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The next T20 WC is in India and as we know our middle order is non existent

What's scary is the thought of Haider, Asif, Nawaz and Faheem being our middle order on Indian pitches.

For me Shoaib Malik and Haris Sohail are a must in the middle order for Indian pitches. Superior batsmen and better players of spin too.

I would replace Nawaz for Imad too. Don't think Nawaz belongs in the team unless he is in as a spinner. His batting is simply not good enough for the lower order.
 
I can’t see the logic of playing Haris in T20s. Could see it if it was a 50 over World Cup.

I’d like to see Iftikhar play in place of Asif. Iftikhar plays spin well also which should make him a good candidate for the World Cup in India
 
Both of tham have thier SR issues more often than not the top 3 will give us a solid start

I don't think these two guys can up the RR

Also Imad comes in but Nawaz is decent bowler

I'll replace Qadir for Nawaz tbh...

Qadir is run making machine- when he is bowling that it
 
Haris is not a t20 player hence doesn't even get picked in PSL though perfect No 4 for Odis.
 
Haris?!?!

Hopefully that was a joke because he is nowhere near good enough for T20's!
 
Both of tham have thier SR issues more often than not the top 3 will give us a solid start

I don't think these two guys can up the RR

Also Imad comes in but Nawaz is decent bowler

I'll replace Qadir for Nawaz tbh...

Qadir is run making machine- when he is bowling that it

Qadir i reckon can be a threat in India, I don't know if it's possible but since both Imran Tahir and him have learned from Abdul Qadir, would it be a good investment for PCB to make an investment that Usman learns from him i.e. call it learning & development.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't mind having Sarfaraz in at 6. Only problem is Rizwan is a better keeper, but he's also a better outfielder than Sarfaraz, and I'd definitely want both in. If Hafeez bowls in the WC (I definitely hold to the conspiracy theory that Hafeez's bowling is being stopped until the world cup, so if he gets tested, it will be after the world cup), Sarfaraz will be a great addition due to his playing of spin.

I understand this may be an unpopular opinion, happy to be proven wrong.
 
The next T20 WC is in India and as we know our middle order is non existent

What's scary is the thought of Haider, Asif, Nawaz and Faheem being our middle order on Indian pitches.

For me Shoaib Malik and Haris Sohail are a must in the middle order for Indian pitches. Superior batsmen and better players of spin too.

I would replace Nawaz for Imad too. Don't think Nawaz belongs in the team unless he is in as a spinner. His batting is simply not good enough for the lower order.

Malik is too slow in my opinion, only good for chasing those low to medium totals against average teams but other than that he's pretty average.
 
Asif Ali has a better chance playing T20 than Malik. I don’t see Malik playing international cricket ever again, not with the current management.

It’s a shame that +40 years old are being mentioned to stabilise a middle order. PSL should have provided some more option but zilch.
 
Haris is badly out of form and too frail, unlikely to be fit for the tourneys. Shoaib could work on the Indian flat track pitches but its a risky move with uncle Hafeez in there as well.
 
Harry doesn’t even get into any PSL team. He is underrated in t20’s , still not convinced with Rizwan as opener especially is Babar is to open with him.

Malik in India along with Hafeez could be alright. In fact we won’t be able to Imad needs to return to this side as batsmen alone .

Amir still gets into the squad. With corona around it’s going to be 23 man squad where you have ample of space for all. As long as you don’t take Kami along with you too.
 
I hate to admit it. But yes

Shoaib Malik over any other pretender at no.5. Sorry boys, none of these guys (Iftikhar, Khushdil, Asif, Haider, Danish) offer anything to the side. Very disappointing to see no one wanting to step up and cement their spot with Hafeez and Malik on their way out!
 
Another way to address is shuffling

Sharjeel
Babar
Fakhar
Rizwan
Hafeez
Haider/Imad
Faheem
Nawaz
Hassan
Rauf
Shaheen

Rizwan actually finishes games and plays MO in Test/FC.
 
I hate to admit it. But yes

Shoaib Malik over any other pretender at no.5. Sorry boys, none of these guys (Iftikhar, Khushdil, Asif, Haider, Danish) offer anything to the side. Very disappointing to see no one wanting to step up and cement their spot with Hafeez and Malik on their way out!

One has to be patient with new players and back them before they come good. Otherwise you’re going to be in musical chairs forever.
Unfortunately, most new players do take their time to find their feet at this level, while some start with a bang.

Since April 2016 India have tried 15 players in the middle order. India for all their talent was also struggling to find battling talent in their MO who could replace Dhoni and Yuvraj, and only recently found Pandya and Pant who are beginning to step up (after some ok performances).
You cannot keep bringing back Malik and Hafeez. You have to be patient and keep trying and keep backing new talent, developing them and giving them opportunities to prove themselves at this level. It’s no easy.
Hafeez and Shoib batting was pathetic for first 50-100 games. They’ve been mostly mediocre throughout their career in clutch games vs top teams and they’ve failed in the 8-10 ICC trophies they’ve played already.
Don’t forget that you found Rizwan when you dropped Sarfaraz. Rizwan took time to get going and he has been DEVELOPED!
MA had to drop Shahzad middle of the ICC trophy 2018 when we found Fakhar. You need to keep giving chances until one sticks and then you back them and develop them.
Also Pak has developed decent top order so this means talent is there
 
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Yeah, why not, replace failed batsmen with other failed batsmen, like we are not allowed to try anyone new.

Particularly Sohail, can't bat, can't run.
 
Another way to address is shuffling

Sharjeel
Babar
Fakhar
Rizwan
Hafeez
Haider/Imad
Faheem
Nawaz
Hassan
Rauf
Shaheen

Rizwan actually finishes games and plays MO in Test/FC.

Rizwan and Babar are the openers forever now.
 
Malik in India: Yes
Malik in Aus: Never

Haris: Not in t20, a definite yes in ODIs

Malik still remains our best player of spin especially the mystery spinners. Can accelerate well and doesn't take that long to get going. Can provide an over or two as well. Plus definitely a better fielder than Asif, Khushdil, Iftikhar and Sharjeel.

Imad should walk into the side for no.6. Shadab's selection should solely depend on his bowling form. If he is bowling well, then he should come in otherwise he should be out.

Babar
Rizwan
Fakhar
Hafeez
Malik
Imad
Shadab/Nawaz/Haider
Fahim
Hasan
Shaheen
Haris/Hasnain or a lead spinner.

3 seamers are enough for India but shouldn't be looking to play less than 3. Hassan and Shaheen are locks I guess.
 
The lobbying for Shoaib Malik has started. Won’t be surprised if the media picks up on this middle-order failure to push the Malik agenda in the very near future.

Both are terrible T20 batsmen for the spots available in the national team.
 
Yeah, why not, replace failed batsmen with other failed batsmen, like we are not allowed to try anyone new.

Particularly Sohail, can't bat, can't run.

Sohail can't bat? What planet have I been living on where Haris is easily our 2nd best specialist batsmen when fit.

Even half fit he is better than Haider and Asif.
 
So all the posters who disagree would prefer Asif Ali and Haider instead?
Failures of Asif and Haider doesn’t mean you end up selecting mediocre tried and tested failures. Malik and Haris will never succeed at the positions vacant in the national team, the returns will be more or less the same.

Haider will come good eventually, while Asif needs to be permanently discarded. We could try Maqsood at Asif’s spot.
 
Considering lack of quality power hitting options team can go for a stable middle order batsman at no 5 but, even with the lack of options for power hitting atleast one batsmen who on his day (Whenever that comes) can provide more impetus in the later half of the innings than some stable options should be there at 6 in my opinion.

So considering the current form of players and scenario, yes someone who can play at a decent enough strike rate but can score consistently and can adapt as per situation can come in at no 5. At no 6 though, there should be one from the current lot of power hitters we have.
 

Haris is not a tried and tested failure. He walks into this team if fit.

Secondly we are talking about Malik simply because the next WC is in India and he plays spin better than anyone currently in Pakistan even to this day.

Haider and Asif are clueless against pace and spin.
 
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Haris is not a tried and tested failure. He walks into this team if fit.

Secondly we are talking about Malik simply because the next WC is in India and he plays spin better than anyone currently in Pakistan even to this day.

Haider and Asif are clueless against pace and spin.

You can talk about Malik, but Sohail is out of question , not even a PSL team would pick him.
 
Haris Sohail SR in T20 - 109.5 in 87 innings. Lol.

I'd still persist with Haider because he is young and with huge potential. Malik is a tried and tested and mediocre at this point. I get that people love short-term thinking and throwing every 40 year old in the squad as much as possible to win bi-lateral series but the thinking should be long-term.

Haider Ali has had some decent starts but he keeps getting out a little early and a lot of those wickets are trying to hit a big shot and getting out. It's not like he keeps getting beat by bowlers and getting bowled out or LBW. The shot selection needs to worked on and it's doable.
 
Dont see the logic of having either of them in the t20I squad. You could argue a case for haris but Malik has zero utility.
 
This is what happens when you play full strength teams even against third string sides. This was the perfect opportunity to test out a few youngsta beauties and plug the gaping holes in the XI but instead Babar and Rizwan got to score a gazillion free runs for fun against Magala, Lizard and co....

Same mistake that India did before the 2019 world cup and eventually ended up with a MO of DK, Jadhav, Shankar and Dhoni... :91:
 
No because Shadab and Imad would strengthen the batting considerably plus both their bowling will be useful in India.

This would be my 11,

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab
Faheem
Nawaz
Hasan Ali
SSA

Fakhar and Rizwan can be swapped in the the order depending on situation and form.


If the wicket looks like it has some moisture and/or May suit pace then replace Nawaz with Butt or another pacer.
 
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No because Shadab and Imad would strengthen the batting considerably plus both their bowling will be useful in India.

This would be my 11,

Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab
Faheem
Nawaz
Hasan Ali
SSA

Fakhar and Rizwan can be swapped in the the order depending on situation and form.


If the wicket looks like it has some moisture and/or May suit pace then replace Nawaz with Butt or another pacer.

Really like it
 
Would rather have Sharjeel and Imad back in the playing 11.
We can always play sharjeel at number 4 and imad in position of asif. Shadab can come back to replace nawaz. This will make our team much more stronger.

Haris and Malik serve no utility and are absolutely useless.
 
Haha, this is why Pakistani players never need to retire.

Malik has been incubating since 1999. About time he won something or is shown the door.
 
To be fair, Malik (in India) is better than anyone that has replaced him so far.

Something about those conditions makes him elevate his game.
 
Haris would have to bat at 5 in T20s which is too low for him. Don’t see him as a option in T20s. Malik has the experience and does play spin well. We know Babar likes having experience around him. Would not rule out Malik making a return.
 
I stopped reading after Haris Sohail was in the title.

The guy has a SR of 109 in T20s, is he our next finisher?

Malik is a more reasonable guess, and I can see it happening now that the middle order has failed in 7 consecutive games.

Sohaib Maqsood is also a good option.
 
There is no better option than Iffti Chacha and Azam Khan to fight for the place of Asif Ali

top 4 are pretty much locked in ... Haider Ali deserve more chances and he will come good.. they guy is just playing outside his space at the min

Iffti Chacha is actually not that bad an option although i would never forgive him for shelfing that game against Zimbabwe in super over but he is still good ... plus he is a very canny+khochal right arm offie

Imad is must too

a middle/lower order of

Haider
Iffti Chacha/ Azam Khan
Fahim
Imad
Hassan Ali

that's pretty decent
 
Both are not suited to T20s (Malik shouldn't be anywhere near international cricket). Its because of this mindset that we are languishing behind top teams.

We need power hitters.
 
Both are not suited to T20s (Malik shouldn't be anywhere near international cricket). Its because of this mindset that we are languishing behind top teams.

We need power hitters.

Thank you!
Allah maaf keray Malik bas been playing for 20 years so many World Cup failures. He plays spin well but he’s a bottler of the largest magnitude. Will show potential during bilateral and go missing when pressure is on vs big team as has beeen the case since 7-8 world cups he’s played.
I’d rather take Haider to the WC even he’s failing, he might come good and be prepared for next WC
 
Daft question, but wouldn’t the series against the mighty Zimbabweans be an ideal opportunity to try different batsmen?

Strange, most of the names being mentioned here are not in the squad.
 
Because of Asia condition we have need experience in lower order - haider is total flop and asif is zero batsman
 
Both are not suited to T20s (Malik shouldn't be anywhere near international cricket). Its because of this mindset that we are languishing behind top teams.

We need power hitters.

Malik is probably the most successful t20 player of all time.

Power hitters? Who? There aren't any in Pakistan.
 
Both are not suited to T20s (Malik shouldn't be anywhere near international cricket). Its because of this mindset that we are languishing behind top teams.

We need power hitters.

Yes power hitters who score 10 off 5. Haider Ali and Asif Ali are useless. They only put more pressure on the top order.
 
Malik is probably the most successful t20 player of all time.

Power hitters? Who? There aren't any in Pakistan.

Sorry he’s not. On what basis? 10k runs at 2nd and 3rd grade leagues.
Malik is way past it. Pakistan must develop future players and show patience instead of going back to TTFs
 
It is amazing how jokes like Haider and Asif are preferred over Haris in ODIs. This has to be a joke of century. Haris has time and time proved how good he is as a batsman especially after his knocks in the world cup but for some reason he is always sidelined. I guess he has to get into some lobbies as well otherwise nothing playere like Asif will always get into the team ahead of him.
 
We need somebody in T20s who is reliable at 5 & 6. Unfortunately neither Haider or Asif fit the bill.

The World T20 is round the corner and I hate to admit but one of Shoaib or Haris is needed in the middle order to bring same sanity.

Another option is to try Sharjeel at number 5, but that just sounds very risky.
 
Malik, yes.

Haris not so much. He has never been a good T20 player. In ODIs he should be back but not in T20s.
 
The tactic was with the selectors which I agree with was one of Hafeez or Malik in the T20 side. After all T20 is a young man's game and having two 40 year old's in your middle order would be somewhat embarrassing. Hafeez is having an Indian summer regarding his T20 form so deservedly kept his spot.

But now our middle order has been so woeful, does Malik get his spot on the plane to India? The fact it is going to be played in India and Malik plays spin pretty well, I think it is inevitable that Malik will get a recall. Not ideal by any means, but blame goes to those who had their chances to replace him but failed miserably.

Haris does not have the fitness for T20's but should be back in our test and One Day team.
 
Truth is Malik doesn't play anything well anymore.

He's been failing for a few years now.

I would rather Haider Ali was in the side than Malik
 
Malik is probably the most successful t20 player of all time.

Power hitters? Who? There aren't any in Pakistan.

Agree, our fans are quite delusional when they say we should look at the current youth with patience. I'm sorry but Asif and Haider are leg-side hacks, maybe not Haider seeing as he can't clear anything pitched on leg stump.

The point is that our resources are awful at the moment. If this SAF series has taught us anything, it's that our middle order prevents us from being a proper unit in the format.

Malik is now a must, but before we bring him back, I want the last potentially good batsman to be tried who is Sohaib Maqsood. If Maqsood fires, we would just need a cushion behind him, which would be easy to find given that most of our team is mentally soft.
 
No.

Pakistan's home t20I series against South Africa wasn't good as it exposed our middle/late order batting depth. Asif, Ifti, Khushdil and Talat failed. In the ODI's in South Africa against the very opposition Pakistan tried Danish Aziz at No.5 and failed.

Due to this Shoaib Malik's name was obviously going to be mentioned due to his ability against spin with his record in India. BUT..... he is 38 and he may be better than the names I mentioned but going back to Malik is not a good decision. He plays one game, performs and we have him for the next T20WC. So no.

Haris Sohail isn't a T20 and right now he's not good enough to come in at No.5 where a batsman will need to come in and likely score at 120+ SR. Haris isn't this and his game isn't suited to T20 so again no.

As for offering alternatives, I don't have many... maybe try Amad Butt or Aamir Yamin as a No.6/7 or go back to Imad as a big hitter batsman at in the lower order. Nawaz has done well but he needs to come in and hit from the get go which he isn't use to due to him coming in No.5 for Northern and Imad does have some power game to be a competent No.7.
 
Malik coming back into the side should really mean the end of Pakistan Cricket.
 
No.

Pakistan's home t20I series against South Africa wasn't good as it exposed our middle/late order batting depth. Asif, Ifti, Khushdil and Talat failed. In the ODI's in South Africa against the very opposition Pakistan tried Danish Aziz at No.5 and failed.

Due to this Shoaib Malik's name was obviously going to be mentioned due to his ability against spin with his record in India. BUT..... he is 38 and he may be better than the names I mentioned but going back to Malik is not a good decision. He plays one game, performs and we have him for the next T20WC. So no.

Haris Sohail isn't a T20 and right now he's not good enough to come in at No.5 where a batsman will need to come in and likely score at 120+ SR. Haris isn't this and his game isn't suited to T20 so again no.

As for offering alternatives, I don't have many... maybe try Amad Butt or Aamir Yamin as a No.6/7 or go back to Imad as a big hitter batsman at in the lower order. Nawaz has done well but he needs to come in and hit from the get go which he isn't use to due to him coming in No.5 for Northern and Imad does have some power game to be a competent No.7.

We need batsmen in those slots not more bits and pieces players.

We already have 6 bowling options. How many do you need in a T20 format.
 
To be honest Malik in his last few T20 matches for Pakistan looked out of sorts.

There was the occasional decent knock but mostly some low scores.

It all depends on who they are matching him up against.

I would still pick Malik over Asif Ali.
 
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To be honest Malik in his last few T20 matches for Pakistan looked out of sorts.

There was the occasional decent knock but mostly some low scores.

It all depends on who they are matching him up against.

Well as of now both Shadab and Imad would be better options with the bat.


It's 2021 not 2012, the days of Malik should be long gone.
 
Agree, our fans are quite delusional when they say we should look at the current youth with patience. I'm sorry but Asif and Haider are leg-side hacks, maybe not Haider seeing as he can't clear anything pitched on leg stump.

The point is that our resources are awful at the moment. If this SAF series has taught us anything, it's that our middle order prevents us from being a proper unit in the format.

Malik is now a must, but before we bring him back, I want the last potentially good batsman to be tried who is Sohaib Maqsood. If Maqsood fires, we would just need a cushion behind him, which would be easy to find given that most of our team is mentally soft.

Do you have any clue how many games Shoib Mediocre Malik was given in internationals before he developed his batting? Were you even watching cricket in early 2000s? Hafeez and Malik were walking wickets then.
Point is you can’t judge Haider, Khusdhil and Talat on handful games. You have to give them time. Look at how many games Rizwan took to get going after being in and out of the side close to 4-5 years
 
To be honest Malik in his last few T20 matches for Pakistan looked out of sorts.

There was the occasional decent knock but mostly some low scores.

It all depends on who they are matching him up against.

I would still pick Malik over Asif Ali.

Saj don’t forget that “experience” argument was made in favor of Shoib during 2019 WC and we dropped Haris Sohail for first few games. Ultimately Shoib showed his IMMENSE potential and experience as he has always done, and then got himself dropped for Haris. That was too late and cost Pak a birth at the WC. I really thought that was the end of his career but not again. And no please don’t give different format arguments. Shoib hasn’t done anything special in T20s either. He’s a bottler in clutch games. We are gonna play Aus SA NZ not just Bangladesh and Sri lanka
 
Haris should be considered in ODI's, but he was never a T20 player so that rules him out.

Going back to Malik would be a step back and how many times has Malik disappointed on the big stage?

I would go for Haider at 5 and tell Imad Wasim to take more responsibility with the bat by batting at 6.
 
Do you have any clue how many games Shoib Mediocre Malik was given in internationals before he developed his batting? Were you even watching cricket in early 2000s? Hafeez and Malik were walking wickets then.
Point is you can’t judge Haider, Khusdhil and Talat on handful games. You have to give them time. Look at how many games Rizwan took to get going after being in and out of the side close to 4-5 years

Clueless are the people who genuinely ignore statistics and don't realize how deprived of talent our country actually is.

Before you question me, question yourself.

Of all the players tried in the same role as Malik, how many were successful?

There was Hussain Talat, Asif Ali, Haider Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed, Khushdil Shah, among others who failed in every opportunity they got.

One only needs to consider that before realizing how poorly managed the Pakistan team is and how deprived of talent we as a country actually are in regards to batting.

Are we in the 2000s era? How many Pakistani batsmen in recent times have been in the same form as Hafeez?

Do we have 4-5 years before the T20 WC?

Ask yourself those questions now.
 
Clueless are the people who genuinely ignore statistics and don't realize how deprived of talent our country actually is.

Before you question me, question yourself.

Of all the players tried in the same role as Malik, how many were successful?

There was Hussain Talat, Asif Ali, Haider Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed, Khushdil Shah, among others who failed in every opportunity they got.

One only needs to consider that before realizing how poorly managed the Pakistan team is and how deprived of talent we as a country actually are in regards to batting.

Are we in the 2000s era? How many Pakistani batsmen in recent times have been in the same form as Hafeez?

Do we have 4-5 years before the T20 WC?

Ask yourself those questions now.

We aren't here to take worthless baggage in the form of the so-called "hitters" to the World Cup. We aren't going to the World Cup hoping that they just click or for their own experience.

The goal is to win the World Cup, not fail and then come running back saying that the middle order was experienced.

Take Malik to the World Cup, and in case our leg-side hacks fail again (which I'm sure will happen more often than not), you have the option to play him.
 
I would definitely bring Sharjeel into the mix for the T20's. A bit of reshuffle:

1 - Rizwan
2 -Sharjeel
3 - Fakhar
4 - Babar (I believe he can still be successful at this position)
5 - Hafeez (also to bowl)
6- Malik
7 - Imad
8 - Faheem
9 - Hasan
10 - Shaheen
11 - Rauf

Amir if back and Hussnain the other pacers.
 
We aren't here to take worthless baggage in the form of the so-called "hitters" to the World Cup. We aren't going to the World Cup hoping that they just click or for their own experience.

The goal is to win the World Cup, not fail and then come running back saying that the middle order was experienced.

Take Malik to the World Cup, and in case our leg-side hacks fail again (which I'm sure will happen more often than not), you have the option to play him.

The same Pakistan has produced Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Shaheen since 2016. If Pakistan has “no talent” as you and many other claim, then did these players come from Uganda?
Pakistan’s biggest problem is the word “talent”. Pakistan has neither more nor less talent, it’s the development of players that matter. We don’t have clear pathways. Domestic performers are overlooked, and/or not given enough chances and dropped before they come good. Players who do well in domestic are more likely to perform internationally. Look at Fawad Alam who was deprived for so many years. Usman Salahuddin, Hammad Azam and Saud walk into our test team but we are looking for “talent”!
Hussain Talat, Khusdil, Saud have done well in domestic and need international opportunities to develop and become world class players. That can’t happen if you’re gonna keep bringing back Malik who is a TTF.
Perhaps you were around in early 2000s based on your comment. Shoib Malik and Hafeez sucked bigged time in their first 50 games. In fact Shoib Malik started out as spin bowler and developed his batting over 5-7 years in the Pakistan team.
Hafeez was averaging like 18 for first his for 30-40 ODI games.
 
We aren't here to take worthless baggage in the form of the so-called "hitters" to the World Cup. We aren't going to the World Cup hoping that they just click or for their own experience.

The goal is to win the World Cup, not fail and then come running back saying that the middle order was experienced.

Take Malik to the World Cup, and in case our leg-side hacks fail again (which I'm sure will happen more often than not), you have the option to play him.

It’s too soon to say these players have failed. They need more time. Haider, Danish, Asif and Abduallah need time in FC because they haven’t even proven themselves at the domestic level yet. They need clear pathways:
Domestic List A -> Shaheen’s -> Pak
They need to ace these steps.
For me, Khusdil, Saud, Talat, Hassan Mohsin, and Hammad Azam are ahead in line.
 
It’s a choice between Malik looking calm and effortlessly scoring 25* in a losing cause , versus a nervous and confused youngster slogging out after scoring a painful 15.. not that Malik’s innings will win you the match either, but at least there’s a chance he will hold one end when the collapse has started and take it close to the end.
 
Saj don’t forget that “experience” argument was made in favor of Shoib during 2019 WC and we dropped Haris Sohail for first few games. Ultimately Shoib showed his IMMENSE potential and experience as he has always done, and then got himself dropped for Haris. That was too late and cost Pak a birth at the WC. I really thought that was the end of his career but not again. And no please don’t give different format arguments. Shoib hasn’t done anything special in T20s either. He’s a bottler in clutch games. We are gonna play Aus SA NZ not just Bangladesh and Sri lanka

At the moment though the guys we have tried in the T20 middle order have flopped. Nobody has grabbed that chance with both hands. We've tried 5 or 6 different players and none have really flourished and cemented their place.

I would still give Haider Ali more chances but the number 6 spot is definitely still up for grabs.
 
The same Pakistan has produced Babar, Fakhar, Rizwan, Shaheen since 2016. If Pakistan has “no talent” as you and many other claim, then did these players come from Uganda?
Pakistan’s biggest problem is the word “talent”. Pakistan has neither more nor less talent, it’s the development of players that matter. We don’t have clear pathways. Domestic performers are overlooked, and/or not given enough chances and dropped before they come good. Players who do well in domestic are more likely to perform internationally. Look at Fawad Alam who was deprived for so many years. Usman Salahuddin, Hammad Azam and Saud walk into our test team but we are looking for “talent”!
Hussain Talat, Khusdil, Saud have done well in domestic and need international opportunities to develop and become world class players. That can’t happen if you’re gonna keep bringing back Malik who is a TTF.
Perhaps you were around in early 2000s based on your comment. Shoib Malik and Hafeez sucked bigged time in their first 50 games. In fact Shoib Malik started out as spin bowler and developed his batting over 5-7 years in the Pakistan team.
Hafeez was averaging like 18 for first his for 30-40 ODI games.

Fakhar, Babar, Rizwan. Those are three players. Who comes after that? If Pakistan has so many "good players" and "domestic performers" like you mention, where are the performances from these so-called "good players"? In our playing XI, we have about 5 opening batsmen (Hafeez, Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar, Haider), so where are these so-called domestic performers? Are they just hiding somewhere?

Iftikhar Ahmed - Given ample opportunities, apart from the innings in Australia he failed to do anything. Even his T20 credentials don't suggest that he has any experience in the hitting department.

Khushdil Shah - Need I say more than him being a leg-side hack. He couldn't get Zimbabwe's bowlers away when they bowled on the off-side, and you think he'll survive against someone like Bumrah?

Hussain Talat - Arguably what a lot of our fans describe as "talented", but what did we see, the repeated inability to play spin properly.

Haider Ali - Another in the long list of leg-side hacks, anything on leg-stump is his sign to go back to the pavilion. Not fit for international cricket.

Asif Ali - Our prized hitter who has a strike rate in the 120s. If this were the 1980s, that strike rate would be acceptable for a hard-hitting batsman, but I've seen Misbah play faster knocks in test cricket than Asif in limited overs.

No disrespect to any of the players, they all tried their best to make ends meet but they couldn't.

Additionally, if you read my post, you would have understood what I meant but I shall repeat myself nonetheless:

Do we have 5-7 years before the next World Cup? The obvious answer, no we do not. We barely have about 6 months to go.

You can keep bringing Malik and Hafeez's stats up in their first 50 innings but it won't justify your point neither will it justify the context of this thread being the upcoming T20 World Cup. If I were talking about giving players chances to grow and develop, your point would be valid but try to look at it from the context of the T20 World Cup as opposed to developing these talentless players.

Secondly, bringing in domestic players not selected for the test team doesn't help your point either, it only makes your argument more confusing. If there are so many domestic performers in the T20 circuit, it would have been so easy for you to name some of them, instead, you name the players who weren't selected in test cricket.

If you were following the SAF series, you would have understood what became our undoing. The inability to play spin. Ironically, we're the only Asian side that can't even play off-spin properly, much less any other type of spin. Shamsi was stat-padding against our incompetent middle-order batsmen, none of whom learned anything from each of the innings they played on that tour.

Furthermore, one can even check PSL statistics to see that only Haider trumped Malik in terms of runs and a strike rate, but when it came to playing spin, he flopped against Shamsi yet again. He's probably Shamsi's bunny now, just a walking wicket.

From a bowling perspective as well, neither of the players above apart from Iftikhar contribute with the ball. Malik can be a reliable bowling option of one or two overs are needed given how frequently our express pacers are being bashed around the park. He has bowled on the international scene and hasn't been that horrible, so it wouldn't be a bad call from that perspective as well.

Furthermore, and perhaps the most glaring piece of information, Malik is a world-class player of spin. You can ask experts, past players, and even analysts, and the stats back it up. Malik is world-class against spin, and that's where our team is failing consistently right now.

Malik deserves a chance ahead of the likes of Haider Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed, Hussain Talat, and Khushdil Shah.

There is one player whose selection I did call for, in case you didn't read that part. It was Sohaib Maqsood.

He should be given a chance out of sympathy given how poorly everyone else brought in for that role performed.

No hard feelings.
 
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We already have a top six for T20's

Why is this a debate??

Here are 7,


Sharjeel
Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab

Then you still have Faheem & Nawab and of course Hasan Ali who can slog a few sixes.

Where does Malik fit into it?
 
Very rarely are you going to bowled out in twenty overs so you only really need two proper batsmen who can rotate and hold the innings together. These would be Babar and Rizwan. Then you have Hafeez too so what's the point in having Malik?

I see no logic in playing Malik.

None whatsoever
 
I think Malik should be in thr squad as a back up middle order batsman. The combination for the next ODI should be that Sharjeel comes in to open and everyone moves 1 place down. so ideally a top six like this is decent:

Sharjeel
Rizwan
Babar
Zaman
Hafeez
Haidar

If any of the top six fail then Malik can be brought in otherwise i say go with the above for the world cup
 
Very rarely are you going to bowled out in twenty overs so you only really need two proper batsmen who can rotate and hold the innings together. These would be Babar and Rizwan. Then you have Hafeez too so what's the point in having Malik?

I see no logic in playing Malik.

None whatsoever

Our order is not performing - Malik is not good but he is better tha haider - haider is just not good enough
 
We already have a top six for T20's

Why is this a debate??

Here are 7,


Sharjeel
Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar
Hafeez
Imad
Shadab

Then you still have Faheem & Nawab and of course Hasan Ali who can slog a few sixes.

Where does Malik fit into it?

Sharjeel will not be going to India. Misbah absolutely despises him. Who else is there? It's Malik whether you like it or not.
 
Haris Sohail doesn’t belong in t20is but should have been in the odi squad/XI in my opinion. On current form I would definitely have Hafeez over Malik and I think that’s what the management has said. We can only take one player over 40. With time running out and Pakistan’s middle order batsman failing badly they need to remove (asif ali, ifthikar, khusdil) type players who are misbahs parchi friends that only deserve to play club level cricket. They need to persist with Haider but for how long?? Perhaps bringing Azam khan and Sohaib maqsood into the squad won’t be such a bad idea as it’ll mean no one is gaureented a spot and competition is always good as it brings out performance. Having said that I wouldn’t say the door is shut on Shoaib Malik. He doesn’t walk into the side until Azam khan, Haider ali or Faheem are failing badly but I wouldn’t mind having him in the squad as he is still better than most of the middle order batsman Pakistan have tried and has done well in Indian conditions and hopefully his t20 experiences from different leagues can help Pakistan out cause the top order looks settled. Imad should definitely be back instead of Nawaz who is more like a number 10/11 batsman and Malik gives babar the option of squeezing out a few overs if one of the other bowlers has gone for a few early on in their spell which has been the case lately. With this misbah waqar babar combination it is almost certain Malik will be in the squad for the t20 WC.
 
Haris Sohail doesn’t belong in t20is but should have been in the odi squad/XI in my opinion. On current form I would definitely have Hafeez over Malik and I think that’s what the management has said. We can only take one player over 40. With time running out and Pakistan’s middle order batsman failing badly they need to remove (asif ali, ifthikar, khusdil) type players who are misbahs parchi friends that only deserve to play club level cricket. They need to persist with Haider but for how long?? Perhaps bringing Azam khan and Sohaib maqsood into the squad won’t be such a bad idea as it’ll mean no one is gaureented a spot and competition is always good as it brings out performance. Having said that I wouldn’t say the door is shut on Shoaib Malik. He doesn’t walk into the side until Azam khan, Haider ali or Faheem are failing badly but I wouldn’t mind having him in the squad as he is still better than most of the middle order batsman Pakistan have tried and has done well in Indian conditions and hopefully his t20 experiences from different leagues can help Pakistan out cause the top order looks settled. Imad should definitely be back instead of Nawaz who is more like a number 10/11 batsman and Malik gives babar the option of squeezing out a few overs if one of the other bowlers has gone for a few early on in their spell which has been the case lately. With this misbah waqar babar combination it is almost certain Malik will be in the squad for the t20 WC.

You want only one over 40 player in the team, Haris Soahail might not be 40 on papers but out of Hafeez , Malik and Sohail , who in your opinion has the worst fitness level.

And you want Azam Khan in the team, seriously, on what basis ? , what performance has he shown to be considered and can you name any player of any age in domestic circuit with worst fitness level ?

We are talking about international cricket , not gali mohalla cricket, there has to be some fitness standard. .
 
The next T20 WC is in India and as we know our middle order is non existent

What's scary is the thought of Haider, Asif, Nawaz and Faheem being our middle order on Indian pitches.

For me Shoaib Malik and Haris Sohail are a must in the middle order for Indian pitches. Superior batsmen and better players of spin too.

I would replace Nawaz for Imad too. Don't think Nawaz belongs in the team unless he is in as a spinner. His batting is simply not good enough for the lower order.

instead just move Rizwan to middle order

1. Sharjeel
2. Babar
3. Fakhar
4. Hafeez
5. Rizwan
6. Haider
7. Imad
 
Sohaib Maqsood should be a given a run in the T20 middle order. He was in decent touch during the PSL, but also had a solid domestic season
 
Sharjeel will not be going to India. Misbah absolutely despises him. Who else is there? It's Malik whether you like it or not.

But then you must not complain when we go at 8 runs per over and finally end up on 170 odd on a flat track.

No one should complain about strike rates when you have three or four guys playing a similar role.

No one should harp on about playing the modern game when you have a player from the bygone era sitting in your middle order
 
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