army have sought to reassure the powerful ultranationalist factions represented by the two ministers that Israel will keep military control of Gaza.

Smotrich confirmed that his Religious Zionist Party will retain its Knesset seats after Ben-Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit quit the coalition.

Source: Al Jazeera
 

Gazans begin searching for people under rubble on day two of ceasefire​

GAZA/CAIRO, Jan 20 (Reuters) - Palestinians began searching on Monday for thousands of Gazans believed still buried under rubble, as residents expressed shock at the devastation wrought by 15 months of war on the enclave on the second day of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

The truce in the 15-month-old conflict, which has laid waste to the Gaza Strip and inflamed the Middle East, took effect on Sunday with the release of the first three hostages held by Hamas and 90 Palestinians freed from Israeli jails.

Now attention is starting to shift to the rebuilding of the coastal enclave which the Israeli military has demolished in retaliation for a Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.

That assault killed 1,200 people with around 250 hostages taken into Gaza, according to Israeli tallies. In the subsequent conflict, more than 47,000 Palestinians have been killed, Gaza's health ministry says.

"We are searching for 10,000 martyrs whose bodies remain under the rubble," said Mahmoud Basal, spokesperson of the Palestinian Civil Emergency Services.

At least 2,840 bodies were melted and there were no traces of them, he said.

Displaced Gazan Mohamed Gomaa lost his brother and nephew in the war.

"It was a big shock, and the amount (of people) feeling shocked is countless because of what happened to their homes - it's destruction, total destruction. It's not like an earthquake or a flood, no no, what happened is a war of extermination," he said.

With a growing flow of aid into the Palestinian enclave, residents flocked into markets, with some expressing happiness at the lower prices and the presence of new food items like imported chocolates.

"The prices have gone down, the war is over and the crossing is open to more goods," said Aya Mohammad-Zaki, a displaced woman from Gaza City, who has been sheltering in Deir Al-Balah in central Gaza Strip.

The deal requires 600 truckloads of aid to be allowed into Gaza every day of the initial six-week ceasefire, including 50 carrying fuel. Half of the aid trucks would be delivered to the north, where experts have warned famine is imminent.

Source: Reuters
 

Smotrich threatens to ‘bring down the government’ over fighting in Gaza​

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, a staunch opponent of any Gaza ceasefire agreement, refused to commit to any specific date for leaving the Israeli government when asked by reporters.

“We do not need to talk about one day or another. If we do not return to fighting, I will bring down the government,” Israeli media quoted him as saying.

“I demanded and received a commitment from Prime Minister Netanyahu that Israel would return to the campaign to destroy Hamas and eradicate this threat to the State of Israel.”

Unlike far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir and his allies, Smotrich has yet to quit the government, but maintains the ceasefire will hurt Israel. The government and army have sought to reassure the powerful ultranationalist factions represented by the two ministers that Israel will keep military control of Gaza.

Smotrich confirmed that his Religious Zionist Party will retain its Knesset seats after Ben-Gvir’s Otzma Yehudit quit the coalition.

Source: Al Jazeera

Smotrich is one evil human being. He wants killings of Palestinian civilians to continue.
 
Hanas does not give a rats behind about Gazans and their lives. Their aim is to finish off Israel.
It’s funny to see Hamas celebrating and declaring victory in Gaza. At this point, Hamas is lucky that Israel did not take over entire Gaza.

The war is going to resume soon anyways. These ceasefires and peace treaties are a joke. The enmity is far deeper.

you are very angry and upset innocent people are no longer being bombed, this exposes you as usual .

The resistance is made up of children being born in refugee camps , their bravery is not something you and other Hindutva can ever comprehend.

After 15 months the sick biggest militaries in the world couldn't destroy them . This is a heroic once in a millennium resistance. They will continue resistance, keep crying over your saffron scarf


 
you are very angry and upset innocent people are no longer being bombed, this exposes you as usual .

The resistance is made up of children being born in refugee camps , their bravery is not something you and other Hindutva can ever comprehend.

After 15 months the sick biggest militaries in the world couldn't destroy them . This is a heroic once in a millennium resistance. They will continue resistance, keep crying over your saffron scarf


You can cry all you want about genocide. If Hamas cared about Gazans, they would come out in open and fight. Not build tunnels under heavily populated areas and fire rockets from there.

Anyways, this war is going to resume again. May be not under Trump's watch. In a few years when Trump is out of office, the whole war restarts. Hamas is not going to make peace with the situation. They will keep doing their dastardly acts until Israel is eliminated.
 
You can cry all you want about genocide. If Hamas cared about Gazans, they would come out in open and fight. Not build tunnels under heavily populated areas and fire rockets from there.

Anyways, this war is going to resume again. May be not under Trump's watch. In a few years when Trump is out of office, the whole war restarts. Hamas is not going to make peace with the situation. They will keep doing their dastardly acts until Israel is eliminated.

This is as stupid a post one will read in their lifetimes.

I pointed out the biggest militaries in his history were trying to eliminate them , a brain cell would think they are people born in refugee camps , a unimaginable difference of military capability. Allow them the same , Israel would have long gone , maybe to Bollywood.

Lets hope your children are not in the state you glee for others being bombed and blown apart .
Keep showing your nature
 
They've had 15 months of throwing every think and the kitchen sink at hamas in gaza and still haven't stopped the resistance in the strip
So gullible. Or twisted.

Without an enemy, military industrial complexes cease to exist. Wiping out resistance means exactly that.

Surely the deaths of tens of thousands should make you cognizant of reality, but you are blinded by religious rage.
 
Hanas does not give a rats behind about Gazans and their lives. Their aim is to finish off Israel.
It’s funny to see Hamas celebrating and declaring victory in Gaza. At this point, Hamas is lucky that Israel did not take over entire Gaza.

The war is going to resume soon anyways. These ceasefires and peace treaties are a joke. The enmity is far deeper.

Imagine if more people like you had existed when your ancestors were resisting colonizers.

On second thought, your ancestors might have chosen otherwise if they knew their descendants would end up supporting the colonizers.
 
Ceasefire here has started a fire on Indian.
 
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Imagine if more people like you had existed when your ancestors were resisting colonizers.

On second thought, your ancestors might have chosen otherwise if they knew their descendants would end up supporting the colonizers.
Rich.

Didn't your ancestors support the arab colonizers by first converting en masse, and then subjugating their own kind who resisted?
 
Rich.

Didn't your ancestors support the arab colonizers by first converting en masse, and then subjugating their own kind who resisted?

Probably, but do you see me supporting colonizing “your kind” in the year 2025?
 
Imagine if more people like you had existed when your ancestors were resisting colonizers.

On second thought, your ancestors might have chosen otherwise if they knew their descendants would end up supporting the colonizers.
Jews lived in that land a thousand years before Arabs occupied it. So your colonizers narrative is silly.

Secondly, if Hamas comes back to power in Gaza which it will, the whole war starts again in no time.

Hamas has not stopped weapons or surrendered. Which only means more deaths in the future.
 
Whatever happened to the original thread started on oct 7 2023? That thread seems to have been purged with all the messages of the usual suspects.

would be insight tot see their change in tone then and now
 
Jews lived in that land a thousand years before Arabs occupied it. So your colonizers narrative is silly.

Secondly, if Hamas comes back to power in Gaza which it will, the whole war starts again in no time.

Hamas has not stopped weapons or surrendered. Which only means more deaths in the future.

And there were other races that lived there before the Jews.
Jews themselves were black, look at the middle-eastern people and compare them to Israeli Arabs/jews... do they like look black or Middle Eastern to you?
 
Jews lived in that land a thousand years before Arabs occupied it. So your colonizers narrative is silly.

Secondly, if Hamas comes back to power in Gaza which it will, the whole war starts again in no time.

Hamas has not stopped weapons or surrendered. Which only means more deaths in the future.

Just because Indian Hindus converted to Islam doesn’t make them Arabs, and no one has the right to ask them to leave India simply because they’re no longer Hindus.

You probably also believe that no one inhabited that land until Polish Z boys occupied it.
 
'In every street there are dead': Gaza rescuers reckon with scale of destruction

On the first full day of peace in Gaza on Monday, rescue workers and civilians began to reckon with the sheer scale of the destruction to the Strip.

Gaza's Civil Defence agency – the strip's main emergency response service – said it feared there were more than 10,000 bodies still buried under the vast sea of rubble.

Spokesman Mahmoud Basal told the BBC that they hoped to recover the dead within 100 days, but were likely to be delayed by a deficit of bulldozers and other essential equipment.

New images from Gaza following Sunday's ceasefire showed scenes of total devastation wrought during 15 months of Israeli offensive, particularly in the north of the enclave.

The UN has previously estimated that 60% of structures across Gaza have been damaged or destroyed.

Though the sounds of bombing were replaced by celebrations as the ceasefire began on Sunday, the reality facing people across Gaza remains desperate.

According to the UN World Food Programme (WFP), the war has left more than two million Gazans homeless, without income, and completely dependent on food aid to survive.

That aid began to enter Gaza immediately after the ceasefire on Sunday and the UN said at least 630 lorries went into the Strip before the end of the day.

On Monday, a further 915 lorries entered the enclave, the UN said, the highest number since the start of the war 15 months ago.

Sam Rose, acting director of Unrwa, the UN's Palestinian refugee agency in Gaza, said the aid supplies were just the beginning in the challenge of bringing the strip back to life.

"We're not just talking about food, healthcare, buildings, roads, infrastructure, we've got individuals, families, communities that need to be rebuilt," he said.

"The trauma that they've gone through, the suffering, the loss, the grief, the humiliation, and the cruelty that they've endured over the past 16 months - this is going to be a very, very long road."

In Israel, the families of the three hostages who were freed in the first exchange spoke at a news conference in Tel Aviv on Monday night. Mandy Damari, the mother of dual Israeli-British citizen Emily Damari, said Emily was in "high spirits" and "on the road to recovery" despite losing two fingers in the Hamas attack on 7 October 2023.

Meirav Leshem Gonen, the mother of Romi Gonen, said: "We got our Romi back, but all families deserve the same outcome, both the living and the dead. Our hearts go out to the other families."

Before the news conference, Israeli authorities released new footage showing Damari, 28, Gonen, 24, and Doron Steinbrecher, 31 tearfully greeting their mothers on Sunday just moments after being taken out of Gaza.

If the first phase of the ceasefire holds, 30 more hostages will be released from Gaza over the next 40 days in return for about 1,800 Palestinians freed from Israeli jails.

Palestinian health authorities estimate that more than 46,900 people were killed in Gaza during the more than 15 months of war and more than 110,700 were wounded.

The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants but it says the majority of the dead are women and children – an assertion backed by the UN.

A UK-led study published by the medical journal The Lancet this month suggested that the health ministry figures may underestimate the death toll by more than 40%.

The Gaza Civil Defence agency said in a statement on Monday that 48% of its own personnel had been killed, injured or detained during the conflict, and 85% of its vehicles and 17 out of 21 facilities had been damaged or destroyed.

Though the risk from air strikes is gone, for now, the grim work continues for the remaining Civil Defence workers. Pictures shared with the BBC by members of the agency in northern Gaza on Monday showed them performing harrowing work, including the recovery of dead babies and of human remains in poor condition.

"In every street there are dead. In every neighbourhood there are people under the buildings," said Abdullah Al-Majdalawi, a 24-year-old Civil Defence worker in Gaza City.

"Even after the ceasefire we received many calls from people saying please come, my family is buried under the rubble."

Malaak Kasab, a 23-year-old recent graduate displaced from Gaza City, told the BBC on Monday that members of her own family were among those yet to be recovered.

"We have lost a lot of members of our family and some are still under the destroyed buildings," she said. "There are a lot of people under the rubble – everybody knows about this."

Kasab's family home in an apartment building was not completely destroyed, she said, but very badly damaged. "There are no doors, no windows, no water, no electricity, nothing. Not even wood to make a fire. It is unliveable."

Movement is still dangerous for displaced Gazans as the Israeli military begins the process of withdrawing from populated areas of the Strip.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) has warned people not to approach its personnel or installations, nor enter a buffer zone it created around the border of Gaza and around the Netzarim corridor, which bisects Gaza separating north from south.

But many residents were eager to see what was left of their homes sooner than they had been advised. Hatem Eliwah, a 42-year-old factory supervisor from Gaza City, said he was considering setting out on foot from his shelter in Khan Younis in the south.

"We have been waiting for this ceasefire like people waiting to enter heaven," Eliwah said. "I lost two of my brothers and their families. I lost cousins, uncles. The only thing I still hope for is to go home."

There are grave concerns on both sides that the deal could collapse even before the first phase is complete in roughly six weeks, and Israel has stressed it reserves the right to resume military action in Gaza at any time.

Speaking at a meeting of the UN Security Council on Monday, Secretary-General Antonio Guterres welcomed the deal as a "ray of hope" and said its obligations must be met.

But Guterres warned of a worsening situation in the occupied West Bank, which has seen a huge rise in Israeli settler attacks against Palestinian villages since the Hamas attack on Israel of 7 October 2023.

"Senior Israeli officials openly speak of formally annexing all or part of the West Bank in the coming months," Guterres said, adding: "Any such annexation would constitute a most serious violation of international law."

BBC
 
That some of our ancestors used to be Hindu? Okay, and?
All of our ancestors were non-muslim. Some converted due to fear, most resisted.

A religion that professes us vs them division pits one human against another for dis/believing in one fantasy god vs many fantasy gods.

To exacerbate the same ideology antagonizes humans who believe in the same god: jews vs muslims. Therein lies the problem. And that's why ceasefire is bound to fail.
 
All of our ancestors were non-muslim. Some converted due to fear, most resisted.

A religion that professes us vs them division pits one human against another for dis/believing in one fantasy god vs many fantasy gods.

To exacerbate the same ideology antagonizes humans who believe in the same god: jews vs muslims. Therein lies the problem. And that's why ceasefire is bound to fail.

Even for a self confessed apostate supposedly from Karachi that is a strange take. Seems like the sort of reinvention of history that hindutvas usually make that Muslims were converted by the sword otherwise they would never have left their lovely caste-ridden religion.
 
Israeli military raids Jenin in West Bank, one Palestinian reported killed

- Israeli security forces launched an operation in the volatile West Bank city of Jenin, killing at least one Palestinian, officials said on Tuesday.

The military said soldiers, police and intelligence services had begun a counter-terrorism action in the city, giving no further details.

Prior to the Israeli action, Palestinian security forces had been conducting a weeks-long operation to reassert control in the city and the adjacent refugee camp, a major centre of armed militant groups in the occupied West Bank.

Palestinian health services said at least one Palestinian was killed and four wounded as the Israeli raid began in Jenin, where an Israeli air strike last week in the refugee camp killed at least three Palestinians and wounded scores more.

The move into Jenin, where the Israeli army has carried out multiple raids and large-scale incursions over recent years, comes only days after the start of a ceasefire in Gaza and underscores the threat of more violence in the West Bank.

Late on Monday, bands of Israeli settlers attacked Palestinians, smashing cars and burning property, just as newly installed U.S. President Donald Trump announced he was lifting sanctions on violent settlers.

The attack near the village of al-Funduq, in an area where three Israelis were killed in a shooting earlier this month, was the latest in a long sequence of incidents that have accelerated strongly since the start of the war in Gaza.

The military said it had opened an investigation into the incident, which it said involved dozens of Israeli civilians, some in masks.

REUTERS
 
Israeli military raids Jenin in West Bank, one Palestinian reported killed

- Israeli security forces launched an operation in the volatile West Bank city of Jenin, killing at least one Palestinian, officials said on Tuesday.

The military said soldiers, police and intelligence services had begun a counter-terrorism action in the city, giving no further details.

Prior to the Israeli action, Palestinian security forces had been conducting a weeks-long operation to reassert control in the city and the adjacent refugee camp, a major centre of armed militant groups in the occupied West Bank.

Palestinian health services said at least one Palestinian was killed and four wounded as the Israeli raid began in Jenin, where an Israeli air strike last week in the refugee camp killed at least three Palestinians and wounded scores more.

The move into Jenin, where the Israeli army has carried out multiple raids and large-scale incursions over recent years, comes only days after the start of a ceasefire in Gaza and underscores the threat of more violence in the West Bank.

Late on Monday, bands of Israeli settlers attacked Palestinians, smashing cars and burning property, just as newly installed U.S. President Donald Trump announced he was lifting sanctions on violent settlers.

The attack near the village of al-Funduq, in an area where three Israelis were killed in a shooting earlier this month, was the latest in a long sequence of incidents that have accelerated strongly since the start of the war in Gaza.

The military said it had opened an investigation into the incident, which it said involved dozens of Israeli civilians, some in masks.

REUTERS

I thought there were a ceasefire. Why the raid?

What kind of ceasefire is this?
 
It is the best news of the 2025. I am an optimistic person and I tend to see the best in things until people let me down. My prayers are that these people have finally had enough of war. The people have suffered too much. Too many people have been dead. You have to really think about humanity in general.
 
76 years of brutal occupation. All this ceasefire bull crap is just a xxit show For Trumps presidential inauguration.
The land was divided between Jews and Arabs by Brits.

Arabs tried to obliterate Israel several times. Failed more miserably.

Each time, they lost the war, they lost the land to Israel.

May be Arab nations should not have fought wars with Israel. Aggressors claiming victimhood when they got their bottoms handed to them by a superior and smart military. :rolleyes:
 
It is the best news of the 2025. I am an optimistic person and I tend to see the best in things until people let me down. My prayers are that these people have finally had enough of war. The people have suffered too much. Too many people have been dead. You have to really think about humanity in general.
Read my post above. Hamas are back with full force. They will be in power again. No elections. This is all temporary truce. Postponing the inevitable war.
The only solution for this is if a more moderate government rules Gaza and makes peace with Israel. But its a fantasy.
 
The land was divided between Jews and Arabs by Brits.

Arabs tried to obliterate Israel several times. Failed more miserably.

Each time, they lost the war, they lost the land to Israel.

May be Arab nations should not have fought wars with Israel. Aggressors claiming victimhood when they got their bottoms handed to them by a superior and smart military. :rolleyes:

There is no HAMAS in GAZA or the Refugee camps. Yet the zionest Terrorists continue to kill innocent civilians.

But they refuse combat with Hamas or Hezbollah, because courage cannot be bought.
 
Read my post above. Hamas are back with full force. They will be in power again. No elections. This is all temporary truce. Postponing the inevitable war.
The only solution for this is if a more moderate government rules Gaza and makes peace with Israel. But its a fantasy.

lol Back, they never left as they werent wiped out as the Zionist leader promised time and again.

No Indian crying on here or any power can finish the legitimate resistance of the Palestinians.

The solution is stop the occupation, a 5 year old know this.
 
All of our ancestors were non-muslim. Some converted due to fear, most resisted.

A religion that professes us vs them division pits one human against another for dis/believing in one fantasy god vs many fantasy gods.

To exacerbate the same ideology antagonizes humans who believe in the same god: jews vs muslims. Therein lies the problem. And that's why ceasefire is bound to fail.
what an incredibly insightful history lesson, tailored perfectly to fit your narrative.

The ceasefire is doomed to fail because the occupier refuses to relinquish control, and the oppressed will not stop fighting for their freedom. Anyone with a shred of decency and without ulterior motives should stand with the oppressed, rather than pushing their own agenda.
 
The land was divided between Jews and Arabs by Brits.

Arabs tried to obliterate Israel several times. Failed more miserably.

Each time, they lost the war, they lost the land to Israel.

May be Arab nations should not have fought wars with Israel. Aggressors claiming victimhood when they got their bottoms handed to them by a superior and smart military. :rolleyes:
That tired old talking point again? No one in the Global South is falling for it, except for some in India. And not just anyone in India, you know who you are. Some even tried banning TikTok over it.
 
There is no HAMAS in GAZA or the Refugee camps. Yet the zionest Terrorists continue to kill innocent civilians.

But they refuse combat with Hamas or Hezbollah, because courage cannot be bought.
So where was Hamas hiding then? :genius
Right in the camps where women and children took shelter. One cannot fight Hamas without killing and hurting innocents. Its all part of their plan. More innocents die, more sympathy and narrative builds for Hamas.
Hamas never cared for Gazans. They want the destruction of Israel even if means loss of lives of Gazans in thousands. They do not care.
 
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