Hazard vs Coutinho

[PakLFC]

So? You could say the same about our backline, Terry,Cahill,Moses and Matic looked terrible last season and Conte's philosophy has competely changed that.

Everyone was saying that they should retire/sold and that they're time at Chelsea is gone, but without even getting ANY of his defensive options he wanted (other than maybe Alonso considering he was from Serie A) in the summer he has made us have the best defense in the league at the moment.

People say Chelsea just gave Conte a massive warchest, but in reality, Conte doesn't even have control over transfers, which is why Michy for example, was bought.

Liverpool spent £69.90m this season, which is a pretty decent figure, but I feel like if Milner gets injured, Liverpool will leak goals with Moreno at LB, which might make you lot regret not buying a LB and actually spending around £15-25m more.

Only that we beat you at your place already with our superior attack versus your good defence. Overall Chelsea spend far more then Liverpool do and you know it. At the time of writing we are top of the league, I don't know how much Chelsea spent during the close season but we made more by selling then we did buying. I don't think you spent as little as we did during the closed season? Well that's your problem if Conte doesn't have control over his transfers. Italians generally play a negative brand of Football anyway where as German's do an attacking one .

We signed Mane for £30 million that was our major signing. Again we sold the likes of Allen, Jordan Ibe and Benteke as well making a overall profit. http://www.thisisanfield.com/season/liverpool-fc-transfers-season-201617/ I agree that we are vulnerable at back with Moreno being a major concern. Hopefully we'll sign a left back in January that we need. If we can do without one since August then can survive another few weeks with Milner or Moreno playing there as well.

 

[WC-Passion]

Only that we beat you at your place already with our superior attack versus your good defence. Overall Chelsea spend far more then Liverpool do and you know it. At the time of writing we are top of the league, I don't know how much Chelsea spent during the close season but we made more by selling then we did buying. I don't think you spent as little as we did during the closed season? Well that's your problem if Conte doesn't have control over his transfers. Italians generally play a negative brand of Football anyway where as German's do an attacking one .

We signed Mane for £30 million that was our major signing. Again we sold the likes of Allen, Jordan Ibe and Benteke as well making a overall profit. http://www.thisisanfield.com/season/liverpool-fc-transfers-season-201617/ I agree that we are vulnerable at back with Moreno being a major concern. Hopefully we'll sign a left back in January that we need. If we can do without one since August then can survive another few weeks with Milner or Moreno playing there as well.

How did we have a "good defence" vs Liverpool? Liverpool are lucky that they faced us before Conte brought the 3-4-3. It wouldn't have been the same result imo.

The only reason why we didn't sell anyone is because a new manager is coming in and most of the time they can't assess the squad situation straight away during pre-season, or just in general, in the first few months of getting the job. You didn't see Klopp making profits in his first transfer window did you? It's a normal process.

You can't stereotype Conte, he's one of the best managers in the world and he's not playing negative at all, 16 goals in the last 5 games is far from negative, and you have to remember this is his preferred way of playing instead of the outdated 4-2-3-1 system we were playing. We have much better defensive than Liverpool and a similar attack (Pedro-Hazard-Costa with 18 goals 10 assists, and Firmino-Coutinh-Mane with 16 goals and 10 assists, but Can has scored some and everyone in the Liverpool first team has scored apart from Clyne and Klavan IIRC, even so, Matic has 5 assists and Moses has chipped in too with around 3 goals so it's up in the air). It's been around 8 months since Liverpool last kept a clean sheet away from home, and that was against Villa too.

I'm not saying Milner is a bad LB at all, he's quite good there and is very versatile, just overlooked because he's not a flashy player. The problem is, that when he gets injured, you're forced to play Moreno, which is when Liverpool will start to struggle like last season (the Europa League final was a good example).

I'm not sure if Liverpool will get a LB in January but they need some reinforcements to the squad. Mane won't be available with the African Cup going on in January, and I highly doubt Liverpool have anyone nearly as effective as him waiting to get a chance. It's going to be a difficult period in 2017 for Liverpool with the tired legs (Liverpool have ran the most out of any team atm in the Premier League) and the African Cup.

 

[PakLFC]

How did we have a "good defence" vs Liverpool? Liverpool are lucky that they faced us before Conte brought the 3-4-3. It wouldn't have been the same result imo.

The only reason why we didn't sell anyone is because a new manager is coming in and most of the time they can't assess the squad situation straight away during pre-season, or just in general, in the first few months of getting the job. You didn't see Klopp making profits in his first transfer window did you? It's a normal process.

You can't stereotype Conte, he's one of the best managers in the world and he's not playing negative at all, 16 goals in the last 5 games is far from negative, and you have to remember this is his preferred way of playing instead of the outdated 4-2-3-1 system we were playing. We have much better defensive than Liverpool and a similar attack (Pedro-Hazard-Costa with 18 goals 10 assists, and Firmino-Coutinh-Mane with 16 goals and 10 assists, but Can has scored some and everyone in the Liverpool first team has scored apart from Clyne and Klavan IIRC, even so, Matic has 5 assists and Moses has chipped in too with around 3 goals so it's up in the air). It's been around 8 months since Liverpool last kept a clean sheet away from home, and that was against Villa too.

I'm not saying Milner is a bad LB at all, he's quite good there and is very versatile, just overlooked because he's not a flashy player. The problem is, that when he gets injured, you're forced to play Moreno, which is when Liverpool will start to struggle like last season (the Europa League final was a good example).

I'm not sure if Liverpool will get a LB in January but they need some reinforcements to the squad. Mane won't be available with the African Cup going on in January, and I highly doubt Liverpool have anyone nearly as effective as him waiting to get a chance. It's going to be a difficult period in 2017 for Liverpool with the tired legs (Liverpool have ran the most out of any team atm in the Premier League) and the African Cup.

You are the one who is talking off a good defence. As far as I am concerned Conte was the manager when we beat you, right? He may have changed the system after the defeat that is a different matter altogether. Klopp has not spent much in any transfer window yet as far as I know because he is not a cheque book manager. Even at Dortmund he normally bought average or supposedly lesser players turning them in to better ones. He has done the same at Liverpool with the likes of Lallana.

You do have a better defence but our attack is way better then yours. Our defence is poor that is why we can't keep clean sheets, I am okay with that providing we keep scoring. This will only become a problem if we can't score that is something unthinkable at the moment. We're playing three up front in Coutinho, Firminho and Mane with Sturridge and Origi warming the bench. Still have Danny Inges to return from injury as well. Hazard is a brilliant player as is Costa but you don't have the same slick movement up front that we do,

Milner for me is not a left beck. Being a professional he has to play where the manger wants him to otherwise is being wasted there. Every team gets injuries, if Milner is out before January then we have no choice other then to replace him with Moreno. Thing is due to being in no European competition it is unlikely that Milner will get injured before then transfer window reopens. I agree that we will miss Mane when he is off to the African's Cup especially because Sturridge seems incapable of playing in that system, not sure if Origi can fit in either. Either then gaffer will have to change tactics and formation or one of the two will have to adapt. There is speculation that Klopp may go in for another forward in January who can play in his system. If so Sturridge's future at Liverpool will be in even greater doubt.

Jurgen Klopp demands super fitness to an incredible level. Due to a lack of European we can get away with it next season. It will be very difficult to maintain once we're back in Europe, then he will need almost two separate teams for Europe and domestically.

 

[PakLFC]

Chelsea will also have severe problems if the likes of Hazard or Costa get injured.

 

[WC-Passion]

You are the one who is talking off a good defence. As far as I am concerned Conte was the manager when we beat you, right? He may have changed the system after the defeat that is a different matter altogether. Klopp has not spent much in any transfer window yet as far as I know because he is not a cheque book manager. Even at Dortmund he normally bought average or supposedly lesser players turning them in to better ones. He has done the same at Liverpool with the likes of Lallana.

You do have a better defence but our attack is way better then yours. Our defence is poor that is why we can't keep clean sheets, I am okay with that providing we keep scoring. This will only become a problem if we can't score that is something unthinkable at the moment. We're playing three up front in Coutinho, Firminho and Mane with Sturridge and Origi warming the bench. Still have Danny Inges to return from injury as well. Hazard is a brilliant player as is Costa but you don't have the same slick movement up front that we do,

Milner for me is not a left beck. Being a professional he has to play where the manger wants him to otherwise is being wasted there. Every team gets injuries, if Milner is out before January then we have no choice other then to replace him with Moreno. Thing is due to being in no European competition it is unlikely that Milner will get injured before then transfer window reopens. I agree that we will miss Mane when he is off to the African's Cup especially because Sturridge seems incapable of playing in that system, not sure if Origi can fit in either. Either then gaffer will have to change tactics and formation or one of the two will have to adapt. There is speculation that Klopp may go in for another forward in January who can play in his system. If so Sturridge's future at Liverpool will be in even greater doubt.

Jurgen Klopp demands super fitness to an incredible level. Due to a lack of European we can get away with it next season. It will be very difficult to maintain once we're back in Europe, then he will need almost two separate teams for Europe and domestically.

Let me tell you something about Conte. He's not like Mourinho, he doesn't get rid of potential talent or players that look "mediocre", instead he makes them look like superstars.

Look at Marcos Alonso, Victor Moses, Eder, Giaccherini. If that's not enough, look at Andrea Barzagli, who was seen as a nobody before Conte, and now is one of the best defenders in world football. He's no where near a cheque book manager.

Obviously when you finish 10th and don't even get to a cup semi-final, you need to spend some more. Klopp knew who he liked, who he didn't, who should be sold and who should be bought. Obviously Conte didn't have this advantage, and Klopp's team got to 2 cup finals which is huge.

You are avoiding the fact that the 4-2-3-1 wasn't even Conte's choice at first, he wanted to give the players a chance to show what they can do, you have to understand that unlike Klopp, Conte hasn't had nearly the same amount as time with the players. It was brave of him to switch to a 3-4-3 against Arsenal when we did much better, with Michy nearly scoring.

I'm sorry but you're being very biased by saying Liverpool's attacking ability is way better. We've scored 16 goals in the last 5 games in the premier league without conceding, while Liverpool have scored 14. Pedro, Hazard and Costa have scored 18 and assisted 10, while Mane, Coutinho and Firmino have scored 16 and assisted 10. Matic also has 5 assists, the same amount as Coutinho this season. Also, Pedro has only joined into the first team picture after Hull, due to Willian's personal issues, and has already got 2 goals and 5 assists.

We have a very strong bench, with many options, not just some ST's. (Ings is out for the rest of the season btw). Oscar, Willian, Fabregas, Michy are there for attacking options, and Terry, Zouma, and Ivanovic for defensive options. Not sure what you mean by us not having "slick movements", you must have missed the Everton game, Pedro and Hazard had MSN-esque link-up play that match, (obviously they are no where near as good).

I'm sure that Sturridge can play as a ST, with Firmino on the right and Coutinho on the left, it's not as fast but probably just as strong. I wouldn't be worried too much, its just that Mane is more dynamic and versatile than Sturridge.

Milner isn't a LB, you're right, but it tells you so much when you realize that he plays so much better than your specialist LB.

Conte and Klopp are very similar, they both have very intense training sessions, Conte has double the amount Mourinho had, and has banned some unhealthier options of food that normally would be available. (They are both good at getting the best out of their players and are very passionate). We will also struggle next season with the high fitness demands of Conte, but I'm sure reinforcements will be brought in, I'm guessing Liverpool will do the same.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't know much about Conte having not followed his career but from what I've seen he hasn't done anything very special yet. What? Conte makes average players look like superstars?? Like who? I didn't say Conte was a cheque book manager rather that his style of play is not that great. I also said this about Rafa Benitez when he was at Liverpool, when every L'pool fan was on about how great he was I insisted that his style of play was incredibly boring so I am impartial not biased.

The question is that have Chelsea's signings been any good? Like Arsenal I find it difficult to recognise the Chelsea side this is not to suggest you don't have any class players. Klopp in his first season got in to two final's, I will be incredibly surprised if Chelsea even get close to this in Conte's first season. I see him as an average manager so far, nothing special.

I am not talking of goal's, I sad Liverpool have a better style of play especially when going forward it seems we can score every time. At the back Chelsea are stronger at the moment then again Liverpool since after Gerard Houllier have always been vulnerable at the back. I would rather be that then being no threat going forward. You were good against Everton but lack the overall fluency that Liverpool do going forward. I realise that at the moment not every one is playing as well as we do partly because our players have more time off between matches. I will analyse our next performance after which the situation may be different.

Sturridge is a different type of player to Mane which is why Klopp doesn't start with him. As we saw against Scotland he is a goal scorer but the manager wants someone who also helps in winning back the ball because we play a high pressing game. This is where he is found wanting, he doesn't seem very keen in trying to win back the ball. Moreno was a poor signing made by Brendan Rodgers, often the next manager has to deal with players he des not want until a solution can be fund. Moreno is good going forward, at the back he is always a mistake waiting to happen that hopefully will be rectified sooner or later.

Chelsea being a London club will always have an advantage over us when it comes to player transfers. We wanted Salah, Costa and Willian who all ended up at Chelsea. It's something we have to live with.

 

[Muhammad10]

Coutinho became the top Brazilian scorer in PL history after scoring against Stoke. Meanwhile, Hazard has been on a roll for Chelsea.

Two brilliant players who are surely nearing their prime, if not already there.

 

[Rayyman]

It's a disgrace to Hazard for him to be compared to a second-tier player like Coutinho. Hazard is clearly the best player in England and one of the best in the world.

 

[Hasan123]

Hazard is superior to Coutiniho

 

[WC-Passion]

I don't know much about Conte having not followed his career but from what I've seen he hasn't done anything very special yet. What? Conte makes average players look like superstars?? Like who? I didn't say Conte was a cheque book manager rather that his style of play is not that great. I also said this about Rafa Benitez when he was at Liverpool, when every L'pool fan was on about how great he was I insisted that his style of play was incredibly boring so I am impartial not biased.

The question is that have Chelsea's signings been any good? Like Arsenal I find it difficult to recognise the Chelsea side this is not to suggest you don't have any class players. Klopp in his first season got in to two final's, I will be incredibly surprised if Chelsea even get close to this in Conte's first season. I see him as an average manager so far, nothing special.

I am not talking of goal's, I sad Liverpool have a better style of play especially when going forward it seems we can score every time. At the back Chelsea are stronger at the moment then again Liverpool since after Gerard Houllier have always been vulnerable at the back. I would rather be that then being no threat going forward. You were good against Everton but lack the overall fluency that Liverpool do going forward. I realise that at the moment not every one is playing as well as we do partly because our players have more time off between matches. I will analyse our next performance after which the situation may be different.

Sturridge is a different type of player to Mane which is why Klopp doesn't start with him. As we saw against Scotland he is a goal scorer but the manager wants someone who also helps in winning back the ball because we play a high pressing game. This is where he is found wanting, he doesn't seem very keen in trying to win back the ball. Moreno was a poor signing made by Brendan Rodgers, often the next manager has to deal with players he des not want until a solution can be fund. Moreno is good going forward, at the back he is always a mistake waiting to happen that hopefully will be rectified sooner or later.

Chelsea being a London club will always have an advantage over us when it comes to player transfers. We wanted Salah, Costa and Willian who all ended up at Chelsea. It's something we have to live with.

Chelsea paid higher wages and the London factor is doesn't make sense when you consider the fact that Willian was 5 seconds away from signing for Spurs.

Conte an average manager? In his first season he's close to a double!

Average signings? David Luiz has became one of the best CB's this season. Alonso has became a vital part of our team and deserves a place in the team of the season, he's scored more goals than Pogba who cost £89m. Michy in his limited minutes has decent numbers this season and Kante is probably going to win PFA Player Of The Year.

Marcos Alonso was playing for Sunderland not long ago, now he's one of the best wingbacks in the PL and is going to be a part of the team of the season. Conte knew what he was doing when buying him and had turned him into a superstar.

Liverpool have been good going forward but I don't see them as more fluent, its just that they take more risks then Chelsea which makes sense because we have an Italian manager who likes defensive structure.

 

[PakLFC]

Chelsea paid higher wages and the London factor is doesn't make sense when you consider the fact that Willian was 5 seconds away from signing for Spurs.

Conte an average manager? In his first season he's close to a double!

Average signings? David Luiz has became one of the best CB's this season. Alonso has became a vital part of our team and deserves a place in the team of the season, he's scored more goals than Pogba who cost £89m. Michy in his limited minutes has decent numbers this season and Kante is probably going to win PFA Player Of The Year.

Marcos Alonso was playing for Sunderland not long ago, now he's one of the best wingbacks in the PL and is going to be a part of the team of the season. Conte knew what he was doing when buying him and had turned him into a superstar.

Liverpool have been good going forward but I don't see them as more fluent, its just that they take more risks then Chelsea which makes sense because we have an Italian manager who likes defensive structure.

Spurs are a London club as wellI have to say that Conte has proved me wrong over the past few months. If he wins the league then I will have no problems with it. He is a classy manager who I initially had doubts with.

Obviously Chelsea has good players which is why you sit at the top of the table. What I meant was considering all the money you have being a London club you can not attract the best players like Ronaldo or Messi. As for Pogba even our players who cost much less are better then him.

Liverpool are terrible at the back where as Chelsea are solid conceding much fewer goals. For this reason you rightly will be crowned champs as defence is equally as important as attack.

 

[WC-Passion]

Spurs are a London club as wellI have to say that Conte has proved me wrong over the past few months. If he wins the league then I will have no problems with it. He is a classy manager who I initially had doubts with.

Obviously Chelsea has good players which is why you sit at the top of the table. What I meant was considering all the money you have being a London club you can not attract the best players like Ronaldo or Messi. As for Pogba even our players who cost much less are better then him.

Liverpool are terrible at the back where as Chelsea are solid conceding much fewer goals. For this reason you rightly will be crowned champs as defence is equally as important as attack.

Read my post again, I know that Spurs are a London club which is why I said the London factor doesn't make sense as Chelsea are not the only London club in London so there is more to it than just us being in London. (Which is shown in the fact that we swooped in for Willian in the last second when Spurs nearly signed him).

Ronaldo or Messi wouldn't leave their respective clubs for any club in the world so that doesn't matter.

Yes we have a good balance which means we will most likely win the league but we need to shown mental toughness because we basically have to win every game from now on so Spurs don't catch us.

 

[PakLFC]

Read my post again, I know that Spurs are a London club which is why I said the London factor doesn't make sense as Chelsea are not the only London club in London so there is more to it than just us being in London. (Which is shown in the fact that we swooped in for Willian in the last second when Spurs nearly signed him).

Ronaldo or Messi wouldn't leave their respective clubs for any club in the world so that doesn't matter.

Yes we have a good balance which means we will most likely win the league but we need to shown mental toughness because we basically have to win every game from now on so Spurs don't catch us.

Depends where you are in London I mean it is a massive place. The area of Chelsea is considered to be more high class then Spurs which is why they are able to spend much more. London is one of the biggest cities in the world comparable with many combined together. I believe Chelsea offered more money then Spurs did for Willian so you got him. We were also on the brink of signing him then Spurs came in for him.

You lost today to Man Utd. I still expect Chelsea to win it. I don't think you have many more tough fixtures left where as Spurs still have Man Utd who are fighting us for a top four position. Can you sign the creme de le creme of world Football?, I don't think so.

 

[WC-Passion]

Depends where you are in London I mean it is a massive place. The area of Chelsea is considered to be more high class then Spurs which is why they are able to spend much more. London is one of the biggest cities in the world comparable with many combined together. I believe Chelsea offered more money then Spurs did for Willian so you got him. We were also on the brink of signing him then Spurs came in for him.

You lost today to Man Utd. I still expect Chelsea to win it. I don't think you have many more tough fixtures left where as Spurs still have Man Utd who are fighting us for a top four position. Can you sign the creme de le creme of world Football?, I don't think so.

We were very unlucky in our defence. Two massive blows through injuries before the match with Alonso and Courtois out to start with, then we concede two goals through a handball and deflection. And to top it off, news came out that all the players were suffering from a virus after getting it from a team bonding session.

We can sign the best young talent currently if we really wanted to, but it just wouldn't make sense because of all the talent coming through right now at Chelsea and the fact that our first XI is quite strong atm. Kante is a player who could arugably improve any team in the world right now, and he plays for us, I'd say that's good enough for me.

Yes Chelsea is considered a better place in London than Tottenham however as long as they are still in the city I'm sure the players wouldn't be forced to buy a house as close as possible to the respective home stadium.

 

[Muhammad10]

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[Abdullah719]

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[KingKhanWC]

Todays first goal was brilliant. The way he controlled the ball moving before shooting is a very difficult skill.

Great player, shame for Chelsea he is off soon.