Hassan Ali suffers re-occurrence of back injury, could be out for eight months

[MenInG]

Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.

 

[Savak]

Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.

I wonder who in the PCB is responsible for mismanaging Hasan Ali's injury?

 

[the Great Khan]

Back injuries for fast bowlers can be career ending. He may never come back as the bowler we saw a few years ago.

 

[TeymurBlake]

God this is bad news for Hasan Ali. Back injuries are difficult to come back from. Add to the fact that PCB medical department is looking after him tells you everything you need to know.

 

[b.lesner]

I heard he had been given 90kg of scott thats why, the diploma doctors in PCB don't know that hassan was lean and 90 Kg is very very impossible for him, every body has different training that they can't understand unfortunately.

 

[Ahmed216]

This might end his international career

 

[zacattakk]

Injury to Hassan Ali as mentioned by Misbah

Misbah said Hasan was also not considered because he was suffering from back injury which resurfaced on April 30. He said the PCB was helping Hasan to recover from the injury.

It is learnt that the PCB is in negotiation with doctors in Australia to take their advisory about Hasan’s back injury which could be treated by doing surgery or through rehabilitation. “Overall, it is a lengthy process for Hasan, which may take eight months,” he said.

What sort of back injury? A stress fracture?

When will Wasim Khan look in to the terrible medical services being offered to the players that have reportedly severely mismanaged many of them?

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Not played internationally since his marriage has he?

 

[Titan24]

Back injuries for fast bowlers can be career ending. He may never come back as the bowler we saw a few years ago.

God this is bad news for Hasan Ali. Back injuries are difficult to come back from. Add to the fact that PCB medical department is looking after him tells you everything you need to know.

Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.

 

[Titan24]

Not played internationally since his marriage has he?

Correct.

 

[the Great Khan]

Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.

they always tend to lose some pace..i cant see him coming back if he loses some pace..

 

[shah_1]

End of his career

 

[Titan24]

they always tend to lose some pace..i cant see him coming back if he loses some pace..

Yes you are correct but Hasan wasnt bowling 150 kph to start with like Cummins, Pattinson etc. Cummins is now in his groove and gets that extra zip and can maintain the pace around 140-145 kph pretty comfortably and can touch high 140s on occasions as well. Surely he might not be able to cross that 150 mark as commonly and comfortably as he did before injury.

Archer and Amir got injuries very early in their careers so they werent much effected by the time they debuted for their national teams. Usman Shinwari had multiple stress fractures as well and the recent one was like couple of years ago and he actually became faster after that was touching 150 kph on BBL and now he is close to his normal pace.

I am not sure how critical Hasan’s injury is, might have to do something with a back disk as I read on a website. COVID-19 will obviously slow the whole process just like it has slowed most of the things.

It will all depend upon nature of his injury, the names I have mentioned Pattinson had the worst of it and only got into field as he opted for a procedure which only Shane Bond and Corey Anderson opted for before. A surgeon in Christchurch who literally uses wire and screws.

Bumrah is also struggling with his natural zip to an extent but yes it takes time and effort to recover from a back injury.

If Hassan is treated properly he can again ball in that 140 kph zone.

 

[Savak]

I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury

Scary injury bro.

How are you these days? From a 0 to 100% pre-injury scale?

 

[Forum363]

Misbah and the management need to be clear about what caused this injury. Reports of him being asked to deadlift high weights etc cannot be ignored.

Just like Umar has finally been held accountable for his actions, the people responsible here also need to be. In my opinion, being careless with training regimes leading to player injury and a possible lifetime of health issues is as serious as spot fixing.

 

[TrentDevil]

Although PCB has a history of mismanaging players when it comes to injuries and rehabilitation. Players are equally responsible for it, Hassan was doing Fashion Shows, pulling off his crazy celebration on the stage, all this while he was officially asked to rest, on top of that he played entire PSL, which he should never have done knowing his back problem. It's better to sit out for a period of 3-6 months then to just end your career by not taking proper care.

 

[Snowflake]

No matter what Misbah says regarding ticking off all the boxes before Hassan made his PSL return, someone somewhere botched his rehab. There is no way that he was 100% ready and he suffered the rib fracture and then his injury flared up as soon as he came back.

Players complaining about the lack of expertise when it comes to injury management/rehab have a valid point. We've seen far too many cases like these. So sad that talented players have their career either ended or severely dented due to PCB's unprofessionalism.

 

[Mo Dipsy]

Hasan has a herniated disc (bulging/slipped disc). This is a serious injury especially if the disc keeps protruding. There is no cure-all treatment for this. Physio, chiro, massage, cortisone injections etc. can only manage the symptoms but ultimately if the protrusion is really bad, then surgery is performed to remove the portion that keeps protruding and impinging on the sciatic nerve. While surgery may relieve pain there is a very high chance that the intact portion of the disc protrudes again (the part that was not removed by surgery). This disc cannot be replaced or regenerated. Removing it entirely means severe restriction of back movement. I fear for Hasan. Even sports professionals that have unlimited amounts of money and medical resources with this condition (like Tiger Woods) have struggled with this condition and undergone multiple surgeries.

Source: I had a similar injury for 8 years and was offered surgery. After reading two books by back surgeons, talking to back specialists and to people who had gone through this surgery, I decided against it because of the risk factors and high chance of re-herniation/protrusion. Its a tough condition to live with. At its worst, you can't even bend 15 degrees to brush your teeth and need help changing sides at night when sleeping.

 

[Snowflake]

Although PCB has a history of mismanaging players when it comes to injuries and rehabilitation. Players are equally responsible for it, Hassan was doing Fashion Shows, pulling off his crazy celebration on the stage, all this while he was officially asked to rest, on top of that he played entire PSL, which he should never have done knowing his back problem. It's better to sit out for a period of 3-6 months then to just end your career by not taking proper care.

It's practically impossible to self-evaluate an injury. One might be "feeling" 100% but it is only the experts who truly know the status of your injury. So, blaming Hassan for playing the PSL isn't fair - it should be the people who allowed him to do that that should be held accountable.

 

[Mo Dipsy]

Hasan has a herniated disc (bulging/slipped disc). This is a serious injury especially if the disc keeps protruding. There is no cure-all treatment for this. Physio, chiro, massage, cortisone injections etc. can only manage the symptoms but ultimately if the protrusion is really bad, then surgery is performed to remove the portion that keeps protruding and impinging on the sciatic nerve. While surgery may relieve pain there is a very high chance that the intact portion of the disc protrudes again (the part that was not removed by surgery). This disc cannot be replaced or regenerated. Removing it entirely means severe restriction of back movement. I fear for Hasan. Even sports professionals that have unlimited amounts of money and medical resources with this condition (like Tiger Woods) have struggled with this condition and undergone multiple surgeries.

Source: I had a similar injury for 8 years and was offered surgery. After reading two books by back surgeons, talking to back specialists and to people who had gone through this surgery, I decided against it because of the risk factors and high chance of re-herniation/protrusion. Its a tough condition to live with. At its worst, you can't even bend 15 degrees to brush your teeth and need help changing sides at night when sleeping.

I should add that without surgery, the disc can naturally "slip" back into place over weeks (mild cases) or several months/1-2 years (majority of serious cases). I think genetics are the main reason for Hasan's injury (he's just prone to it) and secondary reason could be improper weight training and the toll that fast bowling takes on your discs.

 

[Titan24]

I should add that without surgery, the disc can naturally "slip" back into place over weeks (mild cases) or several months/1-2 years (majority of serious cases). I think genetics are the main reason for Hasan's injury (he's just prone to it) and secondary reason could be improper weight training and the toll that fast bowling takes on your discs.

Just shows how difficult it is to be a fast bowler and have a long career as definitely it takes a toll on overall body. Reinforces the fact that the ATG fast bowlers are not only great because of their stats but also because of their longevity and to efforts to maintain fitness.

 

[TrentDevil]

It's practically impossible to self-evaluate an injury. One might be "feeling" 100% but it is only the experts who truly know the status of your injury. So, blaming Hassan for playing the PSL isn't fair - it should be the people who allowed him to do that that should be held accountable.

I also pointed out some things before PSL fiasco, this is becoming a norm now, players who are out throughout the year and play no cricket are suddenly 'fit' or ready to play in PSL, same is the case with Rumman Raees, he hasn't played any major cricket for 2 years except PSL.

Naseem Shah was injured also before the PSL, and was asked to rest for 2 games, which is a joke, afterwards he played every game for QG.
It might be the pressure from franchises, but it's not possible without the willingness of players themselves, this seriously needs to stop.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Pat Cummins, Mohammad Amir, Joefra Archer, James Pattinson, Usman Shinwari, Jasprit Bumrah are few examples of fast bowlers facing back injuries at different stages of their careers and coming back. So if he is willing to put in the hard yards he should be back.

Well that's the thing, if he's willing to put the hard yards in or go the T20 circuit which is also likely when he's fit.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

8 months he's already missed the last 12 months
Not sure we'll see hasan ali again in a pakistani shirt especially given the new faster youngsters like hasnain and naseem

 

[Savak]

Hasan Ali will have to live a very disciplined lifestyle and embrace pain management for the rest of his life. Just like how diabetics deal with diabetes

 

[Saj]

You have to look at the people who have been managing this injury and question and analyse the job they have done with Hassan.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

8 months he's already missed the last 12 months
Not sure we'll see hasan ali again in a pakistani shirt especially given the new faster youngsters like hasnain and naseem

Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.

 

[Forum363]

You have to look at the people who have been managing this injury and question and analyse the job they have done with Hassan.

We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?

 

[shamaan]

Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.

Hence the reason why he didnt play back to back tests against austrlia they are trying to pick and choose when to play him which is right thing to do

 

[shamaan]

We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?

Maybe that's th next step for wasim hes making small steps

 

[Forum363]

Maybe that's th next step for wasim hes making small steps

This corona issue has given Misbah a bit of a breather but it’s about time he’s bought to task for some of the inconsistent and baffling decisions he’s made.

Wasim has to own up to the mistake he made in appointing an unqualified person as the coach/ chief selector.

 

[shamaan]

This corona issue has given Misbah a bit of a breather but it’s about time he’s bought to task for some of the inconsistent and baffling decisions he’s made.

Wasim has to own up to the mistake he made in appointing an unqualified person as the coach/ chief selector.

Not every decision he makes will be right !

 

[ahmadharis1]

End of his international career.

 

[Eye_Done]

I suffered from a herniated disc Sciatica in 2017 so i know full well how painful, debilitating, frustrating and depressing the condition can get. Regardless of whether Hasan Ali has a contract or not, i hope the PCB doesn't leave him out to dry for his injury

I also have herniated disc in back. Did you had surgery?

 

[angrypathan]

PCB Medical Department ruins another career.

 

[Savak]

I also have herniated disc in back. Did you had surgery?

Nope. Thankfully managed to avoid it. But the pain was so severe at one point that i seriously contemplated it because i was tired of taking painkillers and being overtly dependent on painkillers. But 7-8 months later the pain declined by 80-90% and the nuerologist mentioned this is natural due to fibrosis taking over and the herniated disc is no longer in contact with the nerve.

However occasionally the feeling of discomfort and back fatigue happens whenever i do excessive physical work or stand for hours due to which i then take comfort in just lying my back and resting it. What i really observed being helpful for my back was when i was going to the gym and doing some daily back exercises.

 

[Saj]

The added problem is, even when he comes back, will he be the same bowler he once was. Many bowlers have come back from such injuries, a pale shadow of who they were.

 

[Saj]

We say this every time, but when was the last time someone in PCB was held accountable for anything? Big or small?

And this is the problem.

They must have some serious connections.

 

[Titan24]

And this is the problem.

They must have some serious connections.

True. Maybe another part of PCB which should be taken to courts with all its history of treatment or lack of it for almost 2 decades without any substantial change.

 

[Asifnow]

What is up with PCB medical?? This is the 3rd major injury for Hasan now. Why was he put through training and playing in the PSL?

 

[shah_1]

This high performance center will be a joke unless they revamp the medical team.

 

[Saj]

I thought with the new PCB regime, one of the first things they would have done was to re-vamp the medical team and staff.

 

[Junaids]

This could be the making of his career.

Nobody has any use for a 5'8 tall Number 10 slogger and fast-medium bowler. Too short.

But when the only alternative is Faheem Ashraf, Hasan Ali could have a career as a Number 7 batsman who can defend his end and bowl as the fourth seamer in SENA and third seamer in Asia.

Hopefully Hasan Ali will go away and work like a madman on his batting. Because Pakistan could really do with a bottom half of the order run every format of:

6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Hasan Ali
9. Zafar Gohar or Salid Khan (Asia) / Ehsan Adil (SENA)
10. Naseem Shah
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

But this depends upon his batting, not his bowling.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.

By then we will probably have a replacement
Sameen gul or musa khan will probably be ready for selection by then

 

[shamaan]

Naseems action is scary + his height will play a part. It looks to me as if he is bending his back too much to generate pace which in the long run is not good.

It is scary but I dont think they going to overuse him maybe just tests and possibly global events

 

[sweep_shot]

Have we seen the last of Hassan Ali in international cricket? Pakistan seems to have much better options currently.

 

[shamaan]

By then we will probably have a replacement
Sameen gul or musa khan will probably be ready for selection by then

They will look after naseem trust me waqar loves him.musa khan needs alot of work

 

[MenInG]

News reports indicate that The Pakistan Cricket Board is facing difficulties in sending pacer Hasan Ali abroad for specialist treatment for a back injury due to the coronavirus-linked global travel restrictions

 

[The Viper]

Fast bowler Hasan Ali has responded positively to the virtual rehabilitation session for his latest back injury and his specialists expect he will not require a surgery and may also return to competitive cricket sooner than expected.

Hasan last week underwent a two-hour online rehabilitation session under the supervision of Lahore-based neurosurgeon Asif Bashir, leading spinal therapist Prof. Peter O’Sullivan of Australia and the Pakistan Cricket Board medical team.

The panel was encouraged with the outcomes of the opening session and will continue to closely monitor Hasan’s progress over the next five weeks before deciding next steps.

Dr Sohail Saleem, PCB Director – Medical and Sports Sciences, said: “Hasan Ali picking up injuries around the same area twice in less than a year was not a normal thing. Consequently, we consulted some of the best and most experienced specialists and it is heartening to hear their feedback following the opening online rehabilitation session in which Hasan showed no signs of symptomatic regression.

“However, these are early days of his rehabilitation programme and we will continue to monitor his progress for the next five weeks before collectively making future decisions. But one thing is for certain, he is under the treatment of the very best in the business and hopefully he will return fitter and stronger to competitive cricket without any surgery.”

 

[Titan24]

Any updates regarding recovery and return? Good option to have on the bench even for tests considering his some ability with the bat as well.

 

[Mueez]

Any updates regarding recovery and return? Good option to have on the bench even for tests considering his some ability with the bat as well.

Can also reverse the ball.

I just hope he works hard on his cricket.

 

[Titan24]

Can also reverse the ball.

I just hope he works hard on his cricket.

True, he definitely needs to put in hard yards. He is around 25-26 which is prime or near prime age for any bowler. He has good amount of FC experience and reasonable international experience as well behind him. As you have mentioned he can reverse the old ball as well has hit a few important runs lower down the order.

Except Aus and SA where I think its tougher for bowlers who are not tall he can be handy in tests in most of the other conditions around.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Should play some First Class games before even thinking about returning to the Pakistani team.

Need both Amir and Hasan back for SENA tests to balance the side. Both Shaheen and Naseem are kids who still need a lot of FC games under their belts to improve their bowling temperament. They can compete for one place.

 

[Savak]

In Pakistan, the guys on the bench or outside the team are always better than the playing 11

 

[Saj]

I was chatting to someone who Hassan has had to refer to.

This is another example of mismanagement of a player's injury by PCB.

PCB saying he needs surgery, then saying he doesn't, then he does, then he doesn't.

 

[asadee]

Hassan didn't exactly set the world on fire in test matches even during his peak form

 

[Energy]

Any updates regarding recovery and return? Good option to have on the bench even for tests considering his some ability with the bat as well.

At the moment he is very busy chilling in Dubai on PCB payroll. Has a lot of ability in that regard too.

 

[Titan24]

In Pakistan, the guys on the bench or outside the team are always better than the playing 11

Hassan didn't exactly set the world on fire in test matches even during his peak form

He is definitely not a world beater but did decently especially in UAE, was okish in couple of matches in Eng and did well in one match in WI. Thing is he averaged 28 overall with ball, can also provide a bit of runs lower down the order but most importantly he is around 26 (Breaking the current imbalance of the team with two extremes) and has 30+ FC matches under his belt after excluding the tests.

 

[The Viper]

Hasan Ali took 3/40 vs Sindh.

Pleasing to see him back and performing well.

 

[Rana]

Shouldn’t be written off. He is young enough to go far and achieve a lot for Pakistan. His stats are still very good.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Shouldn’t be written off. He is young enough to go far and achieve a lot for Pakistan. His stats are still very good.

If he works on his batting, he can easily become a decent bowling all rounder. Especially since Faheem and Amad Butt are the only bowling all rounders in the country under the age of 30. To be honest even Amad Butt is more of a batting all-rounder so doesn’t add much balance in Test cricket.

We are really desperate for a good 3rd or 4th pacer who regularly contributes 20 runs down the order.

 

[Goooby]

If he works on his batting, he can easily become a decent bowling all rounder. Especially since Faheem and Amad Butt are the only bowling all rounders in the country under the age of 30. To be honest even Amad Butt is more of a batting all-rounder so doesn’t add much balance in Test cricket.

We are really desperate for a good 3rd or 4th pacer who regularly contributes 20 runs down the order.

While I agree that he can become a decent bowling allrounder, I do think his focus rn needs to be just on his bowling. When it becomes good enough that he can be selected purely on his bowling thats when he should also focus on batting. Rn, he just needs to at the very least get back to his best to even be up for contention.

I would love for him to take heaps of wickets and get selected for NZ, a bowler than can swing their bat and add valuable runs in those conditions is absolutely golden.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

If he works on his batting, he can easily become a decent bowling all rounder. Especially since Faheem and Amad Butt are the only bowling all rounders in the country under the age of 30. To be honest even Amad Butt is more of a batting all-rounder so doesn’t add much balance in Test cricket.

We are really desperate for a good 3rd or 4th pacer who regularly contributes 20 runs down the order.

No. I would have let him play as a specialist 1st change bowler in ODI/T20. This allrounder experiment doesn't work out for everyone. Irfan Pathan, Anwar ali are examples where their career went downhill.

 

[aloo paratha]

He can still be a vital piece of our team in all 3 formats. 3rd pacer slot in ODI and T20 teams is still pretty open. As for tests, Hasan surely would've done better than Naseem in England.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Hasan Ali took 3/40 vs Sindh.

Pleasing to see him back and performing well.

Great to see. Hope he can stay healthy.