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South India took the country forward. Language of the failing Hindi belt can’t be imposed on it​


In many ways, MK Stalin‘s letter articulated what many South Indians feel but don’t necessarily say. For how long will South India be kept back by the failures of the Hindi belt?​


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It may have been the most unusual letter ever written by a chief minister in India. Firstly, it was an open letter addressed to all Indians. Secondly, it went out on X and received (when I last looked) over 15,000 likes.


The letter was from MK Stalin, the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, and it was addressed to “My dear sisters and brothers from other states.”


“Ever wondered how many Indian languages Hindi has swallowed?” it began. And it went on to list these: Bhojpuri, Maithili, Garhwali, and Kumaoni, among others. Stalin listed 19 languages, saying these and “many more are now gasping for survival”.
Stalin arrived at his point in the second paragraph. “The push for a monolithic Hindi identity is what kills ancient mother tongues. Uttar Pradesh and Bihar were never just “Hindi heartlands”. Their real languages are now relics of the past.”

Anyone with a sense of history knew where this was leading: “Tamil Nadu resists because we know where this ends…”.

The North-South balance

Around the same time that Stalin was penning his attack on a “monolithic Hindi identity”, Amit Shah was in Chennai assuring the people of Tamil Nadu that Prime Minister Narendra Modi will ensure that the state would not lose a single parliamentary seat in the planned delimitation exercise, which would change the composition of the Lok Sabha.


Shah may well be right but he did not guarantee that the proportion of seats allocated to Tamil Nadu in a post-delimitation Lok Sabha would not be reduced. When the present allocation of seats was agreed on, population rates in India were different. Now, the rapid population growth in North India means that a constituency in UP may have 3 million residents while one in Tamil Nadu could have around 1.8 million.

If the new Lok Sabha is designed to keep population numbers in mind, then Tamil Nadu may not lose seats but states like UP will gain many more. If the size of the Lok Sabha is increased to 753 seats, for example, UP, which already sends the most MPs to Parliament, will see its share go up from 80 to 128 seats.

It is clear what this will do to the North-South political balance. With the so-called Hindi heartland states getting a higher proportion of the new seats, national politics will be dominated by the North—and, of course, by the parties that rule it. Their concerns will be passed off as India’s concerns and the South’s influence on national affairs will be severely reduced.

You can see why the BJP does not think this is a bad idea. Any exercise that increases the number of seats in the North will massively benefit the BJP. That it has still to make significant gains in many non–Hindi heartland states will matter less and less. All that the party would need to do to rule India is win enough seats in the Hindi heartland.

That is why Stalin and other South Indian leaders are upset about Hindi, about the heartland, and about the future that the BJP envisages for India.



Also read: Digital guardians of Kannada are waging a new language war in Karnataka against Hindi imposition


What the South says

The southern politicians argue that the South is being penalised for its success. Southern states are usually economically far more successful than many North Indian states. The literacy rate in UP is around 68 per cent. In Kerala, it is 94 per cent. So it is with economic growth.

Many years ago, long before social media was invented, TV Mohandas Pai would calculate the growth rates of South Indian states. They were on par, he said, with many of the so-called Asian Tigers, Far Eastern countries like Singapore. Even today, if you take much of the Hindi belt out of the calculation, India seems to have fared much better economically than the overall rate suggests.

It is the same with population. The reason that the disparity in the sizes of Lok Sabha constituencies between the South and the North is growing is because the South has managed to control its population. In many non-Hindi heartland states, birth rates are now lower than death rates. But four states skewer the all–India rates. The fears that we expressed about the uncontrolled growth of our population in the 1960s and the ‘70s have proven to be groundless largely because of our success in controlling population growth outside the Hindi belt.

In many ways, Stalin‘s letter articulated what many South Indians feel but don’t necessarily say. For how long will South India be kept back by the failures of the Hindi belt? Does it make sense that the political future of India will be decided, when the Lok Sabha is reconstituted, by the very states that have lagged behind on so many indices: literacy, population, economic growth, etc?


Yes, say South Indians, we are a democracy but we are also a federal nation. For India to progress, a balance must be reached between pure numerical strength and the rights of the states. Keep penalising states that have taken India forward and we will never become the great nation we hope to be.

The Hindi debate—and Stalin’s letter—emerge out of this kind of resentment. Many of us forget now that the Dravidian movement had a strong secessionist component in its early years. It was brought into the national mainstream by the vision of our great national leaders who recognised that Tamil cultural pride and Southern regional sentiment were to be respected. In 1967, Indira Gandhi’s government amended the Official Languages Act to guarantee the virtually indefinite use of Hindi and English as national languages following a bloody anti-Hindi agitation in Madras (as it then was) in 1965.

History tells us that Stalin is right in the claims he makes in his letter. Hindi is a relatively new language and Sanskritised Hindi is a language largely made up by bureaucrats, politicians, pedants, and Akashvani.

Hindi is not the only “national” language as its advocates sometimes falsely claim. Not only is English a useful link language but it has also given India huge advantages over many other Asian countries in such global businesses as software.


And what the Hindi-imposers forget is that the use of Hindi is growing all over India, anyway. But its spread is not because of politicians or Hindi belt chauvinists. Hindi has travelled all over India (yes, even to Tamil Nadu) slowly but firmly because of the film industry and its offshoots—TV, streaming, music, etc.

That is how it will continue to spread, regardless of what its aggressive proponents want.

It is instructive that many of the people who demand that South Indians must speak Hindi are simultaneously totally dismissive of Bollywood (Urduwood, as they sneeringly refer to it). A few years ago, they even ran a politically charged campaign against the Hindi film industry. Moreover, it is instructive that many who condemn those using English as a link language and call them “colonial slaves” also simultaneously venerate VD Sarkar’s apology letters to his colonial masters.

The truth is that India functions best without political and sectarian agendas. When you seek to create a wedge between communities (such as Hindus and Muslims), you damage the principles this country was founded on. And when you demand that the language and the ways of the fumbling, failing Hindi belt must be imposed on South India, you threaten the very future of our country.

Vir Sanghvi is a print and television journalist, and talk show host. He tweets @virsanghvi. Views are personal.


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While the starter issue seems to be about language, there seems to be a growing perception that South Indian states are getting the short end of an increasingly unbalanced stick. The neglect towards the region in central government funding is ghastly and apparent, and there's a high chance that delimitation will worsen that. Seems that if the BJP doesn't make some concessions then (which I don't see them doing given how fanatical they are), India seems to be having some major problems.

Will this induce a sequence of events that create an increasing divide and lead to the break away of South India?

The usual RSS fanboy North Indians here seem to vehemently deny this but is that the reality though?

The South Indians worked hard to control their population. They worked hard to have more religious tolerance and harmony. They worked hard to create a better economy. But the BJP+RSS dominated North seems hell bent in sucking every last juice out of the South to benefit their backwater states where there is no population control with people breeding like rats/rabbits (pick your animal!).

How is the BJP+RSS sucking South India dry? In two ways
#1 - No funding to their South Indian states (image below)
#2 - Less voting power to South Indian states (image below)

Do you know the last major incident as a result of taxation without representation? It caused a revolution, breakup of British empire, and the birth of the US.

Now from a Pakistani POV, I am happier if BJP+RSS continues to rule because they are inevitably accelerating the breakup of India. Once the South breaks away, where will the cow belts get their funding to continue breeding?


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Somebody is getting over excited. Rest of all south india have hindi as one of the subjects since 50 years .Stalin will argue for no hindi nonsense but his sister speaks hindi in parliament. He should take care of his state economy than once again doing the age old drama. Since south have 5 states and rest of India knows how to deal in hindi, it will be atleast sufficient for people from south to learn hindi till 10th class .
Now a days everyone is watching other language content left and right but this guy have issues with hindi.typical chennai politics.
 
Somebody is getting over excited. Rest of all south india have hindi as one of the subjects since 50 years .Stalin will argue for no hindi nonsense but his sister speaks hindi in parliament. He should take care of his state economy than once again doing the age old drama. Since south have 5 states and rest of India knows how to deal in hindi, it will be atleast sufficient for people from south to learn hindi till 10th class .
Now a days everyone is watching other language content left and right but this guy have issues with hindi.typical chennai politics.
South should learn Hindi when UP and Bihar decides to learn Tamil, Telegu etc.
 
Somebody is getting over excited. Rest of all south india have hindi as one of the subjects since 50 years .Stalin will argue for no hindi nonsense but his sister speaks hindi in parliament. He should take care of his state economy than once again doing the age old drama. Since south have 5 states and rest of India knows how to deal in hindi, it will be atleast sufficient for people from south to learn hindi till 10th class .
Now a days everyone is watching other language content left and right but this guy have issues with hindi.typical chennai politics.
This is just a myopic and surface level response. Just a cursory Google search yielded so many news articles for multiple protests. I'm just posting the top ones.

Anti-Hindi Protests in Bangalore against Hindi - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...ctive-action-against-hindi-imposition-3191452

Kerala Govt being unhappy about responses in Hindi - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eplies-in-malayalam/articleshow/114920171.cms

As you can see it is not just ONE state in the South acting against North India.

The problem also isn't that the Hindi belt is economically worse, but that they are invested in "mandir" and vigilantism instead. The creation of an artificial Sanskritized Hindi was fundamentally sectarian. So they need a juice box that they suck $$ out of while they go on some anti-Pakistan, anti-Islam Hindutva rampage. The RSS brigade assumed that the South will be that docile juicebox to fund them while they steal the money from the South, remove their voting power, and impose Hindi onto them. Now the chickens are coming home to roost and the South is waking up. Maybe 2-3 more terms of BJP+RSS, South India could break away.
 
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Kindly state your religion, state and current location so we have an idea about you and your intentions first before commenting on this topic.

There are a lot of anti nationals that often try to exploit these sensitive topics for their vested interests or purely for trolling purpose.
I do not have to justify any of my details for multiple reasons

1. I do not owe you anything.
2. Look at the message and the validity of the message and try to refute the points. Trying to color the message with some perceived insult or stereotype of the messanger only means you lack the objectivity for a discourse.
3. If you are desperate to only stoop down to the level of coloring a message with the messenger then you can go infer my background from my posts yourself.
 
I do not have to justify any of my details for multiple reasons

1. I do not owe you anything.
2. Look at the message and the validity of the message and try to refute the points. Trying to color the message with some perceived insult or stereotype of the messanger only means you lack the objectivity for a discourse.
3. If you are desperate to only stoop down to the level of coloring a message with the messenger then you can go infer my background from my posts yourself.

Ok thanks for clarifying that you’re a Pakistani. Worry about Kashmir & Balochistan first.
 
Ok thanks for clarifying that you’re a Pakistani. Worry about Kashmir & Balochistan first.

This is an international forum and all of us are entitled to share our opinions. I see that you cannot objectively refute my points about how poorly North India is treating South India and this is your way of coping. Thank you.

Funnel away tax dollars - Check!
Take away voting rights - Check!
Impose language - Check!
Impose caste minded superiority on South Indians by making fun of their darker skin - Check!
 
This was the reaction in Karnataka when Amit Shah said that when people from different states are conversing with one another they should do so in Hindi. And that they should avoid English. He also mentioned that the government should be run through the medium of Hindi.
 

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This is just a myopic and surface level response. Just a cursory Google search yielded so many news articles for multiple protests. I'm just posting the top ones.

Anti-Hindi Protests in Bangalore against Hindi - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...ctive-action-against-hindi-imposition-3191452

Kerala Govt being unhappy about responses in Hindi - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eplies-in-malayalam/articleshow/114920171.cms

As you can see it is not just ONE state in the South acting against North India.

The problem also isn't that the Hindi belt is economically worse, but that they are invested in "mandir" and vigilantism instead. The creation of an artificial Sanskritized Hindi was fundamentally sectarian. So they need a juice box that they suck $$ out of while they go on some anti-Pakistan, anti-Islam Hindutva rampage. The RSS brigade assumed that the South will be that docile juicebox to fund them while they steal the money from the South, remove their voting power, and impose Hindi onto them. Now the chickens are coming home to roost and the South is waking up. Maybe 2-3 more terms of BJP+RSS, South India could break away.
Hindi was select as additional subject by congress 50 years ago.Bjp was not in picture. I know ur motive about ur concers about protests as though pak is land of woke left and We are not breaking up .
 
Hindi was select as additional subject by congress 50 years ago.Bjp was not in picture. I know ur motive about ur concers about protests as though pak is land of woke left and We are not breaking up .
Hindi should only be taught as a vocational subject or additional subject where it is not official language.
I can write and understand hindi and have no problems with it but imposing hindi on states where it is not even spoken does not seem good.
Imposing Hindi on Tamil Nadu will lead to a srilanka type civil war situation.
 
Hindi was select as additional subject by congress 50 years ago.Bjp was not in picture. I know ur motive about ur concers about protests as though pak is land of woke left and We are not breaking up .

I never said BJP started this. But they are fanning the flames for sure. Added to this, interestingly you are only talking about the language issue and are ignoring the other two big issues - funneling of tax money away from the South and the taking away the South's voting power (neither of which the Congress party did).
 
I will say either South language or kind of spanish/French etc for north .Just make it equally hard for all at the end.
Here in also exists your double standards! So the North should have an option of learning a Southern language or French/Spanish, but the South must learn Hindi?? Why can't the South also have that option of Hindi OR Spanish/French/Japanese/Arabic then?
 
Here in also exists your double standards! So the North should have an option of learning a Southern language or French/Spanish, but the South must learn Hindi?? Why can't the South also have that option of Hindi OR Spanish/French/Japanese/Arabic then?
I should be an individuals choice whichever language he wants to learn.
In kashmir we have the following options:

English(compulsory till 12th)
Kasmiri(compulsory till 9th)
Urdu/hindi(choice based,compulsory till 10th.)
 
Here in also exists your double standards! So the North should have an option of learning a Southern language or French/Spanish, but the South must learn Hindi?? Why can't the South also have that option of Hindi OR Spanish/French/Japanese/Arabic then?
We are forcing every student to make their life sucks.then what's the difference with additional language. We are making sure south Indians don't get in to trouble with hindi as it's official language and North Indians have also choice of picking their additional language. Am from south india .so don't try to impose ur double standards on me.even is south apart from chennai, hindi can be used as life savour in regional places where atleast Muslim people exists for communication purposes.i roamed entire south and i know practical issues better than a lot.
 
I never said BJP started this. But they are fanning the flames for sure. Added to this, interestingly you are only talking about the language issue and are ignoring the other two big issues - funneling of tax money away from the South and the taking away the South's voting power (neither of which the Congress party did).
Taking away tax is not only for south, its the same issue for mumbai(financial capital), Gujarat etc .u never mentioned bjp but u r hell bent on pin pointing rss and bjp.voting seats is definitely a matter of issue and it will be discussed in parliament.
 
Hindi should only be taught as a vocational subject or additional subject where it is not official language.
I can write and understand hindi and have no problems with it but imposing hindi on states where it is not even spoken does not seem good.
Imposing Hindi on Tamil Nadu will lead to a srilanka type civil war situation.
in telangana and andhra pradesh, hindi marks will be taken in to consideration only in 10th class.till then it won't be calculated in public exams.so its kind of not so important subject.Tamilnadu politics is different stuff as they think they can do nonsense in the name of hindi.last time they did lots of protests and were able to grab cm chair from Rajaji (A congress cm ,who was an epitome of humanity
and had sort of profound influence on Nixon,Jfk etc).so stalin are trying to repeat the history and make his chair permanent. No body bothers about stalin much outside in south as he is a rowdy and serial rapist once up on a time.
 
This is an international forum and all of us are entitled to share our opinions. I see that you cannot objectively refute my points about how poorly North India is treating South India and this is your way of coping. Thank you.

Funnel away tax dollars - Check!
Take away voting rights - Check!
Impose language - Check!
Impose caste minded superiority on South Indians by making fun of their darker skin - Check!


These anti-hindi agitations in TN have been going on since the 1950s. Even my late father took part in them. South Indians have also always been at the receiving end of colour racism. It hasn't affected the pro-India patriotism of the South Indians one little bit. The country was never in danger of breaking up because of these issues, neither then nor now.

And taking away voting rights? Where did you come up with that?
 
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South Indians - even Tamilians - are picking up Hindi these days because a number of folks from Bihar/UP/Bengal are coming down South to work in construction, restaurant waiters, building security guards, Urban Company cleaners etc.

It's natural.
 
Pakistan used to get criticised regularly for imposing Urdu as a national language, usually by secessionists looking to cause trouble. So it has been interesting to see India following Pakistan again in doing the same with Hindi.
 
Pakistan used to get criticised regularly for imposing Urdu as a national language, usually by secessionists looking to cause trouble. So it has been interesting to see India following Pakistan again in doing the same with Hindi.
It is interesting pattern.

In India Indo-Aryan languages v Dravidian.

In Pakistan Indo-Aryan Languages v Iranic ( pashto, Baloch).

People will hold fast to their traditions and culture. In Pakistan's case the "national language" was used to bind what was essentially a "new" country together.

However, Hindustan is allegedly thousands of years old and has always maintained unity, apart from spells of occupation from invaders. Why do they need to go down this route?
 
We are forcing every student to make their life sucks.then what's the difference with additional language. We are making sure south Indians don't get in to trouble with hindi as it's official language and North Indians have also choice of picking their additional language. Am from south india .so don't try to impose ur double standards on me.even is south apart from chennai, hindi can be used as life savour in regional places where atleast Muslim people exists for communication purposes.i roamed entire south and i know practical issues better than a lot.

This is hypocrisy and double standards where South Indians must be forced to learn Hindi and North Indians have the option of learning some fancy Spanish/French OR a South Indian language per what you said. Interesting that you think it is normal to do so.

Oh btw, last I heard Hindi is NOT the national language and also not the only official language per your Indian constitution? All languages have equal official status? Yet somehow non-Hindi speakers have to be forced to learn the cow belt language per this language agenda?

Your reasonings for why South Indians must learn Hindi are tenuous at best. If they are in situations where Hindi is needed let them learn out of their own volition. Why use those hypotheticals to force them to do something that is unconstitutional?
 
South Indians - even Tamilians - are picking up Hindi these days because a number of folks from Bihar/UP/Bengal are coming down South to work in construction, restaurant waiters, building security guards, Urban Company cleaners etc.

It's natural.
People picking up something on their own is way too different from them being forced to do so.

Hypothetically could be many Hindus who could see the positives of Islam and want to convert in some specific region. Would you use that as a reason to now enforce all Hindus to at least learn about Islam? Obviously you would say no. So how is the language issue any different?
 
People picking up something on their own is way too different from them being forced to do so.

Hypothetically could be many Hindus who could see the positives of Islam and want to convert in some specific region. Would you use that as a reason to now enforce all Hindus to at least learn about Islam? Obviously you would say no. So how is the language issue any different?

I agree. South India shouldn't have BIMARU Basha shoved down their throats.
 
These anti-hindi agitations in TN have been going on since the 1950s. Even my late father took part in them. South Indians have also always been at the receiving end of colour racism. It hasn't affected the pro-India patriotism of the South Indians one little bit. The country was never in danger of breaking up because of these issues, neither then nor now.

And taking away voting rights? Where did you come up with that?
Please look at the post #2 in this thread. My bad if I phrased it wrong when I said taking away voting rights. I should have said nullified voting power because that is what BJP is planning to do to y'all. Your MP seats in your parliament will account for nothing anymore because the cow belt has outbred you. Your state's (assuming you are South Indian) effectively population control and good policies are of no use now because they have worked against you. Your state is penalized for being good. More MP power in parliament means they can always pass resolutions to funnel more tax dollars away from your state and start enforcing Hindi onto your future generations.
 
It’s a political stunt similar to religion by BJP.
Hindi agitations were much more violent in 1960s , things have changed there is annoyance but issue is the entire labor class now is from UP-Bihar in South, so the fear is understanable.

Also Maharashtra and Gujarat aren’t South they have also immensely contributed to India.

Hindi agitation is mainly in Tamil Nadu Karnataka , Maharashtra no other state has such agitations.
 
oh poor little baby got hurt.

do they teach history where you are from?

google is your friend too. give it a shot before posting idiotic threads

It looked like quite a well thought out thread with some compelling arguments. You don't have to agree with it, but resorting to name calling instead of refuting the points raised suggests you are the one who got hurt. It doesn't seem a subject which should trigger such emotion unless you feel there might be some truth in it which you don't like.
 
It looked like quite a well thought out thread with some compelling arguments. You don't have to agree with it, but resorting to name calling instead of refuting the points raised suggests you are the one who got hurt. It doesn't seem a subject which should trigger such emotion unless you feel there might be some truth in it which you don't like.clueless threads appear
As well thought out as this.

 
I will say either South language or kind of spanish/French etc for north .Just make it equally hard for all at the end.

Oh, the horror of a Yadav or Chaurasia blabbering in tooti-footi Spanish and French and illegally migrating somewhere else.
 
These anti-hindi agitations in TN have been going on since the 1950s. Even my late father took part in them. South Indians have also always been at the receiving end of colour racism. It hasn't affected the pro-India patriotism of the South Indians one little bit. The country was never in danger of breaking up because of these issues, neither then nor now.

And taking away voting rights? Where did you come up with that?

Pakistanis and their dreams of breaking up India.

Few months back they were breaking NE states away.
 
South Indians - even Tamilians - are picking up Hindi these days because a number of folks from Bihar/UP/Bengal are coming down South to work in construction, restaurant waiters, building security guards, Urban Company cleaners etc.

It's natural.

Its good to know and understand atleast one south indian language if you are staying in South India. Helps a lot.
 
Its good to know and understand atleast one south indian language if you are staying in South India. Helps a lot.
Yes but problem is North Indians esp Delhi and UP middle class don’t want to pick up any language except Hindi.

I’m a Punjabi but can speak tamil fluently, none of us actually had this issue , it’s all these new Corporate crowd that is very close minded.
 
Yes but problem is North Indians esp Delhi and UP middle class don’t want to pick up any language except Hindi.

I’m a Punjabi but can speak tamil fluently, none of us actually had this issue , it’s all these new Corporate crowd that is very close minded.

My friends who studied MD or DM in South picked up the language. Because they had to interact with patients.

Its all about necessity.
 
My friends who studied MD or DM in South picked up the language. Because they had to interact with patients.

Its all about necessity.
It is even with locals but many just take a transfer back or try their best and move ro Hyderabad or Pune ot back to Delhi NCR.
 
@rickroll , South Indians are patriotic esp for Army and Defense, but they just don't like Hindi imposition.

Tamil movies are way more patriotic/nationalist than Bollywood , now you can imagine..

Even Malayalees are extremely patriotic , I don’t see them have hindi issues too, it’s mostly in Karnataka and TN from South, Maharashtra from West.
 
Somebody is getting over excited. Rest of all south india have hindi as one of the subjects since 50 years .Stalin will argue for no hindi nonsense but his sister speaks hindi in parliament. He should take care of his state economy than once again doing the age old drama. Since south have 5 states and rest of India knows how to deal in hindi, it will be atleast sufficient for people from south to learn hindi till 10th class .
Now a days everyone is watching other language content left and right but this guy have issues with hindi.typical chennai politics.
It's optional, not mandatory..
 
It’s a political stunt similar to religion by BJP.
Hindi agitations were much more violent in 1960s , things have changed there is annoyance but issue is the entire labor class now is from UP-Bihar in South, so the fear is understanable.

Also Maharashtra and Gujarat aren’t South they have also immensely contributed to India.

Hindi agitation is mainly in Tamil Nadu Karnataka , Maharashtra no other state has such agitations.

This is an entirely new issue too then, right? With higher population in Hindi belts and with those people migrating to South for jobs (because cow belt does not have many opportunities), wouldn't you see a gradual demographic shift of these people into the South? Not all of the laborers will move back to the cow belt especially when there are no jobs there. There could also be areas where the Northern laborer migrants settle down, get voting rights etc. So now at least in some of the constituencies in the near future, they could influence local elections and have pro-Hindi, pro=North leaders drowning out the voices of the local population.

This happening throughout a Southern state seems far fetched (for now) but it is a reality at the micro level in specific constituencies, right?
 
This is an entirely new issue too then, right? With higher population in Hindi belts and with those people migrating to South for jobs (because cow belt does not have many opportunities), wouldn't you see a gradual demographic shift of these people into the South? Not all of the laborers will move back to the cow belt especially when there are no jobs there. There could also be areas where the Northern laborer migrants settle down, get voting rights etc. So now at least in some of the constituencies in the near future, they could influence local elections and have pro-Hindi, pro=North leaders drowning out the voices of the local population.

This happening throughout a Southern state seems far fetched (for now) but it is a reality at the micro level in specific constituencies, right?
That is happening everywhere though, Delhi was full of Punjabis now its UP-Bihar, the demographic changes are consistently happening across states, TN has high education and so labor is expensive that’s why Bihari-UP labourers are coming in, the industries there are dependent upon the labor.

Even Maharashtra has so many migrants, same with Hyderabad, this is politics and understandable, DMK(Tamil Nadu party) is known for such politics since 1952.. the opposition has no leader so this will happen until DMK corruption becomes hard for Tamizhans to entertain and then next party comes in.

Same with Congress in Karnataka, Sena parties in Maharashtra..
 
This is hypocrisy and double standards where South Indians must be forced to learn Hindi and North Indians have the option of learning some fancy Spanish/French OR a South Indian language per what you said. Interesting that you think it is normal to do so.

Oh btw, last I heard Hindi is NOT the national language and also not the only official language per your Indian constitution? All languages have equal official status? Yet somehow non-Hindi speakers have to be forced to learn the cow belt language per this language agenda?

Your reasonings for why South Indians must learn Hindi are tenuous at best. If they are in situations where Hindi is needed let them learn out of their own volition. Why use those hypotheticals to force them to do something that is unconstitutional?
Hindi is the official language and its mpt a cowbelt language. Therefore it has its own importance even though u have contempt. Even in north east , west Bengal , maharastra kids are learning Hindi apart from their local language. It's not only South Indian kid's issue .its the common issue where ever the local language is still going strong.In karnataka, kids will learn almost 5 to 6 languages as mix is too much in few sreas due to commercial activities.All the govts should not do portray Hindi as forcing on the throat for political purposes .Learning hindi as a necessity but not so important psyche is already in south indian kids and parents since 50 years.
 
Hindi is the official language and its mpt a cowbelt language. Therefore it has its own importance even though u have contempt. Even in north east , west Bengal , maharastra kids are learning Hindi apart from their local language. It's not only South Indian kid's issue .its the common issue where ever the local language is still going strong.In karnataka, kids will learn almost 5 to 6 languages as mix is too much in few sreas due to commercial activities.All the govts should not do portray Hindi as forcing on the throat for political purposes .Learning hindi as a necessity but not so important psyche is already in south indian kids and parents since 50 years.
Hindi is not your national language but official language along with English (thank you for referring it as official language).

Text below from this Wikipedia article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India

Two simple questions and I hope you give me simple direct answers instead of some anecdotal story about kids learn XYZ here, parents learn ABC there blah blah ...

1. Why should the South Indians be forced to learn Hindi because Hindi is the official language when English is also an official language and matter of fact a bigger contributor to India's growth than Hindi?

2. If you force one group of your citizens to learn the native language of another majority group, do you not realize that it makes the first smaller group automatic second class citizens? THINK from a fair legal and equitable means of running a country and respond from that point of view, not some pointless anecdotal story. If learning Hindi is important for someone, let them learn it themselves. But you enforcing a government policy for this makes your own citizens (no matter how many anecdotal stories you churn) makes your country's policy unfair, can't you see that? Put it simply - be honest with yourself, how would you feel if people in all Indian states are now forced to learn Tamil? Will the native Hindi speakers be happy? Answer honestly.


Article 343 of the Constitution of India stated that the official language of the Union is Hindi in Devanagari script, with official use of English to continue for 15 years from 1947. In 1963, a constitutional amendment, The Official Languages Act, allowed for the continuation of English alongside Hindi in the Indian government indefinitely until legislation decides to change it.[3] The form of numerals to be used for the official purposes of the Union are "the international form of Indian numerals",[14][15] which are referred to as Arabic numerals in most English-speaking countries.[2] Despite some misconceptions, Hindi is not the national language of India; the Constitution of India does not give any language the status of national language.[16][17]

The Eighth Schedule of the Indian Constitution lists 22 languages,[18] which have been referred to as scheduled languages and given recognition, status and official encouragement. In addition, the Government of India has awarded the distinction of classical language to Assamese, Bengali, Kannada, Malayalam, Marathi, Odia, Pali, Prakrit, Sanskrit, Tamil and Telugu. This status is given to languages that have a rich heritage and independent nature.[citation needed]
 
To those in this thread who say secession of South India will not happen, it is not as far off as you think, see the sources below (these are Indian sources lest the North Indians deny these) ...

Secession voices of South India grow louder -- https://www.dailypioneer.com/2024/c...voices-in-south-india-are-getting-louder.html

Republic of South India not unthinkable -- https://www.livemint.com/opinion/co...-not-entirely-unthinkable-11682879902820.html

A paper explaining the justification of South Indian secession -- https://www.change.org/p/south-india-independence-a-demand-for-a-separate-future-superpower

Congress politician of South Indian state advocating secession thanks to current BJP policies -- https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-position/articleshow/107331180.cms?from=mdr

 
I'm very curious now, IF South India does secede years down the road ...

1. Which city will be the capital of South India? Chennai? Bangalore? Hyderabad (Deccan)? Some other new city as a neutral city? Would love to get hypothetical thoughts from Indians regarding this.

2. What can Pakistan do to establish and normalize good trade relations with this potential Republic of South India?
 
I'm very curious now, IF South India does secede years down the road ...

1. Which city will be the capital of South India? Chennai? Bangalore? Hyderabad (Deccan)? Some other new city as a neutral city? Would love to get hypothetical thoughts from Indians regarding this.

2. What can Pakistan do to establish and normalize good trade relations with this potential Republic of South India?
This is ur main motif. South never had a chance to withstand invaders barbarism if north have not taken the brunt of it .i saw u have encouraged south secession in different threads too.In south kerala is on the edge of bankruptcy and andhra was almost there.now its getting better due to investments.Just south don't discriminate pak people openly doesn't mean they like u .south people are much more nuanced in showing hatred.
 
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This is ur main motif. South never had a chance to withstand invaders barbarism if north have not taken the brunt of it .i saw u have encouraged south secession in different threads too.In south kerala is on the edge of bankruptcy and andhra was almost there.now its getting better due to investments.Just south don't discriminate pak people openly doesn't mean they like u .south people are much more nuanced in showing hatred.
My motivation, my dream, my ambition, my fear - none of these matter. Just stick to facts. Focusing on the messenger instead of the message only shows you have no good points to offer and you actually agree with the facts I present.

I see that you skirted my question above. So let me paste it below and let's see if you can give an honest answer.

I'm not one who shies away from what Pakistan did before. Whatever North India is doing now, happened to the Bengalis pre 1971 and Bangladesh happened as a result. We are just drawing the same factual parallels in history to see where the current Indian government's actions towards South Indians will lead it to.

To me it is appalling that North Indians never see the hypocrisy in enforcing Hindi on South Indians and see it as a matter of fact.

My questions to you below

1. Why should the South Indians be forced to learn Hindi because Hindi is the official language when English is also an official language and matter of fact a bigger contributor to India's growth than Hindi?

2. If you force one group of your citizens to learn the native language of another majority group, do you not realize that it makes the first smaller group automatic second class citizens? THINK from a fair legal and equitable means of running a country and respond from that point of view, not some pointless anecdotal story. If learning Hindi is important for someone, let them learn it themselves. But you enforcing a government policy for this makes your own citizens (no matter how many anecdotal stories you churn) makes your country's policy unfair, can't you see that? Put it simply - be honest with yourself, how would you feel if people in all Indian states are now forced to learn Tamil? Will the native Hindi speakers be happy? Answer honestly.
 
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Outside of Tamilnadu I don’t think any south Indian state opposes Hindi vehemently.

Breaking of India over this issue is silly and will never happen.
 
Dravida parties are clowns. Their hate for everything not Tamil is silly. These silly folks even insult their own Dravidian gods thinking they are imported from Central Asia.
 
Outside of Tamilnadu I don’t think any south Indian state opposes Hindi vehemently.

Breaking of India over this issue is silly and will never happen.
Anti-Hindi Protests in Bangalore against Hindi - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...ctive-action-against-hindi-imposition-3191452

Kerala Govt being unhappy about responses in Hindi - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eplies-in-malayalam/articleshow/114920171.cms

Secession voices of South India grow louder -- https://www.dailypioneer.com/2024/c...voices-in-south-india-are-getting-louder.html

Republic of South India not unthinkable -- https://www.livemint.com/opinion/co...-not-entirely-unthinkable-11682879902820.html

A paper explaining the justification of South Indian secession -- https://www.change.org/p/south-india-independence-a-demand-for-a-separate-future-superpower

Congress politician of South Indian state advocating secession thanks to current BJP policies -- https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-position/articleshow/107331180.cms?from=mdr
 
Anti-Hindi Protests in Bangalore against Hindi - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...ctive-action-against-hindi-imposition-3191452

Kerala Govt being unhappy about responses in Hindi - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eplies-in-malayalam/articleshow/114920171.cms

Secession voices of South India grow louder -- https://www.dailypioneer.com/2024/c...voices-in-south-india-are-getting-louder.html

Republic of South India not unthinkable -- https://www.livemint.com/opinion/co...-not-entirely-unthinkable-11682879902820.html

A paper explaining the justification of South Indian secession -- https://www.change.org/p/south-india-independence-a-demand-for-a-separate-future-superpower

Congress politician of South Indian state advocating secession thanks to current BJP policies -- https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-position/articleshow/107331180.cms?from=mdr
I have lived 23 yrs of my life in south India. There are fringe groups who oppose Hindi and North Indians in general and harass them. Overwhelming majority have no issues.

The last 2 links are a joke. The rest have no weight. Dravidian parties and neo Buddhists are the ones that make such statements. Even among Dravidian parties, outside of tamilnadu no other political outfit hates Hindi or North Indians.
 
I'm very curious now, IF South India does secede years down the road ...

1. Which city will be the capital of South India? Chennai? Bangalore? Hyderabad (Deccan)? Some other new city as a neutral city? Would love to get hypothetical thoughts from Indians regarding this.

2. What can Pakistan do to establish and normalize good trade relations with this potential Republic of South India?
It would be an interesting dynamic. Most Pakistanis don't really know much about South India and the historical baggage is mainly with North India.
 
There's no reason to learn a useless language like Hindi; English is the way to go in this modern world.
 
Kamal Haasan Backs Stalin's Anti-Hindi Stand, Says ‘BJP Govt Trying To Turn India Into Hindia’

Actor-politician Kamal Haasan on Wednesday backed MK Stalin’s stand in the ongoing language controversy and accused the Centre of attempting to turn India into “Hindia" by “imposing" Hindi on the non-Hindi speaking states.

His remarks came while attending a meeting of the Tamil parties where a resolution on “Hindi imposition" and against delimitation was adopted and sent to Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

“The central government is trying to make all states speak Hindi and win polls with a majority. Our dream is ‘India’ and theirs is ‘Hindia’," he said.

Haasan’s remark was on the lines of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister MK Stalin’s ‘Hindia’ jab at Union Home Minister Amit Shah in 2019 when the latter had said on Hindi Diwas that this is “the one language that marks India’s identity in the world". Stalin had countered the remark, stating, “This is India, not Hindia".

Last week, Haasan had warned the Centre, “Tamilians have lost their lives for a language. Don’t play with this."

The ongoing controversy regarding ‘Hindi imposition’ stems from the three-language mandate in the National Education Policy 2020 – Hindi, English and a local language. The DMK-led Tamil Nadu government has said that it would not let the implementation of NEP take place in the state, waging a war of words with the Centre.

Kamal Haasan, along with several Tamil politicians, has been outspoken about the perceived imposition of Hindi on southern states. This long-standing controversy, which sparked violent clashes in the 1960s — coinciding with an Assembly election at the time — resurfaced last month. The latest flare-up followed a warning from Union Education Minister Dharmendra Pradhan, who warned that the Centre would withhold funds if its three-language policy was not implemented.

CM Stalin had written to PM Modi, alleging “blackmail", while deputy CM Udhayanidhi Stalin warned that Tamil Nadu is ready for another “language war".

 
There's no reason to learn a useless language like Hindi; English is the way to go in this modern world.

There's no reason you can't learn both. Or more precisely, learn English as a second language, and whatever qualifies as your local language as your first, be that Hindi, Tamil, or one of the other regional dialects.
 
If this dream turns into reality, SICB may join hands with the PCB to counter whatever is left of the BCCI. Interesting possibilities.
 
Anti-Hindi Protests in Bangalore against Hindi - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/...ctive-action-against-hindi-imposition-3191452

Kerala Govt being unhappy about responses in Hindi - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eplies-in-malayalam/articleshow/114920171.cms

Secession voices of South India grow louder -- https://www.dailypioneer.com/2024/c...voices-in-south-india-are-getting-louder.html

Republic of South India not unthinkable -- https://www.livemint.com/opinion/co...-not-entirely-unthinkable-11682879902820.html

A paper explaining the justification of South Indian secession -- https://www.change.org/p/south-india-independence-a-demand-for-a-separate-future-superpower

Congress politician of South Indian state advocating secession thanks to current BJP policies -- https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-position/articleshow/107331180.cms?from=mdr
Since we are playing up Manu Joseph,,


If there is a secret poll Gaza will vote to 'relocate'. Because the poor in a poor region have the opposite views of their rich expats.The correct way to frame the relocation question: Now that Palestinian elite live outside, can the poor too?
 
Since we are playing up Manu Joseph,,


If there is a secret poll Gaza will vote to 'relocate'. Because the poor in a poor region have the opposite views of their rich expats.The correct way to frame the relocation question: Now that Palestinian elite live outside, can the poor too?


The correct way to frame it would be to ask "Should the Palestinians agree to ethnic cleansing to save themselves from israeli Genocide?"

I would argue maybe yes.
 
Since we are playing up Manu Joseph,,


If there is a secret poll Gaza will vote to 'relocate'. Because the poor in a poor region have the opposite views of their rich expats.The correct way to frame the relocation question: Now that Palestinian elite live outside, can the poor too?

Manu is prone to expressing a lot of common sense in his articles, tis a malayali trait.
 
There's no reason you can't learn both. Or more precisely, learn English as a second language, and whatever qualifies as your local language as your first, be that Hindi, Tamil, or one of the other regional dialects.

Whatever. My problem with Hindi is that it is a dull language. English, with its sheer breadth & diverse vocabulary, has numerous words that can be used to express the same concept in varying shades of subtlety whereas Hindi requires long phrases and sentences to express such differences. This is probably the case for most of the world's languages - very limited in their depth. Just a thought.
 
Whatever. My problem with Hindi is that it is a dull language. English, with its sheer breadth & diverse vocabulary, has numerous words that can be used to express the same concept in varying shades of subtlety whereas Hindi requires long phrases and sentences to express such differences. This is probably the case for most of the world's languages - very limited in their depth. Just a thought.

Agree, English is a wonderfully expressive language. Maybe a bit ugly to the ears, but one of the advantages of diversity/colonialism is that you pick up many words from different cultures which enrich the language. Even the English language itself has adapted so many words from invaders or it's former colonies.
 
Whatever. My problem with Hindi is that it is a dull language. English, with its sheer breadth & diverse vocabulary, has numerous words that can be used to express the same concept in varying shades of subtlety whereas Hindi requires long phrases and sentences to express such differences. This is probably the case for most of the world's languages - very limited in their depth. Just a thought.
English is basically three or more languages in a trench coat, pretending to be one language. not that there is anything wrong with it.

BTW, did you look up Torquemada yet?
 
Whatever. My problem with Hindi is that it is a dull language. English, with its sheer breadth & diverse vocabulary, has numerous words that can be used to express the same concept in varying shades of subtlety whereas Hindi requires long phrases and sentences to express such differences. This is probably the case for most of the world's languages - very limited in their depth. Just a thought.
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