Has Pakistan made a mistake by selecting T20 players for an ODI World Cup?

[emranabbas]

Looking at the current squad we have players who maybe expert in a 20 over game but they lack of any first class experience and skills

I can see some of these players are struggling on the field and just don't want to be there for too long

Even with the bowlers they are struggling after the 3rd over in a spell and the batsmen just don't want to stick to the crease

Have we made a blunder by selecting the wrong players for this format

Most of these players are in the squad based on psl performances and someone of them have played very less domestic cricket just by looking at the stats from the current quid e azam trophy you can see lot of players are grafting and probably deserved a spot over psl performances.

 

[imran1976]

We made stupid errors by not preparing the team -- throwing in young players in the world cup directly ( Abdullah, Saud, Mir , Salman), don't expect from them to win world cup for you.

Add to this so called X factor Fakhar Zaman aka meeda , Imam the useless and Haris the T20 bowler + Hassan Ali the shokha; they don't deserve place in the team.

Genuine spinner, we don't have any in the squad.

 

[7sins]

what preparation were we doing ? we knew spinners will be the key here and we selected 2 part timers in nawaz and shadab and undercooked leggie in usama ? plus we kept on saying fakhar will come good for last 2 years and in the end we had to drop him after 1 match. didnt prepare any fast bowlers to replace an injured bowler.

 

[hafizexpress]

Well, this is the team that's been groomed and playing together. The planning in the years leading up to the World Cup is what's been wrong, not entirely the selection itself. Most of the picks are what you got

 

[Savak]

The captain Babar Azam is purely responsible. He has been the captain for 3-4 years and has been given complete authority on team selection.

 

[emranabbas]

We made stupid errors by not preparing the team -- throwing in young players in the world cup directly ( Abdullah, Saud, Mir , Salman), don't expect from them to win world cup for you.

Add to this so called X factor Fakhar Zaman aka meeda , Imam the useless and Haris the T20 bowler + Hassan Ali the shokha; they don't deserve place in the team.

Genuine spinner, we don't have any in the squad.

This is basically a t20 squad what are our selectors doing?

Everyone and their dog know that subcontinent is known for spin pitches and yet for the last 4 years we not prepared one specialist spinner

We can't rely on shadab and nawaz they clear are not specialist spinners or even odi players

 

[lazy cricketer]

yesss...no brain behind selecting these players

-Wasim jr what is the point of carrying this guy with you when you gonna call 10 other players when Naseem gets injured? if you don't have confidence in him then just drop the guy. A place wasted in wc squad

-Fakhar Zaman: the guy failed miserably in Canada and Srilankas leagues couldn't score any run and we still select this guy just because he might play a match win us a match once in a blue moon. then you play this out-of-form player the first match and straight away you drop him.saim ayub would have been a better option. Another place wasted in wc squad

- Shadab the guy hasnt scored a run in a long time and is a rubbish spinner nowadays and we still have him as our vc and keep backing him up and then the replacement is USAMA MIR who is even worse than this guy. 2 more places wasted.

- Agha salman what has this guy done to be in odi squad rubbish place you is only good when other batsman have scored tons of runs against weak opponents and then he comes and scores some easy runs even those easy runs are not coming nowadays. mohammad haris would have been a much better option then this guy... plus we cant have 10 accumulators in playing 11...stupid selection

- Zaman Khan what is the point of carrying a guy who has just started his career and has no list a achievements...was selected just because he can bowl a few Yorkers in death overs plus he was playing for Derbyshire where the coach was none other than Micky "mouse" arthur.

we are selecting people based on the performance of 3 4 matches not even a full season.

 

[lazy cricketer]

- saud shakeel...how is he gonna help us when babar and rizwan are maintaining a run rate of 5 or 6 and then his comes in and cant hit anything....if he cant play at number 3 or 4 no point playing him or carrying him with the squad

 

[NeVerMind]

But doesnt everyone want the likes of Saim Ayub, Imad Wasim and Mohammed Amir back into the ODI squad who also are T20 specialists nowadays?

 

[Kroll]

A lot of players are now sourced from T20 but we throw in too many of the mediocre ones or they simply don't improve.

 

[VForVendetta]

Imam, Shafique, Agha, Saud, Hasan, Babar, Rizwan; that's half of your squad & none of them qualify for the criteria of what we call proper t20 specialist. So no, the team sucks not because it's full of t20 hacks, the team sucks because it is led by a clueless mediocre limited player who naturally prefers other limited mediocre players. The team doesn't know how to play modern white ball cricket & doesn't even try to improve.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Shadab and Nawaz play in arguably the most important positions in the team. They’re playing as bowling allrounders and yet they’re not doing anything with bat and ball. Keep them away from ODI’s, let them have fun in all the T20 leagues.

Haris Rauf gets a lot of stick, but he’s not suited to bowling with the new ball in the PP. Babar brought him on in the 8th over when he could’ve went to Nawaz or Ifthikar instead. Rauf is the perfect bowler to come on around the 15th over with the opposition 2 down. Besides, no one else can touch 147 in the team.

 

[sweep_shot]

I personally think Haris Rauf shouldn't play ODI. He should only play T20.

Also, Pakistan surprisingly didn't groom any good spinner. Shadab and Nawaz are easy for top teams.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Sharjeel
Ayub
Shafique
Babar
Rizwan
Azam
Imad
Shaheen
Iqbal
Haris
Abrar

Play this line up after the WC

 

[Kroll]

I personally think Haris Rauf shouldn't play ODI. He should only play T20.

Also, Pakistan surprisingly didn't groom any good spinner. Shadab and Nawaz are easy for top teams.

I don't buy this garbage about such and such a bowler isn't a new ball bowler or isn't a death bowler. Granted Rauf isn't but as primary pace bowler, he should still be able to bowl properly in the early overs when needed without getting smacked for 10 per over.

Sadly, our great history and pedigree of fast bowling is being eroded with such clowns.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I don't buy this garbage about such and such a bowler isn't a new ball bowler or isn't a death bowler. Granted Rauf isn't but as primary pace bowler, he should still be able to bowl properly in the early overs when needed without getting smacked for 10 per over.

Sadly, our great history and pedigree of fast bowling is being eroded with such clowns.

Our fast bowling legacy has been destroyed in the past 12 years. Whereas SA, Australia, India, NZ and England keep on producing WC pacers we are producing at best 1 a decade.

 

[Lampard]

Pakistan’s problem is that they lack game awareness compared to other top teams and handling pressure situations. The players selected for this World Cup are the top talent available in Pakistan. Maybe 1-2 players could have been changed but that’s about it. The players are too set in their ways and this cannot be changed overnight. If you replace these players with any other local players we will still face the same situation. This needs to be corrected at the domestic level with a change in approach to coaching and that will take some time.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I don't buy this garbage about such and such a bowler isn't a new ball bowler or isn't a death bowler. Granted Rauf isn't but as primary pace bowler, he should still be able to bowl properly in the early overs when needed without getting smacked for 10 per over.

Sadly, our great history and pedigree of fast bowling is being eroded with such clowns.

There’s a reason why England don’t bowl Wood in the PP, because A) they have better bowlers to exploit the new ball, and B), because they know Wood is a much better bowler when he bowls after the the first PP.

Pakistan, unfortunately has 1 new ball bowler and 2 bowlers that bowl well in the middle overs. If you have a bowler that struggles bowling with the new ball, why would you opt for him in the 8th over?

 

[hassan918]

In the last couple of years we have mostly played T20 cricket that is why only those players who were playing in this format was in the limelight. We should be playing more ODI cricket before any 50 over tournament.

 

[160KPH]

Our fast bowling legacy has been destroyed in the past 12 years. Whereas SA, Australia, India, NZ and England keep on producing WC pacers we are producing at best 1 a decade.

Kinda hard to say that about England after the beating they’ve been given recently.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Kinda hard to say that about England after the beating they’ve been given recently.

Still won 2 WCs and many Test series recently

 

[160KPH]

There’s a reason why England don’t bowl Wood in the PP, because A) they have better bowlers to exploit the new ball, and B), because they know Wood is a much better bowler when he bowls after the the first PP.

Pakistan, unfortunately has 1 new ball bowler and 2 bowlers that bowl well in the middle overs. If you have a bowler that struggles bowling with the new ball, why would you opt for him in the 8th over?

Yeah no doubt it was a bad mistake bringing Rauf on so early. Even if you look at his stats, he’s horrible up front and great at the death.

 

[Kroll]

There’s a reason why England don’t bowl Wood in the PP, because A) they have better bowlers to exploit the new ball, and B), because they know Wood is a much better bowler when he bowls after the the first PP.

Pakistan, unfortunately has 1 new ball bowler and 2 bowlers that bowl well in the middle overs. If you have a bowler that struggles bowling with the new ball, why would you opt for him in the 8th over?

It's not a one size fits all approach tbh. We're a bit hampered due to the Naseem injury. So if either Hasan or SSA are getting smacked around, we may have no choice to bring him on earlier to try something different.

Then again, 8 overs isn't completely new so by the time he's bowling his 3rd or 4th over, we're past the PP.

 

[Kianig89]

When no your not hitting six in 1000 PP deliveries then that's something definitely to be ashamed of

 

[ghalib kichlu]

This is our test team apart from rauf and iftikhar
The only t20 aspect is that the batting seems to be over after 20 overs

 

[asfandyar]

T20I and Test players.

 

[Abid Z]

I think no doubt the squad could be better but essentially there’s a dilemma.

Pick good test players who can adapt to one day cricket or pick t20 players that will perform in the 50 overs. At this stage of the tournament it’s too late to chop. Ideally most teams have a mixture of the two but Pak have players who are not good in either format, just PSL. But we unfortunately don’t play a lot of cricket so this inexperience is showing.

I do think that saud is as a good test player he should come at 3 after Abdullah and Rizwan at 5 then ifti with only one of Nawaz or Shadab alongside the main spinner Usama or Abrar. This is primarily because of their T20 skills.

Haris the bowler is better at the death and Hasán needs a better role upfront. Other than that the squad will have to do. Too late to change

Wasim and zaman are pointless T20 picks.

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

What's hurting us is that our bowling has not been as effective. We lack a quality wicket taking spinner. We lack a fast bowler with express speed who can keep his line. The world cup that was played in 2011. Where Pakistan went to the Semis. Similar conditions. But we had a spin bowling cast of Hafeez, Afridi, Ajmal. That's a lot of spin options there. Our fast bowling wasn't great in that world cup (We had just lost Amir for 5 years) but at least our spin was elite.

Not sure what could have been done, because it's not like there's been some great spinner out there that we left out. Maybe Abrar?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Most them do not deserve a spot in T20s either.

They are just playing with diffensive approach that some how we contain some runs, they are actually not going for a kill at all.

Again i would say diffensive captain and diffenesive approach hurting them.

 

[PakHammer]

The squad should have taken a chance on Haris Sohail, he would be a ideal number 4 for ODI's and has more experience than Saud or Salman Algha. I know he has injury problems but touring India should not have been a hassle for him.

He is useful with the ball and not a bad slip catcher. But his time is gone now, he won't make the side post world cup.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Listening to commentary, this is what England seems to have concluded about their team’s poor performance.

And reading the commentary of Pakistan cricket fans, they seem to be saying the same about Pakistan cricket team.

In the last 4 years, many teams tried to replace a lot of ODI cricket in their schedule with T20 cricket probably thinking it would also be enough to prepare themselves for 50 overs cricket but the biggest learning has been that apparently 50 overs cricket is closer to test cricket than it is to T20 cricket!!

 

[hassan918]

I don't think there are too many players who're good at T20 cricket. We're complaining that they are not scoring at a higher rate that they should be doing if they're T20 players. We have 4-5 batters in our top 6 who bat with a strike rate of under 100.

 

[ads101]

Think it's the opposite. Our T20 and ODI teams should be almost identical in both personnel and in batting order. ODIs are just extended T20s. They certainly felt like that this world cup.

We also aren't exactly playing guys who are dashers in T20 and can't last the overs in 50 overs. That isn't their problem.

The differences in ODI and T20s also result in a less settled team in both, with players changing their roles a lot.

If you had to create a top 3 in PSL of the strongest performers, it would be Rizwan and Fakhar opening, Babar at 3. I see little reason not to have tried that combination in both T20s and ODIs.

A genuine spinner would be really valuable in both T20s and ODIs. We just sadly don't have one.

 

[usman_mhd123]

These guys aren't even quality T20 players so not sure why any of these players are selected for World cup.

 

[Kianig89]

The fascination with Rizwan must stop, he is not half the player what most fans think of, is he Pakistan' best wicket keeper batsman don't think so edgy against pace uncomfortable against spin.

 

[Mohraheem]

Who the hell choses Ifthikhar Ahmed! Why this player got selected? Did he deliver Biryani plates to selectors for his selection ? He should be in jail