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I remember Umar Gul before 2011 world cup semi final that i would be targeting Indias top order . As a result, Sehwag finishes him off.

Usman Shinwari, I want to take 5 wickets aginst India, Rohit finishes them off.


Pakistan players after that champions trophy win have been bought back to earth and I personally feel this is a good lesson to them.
 
Not want to say but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right when he said Champion Trophy was the fluke...
 
Not want to say but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right when he said Champion Trophy was the fluke...

Explain how ct was a fluke? Was it their first win of the tournament? Are you saying every victory against india is a fluke? Did the Indian batsmen throw their wickets away or did we bowl good line and length and put pressure on them? Does that one no ball make the whole outcome of the result a fluke? Cuz if u remember sachin was dropped 4 times so indias wc2011 was a fluke too?
 
Not want to say but [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right when he said Champion Trophy was the fluke...

Couldn't agree with you more. Our much vaunted pace attack compared to India's so called trundler's is unwinding right now.
 
We don't have neither decent pace attack or batting lineup. Wake up people.....
 
We cant live of the CT forever. The gulf in batting quality between the 2 teams is too vast and 9 times out of 10 India will beat Pakistan and one of the major reasons is that Indians consistently faced quality competition while our team plays most of its cricket against Minnows and the likes of Sri Lanka, West Indies which is extremely counter productive after a while.
 
This is why it is wise to remain humble when you win. If you aren't, you induce extreme reactions on both possible outcomes of the match.

From what I see, Pakistan just seems too friendly to me. Don't see that passion and anger that we saw in the Final last year. Also, our players really need to toughen up and show some mental rigidity. The impatience showed by the batsmen was just ridiculous.

But is this team simply not adept to win? Incorrect. This team is more than capable of winning, just need to play with the same intensity.
 
Explain how ct was a fluke? Was it their first win of the tournament? Are you saying every victory against india is a fluke? Did the Indian batsmen throw their wickets away or did we bowl good line and length and put pressure on them? Does that one no ball make the whole outcome of the result a fluke? Cuz if u remember sachin was dropped 4 times so indias wc2011 was a fluke too?

What will u say if Pakistan goes onto win the Asia cup.Dont make judgements on 1 match.I have seen this team grow and I strongly feel we will have our revenge on sunday
 
Its so damn funny where some poster's are indicating that our team didn't play to their potential or didn't care since this was an inconsequential match. Basically our tem didn't care if it won and certanly won't be impacted by the loss.

If that's the case then why even bother showing up to play? Simply forfeit the game and tell Indians that we will play you only in the knockout and final and we are going to beat the S^&$ out of you in those games
 
Its so damn funny where some poster's are indicating that our team didn't play to their potential or didn't care since this was an inconsequential match. Basically our tem didn't care if it won and certanly won't be impacted by the loss.

If that's the case then why even bother showing up to play? Simply forfeit the game and tell Indians that we will play you only in the knockout and final and we are going to beat the S^&$ out of you in those games

Coping mechanism.

However, its not the end of the world.

Just need to improve.
 
After facing Anderson and Broad for last 2 months....Shinwari was like facing a club bowler for Dhawan. But didnt expect Rohit to do so well :))
 
Explain how ct was a fluke? Was it their first win of the tournament? Are you saying every victory against india is a fluke? Did the Indian batsmen throw their wickets away or did we bowl good line and length and put pressure on them? Does that one no ball make the whole outcome of the result a fluke? Cuz if u remember sachin was dropped 4 times so indias wc2011 was a fluke too?

It was a fluke because we caught England and India on their off-days in the semifinal and final respectively. Both teams will beat us black and blue 8 out of 10 times. We just got lucky and plenty of things went our way.
 
It was a fluke because we caught England and India on their off-days in the semifinal and final respectively. Both teams will beat us black and blue 8 out of 10 times. We just got lucky and plenty of things went our way.

Also that Bumrah no-ball was the key. Zaman was out for 2 runs and if it was not a no ball, that game would have been similar to the one today.
 
Lol. Pakistani fans need to be a lot more positive. Pakistan needs to improve their bowling a lot. Because bowlers win matches for you. Batsmen are anyway hopeless. Also for a change start respecting Indian pace bowler. They get very less credit even from Indian fans at times. Indian pace bowlers were outstanding today. If Pakistan had decent score they could have put pressure on India with trash and rubbish middle order.
 
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We were told that India is scared of playing Pakistan in the UAE.
 
This team have a lot to work on. Today wasn't a good start but as I have said many times the next year or so will tell us how good this team is.
 
We were told that India is scared of playing Pakistan in the UAE.

And by whom were you told so?
India is world class in such conditions. Their openers are probably the best opening combo in world cricket.

We need our batting to fire and 2 dowm for not much didnt help. I expect us to reach the final. Boys will come back hard.
 
Over reaction ! we had a bad start due to unnecessary shots by our openers. India capitalised on that and bowled tight lines and we did not allow us to recover. When you only have 160 to defend no bowling side would look special especially on these unfriendly pace bowling confitions.
 
It was a fluke because we caught England and India on their off-days in the semifinal and final respectively. Both teams will beat us black and blue 8 out of 10 times. We just got lucky and plenty of things went our way.

Did Sri Lanka catch India on their “off days” too when they beat them in the group stage?

And the semi final wasn’t a fluke by performance, England didn’t adapt well to the used pitch, we did and we played better.
 
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Over reaction ! we had a bad start due to unnecessary shots by our openers. India capitalised on that and bowled tight lines and we did not allow us to recover. When you only have 160 to defend no bowling side would look special especially on these unfriendly pace bowling confitions.

Every team loses early wickets, I didn't expect the Pak team to dismiss India with such a small total to defend but the bowlers could have shown some fight and quality, for a side whose bowling line up is so talked about, just getting 2 wickets is not good enough.
 
And by whom were you told so?
India is world class in such conditions. Their openers are probably the best opening combo in world cricket.

We need our batting to fire and 2 dowm for not much didnt help. I expect us to reach the final. Boys will come back hard.

Best opening combo?I think England was a reality check for us and so will Australia..We should have tried Shaw,Gill and Pant in these conditions...
 
Best opening combo?I think England was a reality check for us and so will Australia..We should have tried Shaw,Gill and Pant in these conditions...

Tell me which team has better openers then Rohit and Dhawan? Especially in Asian conditions?

If we want to compete we need minimum 275 plus in the UAE vs India. I expect the batsmen to come back harder next game. Take their time. 40 for 0 is a good platform in the UAE.
 
Tell me which team has better openers then Rohit and Dhawan? Especially in Asian conditions?

If we want to compete we need minimum 275 plus in the UAE vs India. I expect the batsmen to come back harder next game. Take their time. 40 for 0 is a good platform in the UAE.
Both Rohit and Shikhar are like sitting ducks against the moving ball and i would back the Pakistani and English Openers to do excel in all conditions and better suited for England and Australia..
 
Goddamn people just chill. It's one game, we lost our first game against Australia terribly as well 2 months back, but we bounced back, and I expect Pakistan to do the same on Sunday. If we lose terribly again then maybe you guys have a point, but this is a knee-jerk reaction.

Just have some faith people, please.
 
The wrist slitting has started....again.
In fact I don't think many ppers have wrists left to slit.....
 
Hahah.. the damn wrist slitters are out in full force..

Chill yaaro!! some you win and some you lose..

Support your team through thick and thin
 
Both Rohit and Shikhar are like sitting ducks against the moving ball and i would back the Pakistani and English Openers to do excel in all conditions and better suited for England and Australia..
English openers? You mean Alex Hale and Jason Roy? Lol. They are even bigger FTBs than Rohit and Shikhar.
 
Didn't know Zimbabwe has a superior W/L against Pakistan

mate get out of history, try to live in present. A Hitch is always a Hitch. can you give me sample where Pakistan had an upper hand(means favorite) in recent series against Australia, South Africa or even England.

Everytime you play its around 70:30 for big teams, 30 is coz Pak is such an unpreditable team.
 
Had Pakistan managed to take Indian openers out cheaply, then I doubt if India wud have chased 160 successfully. India is a top heavy team, if you get through Rohit and Dhawan then the game is yours.
 
I want to talk about our games in the champions trophy and as I was there for all of them from game 1 till the final. Let me give you my view on them:

Look back at the champions trophy in the first game against India. Hassan Ali dropped Virat Kohli at a very key moment in the game were at the time the game was balanced but of course dropping the Indian batsman once is alright but we dropped aplenty that day and alongside Yuvraj Singh, Virat and him went onto pulverise us. Lest we forget about Wahab Riaz being a usual spray gun that day. India made 319 with the top 4 all scoring half centuries and in the 5 deliveries he faced, Pandya slammed us for 3 sixes and what seems to be seen far too often whilst chasing a big score our batting had no game plan. We lost by over 120 runs. It was abysmal.

South Africa. 1 player turned up for them in David Miller and in the bowling department for us it was Hassan Ali. Hassan was Remarkable that day. If memory serves me correctly; Amir, Hafeez and Junaid got smacked up for more than 50 runs each and Hassan was the only one who used the pitch to his advantage. When the rain started coming down I don't know what on earth Babar and Hafeez were doing but praise the Lord Shoaib Malik had the right initiative and that 16* he had in like 13/14 deliveries with 3 fours was the key in a 19 run D/L victory whilst we were chasing 220 and if their was no rain. I honestly think we probably would have struggled a lot. Fakhar's Fireworks on his debut also helped a lot to the rain caused win.

Against Sri Lanka. Practical quarter final. Once again, Hassan Ali. Outstanding. Junaid Khan too was brilliant that day. Both of them took 6 wickets altogether and I think it was 3 each. Dickwella scored 70 odd and that contributed massively for Sri Lanka getting to 236. An opening partnership of 75 for us I thought we'll easily cruise to a win from there but 75-1 went too 160-7. Sarfaraz was dropped 3 times and I think Amir was dropped once too. Didn't even rain that day in Cardiff but even if the Lankans had super glue in their hands they wouldn't have caught anything purely because all the luck in the world was ours and I remember when the ball went up in the air the 3rd time whilst Sarfaraz was batting and I said he'll drop it which happened and I knew we'd pull it off because like I said. All the luck in the world was ours that day. Sri Lanka bottled that game differently with their fielding.

Semi final against England, The favourites. That has to be the most clinical Pakistani performance I have ever witnessed with my own 2 eyes when it comes to batting, bowling and fielding. Everything about us that day was sheer and utter world class. In Nasser Hussain's famous words against South Africa in the 2009 T20 World Cup semi final at Nottingham. "I think we've figured out which Pakistan have turned up today, It's the one to be afraid of." Englad had no chance.

The final against India. We all know what happened. Fakhar's magnificence, Curtsy of a Bumrah no ball. That is said and will always be said will be the moment which changed the game for Pakistan. But I always say, If he didn't overstep. Maybe it would have pitched elsewhere in terms of line or length I mean it wasn't an unplayable Yorker which he had delivered so you never know. In a high pressure final, Where a Pakistani bowling attack doesn't have to worry too much about getting hit for runs and an attack which had struck fear into the favourites in England the game before. It was always going to be difficult for India as great as their batting is.

Pakistan were very lucky in the most crucial periods of our 2 group games and I feel that is what favoured us the most. That being said in a tournament, You always need luck too.

In 1992, We got bowled out for 74 against England. England were 24/1. Thanks to rain they were chasing 64 and now Hypothetically, We lose. We'd have no chance of making it to the semi finals of the World Cup and curtsy of divine intervention the entire England innings was rained off after that so a point each had been shared.

So you can say generations have changed but the statements remain the same but the fact of the matter is, No matter what ODI tournament there is. World Cup, Champions Trophy, Asia cup. Pakistan needs luck on their side to pull off tournament wins. Because no matter how World class or extremely well skilled our players are, If it ain't their day. They ain't winning us anything.
 
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