Hashim Amla vs Shikhar Dhawan in ODIs

[BreadPakoda]

Averages against top 3 sides ODI teams of the decade (India/Australia/South Africa)

Vs Australia
Amla - 33 @SR79
Dhawan - 45 @SR100+

Vs India
Amla - 38 @SR85

Vs South Africa
Dhawan - 53 @SR97

Amla is insanely awesome against some oppositions. For e.g. he has absolutely bossed WI in his career. Has made 1000+ runs and averages a good 43 more than Dhawan!!

I would still believe Shikhar beats Amla due to his consistency against all oppositions and big match performances.

 

[Ab Fan]

You cant compare stats this way. Amla's peak ended in 2014 while Dhawan debuted around the same time. So, two different era.

 

[navin]

Hashim Amla against AUS ENG INDIA NZ PAK

Shikhar Dhawan against AUS ENG SA NZ PAK

against better teams, they are almost neck to neck

 

[ipl_fan]

Not even a comparision. Dhawan hands down. One of the best openers in limited overs right now. Dhawan is a high impact player.

 

[anoop]

Rohit and Dhawan are both better openers than Amla.

 

[ipl_fan]

It isn't about the numbers always. Dhawan creates an impact at the crease which Amla can only dream of. If it is indeed only about numbers, still Dhawan has better SR and AVG against teams that matter.

 

[Mohammad zuber]

If amla bats for 50 overs against my team i will not going to fear because amla is a impact less player and not a matchwinner amla is accumulator at best

 

[Justcrazy]

Amla is better , I do not think anyone will think different here.

 

[Sam99]

Decock vs Dhawan can be better but decock these days is not as good as he was few years ago.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dhawan can bat more aggresively than Amla and delivers under pressure unlike Amla as well.

I will take Dhawan over Amla in odis. Amla wipes the floor with Dhawan in tests though.

 

[pratiktc]

Dhawan has proven himself as the bigger clutch player in last 5 years.
Amla had almost GOAT numbers at one point, but that was mostly on back of relentless minnow and Jamodi bashing.
Since last WC, he has regressed badly against minnows and big teams alike.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Dhawan is at his peak right now. Amla at his peak was a better batsman by some distance.

 

[anoop]

Dhawan is at his peak right now. Amla at his peak was a better batsman by some distance.

Even then he was dud in ICC tournaments.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Dhawan can get there if he keeps it for 2 more years.

At the moment, I'd give it to the South African.

 

[battler]

Dhawan everytime everywhere

 

[jusarrived]

Dhawan >>>>> Amla in ODIs.
Dhawan has arguably been better than even Virat in recent years, Amla on the other hand I'd everything you don't want your opener to be these days.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Its not right to compare someone on his decline with someone who's at his peak. 4 years ago Amla was competing with Kohli and AB de Villiers and was being compared to the great and the one and only Sachin Tendulkar himself.

Let Dhawan finish his career and then we will decide. At the moment it is obvious Dhawan is much more valuable. He is right up there with Warner, Sharma, Bairstow as among the most dangerous opening batsmen in ODI cricket.

 

[rhony]

Amla goes missing in ICC tournaments. He has mental.issues. Dhawan is a beast in those.

 

[TM Riddle]

Amla was useless in ICC tournaments. I would pick a clutch batsman like Dhawan over a minnow basher anyday.
The reason he gets rated so high on this forum are well known and they have nothing to do with his batting capabilities.

 

[the_outsider]

Since [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] always goes on about how performances in big tournaments and KOs matter so much, I would love to hear his take on this and hear his justification of how an ICC TTF like Amla is better than Dhawan.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Since [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] always goes on about how performances in big tournaments and KOs matter so much, I would love to hear his take on this and hear his justification of how an ICC TTF like Amla is better than Dhawan.

For somone who believes Amla is the 2nd best opener of All time, it shouldnt be difficult to defend him.

 

[rudra]

Compare amla and dhawan after 110 ODIs...dhawan's impact is much bigger than amla.
In 2 years he can overtake amla.

 

[Bangalorean]

Since [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] always goes on about how performances in big tournaments and KOs matter so much, I would love to hear his take on this and hear his justification of how an ICC TTF like Amla is better than Dhawan.

Different rules for different players... Should be applied as per the prejudice and bias only #NoLogic #NoFacts [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

 

[Buffet]

Let Dhawan comes near the end of his career and then compare. One is declining fast and another is at his peak. It will give unrealistic impressions. Timing of comparison is not fair.

 

[Hasan123]

Since [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] always goes on about how performances in big tournaments and KOs matter so much, I would love to hear his take on this and hear his justification of how an ICC TTF like Amla is better than Dhawan.

He shifts goal posts to suit his narrative and the same will be done here.

 

[Hasan123]

I'll take Dhwaan in ODIs.

 

[Bilal7]

He shifts goal posts to suit his narrative and the same will be done here.

For somone who believes Amla is the 2nd best opener of All time, it shouldnt be difficult to defend him.

Lol, gossiping aunties.

Since [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] always goes on about how performances in big tournaments and KOs matter so much, I would love to hear his take on this and hear his justification of how an ICC TTF like Amla is better than Dhawan.

Performance at World Cups is not the be all, end all. One should not dismiss the achievements of Waqar for not doing much at the World Cup, just like Sachin's 20 year career is not forgotten just because he choked at the final match of two World Cup tournaments.

Dhawan is an undisputed pressure-player. He's performed very well at almost every tournament he has played. However, that alone does not make him superior to Hashim Amla, who was averaging 57-59 at his peak at a SR of 90 and has enjoyed a significant period of time as the best batsman in the world.

 

[Bilal7]

Hello? Absolute rubbish to label it as trolling.

Please provide a proper reasoning as to why Amla wipes the floor with Dhawan? Else please exit the thread and let serious posters discuss the topic.

From 2008 to 2014, Amla averaged nearly 55 at a SR of 89 with 8 centuries, 13 50s and 10 MOTM awards, against AUS, ENG, PAK, IND, SL, NZ and WI. He achieved this in 56 matches. This was when he was a better batsman than Kohli and was right up there with ABD as the best in the world in ODIs.

Dhawan is definitely a fantastic opener in his own right but he hasn't taken that next step yet and thus, has never really been considered as the best batsman in the world. This is why overall I would pick Amla.

 

[the_outsider]

Performance at World Cups is not the be all, end all. One should not dismiss the achievements of Waqar for not doing much at the World Cup, just like Sachin's 20 year career is not forgotten just because he choked at the final match of two World Cup tournaments.

Dhawan is an undisputed pressure-player. He's performed very well at almost every tournament he has played. However, that alone does not make him superior to Hashim Amla, who was averaging 57-59 at his peak at a SR of 90 and has enjoyed a significant period of time as the best batsman in the world.

Well, Bilal, it seems like you have surprised us all. You have shifted the argument as usual to save your favorite players. I'm shocked!

 

[Itachi]

Lol, gossiping aunties.



Performance at World Cups is not the be all, end all. One should not dismiss the achievements of Waqar for not doing much at the World Cup, just like Sachin's 20 year career is not forgotten just because he choked at the final match of two World Cup tournaments.

Dhawan is an undisputed pressure-player. He's performed very well at almost every tournament he has played. However, that alone does not make him superior to Hashim Amla, who was averaging 57-59 at his peak at a SR of 90 and has enjoyed a significant period of time as the best batsman in the world.

You have changed goal posts as it seems.

From next time, when we compare the tests performance between amla and dhawan, I should also mention tests are not the be all. One shouldn't dismiss the achievements in ICC odi tournament.

Am I allowed to do that?

 

[Bilal7]

You have changed goal posts as it seems.

From next time, when we compare the tests performance between amla and dhawan, I should also mention tests are not the be all. One shouldn't dismiss the achievements in ICC odi tournament.

Am I allowed to do that?

You are allowed to do whatever you want but bringing ODI tournaments into a discussion about test cricket is not recommended.

 

[jaf348]

Dhawan has already achieved more in ODI cricket than the choker Amla.

 

[jusarrived]

From 2008 to 2014, Amla averaged nearly 55 at a SR of 89 with 8 centuries, 13 50s and 10 MOTM awards, against AUS, ENG, PAK, IND, SL, NZ and WI. He achieved this in 56 matches. This was when he was a better batsman than Kohli and was right up there with ABD as the best in the world in ODIs.

Dhawan is definitely a fantastic opener in his own right but he hasn't taken that next step yet and thus, has never really been considered as the best batsman in the world. This is why overall I would pick Amla.

Amla was better than Virat in ODIs at some point? Tell me this guy is not serious

 

[jusarrived]

You have changed goal posts as it seems.

From next time, when we compare the tests performance between amla and dhawan, I should also mention tests are not the be all. One shouldn't dismiss the achievements in ICC odi tournament.

Am I allowed to do that?

Amla is not a choker, he was never a good ODI bat. If you take out his knocks against WI, has not a single notable knock in his LOI career. Impact less soft runs against weak attacks, an extremely poorer version of Rohit sharma who I think is average at best.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Lol, gossiping aunties.



Performance at World Cups is not the be all, end all. One should not dismiss the achievements of Waqar for not doing much at the World Cup, just like Sachin's 20 year career is not forgotten just because he choked at the final match of two World Cup tournaments.

ROFL, why do you put Ponting ahead of Kohli in ATG XI then? At least have some consistency in your logic to save your face.

 

[BD-fan]

Averages against top 3 sides ODI teams of the decade (India/Australia/South Africa)

Vs Australia
Amla - 33 @SR79
Dhawan - 45 @SR100+

Vs India
Amla - 38 @SR85

Vs South Africa
Dhawan - 53 @SR97

Amla is insanely awesome against some oppositions. For e.g. he has absolutely bossed WI in his career. Has made 1000+ runs and averages a good 43 more than Dhawan!!

I would still believe Shikhar beats Amla due to his consistency against all oppositions and big match performances.

Where are these games played? @SA or @Ind or @Aus or @Eng? That would give you a better picture than normal stats line.

Is Jayawardene equal to AB De V in T20? Go look up stats. Clearly he is equal if not better by the stats line. In reality that is not even close.

 

[Sam99]

What about Dhawan vs Gambhir as ODI opener? That could be great comparison.

 

[topspin]

Amla was better than Virat in ODIs at some point? Tell me this guy is not serious

He also claimed Babar > Kohli prior to the NZ series on the basis of averaging 58 which was higher than Kohli's at the time.

 

[Ab Fan]

With average of 44 at a SR of 85 against non-minnows and having failed to show any mettle under the pressure situations, it can well and truly be concluded that Hashim Amla falls in "very good ODI player" category and that's all where it ends.

Shikhar Dhawan needs to maintain his form for a longer period as well, no doubt, but I think he will overtake him by the next couple of years as well.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol, gossiping aunties.



Performance at World Cups is not the be all, end all. One should not dismiss the achievements of Waqar for not doing much at the World Cup, just like Sachin's 20 year career is not forgotten just because he choked at the final match of two World Cup tournaments.

Dhawan is an undisputed pressure-player. He's performed very well at almost every tournament he has played. However, that alone does not make him superior to Hashim Amla, who was averaging 57-59 at his peak at a SR of 90 and has enjoyed a significant period of time as the best batsman in the world.

Keep on embarrassing and exposing yourself. This whole forum knows it.

Calls Kohli a choker because he hasn't scored in a knockout game but his previous Amla is ATG and not a choker despite never scoring anything significant in a ICC semi or final.

Bilal logic

 

[the_outsider]

What about Dhawan vs Gambhir as ODI opener? That could be great comparison.

Two massive clutch openers with a lot of similarities. Both struggled in tests in England. But both were/are excellent ODI openers. Gambhir has two matching-winning knocks in two WC finals so you would think he should be rated higher at this point.

 

[the_outsider]

Where are these games played? @SA or @Ind or @Aus or @Eng? That would give you a better picture than normal stats line.

Is Jayawardene equal to AB De V in T20? Go look up stats. Clearly he is equal if not better by the stats line. In reality that is not even close.

IND: Dhawan - 45 Amla - 38
SA: Dhawan - 48 Amla - 48
NZ: Dhawan - 31 Amla - 34.5
AUS: Dhawan - 43 Amla - 47.5
ENG: Dhawan - 65 Amla - 53
UAE: Dhawan - 68.5 Amla - 50
SL: Dhawan - 63 Amla - 51.5
WI: Dhawan - 26 Amla - 64
BD: Dhawan - 50 Amla - 22


PS: ABD actually seriously underperformed in T20 Internationals for SA. His T20 legacy is build mostly on his IPL career. I wouldn't be surprised if Mahela was the better international T20 batsman.

 

[the_outsider]

IND: Dhawan - 45 Amla - 38
SA: Dhawan - 48 Amla - 48
NZ: Dhawan - 31 Amla - 34.5
AUS: Dhawan - 43 Amla - 47.5
ENG: Dhawan - 65 Amla - 53
UAE: Dhawan - 68.5 Amla - 50
SL: Dhawan - 63 Amla - 51.5
WI: Dhawan - 26 Amla - 64
BD: Dhawan - 50 Amla - 22

One correction.

In SA, Amla averages 53.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla was better than Virat in ODIs at some point? Tell me this guy is not serious

I am serious:

From their debuts in 2008 to until the end of 2013, Amla averaged 55 at a SR of 92 against non-minnows away from home and in neutral venues. Kohli averaged nearly 10 points less (46) and had a much poorer SR (85). Amla was comfortably the better batsman during the first six years of their ODI careers.

During 2014 and 2015, Kohli caught up and after that, Amla became a victim of old age and slowing reflexes while Kohli improved his game and the tables turned.

ROFL, why do you put Ponting ahead of Kohli in ATG XI then? At least have some consistency in your logic to save your face.

Because Ponting is not Dhawan. You're a weird sort of fan if you think the only thing keeping Kohli below Ponting is their WC performances. The man was a beast.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I am serious:

From their debuts in 2008 to until the end of 2013, Amla averaged 55 at a SR of 92 against non-minnows away from home and in neutral venues. Kohli averaged nearly 10 points less (46) and had a much poorer SR (85). Amla was comfortably the better batsman during the first six years of their ODI careers.

During 2014 and 2015, Kohli caught up and after that, Amla became a victim of old age and slowing reflexes while Kohli improved his game and the tables turned.





Because Ponting is not Dhawan. You're a weird sort of fan if you think the only thing keeping Kohli below Ponting is their WC performances. The man was a beast.

Doesn't matter who the player is, your logic is contradictory in its core.

 

[Bilal7]

Doesn't matter who the player is, your logic is contradictory in its core.

No, it definitely matters who the player is. Steven Smith is not a better ODI batsman than Kohli simply because the former excelled at the World Cup and the latter choked. They are not at the same level because Kohli beats Smith at other key criteria. However, Ponting being a champ at World Cups puts him ahead of Kohli because even without that, the two are neck and neck. The WC performances give Ponting the extra points he needs to pull ahead.

Keep on embarrassing and exposing yourself. This whole forum knows it.

Calls Kohli a choker because he hasn't scored in a knockout game but his previous Amla is ATG and not a choker despite never scoring anything significant in a ICC semi or final.

Bilal logic

You should salute the mirror at your inability to grasp the simplest of concepts. Don't fault others for your weaknesses.

Amla is a choker, just like Kohli. Sachin is a choker too, failing at two World Cup finals and so is Waqar, albeit with a small sample size. That does not mean that these guys are not ATGs because failing in a handful of matches, spread across four years does not wipe away what these legends did on the cricket field match after match.

Just because the likes of Smith, Dhawan, Clarke, Miandad, Gilly, McCullum, etc. came off at the biggest stage does not make them automatically better because World Cup performances are not the sole factor in judging cricketers. Kohli will still go down as an ATG even if he fails at the next World Cup because of what he has done outside of that tournament. Amla will still be my second opener in an all-time XI due to the same reasons.

However, doing well at a World Cup will definitely enhance the legacy of any player and not doing so will count against even the greatest of players when the conversation is about the giants of the game.

 

[Bilal7]

With average of 44 at a SR of 85 against non-minnows and having failed to show any mettle under the pressure situations, it can well and truly be concluded that Hashim Amla falls in "very good ODI player" category and that's all where it ends.

Shikhar Dhawan needs to maintain his form for a longer period as well, no doubt, but I think he will overtake him by the next couple of years as well.

What were the averages of Sachin, Gilly, Jayasuriya, Anwar, etc against the same teams? How many openers have averaged more than 45 against the non-minnows over the same number of matches as Amla?

 

[Bilal7]

What were the averages of Sachin, Gilly, Jayasuriya, Anwar, etc against the same teams? How many openers have averaged more than 45 against the non-minnows over the same number of matches as Amla?

Not just about the era either since a quick search shows that the likes of Rohit, de Kock and Warner all average around 39-40 away from home and in neutral venues against the non-minnows. Amla averages 47.

 

[Hasan123]

No, it definitely matters who the player is. Steven Smith is not a better ODI batsman than Kohli simply because the former excelled at the World Cup and the latter choked. They are not at the same level because Kohli beats Smith at other key criteria. However, Ponting being a champ at World Cups puts him ahead of Kohli because even without that, the two are neck and neck. The WC performances give Ponting the extra points he needs to pull ahead.



You should salute the mirror at your inability to grasp the simplest of concepts. Don't fault others for your weaknesses.

Amla is a choker, just like Kohli. Sachin is a choker too, failing at two World Cup finals and so is Waqar, albeit with a small sample size. That does not mean that these guys are not ATGs because failing in a handful of matches, spread across four years does not wipe away what these legends did on the cricket field match after match.

Just because the likes of Smith, Dhawan, Clarke, Miandad, Gilly, McCullum, etc. came off at the biggest stage does not make them automatically better because World Cup performances are not the sole factor in judging cricketers. Kohli will still go down as an ATG even if he fails at the next World Cup because of what he has done outside of that tournament. Amla will still be my second opener in an all-time XI due to the same reasons.

However, doing well at a World Cup will definitely enhance the legacy of any player and not doing so will count against even the greatest of players when the conversation is about the giants of the game.

You finally admitted Amla is a choker. Well done for that. I don't agree with you how rate players but I'm glad you finally admitted that.

PS: No one who follow cricket will rank Amla as the 2nd greatest ODI opener . Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I think if 1 person thinks something and literally no one agrees with it you can safely say that you are wide off the mark.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Like Dhawan but Amla for now. Amla has been poor in last 2 years.

Both over Sharma.

 

[Bilal7]

You finally admitted Amla is a choker. Well done for that. I don't agree with you how rate players but I'm glad you finally admitted that.

PS: No one who follow cricket will rank Amla as the 2nd greatest ODI opener . Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I think if 1 person thinks something and literally no one agrees with it you can safely say that you are wide off the mark.

As usual, nothing but off-topic rants from you. My criteria has been consistent evee since I started watching cricket. Stop worrying about my opinions and move on after your usual one sentence/word analysis of the topic at hand.

 

[Balthazar]

Don't rate Amla in ODIs as he mostly score soft runs in inconsequential matches. There are so many batsmen who are better than him.

 

[Ab Fan]

What were the averages of Sachin, Gilly, Jayasuriya, Anwar, etc against the same teams? How many openers have averaged more than 45 against the non-minnows over the same number of matches as Amla?

Sachin 42, 86
Gilchrist 35, 97
Anwar 37, 81
Jayasuriya 31, 91

Different eras, different numbers. The thing with Amla is he bats at same gear all through his inning and when its time to accelerate he has failed to do so, an example, costing his team a match as well as series against Pakistan at home in 2013.

He is a little limited in One-day cricket due to that lack of gears but had he been a good pressure player, he would have still had a fair claim to be ATG and among one of the best ODI openers of all-time. Unfortunately, his legacy in ODIs is more of an accumulator who was prolific in bilaterals ODIs during the age period 25-30 but when the push came to shove, he mostly went missing and that is quite visible by his chasing record or his record in ICC tournaments.

 

[Hasan123]

As usual, nothing but off-topic rants from you. My criteria has been consistent evee since I started watching cricket. Stop worrying about my opinions and move on after your usual one sentence/word analysis of the topic at hand.

Whenever I say something you don't want to hear it becomes a rant.

I don't worry about your opinions . They are just embarssing at times and awfully biased.

 

[Hawkeye]

That's like comparing Suzuki Mehran with Corolla.

Both have different acceleration and speed. But both favorites of the nation.

 

[axis]

I believe people haven't watched Amla play..