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Handover the captaincy to Salman Butt after the WT20 2016

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I think Salman Butt should take over from Afridi in T20Is after the WC. His previous captaincy stint was incomplete, and where he did show some glimpses of a thinking man who understood the game well.

I know he hasn't played any domestic T20 games, but still he clicked in the List A games, and his T20 record is decent, also he has many shots in his book as he is not a one sided hack, so he will click.

As far as the ODIs are concerned, if Azhar's failures continue as a captain then Butt should take over from him as well.

In Tests, post Misbah, he should be the automatic choice.

He can play for at least next 5 years, which will cover the upcoming two World Cups.


P.S: Moral brigade should stay away as he has been punished already.
 
More than his batting, Butt's captaincy was Pakistan's biggest loss. It's rare to find thinking cricketers let alone thinking captains in Pakistan, Butt was a rarity in that regard.

However this proposal is ridiculous and out of the question now.
 
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ChachaCricket said:
More than his batting, Butt's captaincy was Pakistan's biggest loss. It's rare to find thinking cricketers let alone thinking captains in Pakistan, Butt was a rarity in that regard.

However this proposal is ridiculous and out of the question now.
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It's not ridiculous. It can be considered. You can't rule it out completely.
 
His potential as skipper was there, but he's lost that opportunity for life.
 
Butt is too slow as an opener for T20 anyway!

Pak team mentally not ready to play under him either.
 
Sells out country as captain and yet he should return? We Pakistani fans are very desperate aren't we?


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The Last Of The Stars said:
He should retire after this WC.
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He could be the best non-playing captain for Pak's t20 side. Sialkot's success for t20 tourney proves it. Him or Sarfaraz best options for LOI captain.

Butt is not becoming pak's captain again, if he does, then I have literally seen EVERYTHING!
 
Butt should be brought back asap but only as a player and I don't think he will EVER become the captain.
 
cricketworm said:
He could be the best non-playing captain for Pak's t20 side. Sialkot's success for t20 tourney proves it. Him or Sarfaraz best options for LOI captain.

Butt is not becoming pak's captain again, if he does, then I have literally seen EVERYTHING!
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Wake up. He couldn't even handle his Karachi team, and you are suggesting him to take over the international captaincy. No way. He's past it now.
 
Mohammad Asif as vice captain. Asif, Butt and Amir will never captain Pakistan national team
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Wake up. He couldn't even handle his Karachi team, and you are suggesting him to take over the international captaincy. No way. He's past it now.
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Yeh we saw great performance of PSL stars in Asia cup! You have lots of years of good captaincy record and you are holding tourny like PSL (1 season) against him? I am awake buddy!
 
Let's appoint a bank robber as a security guard because before the robbery, his record was clean.
 
Disregarding the whole 'sell-out' stuff, at least first let him play a few T20s so we can see how he performs.
 
I can read it a million times but won't change the fact he is sell out and he had no remorse nor was he sorry about his actions.


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No matter what his captaincy talent was, bringing back Amir was controversial enough. This would bring the wrath of the international community.
 
Salman Butt was a good captain, he was set to lead the team in all formats for a long time but threw it away.

It is pretty obvious that Sarfraz will replace Afridi as captain, which of course is not an ideal situation by any means.

However, he is likely to return as a player after the retirement of Afridi. It seems as if that's the only thing holding him back.
 
A guy has played a handful of poxy one day games missing the top twenty odd players in the country because of senior and pakA tours, has been away for five years and now he's captaincy material? Surely even an entirely vacant cranium would sense some kind of unease at typing this total utter unmitigated rubbish?

And that's not even considering the fact that he is a convicted criminal.
 
godzilla said:
A guy has played a handful of poxy one day games missing the top twenty odd players in the country because of senior and pakA tours, has been away for five years and now he's captaincy material? Surely even an entirely vacant cranium would sense some kind of unease at typing this total utter unmitigated rubbish?

And that's not even considering the fact that he is a convicted criminal.
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A vacant cranium can't sense anything. So it's a suggestion, not rubbish.
 
Unbelievable thread. Some fans are devoid of common sense but more importantly, any SHAME.

Butt has no place on a cricket field.
 
What captaincy potential are you guys on about ? Did you watch the 2010 England tour ?

In case peoples' memories need refreshing, he was the guy who thanks to his pathetically defensive fields in the deciding Lords Test allowed England to recover from 102-7 to 446 all out. He also batted first at Edgbaston on a greentop when everyone knew our inexperienced batting lineup would get demolished which it did.

And that's not to mention his role in spot fixing which disqualifies him of any captaincy role. A lazy attempt at trolling here.
 
Hahahah. People want a convicted fixer back as Pakistan captain.. it's really funny to see such people on PakPassion.
 
What a disgracefull thread, a idiot who sells his country whilst representing it and your talking about him leading again
 
The whole world will laugh at us if that happens.

How can you be sure he won't sell his country AGAIN btw ?
 
Pointless thread. He will never become the captain for our team given how much of a disgrace he is.
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
It's not ridiculous. It can be considered. You can't rule it out completely.
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how is it not ridiculous to "hand over the captaincy" to someone who hasn't played international cricket in over 5 years

its beyond ridiculous, and I'm not even taking the spot fixing thing into consideration
 
As much as I'm in favor of playing both Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif, I would never want the former to captain Pakistan. He does have a better IQ than Afridis because of education and good schooling. But he has a tainted past as a captain. Sarfraz is most deriving candidate for captaincy and any other younger player could be the VC. Salman should play as an opener only.
 
Those asking for this loser to return and right away as captain are the same i.e. losers!

Of all the three his crime was the biggest, he knowingly indulged in the crime of fixing, while being leader of the team, being from a well educated and well to do back ground, and also coerced/pressured the other two in to getting involved in hanky panky!

If it was for me, he would never ever play domestic cricket again, forget about Int'l cricket
 
Monsee said:
Those asking for this loser to return and right away as captain are the same i.e. losers!

Of all the three his crime was the biggest, he knowingly indulged in the crime of fixing, while being leader of the team, being from a well educated and well to do back ground, and also coerced/pressured the other two in to getting involved in hanky panky!

If it was for me, he would never ever play domestic cricket again, forget about Int'l cricket
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For me his biggest crime was the way he continued to claim his innocence, shout conspiracy and make comments against his team mates while working as a pundit on tv channels.
 
Markhor said:
What captaincy potential are you guys on about ? Did you watch the 2010 England tour ?

In case peoples' memories need refreshing, he was the guy who thanks to his pathetically defensive fields in the deciding Lords Test allowed England to recover from 102-7 to 446 all out. He also batted first at Edgbaston on a greentop when everyone knew our inexperienced batting lineup would get demolished which it did.

And that's not to mention his role in spot fixing which disqualifies him of any captaincy role. A lazy attempt at trolling here.
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In retrospect those fields are quite suspect
 
To be fair akram captained many times post qayyum report. This country has a history of bringing back convicts.why stop at butt considering he has served his punishment. Same measuring stick we've used for amir
 
JilaWatan said:
To be fair akram captained many times post qayyum report. This country has a history of bringing back convicts.why stop at butt considering he has served his punishment. Same measuring stick we've used for amir
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At least with Amir you can argue he was a young, naive teenager misled by senior figures he would naturally respect - his Captain and the senior bowler in Asif.

Someone who was already a Captain and presumably dragged Amir into it should be lucky to even be allowed to play again, let alone be trusted with a position of responsibility.
 
Why not.

When Sharifs and Zardaris can rule the country, and Zia can be a hero in OP's eyes, surely the credibility of Salman Butt must be of martyr right?

Thanks a lot OP for your extremely biased insights.
 
Convict said:
At least with Amir you can argue he was a young, naive teenager misled by senior figures he would naturally respect - his Captain and the senior bowler in Asif.

Someone who was already a Captain and presumably dragged Amir into it should be lucky to even be allowed to play again, let alone be trusted with a position of responsibility.
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We claim that butt was this well educated thinking smart player/captain. Then why would he commit such a blatant crime. For someone who is intelligent, he didn't show that much smarts. Plus we don't even k oe butts full story. His back story, why did he decide to do such a thing. And it just so happens to be right after he becomes captain. That's fishy enough. Whose to say butt wasn't coherst. Are we to believe that butt was just waiting to be named captain and then he can make extra cash on the side...no I don't believe for a second. We don't know what happened behind doors with butt. We just heard the story from amir. Now I do believe Amir was part guilty and part innocent. But to believe amirs story we HAVE to make butt the biggest criminal. And that is not right. Crimes aside, we just can't keep up with these double standards.
 
JilaWatan said:
We claim that butt was this well educated thinking smart player/captain. Then why would he commit such a blatant crime. For someone who is intelligent, he didn't show that much smarts. Plus we don't even k oe butts full story. His back story, why did he decide to do such a thing. And it just so happens to be right after he becomes captain. That's fishy enough. Whose to say butt wasn't coherst. Are we to believe that butt was just waiting to be named captain and then he can make extra cash on the side...no I don't believe for a second. We don't know what happened behind doors with butt. We just heard the story from amir. Now I do believe Amir was part guilty and part innocent. But to believe amirs story we HAVE to make butt the biggest criminal. And that is not right. Crimes aside, we just can't keep up with these double standards.
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There is no double standard

A Captain has a higher responsibility and a higher standard than other players.

Why do you think Shane Warne wasn't allowed to Captain Australia?
 
Convict said:
There is no double standard

A Captain has a higher responsibility and a higher standard than other players.

Why do you think Shane Warne wasn't allowed to Captain Australia?
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You missed the point I made in the previous post. We've had corrupt captains before. Why stop now. Suddenly we have morals
 
yes he thinks so much that he found a way to sell his country and now deserves to captain Pakistan wow
jaise hukumraan waisi awaam
 
JilaWatan said:
We claim that butt was this well educated thinking smart player/captain. Then why would he commit such a blatant crime. For someone who is intelligent, he didn't show that much smarts. Plus we don't even k oe butts full story. His back story, why did he decide to do such a thing. And it just so happens to be right after he becomes captain. That's fishy enough. Whose to say butt wasn't coherst. Are we to believe that butt was just waiting to be named captain and then he can make extra cash on the side...no I don't believe for a second. We don't know what happened behind doors with butt. We just heard the story from amir. Now I do believe Amir was part guilty and part innocent. But to believe amirs story we HAVE to make butt the biggest criminal. And that is not right. Crimes aside, we just can't keep up with these double standards.
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The trio got caught during the Lord's game. That doesn't mean it was their first attempt at fixing. For all we know, they've been doing it for a while and everyone conveniently ignores that. Amir was a juvenile and hence could be given a benefit of doubt. He was not innocent though. Butt on the other hand was Suave and intelligent. There is no excuse for what he did. He never confessed until the end and that itself shows the character of the man. Some people now want to see him as Captain. What a shame!
 
JilaWatan said:
You missed the point I made in the previous post. We've had corrupt captains before. Why stop now. Suddenly we have morals
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Why not change now? Having corrupt Captains in the past doesn't mean you should support having corrupt Captains today.

Also - Butt's actually spent time in gaol for fixing.
 
There is so much animosity agaisnt butt, which is understandable but then why even let him play. Isn't he tarnishing our right now by even playing domestic cuz we allowed a convict to return. He has as much a chance to be in the playing 11 as being a captain. It's like you're saying you're OK with a convict opeing the batting for you. But you don't want him to lead you IF one day he shows that's hes capable again. Ironic cuz he's an opener whose gonna be leading the linenup regardless.
 
JilaWatan said:
There is so much animosity agaisnt butt, which is understandable but then why even let him play. Isn't he tarnishing our right now by even playing domestic cuz we allowed a convict to return. He has as much a chance to be in the playing 11 as being a captain. It's like you're saying you're OK with a convict opeing the batting for you. But you don't want him to lead you IF one day he shows that's hes capable again. Ironic cuz he's an opener whose gonna be leading the linenup regardless.
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Captaincy and even playing again are not equivalent positions.
 
JilaWatan said:
But why not. He's gonna be representing our country regardless.
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To give Butt the Captaincy would basically be the PCB saying to the world that it is an organisation with no sense of responsibility, dignity or self respect
 
coy0607 said:
how is it not ridiculous to "hand over the captaincy" to someone who hasn't played international cricket in over 5 years

its beyond ridiculous, and I'm not even taking the spot fixing thing into consideration
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I am just suggesting it on the basis of his previous incomplete stint and that he was a captaincy material. He will still possess that brain. There will be many positive modifications for sure.
 
I am going to stop following Pakistan matches or atleast hope they don't win even against associates like HK, Oman etc.

Chief fixer at the helm of the side
 
Markhor said:
What captaincy potential are you guys on about ? Did you watch the 2010 England tour ?

In case peoples' memories need refreshing, he was the guy who thanks to his pathetically defensive fields in the deciding Lords Test allowed England to recover from 102-7 to 446 all out. He also batted first at Edgbaston on a greentop when everyone knew our inexperienced batting lineup would get demolished which it did.

And that's not to mention his role in spot fixing which disqualifies him of any captaincy role. A lazy attempt at trolling here.
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I still remember it was a cloudy weather in a Test against Australia, and he brought the medium pacer Umar Amin into the attack out of no where and got North out. This is a glimpse that he understood the game well. Well it was a short stint so that's why I called it incomplete.

Don't assume things.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Why not.

When Sharifs and Zardaris can rule the country, and Zia can be a hero in OP's eyes, surely the credibility of Salman Butt must be of martyr right?

Thanks a lot OP for your extremely biased insights.
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The difference is that Salman Butt got punished. There should be a second chance for any punished person. You are also being biased.
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Read the last line in the OP.
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Captaincy is a position of honour and respect and someone you can trust to represent your Cricket Board as the National Captain.

it's a position of major responsibility.

And you trust a convicted criminal who disregarded his responsibilities last time?
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
The difference is that Salman Butt got punished. There should be a second chance for any punished person. You are also being biased.
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Let's say you trusted someone with your savings.

And then they stole your money.

After they got punished would you then let them manage your savings again?
 
Convict said:
At least with Amir you can argue he was a young, naive teenager misled by senior figures he would naturally respect - his Captain and the senior bowler in Asif.

Someone who was already a Captain and presumably dragged Amir into it should be lucky to even be allowed to play again, let alone be trusted with a position of responsibility.
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He could have been punished for lifetime in the first place, but now that his punishment ended after 5 years, he should be allowed back.
 
Convict said:
Captaincy is a position of honour and respect and someone you can trust to represent your Cricket Board as the National Captain.

it's a position of major responsibility.

And you trust a convicted criminal who disregarded his responsibilities last time?
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I know but now that a person has been punished, he should be accepted back in the society. No need to degrade him anymore. I believe in a second chance after punishments.
 
If he out class other batsmen in QEA, then he deserves a place in national squad (Though i don't want to see him again, but i am not above laws)

But captaincy will be ???? So better groom some other player for this role.
 
why dont we cut the crap and appoint zardari our captain and altaf coach with noora as mallsiya.


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#GreenRoars said:
If he out class other batsmen in QEA, then he deserves a place in national squad (Though i don't want to see him again, but i am not above laws)

But captaincy will be ???? So better groom some other player for this role.
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I don't see any captaincy material currently.
 
Square Drive said:
I'll stop watching cricket if that happens.
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I am thinking the same!! I will stop following pakistan cricket from the day he get selected to play for pakistan again!!! The guy not only cheated with his nation but also tried to make fool all for years!!! How can one say so many lies so confidently in front of media so long!!!! He only confessed when he find there is no way!!!
 
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Ludicrous proposition tbh Salman Butt and captaincy again should never even be thought about never mind argued for

He lost that right once and for all 5 yrs back
 
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