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443/6 declared in two days of cricket with the series on the line and no effort to score quick runs.

What an absolute disgrace!

This team does not deserve to win this test or this series.
 
Weren't you the one asking Indian batsman to learn from Pakistani batsmen when they were batting in the UAE?

This is exactly how Pakistan bat in the UAE.
 
Sidilicious said:
Weren't you the one asking Indian batsman to learn from Pakistani batsmen when they were batting in the UAE?

This is exactly how Pakistan bat in the UAE.
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There area stages in a test match when temperament is most important and good defence is valued when you just have to eat up time and make the ball older. But there comes a time when batsmen are set and you got to score quick runs to win the game and make the most use of your position of control.

India has totally given up on their quest for a victory here with their shameless defensive attitude.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
443/6 declared in two days of cricket with the series on the line and no effort to score quick runs.

What an absolute disgrace!

This team does not deserve to win this test or this series.
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That too when Pakistan scored at 3.85 per over on SA minefield.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
There area stages in a test match when temperament is most important and good defence is valued when you just have to eat up time and make the ball older. But there comes a time when batsmen are set and you got to score quick runs to win the game and make the most use of your position of control.

India has totally given up on their quest for a victory here with their shameless defensive attitude.
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So basically You want to whine just wanting a reason for it, Head I win Tails you lose thread.
 
par said:
That too when Pakistan scored at 3.85 per over on SA minefield.
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SA minefield isn't slow and difficult to hit on, it was just bowler friendly. We scored at above 3 and over when we played here too.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
There area stages in a test match when temperament is most important and good defence is valued when you just have to eat up time and make the ball older. But there comes a time when batsmen are set and you got to score quick runs to win the game and make the most use of your position of control.

India has totally given up on their quest for a victory here with their shameless defensive attitude.
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Here is your post,

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India must learn from Pakistani batsmen's temperament

Going at just 2.92 on what seems like a lifeless batting track with little to nothing for the bowlers. Indians would have been looking to doninate here and might well have lost 4-5 wickets but Pakistan playing test cricket the eat it is meant to be played and meeping wickets intact.

223/2

Great batting

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...st-learn-from-Pakistani-batsmen-s-temperament

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2 wickets at end of the day means slow playing had nothing to do with making the ball old. Two contradictory posts by you here.


It was a poor approach from Pakistan and it was a poor approach from India. You don't play with the same approach for full 90 overs in a day.
 
Yes if the aim of this series was to humiliate Australia in Australia,then surely this is a disgraceful batting on that context.

But I would say it was a fine batting on slow wicket should have shown more intent but its fine. In Australia,you can't humiliate Australia, so better grind out.
 
Buffet said:
Here is your post,

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India must learn from Pakistani batsmen's temperament

Going at just 2.92 on what seems like a lifeless batting track with little to nothing for the bowlers. Indians would have been looking to doninate here and might well have lost 4-5 wickets but Pakistan playing test cricket the eat it is meant to be played and meeping wickets intact.

223/2

Great batting

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...st-learn-from-Pakistani-batsmen-s-temperament

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2 wickets at end of the day means slow playing had nothing to do with making the ball old. Two contradictory posts by you here.


It was a poor approach from Pakistan and it was a poor approach from India. You don't play with the same approach for full 90 overs in a day.
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It’s all about context otherwise even quick batting isn’t desirable on many occasions.

On Day 1, I approved India’s batting strategy although he would have preferred more positivity. Vihari’s ineptness against bounce was an embarrassment to India.

On Day 2, first session was forgiven but from session 2 onwards India needed to push for quick runs which they did not. It’s a disgrace.

Hope it helps
 
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The pitch is dead and they should have batted as long as possible to deteriorate the pitch. I think the declaration was a poor call but to say the batting has been a disgrace is hilarious.
 
Buffet said:
Here is your post,

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India must learn from Pakistani batsmen's temperament

Going at just 2.92 on what seems like a lifeless batting track with little to nothing for the bowlers. Indians would have been looking to doninate here and might well have lost 4-5 wickets but Pakistan playing test cricket the eat it is meant to be played and meeping wickets intact.

223/2

Great batting

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...st-learn-from-Pakistani-batsmen-s-temperament

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2 wickets at end of the day means slow playing had nothing to do with making the ball old. Two contradictory posts by you here.


It was a poor approach from Pakistan and it was a poor approach from India. You don't play with the same approach for full 90 overs in a day.
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This post is good enough to expose OP's intentions here. :inti
 
Disgraced? No way. End result will define if they played well and the pitch is too difficult or they played too defensive
 
Whoever bats like this deserve to loose the series, this is the lesson everyone should have learnt from Pak NZ series in UAE.
 
I think the last match is in sydney and india thinks that they are favourites to win there , thats why they are careful in this match.

Still australia will be under tremendous pressure tomorrow and india will feel they are favourites to win this one too.
 
If graceful batting means scoring at a rate of 4 and getting bowled out for 181 then yes Indians batted disgracefully. And I am quite proud of their "disgraceful" batting.
 
What do you expect when you have Pujara who bats like he's living in the era of timeless tests? Scores runs but needs to bat at least a SR of 40 as a bare minimum otherwise there will come a time when it will cme to haunt him and India - as evident from the last away series in WI.
 
topspin said:
What do you expect when you have Pujara who bats like he's living in the era of timeless tests? Scores runs but needs to bat at least a SR of 40 as a bare minimum otherwise there will come a time when it will cme to haunt him and India - as evident from the last away series in WI.
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Please don’t put it on Pujara. He did his job.

Onus was on Rahane, Sharma, Pant and rest to score quick runs and they let India now and knowing nature of these players it’s definitely the team management which told them NOT to go for it.

It is a disgrace.

This team now has no shame.

If this doesn’t ring alarm bells I don’t know what will.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please don’t put it on Pujara. He did his job.

Onus was on Rahane, Sharma, Pant and rest to score quick runs and they let India now and knowing nature of these players it’s definitely the team management which told them NOT to go for it.

It is a disgrace.

This team now has no shame.

If this doesn’t ring alarm bells I don’t know what will.
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They were disgraceful from the start.Lost ODI,T20 series to SA with last ODI conceding 400+.SA was test No1 at that time.India knew they stood no chance.So they did what they can do best.Pitch tampering
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Please don’t put it on Pujara. He did his job.

Onus was on Rahane, Sharma, Pant and rest to score quick runs and they let India now and knowing nature of these players it’s definitely the team management which told them NOT to go for it.

It is a disgrace.

This team now has no shame.

If this doesn’t ring alarm bells I don’t know what will.
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A ton at a SR of 33 on a flat MCG wicket is unacceptable. He gets the bulk of the blame because he used up 319 balls - more than any other batsman. Look at it from this perspective:

India faced 1018 balls. Pujara faced 319 of those which equates 31-32% (and that too at a poor SR of 33).

Pant and Sharma could have scored slightly quicker but still at a SR of over 50. Rahane was at least batting at SR of 45.

Pujara is the heart of the problem. In this era of cricket, it is simply unacceptable. I have no problems if he starts slowly but once he reached 50 he needed to show more impetus.
 
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topspin said:
A ton at a SR of 33 on a flat MCG wicket is unacceptable. He gets the bulk of the blame because he used up 319 balls - more than any other batsman. Look at it from this perspective:

India faced 1018 balls. Pujara faced 319 of those which equates 31-32% (and that too at a poor SR of 33).

Pant and Sharma could have scored slightly quicker but still at a SR of over 50. Rahane was at least batting at SR of 45.

Pujara is the heart of the problem. In this era of cricket, it is simply unacceptable. I have no problems if he starts slowly but once he reached 50 he needed to show more impetus.
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Anyway at least you recognise it’s been a disgraceful effort. I take it as a huge improvement compared to those who find the OP unjust.

Anger with this team is now building up.

It’s not about Kohli or Shastri. India’s prestige is on the line. They are Asia’s 2nd greatest cricket nation. Their fans deserve better!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Anyway at least you recognise it’s been a disgraceful effort. I take it as a huge improvement compared to those who find the OP unjust.

Anger with this team is now building up.

It’s not about Kohli or Shastri. India’s prestige is on the line. They are Asia’s 2nd greatest cricket nation. Their fans deserve better!
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India still ahead in this test and has the bowling to dismiss this weaker batting line up for 300. Getting Khawaja out early will be the key I reckon.
 
I don't think any side with 400+ on the board in the first innings should be "disgraced"....but the scoring rate was ABYSMALLY slow. That too on a pitch which seemed to play pretty easy and straight.
 
topspin said:
India still ahead in this test and has the bowling to dismiss this weaker batting line up for 300. Getting Khawaja out early will be the key I reckon.
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If Aus scores 300, it's a draw due to rain predictions. India can't afford to simply bat 25 overs and put Aus again if Aus scores 300 in first go.
 
topspin said:
India still ahead in this test and has the bowling to dismiss this weaker batting line up for 300. Getting Khawaja out early will be the key I reckon.
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Buffet said:
If Aus scores 300, it's a draw due to rain predictions. India can't afford to simply bat 25 overs and put Aus again if Aus scores 300 in first go.
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Like Buffet mentioned, India is banking some very ambitious thoughts if there serious about winning this test. You are going to dismiss this Australian team on this pitch twice in 3 days and under 450 runs?

Theoretically yes.

But this is India on an away tour.

Les be more realistic. I will be the happiest person to be proven wrong with an indian victory here. I hope the team does it.
 
barah_admi said:
I don't think any side with 400+ on the board in the first innings should be "disgraced"....but the scoring rate was ABYSMALLY slow. That too on a pitch which seemed to play pretty easy and straight.
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They were not facing an ordinary attack. This bowling attack is arguably the best test attack at the moment.
Moreover, the pitch is not suitable for stroke making. Not just Pujara,other stroke makers in the line up struggled to time the ball.
 
Pitch is apparently not easy to score on with uneven bounce. India batted for time and runs and have more or less taken away Indian loss out of the equation. That is good test match cricket.
 
topspin said:
A ton at a SR of 33 on a flat MCG wicket is unacceptable. He gets the bulk of the blame because he used up 319 balls - more than any other batsman. Look at it from this perspective:

India faced 1018 balls. Pujara faced 319 of those which equates 31-32% (and that too at a poor SR of 33).

Pant and Sharma could have scored slightly quicker but still at a SR of over 50. Rahane was at least batting at SR of 45.

Pujara is the heart of the problem. In this era of cricket, it is simply unacceptable. I have no problems if he starts slowly but once he reached 50 he needed to show more impetus.
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Even Kohli scored at the strike rate of 40. What do you have to say about that?
 
Rahul1 said:
Even Kohli scored at the strike rate of 40. What do you have to say about that?
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If Kohli was out there for 300+ balls, he would have taken his SR to 45+ at least which would have been 50% fasterr than what Pujara managed to do - which was merely occupy time at the crease.
 
topspin said:
If Kohli was out there for 300+ balls, he would have taken his SR to 45+ at least which would have been 50% fasterr than what Pujara managed to do - which was merely occupy time at the crease.
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They are different types of batsmen with different roles. Indians have exhausted the Aussie bowlers and have scored runs too. There is only 1 team winning from here with a.draw.still on the plate. Perfect template to play overseas.
 
topspin said:
A ton at a SR of 33 on a flat MCG wicket is unacceptable. He gets the bulk of the blame because he used up 319 balls - more than any other batsman. Look at it from this perspective:

India faced 1018 balls. Pujara faced 319 of those which equates 31-32% (and that too at a poor SR of 33).

Pant and Sharma could have scored slightly quicker but still at a SR of over 50. Rahane was at least batting at SR of 45.

Pujara is the heart of the problem. In this era of cricket, it is simply unacceptable. I have no problems if he starts slowly but once he reached 50 he needed to show more impetus.
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Flat?? Do all of us a favor and watch the game once in a while. Or, read about it. Pitch has deterioted quicker than everybody expected. There is uneven bounce. Everybody agrees that it is tough tonwcore runs on this pitch. Pitches were flat in 2014. This time around they have been very sportive so far.
 
rhony said:
Flat?? Do all of us a favor and watch the game once in a while. Or, read about it. Pitch has deterioted quicker than everybody expected. There is uneven bounce. Everybody agrees that it is tough tonwcore runs on this pitch. Pitches were flat in 2014. This time around they have been very sportive so far.
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It is still flat. I've been watching the first sessions late in the evening. Maybe Pujara could do Indians a favour and actually eat some more protein bars + lift some weights. The MCG boundaries doesn't suit his low muscle mass %.
 
topspin said:
It is still flat. I've been watching the first sessions late in the evening. Maybe Pujara could do Indians a favour and actually eat some more protein bars + lift some weights. The MCG boundaries doesn't suit his low muscle mass %.
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Haha. No matter how much he eats, he will still play the same. His role is to grind out the opposition and score runs. The last time he did, India won in Adelaide. This game looks good for India so far
 
rhony said:
Haha. No matter how much he eats, he will still play the same. His role is to grind out the opposition and score runs. The last time he did, India won in Adelaide. This game looks good for India so far
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Ball Blunting Specialist that Pujara is.
 
Dont say anything until Australia bats for a session or so. The pitch is not as easy as you are trying to make. I would take your one point of not scoring quickly enough before the tea. But other than that 450 is winning score. There is no one from australia could survive on day four and five. Aus hasonly one chance if they batted brilliantly on day 3 and somehow manage close to 300. This is only hope for them. The ball is coming low on good lenth delivery. Aus has 10 batters which will make things intersting and i really want to see jaddu on this pitch rather than ravi. even vihari can bowl.
 
topspin said:
If Kohli was out there for 300+ balls, he would have taken his SR to 45+ at least which would have been 50% fasterr than what Pujara managed to do - which was merely occupy time at the crease.
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If Afridi played 300 balls,he'll score 400.What kind of logic is that
 
latecut said:
They were not facing an ordinary attack. This bowling attack is arguably the best test attack at the moment.
Moreover, the pitch is not suitable for stroke making. Not just Pujara,other stroke makers in the line up struggled to time the ball.
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The Aus attack is not the best lol
 
freelance_cricketer said:
443/6 declared in two days of cricket with the series on the line and no effort to score quick runs.

What an absolute disgrace!

This team does not deserve to win this test or this series.
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Sidilicious said:
Weren't you the one asking Indian batsman to learn from Pakistani batsmen when they were batting in the UAE?

This is exactly how Pakistan bat in the UAE.
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OP doesn't have a deep understanding of cricket and just jumps at anything that is the flavor of the moment. After India were bowled out for 140 in the last innings they played, it was good for them to mentally wear down an ATG attack of Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Lyon.
 
they should have batted with a better strike rate in last 15-20 overs, however, they are still in a good position to win this match. At least they have made sure that they won't lose this match
 
The thread is 3 days too soon.
And harsh on all the batsman for what one or two batsman did.
I especially did not like kohli batting at 40 SR while his career SR is at 55.
Still, India has total on the board.
 
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I think they could have been more positive but I think they wanted to ensure they put the runs on the board as they know Australia’s batting is weak.
 
This thread is more like a "congradulatory note" for India . You know a thing called back-handed complement where you complement on the outside but actually insult. This is opposite of it lol.
 
Don't think it's a selfish batting; defensive yes. I think they want to grind out the bowlers and try to apply scorecard pressure on this Aussie batting line up that is weak. But the wicket has no life whatsoever and so draw is the most likely outcome.
 
Chrish said:
Don't think it's a selfish batting; defensive yes. I think they want to grind out the bowlers and try to apply scorecard pressure on this Aussie batting line up that is weak. But the wicket has no life whatsoever and so draw is the most likely outcome.
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Lack of application can cost your wicket here.
 
I think the Indian batsmen read this thread and decided the OP knew something about the game of cricket :))
 
They’re shamelessly falling apart.

Like I said before this team always does the opposite of what is required.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
They’re shamelessly falling apart.

Like I said before this team always does the opposite of what is required.
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Brother F.C. your career chart is giving tough competition to Hashim Amla’s decline these days highlighted by the time you said Kohli would have to give way to the great KL Rahul the best batsman of the team or was it world.

Need a good break to rejuvenate and come back strong.
 
India gonna disgrace themselves by winning this test, how embarrassing.
 
Big Mac said:
India gonna disgrace themselves by winning this test, how embarrassing.
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Absolutely, after the boring first two days, decreasing interest in test cricket, even if India wins, it will be a disgrace by them.
 
Zakaz said:
Absolutely, after the boring first two days, decreasing interest in test cricket, even if India wins, it will be a disgrace by them.
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It was great when Pakistan did it, it'll be great when India do it.

I'd much rather tuk tuk to a real victory than 3.5 rpo to a moral one.
 
Zakaz said:
Absolutely, after the boring first two days, decreasing interest in test cricket, even if India wins, it will be a disgrace by them.
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Better to lose scoring quickly than win scoring slower.
 
Lol seriously? They are on the verge of winning the series in AUS for the first time and you think its disgraceful because they were cautious in the first innings. Are you an Aussie supporter? This is the kind of logic that channel9 analyst will give to downplay the Opposition.
 
jagatk said:
Seems [MENTION=147784]Zakaz[/MENTION] does not agree mate, I don't care if you crawl to victory as long as you win.
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Its not always about winning, its about the game. Test cricket is dying and only way to change that is having some exiting matches, not this boring one sided matchess.
 
Another hyperbole thread. At least could have waited for both teams to bat once.
 
First Indian batsmen disgraced trhemselves by batting slowly in the first innings, then Indian bowlers disgraced themselves by bowling Australia out cheaply.:yk
 
Indian batsmen quickly went back to pavilion in the second innings to not offend certain fans.
 
Gullycricket said:
This is child Labour.This Aussie team is pathetic except for Cummins
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I think when similar( probably weaker) Aus team faced Pakistan in UAE...the general opinion was " We can only play the team put in front of us'.
I guess the logic changed when facing Indian team.
 
topspin said:
You can stick to scorecards of timeless tests and black and white cricket tapes, since you seem so riled up over my opinion of Pujara's innings.
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That's what TEST cricket is about. It was the perfect innings.
 
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