Hillary Clinton blames election defeat on FBI director James Comey [update#19]

[Markhor]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ton-email-investigation-criminal-james-comey?

The FBI has determined that a new batch of emails apparently related to Hillary Clinton’s private email sever “have not changed our conclusion” that she committed no criminal wrongdoing, FBI director James Comey told congressional leaders in a letter on Sunday.

Writing to Congress on Sunday, Comey said: “Since my letter, the FBI investigative team has been working around the clock to process and review a large volume of emails from a device obtained in connection with an unrelated criminal investigation.

“During that process, we reviewed all of the communications that were to or from Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state.”

He concluded: “Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to secretary Clinton.

So much ado about nothing. Some people looking quite silly right now.

There's loads of legitimate criticism to level at Hillary Clinton, but this so-called email scandal, whilst careless of her, is a total nonsense and the FBI confirm it after Comey's unnecessary hoopla he caused last week.

 

[Suleiman]

Doing it so close the elections may have hurt her in the polls.

She asked about Amitabh Bachchan from her Pak sec, that's pretty much the most "important" leak on this lol.

But you can't stump the Trump!

 

[anuk]

she should still be impeached if she becomes president

we know about the clinton foundation and the various donations received from dodgy govts
free of tax donations from organizations that bill spoke at
saudi arabia and qatar emails
debate fraud
libya and gaddafi

 

[Indiafan]

she should still be impeached if she becomes president

we know about the clinton foundation and the various donations received from dodgy govts
free of tax donations from organizations that bill spoke at
saudi arabia and qatar emails
debate fraud
libya and gaddafi

All of these are completely false, unproven elike all rumprs about her

Clinton foundation - Every cent was used for helping really poor people. So are you saying we should let people die because Saudi Arabia donated? Heck would any human being refuse money if it goes to help needy?

What Saudi Arabia and Qatar mail?

What fraud was there? Some staffers back biting about Sanders is fraud. She won by millions

Libya and Gaddafi? Then every politician including Sanders should be locked up

So in the end you are doing the same thing, spread rumors about her like GOP does. Every rumor proves false but instead of apologising, you guys just spread more rumors and lies

 

[ahsan17]

What is stunning to me is how badly the democrats have tried to brush under the rug the email scandal, and how uninformed much of the public is about email scandal. She was using an email server set up privately to communicate confidential information, some of it even tagged top secret. Most politicians would probably get charged and prosecuted for doing something like this. How Clinton got away with this only shows the kind of influence she and corporate interests have on the American law enforcement and justice system.

 

[yasir]

All this hoop hala by republicans was to save Senate and damage control the house. President was and still is a long shot

 

[Indiafan]

What is stunning to me is how badly the democrats have tried to brush under the rug the email scandal, and how uninformed much of the public is about email scandal. She was using an email server set up privately to communicate confidential information, some of it even tagged top secret. Most politicians would probably get charged and prosecuted for doing something like this. How Clinton got away with this only shows the kind of influence she and corporate interests have on the American law enforcement and justice system.

Nope, most people wouldn't get charged. There is a reason she was using the e-mails and every government official in the past has done the same thing and not been indicted. George Bush had a million such e-mails was he charged? Politicians, most of who are older people and not very computer literate are not the same as some IT guy

Do you understand even why she had that private server? Because as secretary of state she was constantly travelling and needed approvals etc immediately and she was not able to connect to the server in time when traveling to remote countries

How Clinton got away with this only shows the kind of influence she and corporate interests have on the American law enforcement and justice system.

This alone shows me how ignorant people who make random accusations against her are. Comey, the head of FBI is a republican and hates her. He was under a lot of pressure to charge and indict her. If he failed after months of trying there is nothing there. Comey has actively tried to affect the election with his allegations. So the truth completely opposite of what you are claiming

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

FBI probably getting cold feet about the prospect of having a loose canon like Trump actually win the elections. Might just be enough to save the day for the Democrats.

 

[Varun]

Regardless, it has done enough damage from a PR perspective which is the point.

Here's hoping the electorate are adequately swayed to actually show some balls and cast their vote for Trump becoming President. We need some guy with flair and chutzpah up there, and Hillary is way down such a list.

 

[ahsan17]

Nope, most people wouldn't get charged. There is a reason she was using the e-mails and every government official in the past has done the same thing and not been indicted. George Bush had a million such e-mails was he charged? Politicians, most of who are older people and not very computer literate are not the same as some IT guy

Do you understand even why she had that private server? Because as secretary of state she was constantly travelling and needed approvals etc immediately and she was not able to connect to the server in time when traveling to remote countries.

Do you understand the difference between a private email server sitting in one's basement, v/s a private email server that is hosted by a trusted third party? That is what differentiates all everyone else whom you mentioned with Clinton. Clinton set up an email server that no one within the government had access to, that could not be secured adequately and had no oversight.

This alone shows me how ignorant people who make random accusations against her are. Comey, the head of FBI is a republican and hates her. He was under a lot of pressure to charge and indict her. If he failed after months of trying there is nothing there. Comey has actively tried to affect the election with his allegations. So the truth completely opposite of what you are claiming

Do you not understand that establishment v/s non-establishment does equate to democrat v/s republican? John McCain or Mitt Romney are as establishment as they come, even though they are republicans probably dislike Hillary just as much. The difference between establishment v/s non-establishment is to reject corporate interference, influence of the rich, influence from special interest groups, etc. James Comey is part of the establishment and thus was likely influenced by corporate interests, pressure from other establishment politicians, etc.

 

[Indiafan]

Do you understand the difference between a private email server sitting in one's basement, v/s a private email server that is hosted by a trusted third party? That is what differentiates all everyone else whom you mentioned with Clinton. Clinton set up an email server that no one within the government had access to, that could not be secured adequately and had no oversight.

I will say this again, EVERY government employee who traveled had one, not only Clinton. And I told you the reason why. LMAO, 3rd party servers are a 100 times more security risk than something on your comp. Also, you do realise that the government server she was supposed to use was hacked, while her own system was never hacked. So much for security

Do you not understand that establishment v/s non-establishment does equate to democrat v/s republican? John McCain or Mitt Romney are as establishment as they come, even though they are republicans probably dislike Hillary just as much. The difference between establishment v/s non-establishment is to reject corporate interference, influence of the rich, influence from special interest groups, etc. James Comey is part of the establishment and thus was likely influenced by corporate interests, pressure from other establishment politicians, etc.

You are just using some random ramblings now. The senate and the house both are in play and the GOP desperately want that. Comey is in their pockets. That is the reason when she was cleared he used some language like - she was careless which no official every uses, it was his own opinion.

And how naive do you need to be to think there is one "establishment". GOP and Cliton are mortal enemies and they would rather kill themselves than see her elected. To be so naive to believe they would, and Comey would help Clinton over Trump is not even worth replying to

You also dont realise that Trump is a businessman and he will be able to make GOP and contractors 100 times richer than Clinton. He is not some anti establishment, he is a corrupt businessman who cheats people

 

[yasir]

FBI probably getting cold feet about the prospect of having a loose canon like Trump actually win the elections. Might just be enough to save the day for the Democrats.

Presidency was not in any serious danger, we still can win with 300+. This move was target by republican to save Senate and keep the house. This election could have been total disaster for them... I think they have succeeded in saving lead in house for most part. Senate and Presidency is still favoring Dems but not with same commending lead as it was 10-15 days ago...

Similar incidence happened in 2004 election, when out of no where Osama's tape released just 10-15 days before election to bump up Bush's numbers... Not to mention CIA crocked hand in creating Iraq's WMDs issues out of thin air, after 15 years, they could not find a single molecule of Uranium in Iraq, some 1.5M people died, yet not body got fired and prosecuted for war crimes... They get away with everything

 

[Indiafan]

Do you understand the difference between a private email server sitting in one's basement, v/s a private email server that is hosted by a trusted third party? That is what differentiates all everyone else whom you mentioned with Clinton. Clinton set up an email server that no one within the government had access to, that could not be secured adequately and had no oversight.




Do you not understand that establishment v/s non-establishment does equate to democrat v/s republican? John McCain or Mitt Romney are as establishment as they come, even though they are republicans probably dislike Hillary just as much. The difference between establishment v/s non-establishment is to reject corporate interference, influence of the rich, influence from special interest groups, etc. James Comey is part of the establishment and thus was likely influenced by corporate interests, pressure from other establishment politicians, etc.

Trump is so anti-establishment that his deputy campaign manager is the head of Citizens United. His top financial adviser is a Goldman Sachs banker. And many more connections like these

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Presidency was not in any serious danger, we still can win with 300+. This move was target by republican to save Senate and keep the house. This election could have been total disaster for them... I think they have succeeded in saving lead in house for most part. Senate and Presidency is still favoring Dems but not with same commending lead as it was 10-15 days ago...

Similar incidence happened in 2004 election, when out of no where Osama's tape released just 10-15 days before election to bump up Bush's numbers... Not to mention CIA crocked hand in creating Iraq's WMDs issues out of thin air, after 15 years, they could not find a single molecule of Uranium in Iraq, some 1.5M people died, yet not body got fired and prosecuted for war crimes... They get away with everything

Alot of talk about how the military under handedly controls matters in Pakistan
You could say the same thing about America especially based on the events of the last week


I cant see Clinton arguing too much about foriegn policy in her time as President

 

[yasir]

Alot of talk about how the military under handedly controls matters in Pakistan
You could say the same thing about America especially based on the events of the last week


I cant see Clinton arguing too much about foriegn policy in her time as President

I look at Army the same way as Gangasters, who are there to handle the dirty business of others. Army was used by Kings and nations to bully others throughout the history... Its sort of necessary evil that has existed, we hope that as we get more civilized its influence vain down, that is one measure of civilization. I personally have little respect for Army as a institution.

 

[James]

Not sure how big an impact it had. People just didn't like her.

 

[srh]

Not sure how big an impact it had. People just didn't like her.

She is blaming Comey and Obama for her loss as per one report.

 

[James]

It is bad though, the email thing.

It annoyed me on Question Time last night when the "Professor of American Literature" (i.e. Career academic and essentially life-long student who lives in a bubble & has never had a real job in her life) was brushing off Hillary's emails like they were not even worth discussing.

Anyone who has ever worked for a large organisation / in the corporate world, let along worked for a major government knows how massive a breach it is to use your personal email account as a bounce-around for confidential information. In my job, I have annual training and quarterly audits to ensure that I don't do this very thing.

Not going to reveal who I work for, but if I did what she did and it got found out, then I would definitely be dismissed, and potentially prosecuted also.

 

[Abdullah719]

Hillary Clinton blames election defeat on FBI director James Comey

Hillary Clinton on Saturday cast blame for her surprise election loss on the announcement by the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, days before the election that he had revived the inquiry into her use of a private email server.

In her most extensive remarks since she conceded the race to Donald J. Trump early Wednesday, Mrs. Clinton told donors on a 30-minute conference call that Mr. Comey’s decision to send a letter to Congress about the inquiry 11 days before Election Day had thrust the controversy back into the news and had prevented her from ending the campaign with an optimistic closing argument.

“There are lots of reasons why an election like this is not successful,” Mrs. Clinton said, according to a donor who relayed the remarks. But, she added, “our analysis is that Comey’s letter raising doubts that were groundless, baseless, proven to be, stopped our momentum.”

Mrs. Clinton said a second letter from Mr. Comey, clearing her once again, which came two days before Election Day, had been even more damaging. In that letter, Mr. Comey said an examination of a new trove of emails, which had been found on the computer of Anthony D. Weiner, the estranged husband of one of her top aides, did not cause him to change his earlier conclusion that Mrs. Clinton should face no charges over her handling of classified information.

Her campaign said the seemingly positive outcome had only hurt it with voters who did not trust Mrs. Clinton and were receptive to Mr. Trump’s claims of a “rigged system.” In particular, white suburban women who had been on the fence were reminded of the email imbroglio and broke decidedly in Mr. Trump’s favor, aides said.

After leading in polls in many battleground states, Mrs. Clinton told the donors on Saturday, “we dropped, and we had to keep really pushing to regain our advantage, which going into last weekend we had.”

“We were once again up in all but two of the battleground states, and we were up considerably in some that we ended up losing,” said Mrs. Clinton, whose tone was described by a donor as stoic. “And we were feeling like we had to put it back together.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-james-comey.html

 

[srh]

As per one report she is also blaming Obama for not curtailing Comey US is lucky that she didn't get elected.

 

[Slog]

Hillary Clinton has blamed FBI director James Comey for her sensational defeat in Tuesday's US presidential election.

The Democratic former presidential hopeful said in a conference call to donors that Donald Trump was able to use Mr Comey's announcements about a long-running email probe against her, according to two participants who were on the call.

Mrs Clinton told supporters on Saturday that her team had looked at the changing opinion polls leading to the election, and that Mr Comey's letter to Congress just days before the election - stating he was effectively reopening an investigation into her emails - proved to be a turning point.

She said the FBI director's decision to go public with the renewed examination of her email server led to support being eroded in the upper Midwest.

Mrs Clinton had been projected by almost every national public opinion poll as the favourite to win the election.

The Democrat lost in Wisconsin - the first time the state has chosen a Republican candidate in a presidential election since 1984.

While a second letter from Mr Comey cleared Mrs Clinton of any wrongdoing, she said it reinforced in the minds of Trump supporters a perception that the system was rigged in her favour.

Mrs Clinton has kept a low profile since delivering a concession speech on Wednesday morning following her election defeat.

A spokesperson for the FBI could not be immediately reached for comment.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-12/...-election-defeat-on-fbi-director-james-comey/

Don't see any direct quotes but it's disingenuous to deny that it didn't have an impact. Was kind of a straw that broke the camels back for many people in regards to support for Hillary

 

[Abdullah719]

Don't see any direct quotes but it's disingenuous to deny that it didn't have an impact. Was kind of a straw that broke the camels back for many people in regards to support for Hillary

Replaced with another source.

“There are lots of reasons why an election like this is not successful,” Mrs. Clinton said, according to a donor who relayed the remarks. But, she added, “our analysis is that Comey’s letter raising doubts that were groundless, baseless, proven to be, stopped our momentum.”

 

[The_KING]

No, Hilary you were a terrible candidate.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

America is not a 3rd world country.

She got cleared 2-3 days before polling and voters would have access to Radio, Tv, Newspaper & Internet to know this.

 

[Pakistanian]

What's done is done. Now we have to put up with Trump for another 4 years, hopefully he's only a one-term president, which I feel he will be. The Dems need to stay true to their values and not field weak candidates, I think Cenk Uygur from TYT would make a good nominee, he's not a career-politician, he's a DC outsider and anti-establishment plus he also has the fire and aggression to counter the hostility of the far right.

 

[Pakistanian]

America is not a 3rd world country.

She got cleared 2-3 days before polling and voters would have access to Radio, Tv, Newspaper & Internet to know this.

It still made people distrust her. People just saw that move as a way of the powers that be to clear Hillary so she could get elected.

 

[kingusama92]

What's done is done. Now we have to put up with Trump for another 4 years, hopefully he's only a one-term president, which I feel he will be. The Dems need to stay true to their values and not field weak candidates, I think Cenk Uygur from TYT would make a good nominee, he's not a career-politician, he's a DC outsider and anti-establishment plus he also has the fire and aggression to counter the hostility of the far right.

Can't run. Cenk was born in Turkey as were his parents.

 

[Pakistanian]

Can't run. Cenk was born in Turkey as were his parents.

Doesn't matter anymore, Ted Cruz was born in Canada and McCain was born in Panama. I spoke to some constitutional experts and they told me the old laws about being "natural born" are redundant and in the future they may be scrapped.

The reason why founding fathers made it mandatory to be born in America to become President was to differentiate between the freedom fighters and the colonialists who were born in England.

 

[kingusama92]

Doesn't matter anymore, Ted Cruz was born in Canada and McCain was born in Panama. I spoke to some constitutional experts and they told me the old laws about being "natural born" are redundant and in the future they may be scrapped.

The reason why founding fathers made it mandatory to be born in America to become President was to differentiate between the freedom fighters and the colonialists who were born in England.

I see.

I had assumed both were allowed because their parents were Americans. I mean John McCain is as American as it gets because his dad was a US Navy Admiral serving in Panama.

It should be scrapped though. A qualified person should be able to run.

 

[Pakistanian]

I see.

I had assumed both were allowed because their parents were Americans. I mean John McCain is as American as it gets because his dad was a US Navy Admiral serving in Panama.

It should be scrapped though. A qualified person should be able to run.

Absolutely, these are different times now. We now have a first lady that is a Slovenian immigrant, one of the most popular governors in America was an Austrian immigrant who came here as an adult. There's no reason why either of them shouldn't run for President.

 

[FreakCricket]

What's done is done. Now we have to put up with Trump for another 4 years, hopefully he's only a one-term president, which I feel he will be. The Dems need to stay true to their values and not field weak candidates, I think Cenk Uygur from TYT would make a good nominee, he's not a career-politician, he's a DC outsider and anti-establishment plus he also has the fire and aggression to counter the hostility of the far right.

cenk is a former muslim you think ppl will vote for him ? right will roast him alive

 

[Pakistanian]

cenk is a former muslim you think ppl will vote for him ? right will roast him alive

If the Dems are gonna lose, they might wanna lose with dignity by staying true to their values and fielding and all-out liberal.

The other names that come to my mind that might be candidates in 2020 are Elizabeth Warren and Keith Elison.

 

[Yossarian]

I see.

I had assumed both were allowed because their parents were Americans. I mean John McCain is as American as it gets because his dad was a US Navy Admiral serving in Panama.

It should be scrapped though. A qualified person should be able to run.

Being born to parents who already US citizens at the time of birth, even if the birth took place outside the USA, automatically grants the individual the right to be classed as an American by birth.

So Ted Cruz and McCain are bad examples. Cruz's mother was born in the USA, and both his parents were already US citizens at the time of his birth, so Ted Cruz automatically became an American by birth even though he was born in Canada. Similarly, John McCain was automatically an American by birth since his parents were American at the time of his birth.

An individual born outside the USA, and who's parents were not US citizens at the time, is not an American by birth.

If someone is born on 'American soil' then they automatically have the right to be US citizens.

And that's not going to change.

In Britain, it's very different. Even if someone is born in the UK, they don't automatically have the right to be UK citizens unless at least one parent was also a UK citizen at the time of the birth.

This did not use to be the case. The law was changed to stop pregnant women coming to the UK (usually as tourists) to give birth, which used to then automatically grant the child the right to be classed as British, and in turn allow the parents to demand the right to remain in Britain (so that the newborn child is not separated from it's parents).

 

[Yossarian]

Absolutely, these are different times now. We now have a first lady that is a Slovenian immigrant, one of the most popular governors in America was an Austrian immigrant who came here as an adult. There's no reason why either of them shouldn't run for President.

They're not Americans by birth, ie either born on US soil, or born outside the USA but at least one parent was a US citizen at the time of birth.

And that won't change.

 

[Pakistanian]

They're not Americans by birth, ie either born on US soil, or born outside the USA but at least one parent was a US citizen at the time of birth.

And that won't change.

Yes, it will change. Both the Dems and the Repubs are open to the idea of allowing an American who just so happened to have been born overseas to run for President.

 

[Yossarian]

Yes, it will change. Both the Dems and the Repubs are open to the idea of allowing an American who just so happened to have been born overseas to run for President.

Yeah, sure - You mean those Democrat and Republican Governors, Senators, Congressmen etc. who themselves were not Americans by birth, but became Americans by being granted citizenship, and who harbour aspirations to becoming President?
Of course they will !

But the wider American public? Wishful thinking my friend.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yeah, sure - You mean those Democrat and Republican Governors, Senators, Congressmen etc. who themselves were not Americans by birth, but became Americans by being granted citizenship, and who harbour aspirations to becoming President?
Of course they will !

But the wider American public? Wishful thinking my friend.

The wider American public is more receptive to it, it's only a constitutional road block and some lawmakers like to treat it like some holy grail that can't be amended but it will change soon, we will eventually a Pres who was an immigrant.

 

[Yossarian]

The wider American public is more receptive to it, it's only a constitutional road block and some lawmakers like to treat it like some holy grail that can't be amended but it will change soon, we will eventually a Pres who was an immigrant.

Of course you will - and she will be a hijab wearing Muslim from Gaza who had been in the USA for 3 years after marrying a US citizen who had, 5 years previously, arrived in the USA as an asylum seeking Syrian refugee from Al-Raqqah.
(You can become a US citizen after 5 years as a permanent resident, or 3 years if also married to a US citizen)

 

[anuk]

why is [MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] pushing so hard for cenk to get elected? if i had to pick from the TYT crowd i'd pick ana kasparian.

 

[Slog]

lmao att he suggestion of Cenk being a President

dont think even he in his wildest dreams has thought of that

like do some kids even run scenarios and think before they make up their mind

 

[Markhor]

What's done is done. Now we have to put up with Trump for another 4 years, hopefully he's only a one-term president, which I feel he will be. The Dems need to stay true to their values and not field weak candidates, I think Cenk Uygur from TYT would make a good nominee, he's not a career-politician, he's a DC outsider and anti-establishment plus he also has the fire and aggression to counter the hostility of the far right.

How about Liz Warren-Sherrod Brown for 2020 ?

Warren has the reputation of being an anti-establishment firebrand and Brown could carry his state of Ohio.

 

[Slog]

How about Liz Warren-Sherrod Brown for 2020 ?

Warren has the reputation of being an anti-establishment firebrand and Brown could carry his state of Ohio.

Warren will definitely make a run I think

 

[Cinnamon_Cookie]

I know you come across weirder things in an online forum..

But expecting cenk, an online fake-liberal utuber to be the next potus, just takes the cake..

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Yes, it will change. Both the Dems and the Repubs are open to the idea of allowing an American who just so happened to have been born overseas to run for President.

The last time this was seriously thought of was when the Republicans wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger to be president. Now the tables have turned, the republicans will get nothing out of a such a move so it wont happen

 

[Slog]

maybe we can have that loony alex jones as the gop candidate as well. that would make it the best election ever

Haha they actually had a physical fight of sorts

Though tbf in front of Alex Jones, Cenk comes across as a genius

 

[anuk]

 

[Markhor]

Haha they actually had a physical fight of sorts

Though tbf in front of Alex Jones, Cenk comes across as a genius

His style can come across as obnoxious but he's right about the need to break the power of special interests and lobbyists in Congress. He's even started a PAC for campaign finance reform so he's putting his money where his mouth is. And he was one of the few progressives actually talking about how vulnerable a candidate Clinton was and criticsed the Democratic elite's complacency in thinking she'd just roll Trump over.

Anyway we're veering off topic.

Clinton has nobody to blame but herself and her 90s brand of Third Way politics which took working class support for granted much like Blair and New Labour in the UK.

You do not have a divine right for anyone's vote, you have to earn it, yet Clinton's whole campaign was predicated on how terrible Trump was. Also, it was incredible hubris to make all those paid speeches to Wall Street before her run for Presidency, against the warnings of her advisers, as if nobody would think anything of it.

 

[Gilly]

Hilary can blame whoever she likes but it wont change the outcome.

 

[Pure Evil]

Yes, it will change. Both the Dems and the Repubs are open to the idea of allowing an American who just so happened to have been born overseas to run for President.

Which America do you live in? You could not see Hillary losing. And now you think a former Muslim of Turkish ancestry will be a good candidate?