"Having 2 new balls in one day cricket is a perfect recipe for disaster" : Sachin Tendulkar

[DeadBall]

"Having 2 new balls in one day cricket is a perfect recipe for disaster" : Sachin Tendulkar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having 2 new balls in one day cricket is a perfect recipe for disaster as each ball is not given the time to get old enough to reverse. We haven’t seen reverse swing, an integral part of the death overs, for a long time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsAUS</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1009889444663472128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Kroll]

Nah, made it more entertaining, who doesn't enjoy watching more sixes/fours and ramp shots.

 

[Titan24]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Having 2 new balls in one day cricket is a perfect recipe for disaster as each ball is not given the time to get old enough to reverse. We haven’t seen reverse swing, an integral part of the death overs, for a long time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvsAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvsAUS</a></p>— Sachin Tendulkar (@sachin_rt) <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt/status/1009889444663472128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2018</a></blockquote>
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He is saying the same thing as I said on PP two days ago in the 3rd ODI match of Eng vs Aus.

 

[Titan24]

Nah, made it more entertaining, who doesn't enjoy watching more sixes/fours and ramp shots.

Having the restriction of 4 fielders outside the circle till 40th over is enough to play all kinds of shots but, with reverse swing only the best will be able to hit it that easily.

 

[DeadBall]

He is saying the same thing as I said on PP two days ago in the 3rd ODI match of Eng vs Aus.

Certainly more important than when SRT said it. Apologies for not giving it the deserved attention

 

[mmkextreme_1]

He is right, surprised that he made such a comment.

Wholeheartedly agree, 2 new ball rule needs to abolished.

 

[Ahson8]

He is right, surprised that he made such a comment.

Wholeheartedly agree, 2 new ball rule needs to abolished.

He doesn't want his records to be broken

 

[Titan24]

Certainly more important than when SRT said it. Apologies for not giving it the deserved attention

No worries. Note it for future. Great minds think alike.

 

[Friend786]

Hypocrite, why didn't he say anything when Sehwag and Rohit were smashing 200s?

 

[Titan24]

Hypocrite, why didn't he say anything when Sehwag and Rohit were smashing 200s?

Now this thread is gonna blossom with justifications from across the border.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Been saying it since introduction. They've also taken a layer of lacquer off so the balls don't swing for too long. Considering the kookaburra doesn't swing much in the first place. You get like 6-10 overs of swing in total, and that too in ideal conditions. The kookaburra has a low seam which means it needs more air friction and revolutions for it to move sideways. That's why you often see it swing in coastal cities in Aus, SA and NZ where there's just the right amount of turbulence, but only at night in other places.

 

[Sadevdesai]

To the contrary, I think, it evened the Odds !!!!!!

 

[Boi]

Sachin finally makes a decent suggestion.

Been banging on about it for ages but surely they can come up with a decent enough white cricket ball that can last 50 overs without becoming 'unsightable' so we can do away with this 2 new balls rubbish? So much money in the game but still can't get a cricket ball right. Fix up ICC.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Yes more than any other rule, been saying it for years. They just got lazy and didn’t want to change the ball in the 34th over. Only real reason for the change

 

[giri26]

Yes it has and I had mentioned this in the commercialisation thread as well. The two new balls have completely eliminated reverse swing and bowlers have been struggling to control runs at the death.

 

[badxhah]

Hes right about the part he hasnt seen reverse swing in long time.Even when they used One ball cant remember when Indian bowler reversed the ball

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reason why we don’t produce many attacking fast bowlers..They all very defensive in their approach...always looking for change ups..totally agree with you <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a> reverse swing is almost vanished.. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAD?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAD</a> <a href="https://t.co/hPHoMXujcr">https://t.co/hPHoMXujcr</a></p>— Waqar Younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/1009912406431002624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21 June 2018</a></blockquote>
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[WhenSultansBowled]

Well said Little Master. ODI cricket is basically T20's extended mode.

SRT also suggested 2 innings ODIs. Which sounds interesting.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Its painful to watch ODI cricket these days.

 

[Hitman]

I miss ODI cricket of the 90's. Low scoring thrillers are extinct now. Back in the 90's, chasing 300 was a herculean task. Now it's a joke.

 

[Sam99]

It was in his mind to say this but that almost 500 score by england vs aus made him tweet this. They made cricket really easy in this 5 - 6 years span in odis. There are many players who should avg in 40s now avg 50+

 

[Dingolfy]

Hes right about the part he hasnt seen reverse swing in long time.Even when they used One ball cant remember when Indian bowler reversed the ball

Zaheer did it in the 2011 WC and was one of the reasons for our WC win.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hypocrite, why didn't he say anything when Sehwag and Rohit were smashing 200s?

Even now he doesn't have to say it. Anyway Rohit/Sehwag would have done that new or old ball as Sehwag was doing that in Test match where there were no 2 new balls. Rohit sharma's problem is not old ball lol His problem is new ball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I doubt they would have gotten that much against guys like Mitch Starc.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I would actually agree. The two new bowls is really a massive for the bowling team.

 

[babajee]

I miss ODI cricket of the 90's. Low scoring thrillers are extinct now. Back in the 90's, chasing 300 was a herculean task. Now it's a joke.

You should just watch Pakistan bat then.

 

[Titan24]

They can keep the 4 filders outside till 40th over restriction but we have seen to two thrilling aspects of cricket doosra (due to other factors) and reverse swing (due to two new balls rule) totally going out of park in LOIs.

Since these rules many 200s by individual batsmen and 400s by teams have been scored. More importantly this is only gonna demoralize youngsters to become fast bowlers.

 

[the Great Khan]

He is right. I'm sick of watching this sort of stuff. We need reverse swing back. However isn't it interesting that Pakistan still found a way to completely neuter the middle overs, even with two new balls??

 

[zn426]

He is right. I'm sick of watching this sort of stuff. We need reverse swing back. However isn't it interesting that Pakistan still found a way to completely neuter the middle overs, even with two new balls??

Accurate, and well thought out bowling (whether from a quick or a spinner) will hinder any batting side whether the ball is new or old. Pakistan just changed the mindset by deciding that instead of controlling the run rate, the key to the middle overs is to attack, attack, attack with the ball. It's the only way to keep the batting side on their back heels-saying "we will control the run rate" is basically saying "we are going to let you stay and build an innings, and get burned at the death."

 

[the Great Khan]

Accurate, and well thought out bowling (whether from a quick or a spinner) will hinder any batting side whether the ball is new or old. Pakistan just changed the mindset by deciding that instead of controlling the run rate, the key to the middle overs is to attack, attack, attack with the ball. It's the only way to keep the batting side on their back heels-saying "we will control the run rate" is basically saying "we are going to let you stay and build an innings, and get burned at the death."

Indeed..I wonder if this will work in the UAE? Will we use more attacking spinners in the middle overs?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Good suggestion.I agree with him.2 new balls rule needs to be abolished.No use of 2 balls for 50 overs.

 

[happydavy]

For the first time since he debuted, he has publicly made a statesman like point. Otherwise he has always been too politically correct.

 

[cricketworm]

Not only for reverse swing. Old ball is easier to grip for spinners, and wrist spinners come in to play. They can choke batsmen for runs.

I was in favour of 2 new balls, not anymore.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He is the greatest of all time. When he speaks the cricket world listens.

ICC must do something about it.

 

[Savak]

I wonder how different would things have been for Umar Gul, Wahab and Malinga from 2011 onwards had the 2 new ball rule in ODI's not been there.

 

[hadi123]

He is the greatest of all time. When he speaks the cricket world listens.

ICC must do something about it.

He also suggested something like splitting ODI's into 25 over innings or something a while ago. That was an awful idea and thankfully nothing came of it.

 

[slipcatch]

Still trying to figure out how high scoring games are more entertaining than 'nail biting' matches where any team could win until the last delivery is bowled.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I miss those days of reverse swing and spin dominance in the middle overs.

ODI cricket actually used to be good.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Been saying it since introduction. They've also taken a layer of lacquer off so the balls don't swing for too long. Considering the kookaburra doesn't swing much in the first place. You get like 6-10 overs of swing in total, and that too in ideal conditions. The kookaburra has a low seam which means it needs more air friction and revolutions for it to move sideways. That's why you often see it swing in coastal cities in Aus, SA and NZ where there's just the right amount of turbulence, but only at night in other places.

2 new balls but the bigger reason explained above. Jahils in ICC, PCB etc should ask for your assistance, really.

 

[sam_ahm]

I hope the ICC listens to Sachin Tendulkar at least.

ODIs used to be so good and entertaining. Never thought they would become this boring, just an elongated T20 innings.

 

[zn426]

Indeed..I wonder if this will work in the UAE? Will we use more attacking spinners in the middle overs?

That's the question isn't it? I would suspect CMA wants to get the team playing back in Pakistan as soon as possible. The dust bowls in the UAE just aren't favorable to what he wants the team to look like. I Hope he's learned to play at least two spinners in the UAE.

 

[zn426]

I hope the ICC listens to Sachin Tendulkar at least.

ODIs used to be so good and entertaining. Never thought they would become this boring, just an elongated T20 innings.

It's SRT and India. When they speak of a rules change, I think the ICC will start listening.

 

[talha3]

I wonder how different would things have been for Umar Gul, Wahab and Malinga from 2011 onwards had the 2 new ball rule in ODI's not been there.

Very good point. Particularly Wahab as the other two had already played and enjoyed most of their careers under the old rules. Wahab had shown glimpses of his skill with the old ball before the rule came in.

I'm no fan of Wahab but this rule hurt him more than most other bowlers in world cricket.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Have bowling machines in the middle. Wouldn’t be much different with the way cricket is now.

The CT last year was wonderful because we bowled so beautifully on dry used pitches v SA and England and also on a seaming pitch v SL. We used that confidence to win the final too.

Sadly, the Pak CT performances are a product of a bygone era as now teams are happy to have batting heavy teams looking to score massive totals. No reverse swing and less spin on flat decks has become boring. Bring back 1 new ball!! Make the pitches either drier or greener!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's SRT and India. When they speak of a rules change, I think the ICC will start listening.

Not really. BCCI were always against this stupid rule. It's the SENA countries that wanted this desperately .

 

[Bhaijaan]

He also suggested something like splitting ODI's into 25 over innings or something a while ago. That was an awful idea and thankfully nothing came of it.

It is a GREAT idea!

In backyard cricket your bhaijaan has been playing 5 over test cricket since many years. Its far more exciting.

Tendulkar has an innovative mind. No wonder he became the greatest ever.

 

[Blitz]

I'm with Sachin on this one.

We simply cannot have his records being broken so easily.

 

[ManFan]

Thought this was obvious.

 

[Hasan123]

2 new balls hasn't helped improved LO at all. Should go back to 1 ball and also increase the size of the boundaries.

 

[Ab Fan]

I agree with SRT here. We dont want FTBs to succeed at highest level.

 

[The_Odd_One]

All recent ODI rule changes have benefited batsmen only. Time to get rid of these idiotic ideas like 2 new balls, free hit, additional power play, etc.

 

[Saj]

The rules are so heavily stacked in favour of batsmen, it's becoming ridiculous.

Restricted field placings, 2 new balls, restrictions on bouncers.

Who'd want to be a bowler.

 

[Tusker]

The rules are so heavily stacked in favour of batsmen, it's becoming ridiculous.

Restricted field placings, 2 new balls, restrictions on bouncers.

Who'd want to be a bowler.

If only we started appreciating bowlers like Starc who have surreal stats which are comparable to bowlers from the supposedly bowler friendly conditions. Instead all we see here is ridicule for the Modern bowlers by the usual suspects.

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[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">481 is great but now it is time to end two-ball folly ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a>⁩ ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/StuartBroad8?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StuartBroad8</a>⁩<a href="https://t.co/O5FOtxnTbU">https://t.co/O5FOtxnTbU</a></p>— Mike atherton (@Athersmike) <a href="https://twitter.com/Athersmike/status/1010078083913744384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I find reverse swing really exciting to watch, I’d like to see it back in the white ball game</p>— Stuart Broad (@StuartBroad8) <a href="https://twitter.com/StuartBroad8/status/1010079948491689984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Justcrazy]

England are playing well but still feel that ICC should look to bring more balance between ball and bat otherwise it will kill OD format as well.

 

[Savage]

It is a GREAT idea!

In backyard cricket your bhaijaan has been playing 5 over test cricket since many years. Its far more exciting.

Tendulkar has an innovative mind. No wonder he became the greatest ever.

I still don't understand why so many people hate that idea of splitting ODI match into 25 overs.It will reduce any advantage teams have whether batting first or second.Also,Both teams will be affected by dew factor instead of one team.

 

[happydavy]

Unfortunately in cricket people who matter are ex-cricketers in their 40s, 50s and 60s, most of whom have no clue what the new world wants. Any game, product, idea survives on how the young generation takes it. While it's a good idea to have only 1 new ball, if anyone thinks it will make ODIS watchable again is living a pipe dream. Baring ICC events, there is absolutely nothing left in ODIs to watch. I went to India sa odi in mumbai a couple of years back, and 50% of stadium was empty. There was a time when people will reach stadium 3-4 hours in advance, now most people can't care less about a random ODI being played between India and Sa in a bilateral series. There's no context to it plus it takes a lot to do nothing for the entire day and just watch a game. iCC and ex players can keep trying wotever they want, crowds are not going to return to stadiums. Similarly this stupid stupid hypothesis that day night cricket will bring crowd to stadiums, really?? As if people have nothing better to do in night but to sit in stadiums watching a game which takes 5 days to produce a result and get bored in the process.

 

[hadi123]

What a match between England and Australia! We need more games like that and less run fests

 

[aloo paratha]

So much discussion about this nowadays, surely ICC will act.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Unfortunately in cricket people who matter are ex-cricketers in their 40s, 50s and 60s, most of whom have no clue what the new world wants. Any game, product, idea survives on how the young generation takes it. While it's a good idea to have only 1 new ball, if anyone thinks it will make ODIS watchable again is living a pipe dream. Baring ICC events, there is absolutely nothing left in ODIs to watch. I went to India sa odi in mumbai a couple of years back, and 50% of stadium was empty. There was a time when people will reach stadium 3-4 hours in advance, now most people can't care less about a random ODI being played between India and Sa in a bilateral series. There's no context to it plus it takes a lot to do nothing for the entire day and just watch a game. iCC and ex players can keep trying wotever they want, crowds are not going to return to stadiums. Similarly this stupid stupid hypothesis that day night cricket will bring crowd to stadiums, really?? As if people have nothing better to do in night but to sit in stadiums watching a game which takes 5 days to produce a result and get bored in the process.

are you talking about Final match of the Ind-SA series in 2015? If yes, it’s shocking to know that!! The stadium looked full when we watched in tv though...

 

[Pete Rose]

I am ok with it, as long they take off bouncer limits and go back to 2 powerplays

 

[giri26]

Two new balls was always a recipe for disaster. If the ball doesn't go old at all, there will be no reverse. The batsman can just keep planting his foot down and keep hitting if the pitches are flat.