Hip Hop

[shaz619]

My Favourite Songs (not ranked on greatness, more like personal preference) :

Rap:

1. Still D.R.E. - Dr Dre feat Snoop Dog
2. California Love - Tupac/Dr Dre
3. Loose Yourself - Eminem
4. N.Y State Of Mind - Nas
5. In Da Club - 50 cent
6. Real Slim Shady - Eminem
7. Straight Outta Compton - N.W.A
8. Hypnotize - Biggie Smalls
9. Get Back - Ludacris
10. Juicy - Biggie Smalls
11. Heartless - Kanye West
12. Baby Got Back - Sir Mix a-Lot
13. Mockingbird - Eminem
14. Thugz Mansion - Tupac (Unreleased)
15. You Played Yourself - Ice T

Hip/Hop , Reggaeton or Jamaican:

1. Get Your Freak On - Missy Elliot
2. Temperature - Sean Paul
3. Let Me Blow your Mind - Eve feat. Gwen Stefani
4. My Humps - Black Eyed Peas
5. You Cant Touch This - MC HAMMER
6. Gasolina - Daddy Yankee
7. Get Busy - Sean paul
8. Press It Up - Sean Paul
9. Rompe - Daddy Yankee
10.One Minute Man - Missy Elliot


@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=46929" target="_blank">shaz619</a> Whaddya' think ?

I'd have Welcome to Jamrock by Damien Marley in your top 3 Hip/Hop, Reggaeton list. Otherwise it's a great list in terms of giving everyone a shout. I like how you have a number of Sean Paul singles there, during the early 2000's he was my favourite in that genre although he has adopted to the current era now so I don't listen to much of his "beats" wouldn't call them records.

Coolio - Gangster Paradise , Warren G - Regulate , Ice Cube - (No Vaseline, It was a good day, gangster rap made me do it, you know how we do it, until we rich) , Easy E - Real Mother G's and this gem:

All deserve a shout and can fall under the radar. I won't list my personal favourite as all you guys know it will be 2pac heavy but there are many gems which people may have also forgotten beyond the big hits.

Great list though SandyB !

 

[SandyB]

I'd have Welcome to Jamrock by Damien Marley in your top 3 Hip/Hop, Reggaeton list. Otherwise it's a great list in terms of giving everyone a shout.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] My rap knowledge isn't that diverse, I'm still discovering more and more about the 80's and early 90's rappers. It used to be all Eminem, and 50 Cent in my childhood. I discovered Tupac and Biggie, Ice Cube etc 5 years back.

I like how you have a number of Sean Paul singles there, during the early 2000's he was my favourite in that genre although he has adopted to the current era now so I don't listen to much of his "beats" wouldn't call them records.

Sean Paul is Da Man. He was one of the 1st rappers I discoverd alongside Eminem. Though his early works "tempearature" and "get Busy" are still the best , he still puts our interesting work. But last few years are more collaborative efforts, miss the solo reggae. Jamaican rap is very catchy by default, due to the language.

Coolio - Gangster Paradise , Warren G - Regulate , Ice Cube - (No Vaseline, It was a good day, gangster rap made me do it, you know how we do it, until we rich) , Easy E - Real Mother G's and this gem:

All deserve a shout and can fall under the radar.

The KRS-one song is cool. I'll try out the suggestions. There was this video on youtube by Ice-T , going and interviewing all the top rappers about the art (from dre and NWA till Kanye) . It's amazing. Every body sings a freestyle in it , the KRS one - bit was one of the best .

I won't list my personal favourite as all you guys know it will be 2pac heavy but there are many gems which people may have also forgotten beyond the big hits.

Great list though SandyB !

2 Pac is my favorite rapper too. Even though I concede, Eminem and Biggie may have had better flows, but Tupac was one of the most complete rappers. He had a great voice, great flow, style, presence and most importantly his song were poems, that carried huge philosophical depth and social commentary.

Ever listened to Thugz Mansion ? I feel it's so underrated amongst his works.

 

[humzy]

Lmao. Nas is easily in my top 5 of all time but I love how his hardcore fans overrate him. It's always nas or nothing for them. Take away Illmatic and what does he have? Yes he's still a brilliant rapper even without Illmatic and if someone wanted to become a rapper I would tell them to study Nas' flow before anyone else but he has made a lot of rubbish music as well and only has 2 real classic albums.

He doesnt need anything else other then illmatic, it is the pinnacle of art when it comes to album making.

His only problem is his beat selection, other then that he is simply the greatest.

On the other hand you have great beat selectors but mediocre rappers like Rick Ross or Kanye West.

But purely in terms of rappers i would consider Nas the greatest.

If we are talking achievements then obviously it would be between Pac or Em or Jay. Big didnt have enough of a catalogue to really be considered on achievements alone.

 

[Abdul]

Your whole gang do the mannequin challenge when I walk in with that AR-15.

 

[SandyB]

He doesnt need anything else other then illmatic, it is the pinnacle of art when it comes to album making.

His only problem is his beat selection, other then that he is simply the greatest.

On the other hand you have great beat selectors but mediocre rappers like Rick Ross or Kanye West.

But purely in terms of rappers i would consider Nas the greatest.

If we are talking achievements then obviously it would be between Pac or Em or Jay. Big didnt have enough of a catalogue to really be considered on achievements alone.

Its strange that Nas sort of tapered off after his Debut album ..

I guess having someone like Dre. Doing the Beats, helped a lot of those West coast rappers. The East cost didn't have a music producer that prolific.

Didn't Biggy have a better flow ?

 

[shaz619]

Good post [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] you and [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] go on youtube and type frass hill - tight , it's also one of my favourites in the reggaeton genre

 

[humzy]

Its strange that Nas sort of tapered off after his Debut album ..

I guess having someone like Dre. Doing the Beats, helped a lot of those West coast rappers. The East cost didn't have a music producer that prolific.

Didn't Biggy have a better flow ?

East certainly had great producers if not better then the West. Nas's first album included DJ Premier, Q Tip and Pete Rock. These guys are just as revered in hip hop circles as Dre (maybe not in the mainstream arena though).

I think the creative role and executive production of the first album was held by someone else which is why it was so clear and visionary, you must remember Nas was only 18 at the time so he would have just focused on the raps.

However most of the subsequent albums would have had Nas take the lead in terms of executive production, therefore the corny beats and pull towards a mainstream sound.

Yeah it can be argued that biggie had a better flow but in my opinion Nas had the overall talent, he could run rings around Big when it came to writing deep introspective lyrical poetry.

If you really think about it, Biggie really started the whole club gangster era with popping bottles in the club and driving luxury cars, which to me is boring, however he did it so well that people still give him props.

 

[SandyB]

I just discovered M.I.A ( "Maya" Arulpragasam) recently . I had known of her earlier from the "Slumdog Millionaire" soundtrack, though I didn't know she was a big deal !

Been going through her discography since last week, WHAT AN ARTIST ..!!

• Incredibly innovative, controversial and bold artist !
• Her music mostly deals with the plight of refugees, war and immigration, she being a SL Tamil refugee herself
• She directs most of her own music videos, who does that !
• Very innovative music style, cool wordplay amazing voice and accent !
• One of the few remaining Hip-Hop artists who still use Rap as a form of protest or political expression . !

Why doesn't she have the same mainstream appeal compared to vastly inferior female rappers like Nikki Minaj or Iggy ?

Even the so called "Beyonce" doesn't make the same amount of political impact with the kind of subjects that M.I.A. deals with ....

Her videos are absolutely brilliant , but this one is my Favourite.. :

Bad Girls :

Been playing on a loop since past 3-4 days,


Has to be one of the top 5 Hip-Hop videos of all time ..!

[MENTION=49152]humzy[/MENTION], [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION], [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Whaddya think ?

 

[Salman]

RIP - Prodigy from Mobb Deep has passed away, one of the better mc's from the 90's.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...as-died-aged-42-after-performing-in-las-vegas

 

[marlonbrowndo]

RIP - Prodigy from Mobb Deep has passed away, one of the better mc's from the 90's.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...as-died-aged-42-after-performing-in-las-vegas

Really sad news. Shook ones is one of my all time favourites

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Kanye West is the greatest hip hop artist of all time. Kendrick Lamar has a chance to go down as the GOAT by the time he retires

Just listened to Pusha Ts discography from start to finish. Unreal flow. Unreal lyricism. As good as rap gets

 

[marlonbrowndo]

That being said, Jay Z is probably my favourite rapper despite his discography not being as good overall as Kanye’s

 

[Bilal_103]

Any hip hop fans here? And I don't mean people who listen to garbage like Lil Uzi, Future, 21 Savage etc. I mean real hip hop. It is probably my favourite genre along with classic rock.

It's too hard to pick my favourite rappers in order so I'll list my top 5 albums instead

1) Reasonable Doubt (Jay-Z)
2) The Eminem Show/MMLP (Eminem)
3) Life After Death (The Notorious B.I.G.)
4) Illmatic (Nas)
5) All Eyez on Me (2pac) and Good Kid M.A.A.D. City (Kendrick Lamar)

What are yours?

My personal favorites are Nas, Lupe, Kanye, JCole, and Joey Badass. honorable mentions Asap rocky, Jeezy, Drake, Jay z, Kendrick, schoolboy q, Ti, I like hiphop so I'll listen to anything sometimes you need to listen to the hot garbage just to appreciate the timeless classics lol. Lil baby is popping these days haha.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kanye West is the greatest hip hop artist of all time. Kendrick Lamar has a chance to go down as the GOAT by the time he retires

Just listened to Pusha Ts discography from start to finish. Unreal flow. Unreal lyricism. As good as rap gets

That being said, Jay Z is probably my favourite rapper despite his discography not being as good overall as Kanye’s

Jay Z and West are not even in the top 10 lol. Greatest rappers are not those who sold the most but their writing and rapping skils, along with their energy and personality. A brick has more personality than those two.

1. Pac
2. Biggie

Others

Nas
LL Cool J
Paris
Snoop
Ice Cube
Dre
50
Easy E
M&M

 

[Bigboii]

Jay Z and West are not even in the top 10 lol. Greatest rappers are not those who sold the most but their writing and rapping skils, along with their energy and personality. A brick has more personality than those two.

1. Pac
2. Biggie

Others

Nas
LL Cool J
Paris
Snoop
Ice Cube
Dre
50
Easy E
M&M

greatest producer Kanye is hands down right there but as a rapper I agree he is good but not that good

 

[Bigboii]

My personal favorites are Nas, Lupe, Kanye, JCole, and Joey Badass. honorable mentions Asap rocky, Jeezy, Drake, Jay z, Kendrick, schoolboy q, Ti, I like hiphop so I'll listen to anything sometimes you need to listen to the hot garbage just to appreciate the timeless classics lol. Lil baby is popping these days haha.

bro you need to listen to black thought man for real he is good

he is from that band root if you watched Jimmy Fallon you'll know

 

[Bilal_103]

greatest producer Kanye is hands down right there but as a rapper I agree he is good but not that good

plus kanye doesn't even write his own verses. Sonically he is top tier but as a rapper he is not that skilled. I feel like people throw in biggie and Tupac just because of the legacy aspect of it. in terms of lyrics there are better rappers.

 

[Bigboii]

Everyone sleeping on J Cole tho I mean he is not there yet but I personally rate him higher than Kendrick

I hope they get into a beef so we can hear their dis tracks ( selfish yes but...)
Hip Hop is soft these days man for real everyone is way to friendly imo

 

[Bilal_103]

bro you need to listen to black thought man for real he is good

he is from that band root if you watched Jimmy Fallon you'll know

I have heard of him. I think he is from philly, but I havent listened to him much do you have any recommendations?

 

[KingKhanWC]

greatest producer Kanye is hands down right there but as a rapper I agree he is good but not that good

Dr Dre is far superiour producer, GOAT.

Which is Kanye's best production?

 

[Bigboii]

plus kanye doesn't even write his own verses. Sonically he is top tier but as a rapper he is not that skilled. I feel like people throw in biggie and Tupac just because of the legacy aspect of it. in terms of lyrics there are better rappers.

Tupac had the privilege of being in LA tbh man I mean they put their people on a pedestal

but biggie was more lyrical than pac so I don't think biggie is "hyped"

 

[Bilal_103]

Everyone sleeping on J Cole tho I mean he is not there yet but I personally rate him higher than Kendrick

I hope they get into a beef so we can hear their dis tracks ( selfish yes but...)
Hip Hop is soft these days man for real everyone is way to friendly imo

people are judging cole just based on his albums his older stuff is amazing like; farewell of dreams, killers, 3 wishes, and premeditated murder.

 

[Bigboii]

Dr Dre is far superiour producer, GOAT.

Which is Kanye's best production?

NAH!!!! WHAT YOU TALKIN ABOUT BRO!!
he basically made Jay Z's career, made some of Drakes beats I think
Changed Hip hop's beat style with THE college dropout, he is a pioneer of the modern hip hop sound gave us Graduation and know a half-focused Kanye still makes bomb "production" wise songs

Dre is good but when you talk about greatest producer music period one will mention Kanye

 

[Bigboii]

I have heard of him. I think he is from philly, but I havent listened to him much do you have any recommendations?

you got me, super lyrical, his freestyle on hot 97, his freestyle with mos def, Eminem,

 

[KingKhanWC]

NAH!!!! WHAT YOU TALKIN ABOUT BRO!!
he basically made Jay Z's career, made some of Drakes beats I think
Changed Hip hop's beat style with THE college dropout, he is a pioneer of the modern hip hop sound gave us Graduation and know a half-focused Kanye still makes bomb "production" wise songs

Dre is good but when you talk about greatest producer music period one will mention Kanye

Modern Hip Hop is mostly garbage bro, for the kids of now who haven't even heard of Paris or Public Enemy.

Name his best produced track? I dont rate Jay Z much.

 

[Bigboii]

Modern Hip Hop is mostly garbage bro, for the kids of now who haven't even heard of Paris or Public Enemy.

Name his best produced track? I dont rate Jay Z much.

I mean music is very much dependent on one's taste so we are just on different wave lengths tbh and if you are not ratting Jay Z like that than I don't know
(don't mix trap with modern hip hop beat like that TI was responsible for that not Kanye)

 

[KingKhanWC]

I mean music is very much dependent on one's taste so we are just on different wave lengths tbh &#55357;&#56833; and if you are not ratting Jay Z like that than I don't know
(don't mix trap with modern hip hop beat like that TI was responsible for that not Kanye)

Agree bro it is subjective but not rapping, it's all about poetry, ryhmes, strong bass beats and not least the message. Hip hop started off as a political movement giving a loud voice to important issues. Sure its evolved but those rappers who totally forget this, are no hip hop stars but pop stars who rap and very poorly too. Jay Z and West are not even in the top 100 rappers in the history of the US, in terms of skills.

I assume you never heard of Paris?

We will agree to disagree.

 

[Bigboii]

Agree bro it is subjective but not rapping, it's all about poetry, ryhmes, strong bass beats and not least the message. Hip hop started off as a political movement giving a loud voice to important issues. Sure its evolved but those rappers who totally forget this, are no hip hop stars but pop stars who rap and very poorly too. Jay Z and West are not even in the top 100 rappers in the history of the US, in terms of skills.

I assume you never heard of Paris?

We will agree to disagree.

You are right Public enemy yes but no Paris
but we are not talking about Kanye's rapping skills I agree with you on that but I am just talking about him as a producer

and Jay Z is in top 10 for sure a wast majority of people will say that I know some people don't like what he raps about which I get it but purely skill wise he is right up there at the mount Rushmore of Rappers

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are right Public enemy yes but no Paris
but we are not talking about Kanye's rapping skills I agree with you on that but I am just talking about him as a producer

and Jay Z is in top 10 for sure a wast majority of people will say that I know some people don't like what he raps about which I get it but purely skill wise he is right up there at the mount Rushmore of Rappers

West hasn't produced any album as good as Guerilla Funk. I can name more which people havent heard of .

 

[Technics 1210]

If you love Hip Hop, watch 'Scratch'. Superb documentary on how the 1210s were responsible for the birth of Hip Hop.

 

[Bilal_103]

West hasn't produced any album as good as Guerilla Funk. I can name more which people havent heard of .

West is easily one of the most influential artist/producer of all time. Every single album of his apart from MBDTF shifted the music industry. He beat 50 cent and put a end to the gangster rap/ glamour hip hop by being himself. Furthermore 808s and Heartbreak paved the way for modern day hiphop. You cant deny that he is a trendsetter. As far as jay goes have you ever listened to reasonable doubt?

 

[Bilal_103]

Modern Hip Hop is mostly garbage bro, for the kids of now who haven't even heard of Paris or Public Enemy.

Name his best produced track? I dont rate Jay Z much.

has to be Gone from the soul sample flip to the drums to the various string melodies building throughout, it is the embodiment of everything kanye does best.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Been listening to a lot of solo Wu Tang member albums recently. Liquid Swords and Cuban Linx are both absolute masterpieces

 

[topspin]

I've been listening to rap since 2002. Eminem's Lose Yourself was the tune that sparked my interest in the genre.

My favourite all-time album is The Documentary by Game. If you haven't heard it, you're seriously missing out.

Hip-hop lost out big time with the feud between Game and 50 Cent. Also, G-unit was richer with Game.

In my opinion, the best rapper in the game (at present) is Kendrick Lamar. There are so many rappers who sound good in the studio but absolute trash on the mic when they are performing live. This isn't the case with Kendrick, I watched him live at the O2, two years ago and he was nothing short of brilliant.

I see there's not much approval of the modern rap tunes but the beats are definitely superior. Whether you approve of Drake or not, there is no doubt he is already more influential than Michael Jackson.

Been hooked on the following tunes of late:

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Jay Z and West are not even in the top 10 lol. Greatest rappers are not those who sold the most but their writing and rapping skils, along with their energy and personality. A brick has more personality than those two.

1. Pac
2. Biggie

Others

Nas
LL Cool J
Paris
Snoop
Ice Cube
Dre
50
Easy E
M&M

Jay is widely considered the GOAT among both hardcore hip hop fans and his peers which is the most important thing. He has ticked every box as a rapper. Classic albums, Amazing technical ability (flow, technical ability etc), relevance throughout the years even at this age (compare to the likes of Snoop, Eminem etc who are absolutely irrelevant as rappers), commercial success.

You cannot give me any evidence that states that anyone on that list is on Jay Zs level if you look at careers as a whole. In fact it is insulting to compare

Eazy E (no peer respect or anything. Didn’t write his lyrics)

50 cent (1 classic album. Completely irrelevant after that. Just an internet troll).

Dre (doesn’t write his lyrics. Respected as a producer but not really as a rapper)

Snoop (same as 50. One great album. Barely any musical relevance after)

Who is Paris?

It’s hilarious to put LL Cool J up there.

I’ve been a blind Em fan over the last few years but as you mature you realize how irrelevant his recent music is even if it’s technically impressive and how poorly some of his classic stuff has aged.

The only 3 rapper son the list who can be compared to Jay are Biggie, Pac and Nas. And all 3 lack something that Jay has.

2pac has the impact, lyrics etc but he doesn’t have the same technical ability. And through no fault of his own doesn’t have the longetivity so we don’t know how well he would’ve been able to adapt to music now like Jay has with a classic like 4 44.

Biggie has the lyrics, classic albums and probably better technical ability than Jay but his catalogue is even smaller than Pacs.

Nas is the most complete album but unfortunately because of his classic debut which could never be matched, a string of bad albums and poor production choices, he hasn’t managed to stay too relevant outside of the hardcore hip hop scene.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Jay is widely considered the GOAT among both hardcore hip hop fans and his peers which is the most important thing. He has ticked every box as a rapper. Classic albums, Amazing technical ability (flow, technical ability etc), relevance throughout the years even at this age (compare to the likes of Snoop, Eminem etc who are absolutely irrelevant as rappers), commercial success.

You cannot give me any evidence that states that anyone on that list is on Jay Zs level if you look at careers as a whole. In fact it is insulting to compare

Eazy E (no peer respect or anything. Didn’t write his lyrics)

50 cent (1 classic album. Completely irrelevant after that. Just an internet troll).

Dre (doesn’t write his lyrics. Respected as a producer but not really as a rapper)

Snoop (same as 50. One great album. Barely any musical relevance after)

Who is Paris?

It’s hilarious to put LL Cool J up there.

I’ve been a blind Em fan over the last few years but as you mature you realize how irrelevant his recent music is even if it’s technically impressive and how poorly some of his classic stuff has aged.

The only 3 rapper son the list who can be compared to Jay are Biggie, Pac and Nas. And all 3 lack something that Jay has.

2pac has the impact, lyrics etc but he doesn’t have the same technical ability. And through no fault of his own doesn’t have the longetivity so we don’t know how well he would’ve been able to adapt to music now like Jay has with a classic like 4 44.

Biggie has the lyrics, classic albums and probably better technical ability than Jay but his catalogue is even smaller than Pacs.

Nas is the most complete album but unfortunately because of his classic debut which could never be matched, a string of bad albums and poor production choices, he hasn’t managed to stay too relevant outside of the hardcore hip hop scene.

Unfortunately your list shows a lack of understanding of hip hop and is extremely basic. Which is fine. Nothing wrong with that

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Jay is widely considered the GOAT among both hardcore hip hop fans and his peers which is the most important thing. He has ticked every box as a rapper. Classic albums, Amazing technical ability (flow, technical ability etc), relevance throughout the years even at this age (compare to the likes of Snoop, Eminem etc who are absolutely irrelevant as rappers), commercial success.

You cannot give me any evidence that states that anyone on that list is on Jay Zs level if you look at careers as a whole. In fact it is insulting to compare

Eazy E (no peer respect or anything. Didn’t write his lyrics)

50 cent (1 classic album. Completely irrelevant after that. Just an internet troll).

Dre (doesn’t write his lyrics. Respected as a producer but not really as a rapper)

Snoop (same as 50. One great album. Barely any musical relevance after)

Who is Paris?

It’s hilarious to put LL Cool J up there.

I’ve been a blind Em fan over the last few years but as you mature you realize how irrelevant his recent music is even if it’s technically impressive and how poorly some of his classic stuff has aged.

The only 3 rapper son the list who can be compared to Jay are Biggie, Pac and Nas. And all 3 lack something that Jay has.

2pac has the impact, lyrics etc but he doesn’t have the same technical ability. And through no fault of his own doesn’t have the longetivity so we don’t know how well he would’ve been able to adapt to music now like Jay has with a classic like 4 44.

Biggie has the lyrics, classic albums and probably better technical ability than Jay but his catalogue is even smaller than Pacs.

Nas is the most complete album but unfortunately because of his classic debut which could never be matched, a string of bad albums and poor production choices, he hasn’t managed to stay too relevant outside of the hardcore hip hop scene.

In the last paragraph I meant to write “Nas is the most complete rapper*”

 

[topspin]

We shouldn't forget 21 Savage, Migos, Cardi B and Lil Pump for their contributions to hip-hop.

We always hear about Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas and etc who were all-time greats but modern hip-hop is also lit.

 

[Bigboii]

We shouldn't forget 21 Savage, Migos, Cardi B and Lil Pump for their contributions to hip-hop.

We always hear about Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas and etc who were all-time greats but modern hip-hop is also lit.

you joking or are you serious?

 

[Bigboii]

In the last paragraph I meant to write “Nas is the most complete rapper*”

His beat choices just made his album lack something that Jay Z had with Kanye

you Know I think nas was Superman but Jay Z was Batman and Robin (Kanye)

 

[topspin]

you joking or are you serious?

What's wrong with them?

21 Savage, Migos, Cardi B and Lil Pump will be remembered for generations to come and will probably end up being more influential than Michael Jackson.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Anyone been following Drake-Kendrick Lamar feud?

Apparently Kendrick Lamar destroyed Drake in his ‘Not like us’ diss track. Won the Grammy for it.

And then performed the diss track at the Superbowl last week.

Some crazy stuff. How does Drake ever recover from this. lol

 

[Bhaijaan]

Made his ex girlfriend Serena Williams do crip walk as he performed the diss track