Green pitches awaiting team India

[SunnyViRahul]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

 

[Drreddymd]

Looks like you don't understand what is actually difficult about playing overseas. If India can beat Australia on a pitch almost exactly like one in Australia, then there isn't too much difference.



India was #1 before these home series, but don't let facts get in your way.

He quietly forgotten that india played non stop away tours for 18 months but but rankings are fowl only when india plays at home.

 

[Drreddymd]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

It makes absolute sense to me. U seem to be oblivious to indias performance in aus, sa, nz where they r in winning positions in Adelaide, napier, joburg, won in lords.

Please come out of u r bubble and see facts

 

[Drreddymd]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

They have drawn 2 tests in aus. How? By facing underarm bowling? Not pace bowling from johnson, starc, harris, hazlewood?

 

[Drreddymd]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

Yeah the moment indian batsman step out of india they lose the stomach to fight pace bowling isn't it? May be in u r alternative reality? India scored more than 400 in every test in aus. If that is not a fight then u r deluded

 

[SunnyViRahul]

Dr. Reddy, you seem to have a lot of stats at your finger tips ! Respect !

Now, Can you please post our last 2 series stats against England and Australia Away please ?
Also, can you pleas post the circumstances which ultimately lead to India being #1 ?

If you honestly do that, you will find the answer to yourself. There wont be a need for debate.

 

[Sachin136]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

Our batsman fared well against Starc, Johnson, Harris, NZ and SA bowlers etc in their home. What more do you want them to do? Why set up random parameters only for our players? Smith failed on the most difficult pitch this series in Bangalore but no one bats an eye. On a rank turner in Pune, Smith gave 6 chances in his century. Amla and AB failed on rank turners.

Indian batsmen did well overseas but people like you still complain they didn't do it on pitches assisting fast bowlers.

 

[Sachin136]

Dr. Reddy, you seem to have a lot of stats at your finger tips ! Respect !

Now, Can you please post our last 2 series stats against England and Australia Away please ?
Also, can you pleas post the circumstances which ultimately lead to India being #1 ?

If you honestly do that, you will find the answer to yourself. There wont be a need for debate.

India got to #1 by competing in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa and winning in WI and SL. For comparison, Pakistan recently got whitewashed easily in Australia and New Zealand and will probably not be able to even draw a match in their next series in South Africa. England couldn't win in WI and Australia got whitewashed in SL.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

OK Sachin136 and Dr.Reddy, you guys are not posting the findings of your honest research. I will come back tonight with relevant data after which we will conclude this discussion comprehensively. Every one will go home with no doubts left.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

Bhakths,
I did some research on my own and guess what ? its more pathetic than i thought earlier.
BCCI has been protecting this sorry team by not planning any tour of Substance after 2014 Australian tour ( am I smoking something here or is that true ?). Even during those meaningless tours we had a drawn BD tour !

In 2014-15 tour of Auss, we were defeated 2-0, hardly a decent match-up:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2014-15/engine/series/656517.html

Before that 2014 in England where we lost 3-1 :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/series/667693.html

Before that, 2014 in NZ, we lost 1-0 of 2. we barely survived the whitewash !:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/667637.html

Before that 2013 Dec. in SA where we lost 1-0 of 2 tests:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/648633.html

2012 Dec England in India won 2-1:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Thank god, we dont get to play against Pakistan. It would have been worse probably.

Bottomline BCCI has carefully planned to keep us in a bubble to keep all IPL pyjama generation Bhakths happy. But the fact is we cease to be a decent test team since the exit of Fab5.

Lets move on to next topic which is how to make Indian test great again and how make Ranking System meaningful !

 

[Drreddymd]

Bhakths,
I did some research on my own and guess what ? its more pathetic than i thought earlier.
BCCI has been protecting this sorry team by not planning any tour of Substance after 2014 Australian tour ( am I smoking something here or is that true ?). Even during those meaningless tours we had a drawn BD tour !

In 2014-15 tour of Auss, we were defeated 2-0, hardly a decent match-up:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2014-15/engine/series/656517.html

Before that 2014 in England where we lost 3-1 :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/series/667693.html

Before that, 2014 in NZ, we lost 1-0 of 2. we barely survived the whitewash !:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/667637.html

Before that 2013 Dec. in SA where we lost 1-0 of 2 tests:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/648633.html

2012 Dec England in India won 2-1:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Thank god, we dont get to play against Pakistan. It would have been worse probably.

Bottomline BCCI has carefully planned to keep us in a bubble to keep all IPL pyjama generation Bhakths happy. But the fact is we cease to be a decent test team since the exit of Fab5.

Lets move on to next topic which is how to make Indian test great again and how make Ranking System meaningful !

Please dont post rubbish. U said indian batsman fail miserably outside of india which is not the case.

Who said india won any series in eng, sa, nz, aus.

We competed well in nz, aus, sa and didn't lose much points in away tours but thrashed the same teams at home.

What has bhakts got to do with cricket?

R u a Congress, sickular, india hating *******?

Dont post u r rubbish if u cannot substantiate u r claims. We r also older generation and we have seen how well india plays against Pakistan.

Dont accuse others as bhakts or something because the retorts will not be good

 

[Drreddymd]

Bhakths,
I did some research on my own and guess what ? its more pathetic than i thought earlier.
BCCI has been protecting this sorry team by not planning any tour of Substance after 2014 Australian tour ( am I smoking something here or is that true ?). Even during those meaningless tours we had a drawn BD tour !

In 2014-15 tour of Auss, we were defeated 2-0, hardly a decent match-up:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2014-15/engine/series/656517.html

Before that 2014 in England where we lost 3-1 :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/series/667693.html

Before that, 2014 in NZ, we lost 1-0 of 2. we barely survived the whitewash !:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/667637.html

Before that 2013 Dec. in SA where we lost 1-0 of 2 tests:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/648633.html

2012 Dec England in India won 2-1:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Thank god, we dont get to play against Pakistan. It would have been worse probably.

Bottomline BCCI has carefully planned to keep us in a bubble to keep all IPL pyjama generation Bhakths happy. But the fact is we cease to be a decent test team since the exit of Fab5.

Lets move on to next topic which is how to make Indian test great again and how make Ranking System meaningful !

Yeah u have done great research isn't it? Dont behave like a tool calling others by names.

Yeah bcci carefully planned a nonstop away tour program where it didnt play tests for 2 yrs at home do that they van become number 1

Nobody is calling this indian team great isn't it?

Haha u r revealing u r true self by bringing Pakistan. Please dont post as an indian because u r not

 

[Drreddymd]

Bhakths,
I did some research on my own and guess what ? its more pathetic than i thought earlier.
BCCI has been protecting this sorry team by not planning any tour of Substance after 2014 Australian tour ( am I smoking something here or is that true ?). Even during those meaningless tours we had a drawn BD tour !

In 2014-15 tour of Auss, we were defeated 2-0, hardly a decent match-up:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2014-15/engine/series/656517.html

Before that 2014 in England where we lost 3-1 :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/series/667693.html

Before that, 2014 in NZ, we lost 1-0 of 2. we barely survived the whitewash !:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/667637.html

Before that 2013 Dec. in SA where we lost 1-0 of 2 tests:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/648633.html

2012 Dec England in India won 2-1:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Thank god, we dont get to play against Pakistan. It would have been worse probably.

Bottomline BCCI has carefully planned to keep us in a bubble to keep all IPL pyjama generation Bhakths happy. But the fact is we cease to be a decent test team since the exit of Fab5.

Lets move on to next topic which is how to make Indian test great again and how make Ranking System meaningful !

How many away tours india can play as they have played aus, nz, eng, sa at there home in 2013 and 2014?

U want indian team to only play away tours only?
The indian team with sachin, dravid, sehwag got whitewashed and not this indian team which fought hard in aus, nz, sa and first half of eng tour.

It failed abysmally in last 2 tests of eng tour?

So tell me who according to u is number 1? U r favourite pakistan? Sa, eng,?

 

[Sachin136]

Bhakths,
I did some research on my own and guess what ? its more pathetic than i thought earlier.
BCCI has been protecting this sorry team by not planning any tour of Substance after 2014 Australian tour ( am I smoking something here or is that true ?). Even during those meaningless tours we had a drawn BD tour !

In 2014-15 tour of Auss, we were defeated 2-0, hardly a decent match-up:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2014-15/engine/series/656517.html

Before that 2014 in England where we lost 3-1 :
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/series/667693.html

Before that, 2014 in NZ, we lost 1-0 of 2. we barely survived the whitewash !:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/667637.html

Before that 2013 Dec. in SA where we lost 1-0 of 2 tests:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/648633.html

2012 Dec England in India won 2-1:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/565796.html

Thank god, we dont get to play against Pakistan. It would have been worse probably.

Bottomline BCCI has carefully planned to keep us in a bubble to keep all IPL pyjama generation Bhakths happy. But the fact is we cease to be a decent test team since the exit of Fab5.

Lets move on to next topic which is how to make Indian test great again and how make Ranking System meaningful !

Barely survived the whitewash in New Zealand? We almost won the first test and New Zealand needed a brilliant innings from McCullum to draw the second match. Otherwise, they were out for 192 in the first innings, India scored 438 and then they were at 94/5 on the verge of defeat.

Keep your name calling to yourself. Despite calling us that, it is clear who actually watches matches and doesn't talk about things they have no idea about.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

Fellow Indian bros, Bhakth is some one who adulates or worships something unconditionally, even unreasonably and attacks some one who has a differing view point.

Here I meant Bhakths of FlatTrack Pyjama batsmen and our mediocre test team. Thats all. I sincerely apologize if that word hurt you. It was not my intention to personally attack any one.

My whole point is we don't deserve the #1 based on ridiculously flawed ranking system. And no I am not a congi, I am an eternal BJP voter but never a Bhakth !

 

[Sachin136]

Fellow Indian bros, Bhakth is some one who adulates or worships something unconditionally, even unreasonably and attacks some one who has a differing view point.

Here I meant Bhakths of FlatTrack Pyjama batsmen and our mediocre test team. Thats all. I sincerely apologize if that word hurt you. It was not my intention to personally attack any one.

My whole point is we don't deserve the #1 based on ridiculously flawed ranking system. And no I am not a congi, I am an eternal BJP voter but never a Bhakth !

No offence taken. But the ranking system is devised by statisticians much more knowledgeable than us, and is applied in the same way to everyone. If India was #1 before and after the home series, then that means India is less worse than other teams away and better than other teams at home.

 

[Drreddymd]

Fellow Indian bros, Bhakth is some one who adulates or worships something unconditionally, even unreasonably and attacks some one who has a differing view point.

Here I meant Bhakths of FlatTrack Pyjama batsmen and our mediocre test team. Thats all. I sincerely apologize if that word hurt you. It was not my intention to personally attack any one.

My whole point is we don't deserve the #1 based on ridiculously flawed ranking system. And no I am not a congi, I am an eternal BJP voter but never a Bhakth !

U r the one who started attacking others by calling them names.
If u dont agree then u can present u r arguments in a reasonable dignified manner but u started with name calling before u put u r point

 

[Drreddymd]

Fellow Indian bros, Bhakth is some one who adulates or worships something unconditionally, even unreasonably and attacks some one who has a differing view point.

Here I meant Bhakths of FlatTrack Pyjama batsmen and our mediocre test team. Thats all. I sincerely apologize if that word hurt you. It was not my intention to personally attack any one.

My whole point is we don't deserve the #1 based on ridiculously flawed ranking system. And no I am not a congi, I am an eternal BJP voter but never a Bhakth !

If u have spent sufficient time on pp u will know that we r not bhakhts but rational people who see the otherside of arguments and respond.

None of us proclaimed that this indian team is great.

U r the one who is telling us we r irrational and blinded before knowing nothing about us.

If this is the way u want to express u r self then good luck with it

 

[SunnyViRahul]

Please dont argue with logic to him. He says india doesn't deserve no 1 we bhakts has to agree otherwise he will call us chaddis and what not

Reddy, now you are loosing my respect post by post. Please dont think you can deter my valid arguments by putting your words in my mouth.
I gave you enough stats to prove my point while also agreeing with Sachin136 argument in that India team has been better among the worse.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

If u have spent sufficient time on pp u will know that we r not bhakhts but rational people who see the otherside of arguments and respond.

None of us proclaimed that this indian team is great.

U r the one who is telling us we r irrational and blinded before knowing nothing about us.

If this is the way u want to express u r self then good luck with it

Fair point. I respect that.

 

[Drreddymd]

Fellow Indian bros, Bhakth is some one who adulates or worships something unconditionally, even unreasonably and attacks some one who has a differing view point.

Here I meant Bhakths of FlatTrack Pyjama batsmen and our mediocre test team. Thats all. I sincerely apologize if that word hurt you. It was not my intention to personally attack any one.

My whole point is we don't deserve the #1 based on ridiculously flawed ranking system. And no I am not a congi, I am an eternal BJP voter but never a Bhakth !

What absurd logic is this? We r number 1 based on parameters the icc decided and it applies to every one.

Ok lets accept u r logic. Who according to u is real number one? Please elaborate on what basis u have come to that

 

[Drreddymd]

Reddy, now you are loosing my respect post by post. Please dont think you can deter my valid arguments by putting your words in my mouth.
I gave you enough stats to prove my point while also agreeing with Sachin136 argument in that India team has been better among the worse.

I have explained the same thing that by not losing badly away and thrashing the same teams at home we became number 1.

I have also given u details like Indian batsman r not afraid of pace bowling like u atrributed by posting facts but u r oblivious to that started shifting goal posts to suit u r arguments

 

[SunnyViRahul]

You guys have partially convinced me your view point in that India right fully earned # 1 by being better among the worse. I agree.

However have you thought how did it even become possible ? Revisit my stats list above. Don't you clearly see some strategic planning by BCCI ?
In last whole five years (even more than that) we toured Auss, England, NZ, SA just once each !! Is that a norm ?

 

[Drreddymd]

You guys have partially convinced me your view point in that India right fully earned # 1 by being better among the worse. I agree.

However have you thought how did it even become possible ? Revisit my stats list above. Don't you clearly see some strategic planning by BCCI ?
In last whole five years (even more than that) we toured Auss, England, NZ, SA just once each !! Is that a norm ?

That shows u r lack of basic knowledge in cricket. Every team tours other team every 4 yrs at their home.

So u want aus to play india at their home every year and let other teams no chance to tour aus. Their home season is usually a single series with other foreign team involved in tri series.

If u r a old generation bloke and dont know this then dont blame bcci for u r ignorance

 

[jagatk]

You guys have partially convinced me your view point in that India right fully earned # 1 by being better among the worse. I agree.

However have you thought how did it even become possible ? Revisit my stats list above. Don't you clearly see some strategic planning by BCCI ?
In last whole five years (even more than that) we toured Auss, England, NZ, SA just once each !! Is that a norm ?

You are talking complete BS dude, we toured England in 2011 in return they toured us 2012 after that we again toured them in
2014 and they toured us 2016, same with australia we toured them in 2012 they coming here in 2013, we again went there in 2014 and now they came for our home series in 2017. Same with SA and NZ, what stupid strategy are you on about. It is simple quid pro quo, we go there then they come here. Stop seeing conspiracies dude.

Also about rankings, it is simple logic, we have won every series played at home in last few years while making sure not to lose heavily in return tours. No other team has managed that, either they have not been all conquering at home or worse than us away, so quit moaning as your moaning changes nothing about our first position so suck it up and live with it.

 

[Drreddymd]

You are talking complete BS dude, we toured England in 2011 in return they toured us 2012 after that we again toured them in
2014 and they toured us 2016, same with australia we toured them in 2012 they coming here in 2013, we again went there in 2014 and now they came for our home series in 2017. Same with SA and NZ, what stupid strategy are you on about. It is simple quid pro quo, we go there then they come here. Stop seeing conspiracies dude.

Also about rankings, it is simple logic, we have won every series played at home in last few years while making sure not to lose heavily in return tours. No other team has managed that, either they have not been all conquering at home or worse than us away, so quit moaning as your moaning changes nothing about our first position so suck it up and live with it.

Haha very well said. I literally laughed so hard when he said bcci is afraid of playing pakistan and he said we have drawn test series in ban and avoided whitewash in nz tests without having an iota of information on said tours

 

[Drreddymd]

I will make it little simpler for that guy.

India toured eng in 2002,2007,2011,2014 and next tour is in 2018.

India toured aus in 2003,2007,2011,2014 and they will tour aus by the end of next year.

Everything is going according to plan but he sees bcci conspiracy when there is none

 

[SunnyViRahul]

You are talking complete BS dude, we toured England in 2011 in return they toured us 2012 after that we again toured them in
2014 and they toured us 2016, same with australia we toured them in 2012 they coming here in 2013, we again went there in 2014 and now they came for our home series in 2017. Same with SA and NZ, what stupid strategy are you on about. It is simple quid pro quo, we go there then they come here. Stop seeing conspiracies dude.

Also about rankings, it is simple logic, we have won every series played at home in last few years while making sure not to lose heavily in return tours. No other team has managed that, either they have not been all conquering at home or worse than us away, so quit moaning as your moaning changes nothing about our first position so suck it up and live with it.

ok. you just messed up your argument now. so its not once in a four year tour ? is it kind of random ? We toured England in 2011, again in 2013-14 where our FTBs were pasted 3-1 and then we haven't toured since then ? what on the earth going on ? none of you know your facts well. some one just said we tour every 4 years.
You can see it for yourself, its all matter of BCCI's convenience and what suits them the best. Moment you start loosing bad, just avoid touring there as much as you can.

 

[Drreddymd]

ok. you just messed up your argument now. so its not once in a four year tour ? is it kind of random ? We toured England in 2011, again in 2013-14 where our FTBs were pasted 3-1 and then we haven't toured since then ? what on the earth going on ? none of you know your facts well. some one just said we tour every 4 years.
You can see it for yourself, its all matter of BCCI's convenience and what suits them the best. Moment you start loosing bad, just avoid touring there as much as you can.

Haha haha. Use common sense man. How can ind play aus, eng, sa, nz everyother year because there r 8 remaining teams who also has to tour them.

A home season in eng lasts 2 series and in aus it is usually one. Only this year aus invited sa before pak which never happened before.

So now calculate how many yrs it takes for every team to tour

 

[Drreddymd]

ok. you just messed up your argument now. so its not once in a four year tour ? is it kind of random ? We toured England in 2011, again in 2013-14 where our FTBs were pasted 3-1 and then we haven't toured since then ? what on the earth going on ? none of you know your facts well. some one just said we tour every 4 years.
You can see it for yourself, its all matter of BCCI's convenience and what suits them the best. Moment you start loosing bad, just avoid touring there as much as you can.

Yeah. Like bcci are afraid to play against Pakistan they r also afraid to tour away isn't it?

For a rational person u have very simple understanding of how cricket tours works.

 

[RamLakhan]

I will make it little simpler for that guy.

India toured eng in 2002,2007,2011,2014 and next tour is in 2018.

India toured aus in 2003,2007,2011,2014 and they will tour aus by the end of next year.

Everything is going according to plan but he sees bcci conspiracy when there is none

Why would BCCI (or other boards) bother about wins & losses? They will organize the tours/series for revenues! Other boards will not send teams to India if we don't send there, fearing for losses! People will not stop watching cricket if their team loses (anywhere), further cricketers won't stop playing cricket for any stupid or even serious reason (If so West Indies & Pakistan Cricket would have dead by now!)

 

[jagatk]

ok. you just messed up your argument now. so its not once in a four year tour ? is it kind of random ? We toured England in 2011, again in 2013-14 where our FTBs were pasted 3-1 and then we haven't toured since then ? what on the earth going on ? none of you know your facts well. some one just said we tour every 4 years.
You can see it for yourself, its all matter of BCCI's convenience and what suits them the best. Moment you start loosing bad, just avoid touring there as much as you can.

it is not tour every 4 years, iirc it is 4 year cycle wherein a team must visit us and we must then tour there, the 4 year thing is max time period to complete the 2 series.

Now onto your other stupid proclamations, read what i just posted you idiot, it is not difficult to understand, since you are too stupid to understand i will try again, i will put it in as simple language as someone as dumb as you can understand, it is a cycle, we travel to england then they come here, then we go there again and it continues the same way, first was 2011 when travelled there with they coming here in 2012, same with 2013 and 2016, the next cycle starts in 2018 after which they will come here again.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

it is not tour every 4 years, iirc it is 4 year cycle wherein a team must visit us and we must then tour there, the 4 year thing is max time period to complete the 2 series.

Now onto your other stupid proclamations, read what i just posted you idiot, it is not difficult to understand, since you are too stupid to understand i will try again, i will put it in as simple language as someone as dumb as you can understand, it is a cycle, we travel to england then they come here, then we go there again and it continues the same way, first was 2011 when travelled there with they coming here in 2012, same with 2013 and 2016, the next cycle starts in 2018 after which they will come here again.

Take no offense please; You epitomize the generation who have no deeper understanding of cricket, and lack subtle ability to see more than what eyes meet. BCCI bubble has been custom created for the simple minds of your kind. I tried reasoning with some stats of substance. Alas you guys can't identify substance. Anyway with IPL impending bubble reaching its pinnacle.

 

[jagatk]

Take no offense please; You epitomize the generation who have no deeper understanding of cricket, and lack subtle ability to see more than what eyes meet. BCCI bubble has been custom created for the simple minds of your kind. I tried reasoning with some stats of substance. Alas you guys can't identify substance. Anyway with IPL impending bubble reaching its pinnacle.

So now you go on about something entirely different to change topic, you asked why we weren't touring other countries and playing at home and why are we no1, i and [MENTION=142737]Drreddymd[/MENTION] have answered you with actual facts about how scheduling is done and why we are ranked no 1, in return all you have done is moaned about bhakts and bubbles and gone on about absolute baseless bcci scheduling conspiracies which by the way you have not backed up with any facts. But right we are ones living in a bubble and simple minded.

By the way what is with new anti india trolls suddenly on PP, first the steve guy created the thread now we have this genius here, india winning must really be hurting people.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sachin136: please check how we attained that # 1 even before this home season. While you do that please post your findings here.

About pitches, I agree Dharmsala was a great sporting pitch and made for a great game of test cricket. I can take that kind of pitch any day.

But when you travel, in addition to the pitches assisting fast bowlers, there is an enormous requirement of strong stomach to face fast bowling day in and out. When we even half decently accomplish that, I will give it you. Till then #1 doesn't make sense.

You are right. Winning home matches and series doesn't mean anything these days. The only thing that matters is how you compete away from home and in non SC conditions.

Whenever we win home series we get overconfident and think we are going to blow away the oppositions like aus, sa, nz or eng when we tour them next. But as soon as we land there it all becomes a learning process and not adjusting well to the conditions. Atleast this has been the pattern for the past couple of years. Spinners will become useless and fast bowlers alone can't take 20 wickets there. Even in the series against australia overconfident fans and ex players thought we will run over them but australia surprised us with the way they performed.

 

[zulfiqar]

There's actually another factor that people don't consider... sometimes we whine about pitches but the truth is, even if you disregard pitch preparation, it is harder to beat opposition in their own backyard. Things like, travel fatigue, home sickness, length of stay, crowd, media, weather, unfamiliarity with locale all play a huge role. In other sports, teams often have superior home records even when travelling nationally. In cricket, all these factors are exaggeratedly higher, mainly because tours last for a month+ at times, versus in NBA for example when a team will seldom stay more than a night in an opposing team city.

Of course, the pitch preparation makes it that much harder. Just some food for thought.

 

[zulfiqar]

Pakistan doing well in England this last time around also had to do with our preparation. If you go to a country and acclimatize to their conditions (not the pitch, I mean everything else that I mentioned), you're bound to do better! Our prep for NZ / AUS tours was less than ideal, and scheduling was very tough for Pakistan as well and fatigue played a huge role. A lot of times we excuse all these as saying "they are professionals so they have to be prepared" but these are all factors management has to look into before scheduling/prep.

 

[zulfiqar]

Sorry for the triple post here, but one last point is that.. it's easier to play back-to-back tours at home, where you can rest with family/friends, stay in one set of conditions (that too, the ones you've been familiar with your whole life). Compare that to touring England for 2 months, then going to UAE, then going away to NZ without any prep (tour games washed out to rain), and then immediately heading to Australia. We set ourselves up for disaster from the start (and these are not things that came to light after the fact, many posters DID post about this before our NZ tour started).

The UAE series basically counts as an "away" series in the regards that I'm referring to. It's still away from Pakistan, family/friends, and most of our players most likely don't have actual "homes" in Dubai. Though the pitches are prepared in our favor, many of the other factors I mentioned in the 1st of my triple post come into play here (home sickness / foreign locale / travel fatigue). Four back-to-back series away from home is tough on anyone. I can just imagine Golden State Warriors on the road for literally 6 months without coming back to the Bay... even we would start getting thrashed!

The gist of all this is that most teams will struggle away from home, despite the pitch. As long as pitches are competitive and produce results in 4~5 days I would consider the pitch fine. Very few teams in history have played well away from home, and certainly the hallmark of a great cricket should not be limited to someone who plays well in Aus/Eng

 

[Citizen4]

The Steyn Gun Will Soon Be Back, Good news for Proteas and Horrible news for Indians who will tour SA later this year. Steyn wil run through the Indian line up on a green mamba

http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/th...the-verge-of-international-return-273593.html

 

[jeetu]

I welcome green pitches , it will be great test for Indian team. If Indian team succeed on these pitches then it will be a true great team.

 

[SunnyViRahul]

I welcome green pitches , it will be great test for Indian team. If Indian team succeed on these pitches then it will be a true great team.

It will be repeated cycles of history. We loose badly or very badly, loose ranking, come back home, play a plethora of minnow and home serieses, get back to # 1 ! As some one pointed out prep time in visiting country is also very important. All that said, our players must have guts of steel to withstand 5 days of pace attack which we lack now with the generation of IPL Bradmans like Kohlees and Rohit Sharmas although Koli has shown of genuine brilliance time and again.