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Hitler? Why did he hate the Jews?

This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much? Did they actually do something to him in person or to any one he knew? I would like everyones intake on this. The guy definately had a huge impact on our history and is responsible for the world order that prevails today. If there was no Hitler and Nazism, they would never have been a proper justification or the need to create the State of Israel today.
 
Savak said:
This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much? Did they actually do something to him in person or to any one he knew? I would like everyones intake on this. The guy definately had a huge impact on our history and is responsible for the world order that prevails today. If there was no Hitler and Nazism, they would never have been a proper justification or the need to create the State of Israel today.
well thats over simplification. jews have had the brunt of discrimination for over 500 years before the Nazi party took it a step too far. If anything, Israel is the creation of the imcompetence of Europe to reconcile with a minority it had long discriminated against and did not rise to the occassion of assimilating them into their civilizations.
 
actually the creation of israel didnt happen because of anti semtic reasons. the British used the Zionist lobby as a geopolitical issue which the british at the time believed an Israel (pro-British) in the middle east would help break up the French colonies (Syria and a few others), this in turn would help the British accomplish its own oil supply as it wouldnt have to rely on other oil exporting nation (pro or anti Britain)..... which would allow the British to power their large navy ... consequently still be in control of the seas
as for hitler and hating jews, well ask hussain_026!
 
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world_peace said:
actually the creation of israel didnt happen because of anti semtic reasons. the British used the Zionist lobby as a geopolitical issue which the british at the time believed an Israel (pro-British) in the middle east would help break up the French colonies (Syria and a few others), this in turn would help the British accomplish its own oil supply as it wouldnt have to rely on other oil exporting nation (pro or anti Britain)..... which would allow the British to power their large navy ... consequently still be in control of the seas
as for hitler and hating jews, well ask hussain_026!

I never thought that the British were especially pro-Israeli, given the strict jewish immigration quotas set during the mandate - & the rejection of mass post war jewish immigration (despite US pressure) to maintain the region's demographics - Not to mention our general antipathy towards the Jewish agency given the amount of British soldiers killed by terrorists in the post war years.

It was US pressure that got the UN to 'take over' the mandate that made Britain's position untenable and led to the declaration of the state of Israel
 
world_peace said:
actually the creation of israel didnt happen because of anti semtic reasons. the British used the Zionist lobby as a geopolitical issue which the british at the time believed an Israel (pro-British) in the middle east would help break up the French colonies (Syria and a few others), this in turn would help the British accomplish its own oil supply as it wouldnt have to rely on other oil exporting nation (pro or anti Britain)..... which would allow the British to power their large navy ... consequently still be in control of the seas
as for hitler and hating jews, well ask hussain_026!

It seems that some people on this forum are really afraid of this guy
 
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pear said:
I never thought that the British were especially pro-Israeli, given the strict jewish immigration quotas set during the mandate - & the rejection of mass post war jewish immigration (despite US pressure) to maintain the region's demographics - Not to mention our general antipathy towards the Jewish agency given the amount of British soldiers killed by terrorists in the post war years.

It was US pressure that got the UN to 'take over' the mandate that made Britain's position and led to the declaration of the state of Israel

the British was never pro-israel at any tme.

here is an extract of a book im reading:

"a century of war: Anglo -American oil politics and the new world order"
 

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The old Balfour declaration - quaint stuff - back when nationalism actually meant something (not something good - just something) - Thankfully WWII spanked the life out of any interest in continuing imperialism (although it took the reality and national psyche a while to catch up)

Understanding national interests is far easier than understanding all of the shady trans national corporate power politics and lobbying going on today
 
Hitler's hatred for Jews were based on a few things. Mainly because he did spend a while as a bum in Vienna - a struggling artist without any direction or a home but he'd see a lot of successful Jews around so got a sense of hatred for them. Secondly I believe one of his parents were the result of a Jewish man raping their servant (dont remember if it was his mum or dad though). I imagine it was his dad as he wasnt particularly fond of his father
 
We've been studying about him in school, he's quite interesting, from the books at school part of the reason was because he believed it was the Jews fault for Germany losing the war and all their land etc.
 
Hitler did exterminate Jews, but i think they way it is wrote in history its exxagerated. I mean fair enough he ordered it, but some atrocities were carried out by the German officers, without the knowledge of Hitler. Remember that Historian not so long ago denied the Holocaust, and he was imprisoned, and when he came out he admitted he was wrong in doubting it. But was he tortured whilst in prison to make him change his views, was it a case simply of realizing his foolishness, or something else maybe?

What you guys think?
 
Holocaust denial is a crime in Austria and Germany - Irving knew he would be arrested if he set foot in Austria on a ten year old warrant, but he chose to go there anyway (to give a talk to some slightly suspect chaps)

I'm sure his books got a big sales boost from his free speech martyrdom
 
Savak said:
This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much?

Theses have been written on this.

I read that his mother was very sick and the family doctor, who was a Jew, could not save her.

I think he was just obsessed with the idea of racial purity - a so-called Aryan super-race. Anyone whom he thought contaminated that purity was got rid of. Not just Jews but Poles, Slavs, Blacks, Gypsies.

Originally he wanted to ally with the British, to re-unite the Angle and Saxon tribes.

Oddly enough, he was very fond of the Afghans and Sikhs. Maybe he considered them the ancestors of his blond German 'supermen'.
 
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Maybe he was just doing his job......


what he was asked to do rather than a personal option!
 
Rana said:
Maybe he was just doing his job......


what he was asked to do rather than a personal option!

by who?
 
Savak said:
This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much? Did they actually do something to him in person or to any one he knew? I would like everyones intake on this. The guy definately had a huge impact on our history and is responsible for the world order that prevails today. If there was no Hitler and Nazism, they would never have been a proper justification or the need to create the State of Israel today.

hitler hate jews for the usual reasons (they were responsible for WWI losses of germany, they were looting the country, blah, blah, blah).

but perhaps most crucial was his obsessive fear that he was himself of jewish descent. hitler went to great lengths to destroy the "evidence" that he had a jewish grandfather or something.
 
There isn't going to be any logical reason for his hatred for the Jews, if that is what you are looking for.

The man was a maniac. Maniacs do not follow logic.
 
The funny thing is Hitler accused the jews of doing alot of things which they didnt, he blamed them and saw them as a 5th column in German and European society..

The thing is EVERYTHING Hitler said about the jews has become true, IN PALESTINE...
Hitler described the jews as evil
Land Grabbing
Money Grabbing
Deceitfull
etc etc etc

And look what they did in Palestine


The jews did everything in Palestine that they were accused of doing by the Nazi's.......



When it came to the creation of Israel there was a variety of reasons, including
Finding A place to out European Jews who no longer wanted to live in Germany (the jews were moving to UK, France) the UK and other powers didnt want that.
The leaders of jewish community took the chance pushed for an israeli jewish homeland in Palestine.
This was supported by christian leaders and because muslims were weak and palestinians were unable to defend themselves the nation of israel was created...





For the last 50 years they have treated muslims in Palestine like dirt, Hitler may not have had a legitimate reason for hating the jews,

BUT MUSLIMS DO.

If you look at history, we muslims didnt treat the jews that badly compared to the christians, we gave them alot of support we allowed the jews to flourish in Spain and Turkey and in North Africa, even in Persia..

The jews faced the hardest times during and prior to the second world war where it was once again EUROPEANS WHO BUTCHERED THEM...

The jews responded by seriously screwing muslims..

Muslims didnt deserve it....




No muslim should trust them again, they havent changed since the days of the Sahaba, even over the last few days they have killed over 100 muslims
 
why am i not surprised! (statement, not question)
 
One theory is that he was rejected by a Jewish girl he fell in love with during his teenage years.

Another theory is that he was part jewish himself, and you know what ethnic minorities are like when they get a sniff of power, slave turned slave driver syndrome!
 
As said in his book 'Mein Kampf', he wrote that early in his life he saw Jews being prosperous. Owning majority of the buisnesses and hiring others to do the work. There was hatred which was building within Hitler since he was poor, and eventually along with the hatred towards communism, etc, once he got power he went after everything that was outside of a perfect Human being.

Now, If I may predict if Hitler did live on than we (muslims) would've been his next targets.
 
SIince the Hitler topic came up, it is quite puzzling to learn that over 300 000 scientists, engineers, politicians etc from the Nazy regime just dissapeared after the end of the war without a trace. No one has any clue about their where abouts still, god knows what the hell is going on or what they could be planning or have already planned and are now in affect..
 
Romali_rotti said:
SIince the Hitler topic came up, it is quite puzzling to learn that over 300 000 scientists, engineers, politicians etc from the Nazy regime just dissapeared after the end of the war without a trace. No one has any clue about their where abouts still, god knows what the hell is going on or what they could be planning or have already planned and are now in affect..

Every one knows that a majority of the Nazi War Criminals fled to South America after WW2. The Israelis captured Adolf Eichmann in 1961 the highest ranking Nazi to be captured ever. But some Nazi Scientists were given sanctuary by the US and Britain because Germany at that time had the best scientists in the world. The US used them for their technology development. The US should thank the Nazi's for a lot of things like the space program, intercontinental ballistic missiles, satelite e.t.c
 
Ado (as he liked to be called), was bought up in a very strict catholic family/background.

Also, it was a JEWISH senior soldier's reccomendation which helped Hitler join the army!


I think also, Adolph, had greed and power as some of his motivational drivers
 
It is said that if the Jews did not exist, Hitler would have invented the jews. This uniform hatred for the jews brought the country together and allowed to elect him as their leader. The final solution though, I am not sure if it was a continuation of the propaganda efforts or if it was a personal vendetta.
 
Doesn't the Qur'an speak of the Jews twice making trouble on earth and twice being humiliated??.Once was probably the holocaust but what do others think of the second prediction?
Do Nazi's still hate Jews in particular??.
 
probably not called nazi's anymore, but theres a group/clan/gang for everything!
so i expect theres a jewish hating one somewhere

Hitler used the 'scare the public' tactics like Bush and co are doing now to the World.
 
Savak said:
This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much? Did they actually do something to him in person or to any one he knew? I would like everyones intake on this. The guy definately had a huge impact on our history and is responsible for the world order that prevails today. If there was no Hitler and Nazism, they would never have been a proper justification or the need to create the State of Israel today.

Because everyone hates the Jews, basically. The Jews were rich and successful, and people, particularly those in post-WW1 Germany, didn't like that. (Myself excluded though, I don't hate anyone.)

Read Mein Kampf mate. It's an abhorrent book, but it will give you an insight into the answers to your question.
 
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Savak said:
Every one knows that a majority of the Nazi War Criminals fled to South America after WW2. The Israelis captured Adolf Eichmann in 1961 the highest ranking Nazi to be captured ever. But some Nazi Scientists were given sanctuary by the US and Britain because Germany at that time had the best scientists in the world. The US used them for their technology development. The US should thank the Nazi's for a lot of things like the space program, intercontinental ballistic missiles, satelite e.t.c

Easy tiger! The myth about Nazis finding sanctuary in South America is hugely exagerrated to deflect attention from what actually happened to them. They were swallowed up by the western powers for their intellectual abilities and given new identities, these powers wanted to have the edge in ballistic and nuclear sciences.
I have travelled extensively in S America and have family there in Brasil and every time I meet someone with a Germanic surname I ask the hard questions and make jokes about Colditz and sunbeds but I have no reason to believe German immigration to SA is any different to what happened in North America 100 or so years ago. There was a period of sustained emigration to SA for economic reasons, as there were Italians, Spanish and even a million Japanese, before the 2nd world war.
 
SameerM said:
probably not called nazi's anymore, but theres a group/clan/gang for everything!
so i expect theres a jewish hating one somewhere

Hitler used the 'scare the public' tactics like Bush and co are doing now to the World.
To be a Nazi is an offense now. But there are Nazis popping up all over the place. Particularly in Israel where just 3 months ago this group of 12 Nazi's went on a rampage and killed 18 Jews.
 
^ also in the Gangs tv show whic Ross kemp was doing.. sick 'nazi' like views... even in places like America... Germany, Russia.
 
farewell_gilchrist said:
jews have had the brunt of discrimination for over 500 years before the Nazi party took it a step too far

just a step?
 
Pak_cricketer said:
To be a Nazi is an offense now. But there are Nazis popping up all over the place. Particularly in Israel where just 3 months ago this group of 12 Nazi's went on a rampage and killed 18 Jews.


that was all prettt weird, those individuals were allowed entry into israel on the basis of their jewish ancestory... :20:

well i guess it's warmer than eastern europe
 
Pak_cricketer said:
To be a Nazi is an offense now. But there are Nazis popping up all over the place. Particularly in Israel where just 3 months ago this group of 12 Nazi's went on a rampage and killed 18 Jews.

I think the new wave is called "Neo-nazis" AmI correct in saying this?
 
Amir said:
I think the new wave is called "Neo-nazis" AmI correct in saying this?

Yep, there referred to as 'Neo-Nazi's'. There are a lot of them (as you would expect i suppose) in Poland and Russia.
There was a programme by Ross Kemp about Neo Nazi's in Russia in 'Ross Kemp on gangs'.
 
Savak said:
This guys has always fascinated me. Yes there are plenty of racists, antisemitists, nationalists around the world. But Hitler's hatred of Jews goes way beyond even normal hatred. I have never been able to truely figure out why did he hate Jews so much? Did they actually do something to him in person or to any one he knew? I would like everyones intake on this. The guy definately had a huge impact on our history and is responsible for the world order that prevails today. If there was no Hitler and Nazism, they would never have been a proper justification or the need to create the State of Israel today.


Having read Mein Kampf a few years ago, just out of curiosity, I think if I remember correctly he tends to justify his hatred for jews from a typical hate monger tendency to "right past wrongs because my group has been blatantly persecuted or victimized" argument. He blames the occurence of some instances - some traitors, some pimps, who happen to be jews, as a "typical trait of all jews" by citing certain historical claims as well.

The first chapter is actually very well written and you almost start sympathizing with his poor, orphan background and the struggles he faced all the way unto adult hood. As a struggling painter and construction worker, he had aspirations to become an architect, but he struggled admirably to realize his dreams.

He then goes into rants about how he suffered at the hands of communists, who were apparently bullying him when he questioned their ideology and calls for strikes and join unions.

He just comes across as a typical conservative till then... Then comes the jew bashing. He identifies Jews as the progenitors of Communism, that he establishes as an evil ideology in the second and third chapters, with its intention to snuff out excellence. Karl Marx being a jew, also helps his pov. He identifies Jews as the sole proponents of mediocrity in an otherwise excellence seeking German/Austrian culture.

And how they betrayed the fatherland in WW-I, due to their moral weakness.... how they are turning "pure, innocent" German peasant girls into prostitutes.

He reinforces more hate by branding jews as having "ugly" semitic features like "long hooked nose", "dark hair", to obvious de-humanize them by branding them as dirty and filthy as "sewer rats" and "vermin".

He is so committed to provoking hate against them that he proposes to treat anti-semitism as a venerable ideology.

He does this by trying to distinguish between himself and others before him.. he says others before him had failed because they tried to discriminate against jews solely due to their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS and as a result got hung up on religious technicalities, which were not understood by the German masses.

He takes credit for correctly identifying JEWs as a RACIAL group and not a RELIGIOUS group... and for correctly explaining the actual grievances against their community, that the German people could actually understand.

Its their weakness as a RACE, he says, that compel them to push a culture of mediocrity on their otherwise "excellence-aspiring" Aryan culture. And they will continue to do that, so that they can penetrate every branch of Germanic culture and parasitically feed on the "great ones".
 
Robert said:
Theses have been written on this.

Oddly enough, he was very fond of the Afghans and Sikhs. Maybe he considered them the ancestors of his blond German 'supermen'.


lol.. mate, when he even despised SLAVs who are physically bigger and stronger and actually did contribute more to science than any Sikh or Afghan ever has... its ridiculous to think he was "fond of people of other races".. just read the third and fourth chapters of main kampf where he vilifies jews for having "dark hair and eyes... and hooked noses".... I bet a majority of Sikhs and Afghans have such features as well....

He called the slavs an "inferior slave race", do you think he would even care a dime about dark skinned, smaller Sikhs and Afghans other than they would be a steady supply of foot soldiers and save the precious blood of his blonde haired, blue eyed soldiers ?

If you read Mein Kampf, he is a racial narcissist to an unimaginable level.. he allied with Bosnians against Serbs, Croats and Kossacks, Baltics and Ukranians against Poles, slavs, central asians and Jews... similarly Japanese against rest of Asians...

And once he spoke a few complimentary words about those people, they too tried to see themselves fit in his vision: "our superior people" against the other "inferior people".

He really got a lot of his evil work done by such clever use of language, but he really never thought highly of any1 other than northern europeans.

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There were freaks of course, like Maximiana Portas, a european nazi who was called "Hitler's chief priestess" who converted to Hinduism by marrying a Hindu Brahmin, changed her name to "Savitri Devi" and wrote against the pathetic jew-worshipping cult of christianity.

She believed that Hitler was an Avatar of Hindu God Vishnu and once Hitler conquered entire europe, he would impose a Caste system like the one in India on the entire continent... with the German and european elite being something like Brahmins and Rajputs... and everyone worshipping the Aryan Vedic Gods, based on her own wierd interpretation of Hindu religion.

George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of modern American neo-nazi movement and who was cleverly assassinated by FBI, was one of her biggest disciples..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi
 
I heard that Hitler once called a visiting Japanese Ambassador and commented privately to his entourage that he looked like a mutant. Man was evil too the core.
 
I think all European countries hated the Jews for some reason.
Even in English literature you only have to look at the hate figures jews were portrayed as, such as Shylock in the Merchant of Venice and Fagin in Oliver Twist.
 
Amir said:
I think the new wave is called "Neo-nazis" AmI correct in saying this?

Yes you are.

TAK said:
where is it an offfence pak_cricketer?

Most countries reckon that Nazi is a terrorist organization.

jiripoca said:
I think all European countries hated the Jews for some reason.
Even in English literature you only have to look at the hate figures jews were portrayed as, such as Shylock in the Merchant of Venice and Fagin in Oliver Twist.

Yes, this was because the Jews spread out. They had no real home because Israel was not a proper state. They weren't wanted anywhere, even Canada had a law against them in the early 1900's.
 
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I reckon sooner or later the Jews of Israel are gonna get owned again.I'll have absolutely no sympathy with them when that time comes.
 
Inswinger said:
You cant trust mot Jews. All they care about is their own benefit.

I thought that is a human tendency and not just a jewish one.
 
Hehehehe. Bump. I guess we must be one of the most sympathetic people on Earth to Hitler especially after what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians right now.
 
I think we need to be careful when talking about Israel and Jews, as what we really mean is Zionists.
 
Savak said:
Hehehehe. Bump. I guess we must be one of the most sympathetic people on Earth to Hitler especially after what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians right now.
sorry but no .. what hitler did was wrong just like what israel is doing is wrong!
 
from_da_lost_dim3nsion said:
sorry but no .. what hitler did was wrong just like what israel is doing is wrong!

I was not being serious in the first place.
 
As much as I despise Israel - and believe me I really do, I could never ever condone, even secretly what Hitler did.

But Israel uses this as justification for its oppression of Palestinians - obviously with approval from the USA andthe pathetic neigbouring Arab 'leaders'

Hitler was just a vile, crazy individual.

But he has a huge following in the world - Neo Nazis are prevalent all over Europe - and the West is quite happy with that.
 
Unfortunately for the moderate and good Jewish people, what Israel are doing is fuel to the Hitler-wannabes.
 
from_da_lost_dim3nsion said:
sorry but no .. what hitler did was wrong just like what israel is doing is wrong!
Gujar said:
I think we need to be careful when talking about Israel and Jews, as what we really mean is Zionists.

Correct and correct.
 
Savak said:
Hehehehe. Bump. I guess we must be one of the most sympathetic people on Earth to Hitler especially after what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians right now.

I have a question based on Savak's comment. I do not mean to offend. Given what has happened to the Palestinians in Gaza today, how many of you here think that Hitler failed to do the world a favour when the Final Solution to exterminate the Jewish people failed to be carried out? Would the world be a better place if there were no Jews? After all, if Nazi Germany's Final Solution had been carried out (and he had to have had SOME reason for picking out the Jews) and the ovens of Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka etc had done their job, there would be no Occupied Palestine today, and no Gaza massacres. As Goebbels said:

In his diary entry of December 13, 1941, the day after Hitler’s private speech, Joseph Goebbels wrote:

"Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer is determined to clear the table. He warned the Jews that if they were to cause another world war, it would lead to their own destruction. Those were not empty words. Now the world war has come. The destruction of the Jews must be its necessary consequence. We cannot be sentimental about it. It is not for us to feel sympathy for the Jews. We should have sympathy rather with our own German people. If the German people have to sacrifice 160,000 victims in yet another campaign in the east, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their lives."[5]

Echoing his above statements along with the January 30, 1939 speech by Hitler, in an article written in 1943 entitled "The War and the Jews" Goebbels wrote:

"None of the Führer's prophetic words has come so inevitably true as his prediction that if Jewry succeeded in provoking a second world war, the result would be not the destruction of the Aryan race, but rather the wiping out of the Jewish race. This process is of vast importance, and will have unforeseeable consequences that will require time. But it can no longer be halted. It must only be guided in the right direction."[6]

And Hitler said:

After this decision, plans were made to put the Final Solution into effect. For example, on December 16, at a meeting of the officials of the General Government, Hans Frank referred to Hitler's speech as he described the coming annihilation of the Jews:

"As for the Jews, well, I can tell you quite frankly that one way or another we have to put an end to them. The Führer once put it this way: if the combined forces of Judaism should again succeed in unleashing a world war, that would mean the end of the Jews in Europe. ...I urge you: Stand together with me ... on this idea at least: Save your sympathy for the German people alone. Don't waste it on anyone else in the world, ... I would therefore be guided by the basic expectation that they are going to disappear. They have to be gotten rid of. At present I am involved in discussions aimed at having them moved away to the east. In January there is going to be an important meeting in Berlin to discuss this question. I am going to send State Secretary Dr. Buhler to this meeting. It is scheduled to take place in the offices of the RSHA in the presence of Obergruppenführer Heydrich. Whatever its outcome, a great Jewish emigration will commence. But what is going to happen to these Jews? Do you imagine there will be settlement villages for them in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: Why are you making all this trouble for us? There is nothing we can do with them here in the Ostland or in the Reich Commissariat. Liquidate them yourselves! ... Here are 3.5 million Jews that we can't shoot, we can't poison. But there are some things we can do, and one way or another these measures will successfully lead to a liquidation. They are related to the measures under discussion with the Reich.... Where and how this will all take place will be a matter for offices that we will have to establish and operate here. I will report to you on their operation at the appropriate time."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

Israel is the only country (aside from Saudi Arabia I think) built on the premise of a religion, where discrimination is practiced against people of different religions, and people of different religions are unwelcome.

I'm just curious, given what has been posted on this forum by people of late. I don't have an opinion one way or another (though as a Christian, I should probably hate the Jews as they pushed to have Jesus nailed to the Cross, but I don't hold that against them as that was so long ago and I wasn't born then :D).

Someone (I think Informer or Observer or someone) said that 99% of all Jews are Zionists. And Jews have insinuated themselves into senior positions in most major western countries (e.g. financial institutions in the US, government positions, etc). The Jewish Lobby controls Barack Obama, who continues to support Israel with his actions though his words say otherwise.

And keep in mind - Bernie Madoff = Jew (in fact, the stereotype of a cheating, lying, scheming Jew, he could be straight out of the Merchant of Venice). Most of the heads of Wall St investment houses that brought on this New Depression with their frigging around with subprime mortgages = Jews. Those who have been committing atrocities against civilians in Gaza = Jews. People using flechettes against children = Jews. People who massacred 1000+ innocent civilians in response to a few harmless rockets being fired into their territory = Jews.

So let's not beat around the bush here, let's talk bluntly and honestly about this issue (within what the moderators determine would be civil discourse of course). Would the world be a better place without Jews? They seem to be (again based on history) at the centre of every problem that our world has encountered. Are they more trouble then they are worth?

EDIT: Thoughtful responses only please.
 
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OZGOD said:
I have a question based on Savak's comment. I do not mean to offend. Given what has happened to the Palestinians in Gaza today, how many of you here think that Hitler failed to do the world a favour when the Final Solution to exterminate the Jewish people failed to be carried out? Would the world be a better place if there were no Jews? After all, if Nazi Germany's Final Solution had been carried out (and he had to have had SOME reason for picking out the Jews) and the ovens of Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka etc had done their job, there would be no Occupied Palestine today, and no Gaza massacres. As Goebbels said:



And Hitler said:



Israel is the only country (aside from Saudi Arabia I think) built on the premise of a religion, where discrimination is practiced against people of different religions, and people of different religions are unwelcome.

I'm just curious, given what has been posted on this forum by people of late. I don't have an opinion one way or another (though as a Christian, I should probably hate the Jews as they pushed to have Jesus nailed to the Cross, but I don't hold that against them as that was so long ago and I wasn't born then :D).

Someone (I think Informer or Observer or someone) said that 99% of all Jews are Zionists. And Jews have insinuated themselves into senior positions in most major western countries (e.g. financial institutions in the US, government positions, etc). The Jewish Lobby controls Barack Obama, who continues to support Israel with his actions though his words say otherwise.

And keep in mind - Bernie Madoff = Jew (in fact, the stereotype of a cheating, lying, scheming Jew, he could be straight out of the Merchant of Venice). Most of the heads of Wall St investment houses that brought on this New Depression with their frigging around with subprime mortgages = Jews. Those who have been committing atrocities against civilians in Gaza = Jews. People using flechettes against children = Jews. People who massacred 1000+ innocent civilians in response to a few harmless rockets being fired into their territory = Jews.

So let's not beat around the bush here, let's talk bluntly and honestly about this issue (within what the moderators determine would be civil discourse of course). Would the world be a better place without Jews? They seem to be (again based on history) at the centre of every problem that our world has encountered. Are they more trouble then they are worth?

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Pakistan was also built on religious ideology. the premise was a separate homeland for the indian muslims. thats just an add in.

however, if u look historically, muslims made their first treaty and that was with the jews in madina and jews broke that treaty. Quran brands jews as the chosen people. it maintains that more prophets came to the children of israel then any other race. however, it also maintains that they are now a cursed nation.

a quick look historically on the history of the jews indicates this point also. babylonians captured this race back in the BC and took them as slaves. Romans after jesus went out for the jews as well. In Madina, jews broke a treaty with the muslims and were expelled. in the middle ages, france expelled all the jews, so did britain, after spain fell from the muslims during the crusades, jews who were living with the muslims, decided to follow the muslims into africa and the middle east. even in jarusalem when we recaptured it, we gave everyone a clean sheet, that after richard the lion heart had every muslim beheaded in God's land. even there muslims gave status to christians and the jews because in the muslim belief, they are people of the book ( on whoom the book has been revealed in the past). long story short hitler went on against them and they inturn took up arms against the muslims. speaking from theology, Mohammad(pbuh) had said, one of the events leading up to the second coming of Jesus will be, that jews will return to the promised land.

Quran defines them both as a promised nation and later as a cursed nation. example of this is, they have never found peace, they are in wilderness, you can have all the money, all the defense but if u cant sleep peacefully at night, then i am sorry , its just not worth it. May God guide us all
 
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Weird thing about Hitler was that he was right about the jews.

Lets not be daft enough to condone Holocaust or GENOCIDE (that would make us no better then the Nazi's or israel)....


But the history of the muslims and jews has been FAR FAR better then the history of the jews/christians, there have been many pogroms against jews across Europe and many christian lands.

Im not legitimising every muslim-jewish interaction throughout history there is good and bad but our history with them is far better then there history with the christians-Europeans...

With this in mind it is INFURIATING that the jews after the Holocaust decided to treat muslims so poorly and have attempted to treat muslims with the same disdain the Nazi's treated the jews with





Hitler was an animals & he lied about the extent of jewish subversion in Germany and used it as an excuse to exterminate jews,

BUT, everything Hitler said about the jews, how they will steal land, money etc HAS COME TRUE IN PALESTINE,


The jews should have been looking for peace, instead they have laid the foundation of generations of hatred & animosity towards them...

It is truly absurd, what they have done. They think they are powerfull, but the demographics of israel alone mean that the Palestinians will outnumber them in israel in the coming years..
 
it was his excuse.. use the jews so he can have more power.. greed
 
hussain_0216 said:
Weird thing about Hitler was that he was right about the jews.

Lets not be daft enough to condone Holocaust or GENOCIDE (that would make us no better then the Nazi's or israel)....


But the history of the muslims and jews has been FAR FAR better then the history of the jews/christians, there have been many pogroms against jews across Europe and many christian lands.

Im not legitimising every muslim-jewish interaction throughout history there is good and bad but our history with them is far better then there history with the christians-Europeans...

With this in mind it is INFURIATING that the jews after the Holocaust decided to treat muslims so poorly and have attempted to treat muslims with the same disdain the Nazi's treated the jews with





Hitler was an animals & he lied about the extent of jewish subversion in Germany and used it as an excuse to exterminate jews,

BUT, everything Hitler said about the jews, how they will steal land, money etc HAS COME TRUE IN PALESTINE,


The jews should have been looking for peace, instead they have laid the foundation of generations of hatred & animosity towards them...

It is truly absurd, what they have done. They think they are powerfull, but the demographics of israel alone mean that the Palestinians will outnumber them in israel in the coming years..

My post might have come across the wrong way - I wasn't condoning the Final Solution or anything. I was just wondering if the world would have been a better place today if things had turned out differently. In a way the Jews have kind of become what had been persecuting them. Hatred has begotten hatred, and violence has begotten violence.
 
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Big Daddy said:
Quran defines them both as a promised nation and later as a cursed nation. example of this is, they have never found peace, they are in wilderness, you can have all the money, all the defense but if u cant sleep peacefully at night, then i am sorry , its just not worth it. May God guide us all

Doomed to wander in the wilderness forever waiting for the Messiah.
 
OZGOD said:
Doomed to wander in the wilderness forever waiting for the Messiah.

thats exactly it. they rejected him in his first coming. lets hope they get it right in his second coming.
 
Informer, I've been reading the Jewish articles you've been posting and I'm curious mate. I'm the first to admit that I only have a layman's knowledge of the whole Arab-Israeli conflict and don't really have a strong opinion one way or another - in fact I'm Catholic and my religion persecuted both Jews and Muslims. But in the spirit of discussion, do you think that maybe the world would be a better, more peaceful place if Hitler had succeeded in exterminating the Jews? Is committing an atrocity on a people who (maybe) deserve it worth it if it prevents another atrocity on a people who don't?

If a million Jews have to die to save a million Palestinian lives, would you support it?
 
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But in the spirit of discussion, do you think that maybe the world would be a better, more peaceful place if Hitler had succeeded in exterminating the Jews?
I heard same or more number of Jews died in Russia (probably Stalin time). My guess will be the way they were killed or the parties involved in making one a issue and not the other
 
read mein kempf..book he wrote whilst in prison

His hatred of jews mainly relied on Jews at the time owning most businesses in Germany at the time he was growing up, there was definitely injustice by the jews towards the common man, as in the jewish businessman would hire only jews thus making hard for non jews to work (and this was time during the depression era when evryone was suffering) also after world war I when Germany were hit hard with reparations,but the not the jews...they were living the lavish lifestyle that non jews werent... along with that Jews did hate everyone else... this pretty much along with some deep personal experiences with jews led hitler creating the nazi party and etc
 
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Hitler was just a sick sick person with an extremely twisted mind, its a shame he killed himself before anyone else could have given him a death more deserving for what he did

as for him being part jewish - i believe this is just a rumour that he was actually a Rothschild who had an affair with their slave girl who gave birth to Hitler lol

but, what else may or may not be true is that Rothschild(a zionist jew) financed the world wars as he controlled the oil which in effect financed Hitler, its also a fact that the company who created the gas chambers were owned by Rothschild?!

and i doubt Hitler liked the Afghans - there are some views the original name for the country which was Khurusan and means 'we arrived safely' refers to the jews who migrated and arrived there safely so basically, afghanis are the original jews lol
so there are many people who believe the Afghanis and Kashmiris are one of the lost tribes of Israel!

Afghanistan
Various tribes of Afghanistan, especially the Pathans, have received perhaps the largest amount of attention from the seekers of Ten Lost Tribes. The theory was originally advanced by European travelers to the region, but it was later adopted by some Jews. They believe that Afghanistan is probably the most suitable place for a search for the Ten Lost Tribes, and even by some local Muslim inhabitants of Afghanistan. The earliest theory about the Ten Lost Tribes origin of Afghan tribes was lanced already towards the end of the 18th century by Sir William Jones (1746-1794), an early researcher of Indian studies, in an introduction that he wrote to the English translation of the "Secrets of the Afghans" by Henry Vasittart (1732-1770), the British governor of Bengal and one of the first Europeans with an interest in Afghan history and traditions. This theory found a strong supporter in Henry Walter Bellew (1834-1892), an Indian born English surgeon with a distinguished career in the British administration of India. Bellew elaborated extensively about the possible connection between various ethnic groups of Afghanistan and the Ten Lost Tribes and tried to prove his assumptions by suggesting a likeness between biblical and historic place names, Hebrew words and given names and local place names in Afghanistan and some words from the languages and dialects spoken in that country. He also advanced a supposed similarity of customs and habits between the two peoples and, typically for a 19th century researcher, even endeavored to establish a resemblance between the physiognomy of Afghan tribes and that of the "Jewish type". Bellew was succeeded by many travelers and explorers to Afghanistan and the neighboring areas who occasionally suggested new elements that could enhance the belief in a link between the tribes of Afghanistan and the Ten Lost Tribes.

Kashmir

Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes Kashmir by Rabbi Marvin Tokayer - Moshiach Online

To the east of those parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan inhabited by the Pathans, when one goes east, is the Indian State of Kashmir.

The Lost Tribes (Israelite Origin of the Kashmiri People) – The Tomb of Jesus Christ (Christian)

It seems hardly coincidental that such a large number of tribes, castes, cities, etc. would have names equivalent to Biblical ones unless there were some kind of connection between the people of Afghanistan and Kashmir and the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.
 
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I dont understand why is it such a serious crime to doubt whether the holocast ever took place on the scale as has been mentioned in history. I read about a professor who was given a 20 year jail sentence for denying the holocaust. Even more unbelievable, Israel apparently is the only country in the world which can conduct full fledged researches into the Holocaust.
 
i think holocaust is BS... i dont believe 2 milion jews were killed during that even if it happened
 
Foozee said:
i think holocaust is BS... i dont believe 2 milion jews were killed during that even if it happened

Totally agree with you. It was all fabricated by America to create Israel. I saw a tv show about it. Even those camps like Auschwitz were created by Hollywood producers to make them look real.
 
Big Daddy said:
Pakistan was also built on religious ideology. the premise was a separate homeland for the indian muslims. thats just an add in.

Totally different. We went through hell in India for at least a decade or more, therefore we fought and created Pakistan. What did the Jews ever go through to be 'given' Palestine? They didn't even fight for it like we fought and defeated the Indians for Pakistan. They were just given it by Britain and America. You cannot compare the two. Besides its debatable whether the land that is now Pakistan ever belonged to India in the first place. My uncle told me that Pakistan was always meant for a country of Muslims, and it is written so on ancients maps, which the Indian government has conviniently lost. Thats the main different, Pakistanis had a land which was always theirs, and had to fight to get it back. Jews went through nothing and were given their own country. So do not compare the two.
 
Foozee said:
i think holocaust is BS... i dont believe 2 milion jews were killed during that even if it happened

i agree that the numbers have been vastly exaggerated - 6 million included any group of people Hitler despised, jews, gays etc
but whether it was 6 million 2 million or 200,000 jews it was still a disgusting act committed against the jewish people
of course they dont deserve Palestine because of this, but you cannot deny what Hitler did to many many jews
 
looking at what the jews are doing to palestinians... im actually liking this hitler guy atm
 
Hitler and Jews.

Hi guys this is a question that has had several answers & I always argue with my friends that yes they were Jews, but may be I am wrong so what is your opinion about this, below is my theory about these events:

If you read history you will come across The Holocaust, it was the period when Hitler killed 7 million Jews from Europe it covers WW2 but the Holocaust started before that.

Some people say that Hitlers killing was a part of Balfour Declaration but then what strikes my mind is that Hitler was from Germany & had nothing to do with Balfour Declaration (which was establishing Jews in ME from British Govt), Some people say that Hitler killed Muslims & Christians, but then again 7 million people died in the holocaust & due to less migration in those days there were not many Muslims in Europe for Hitler to kill let alone Germany which had very few, it is believed that there used to be 9 million Jews before the holocaust until Hitler killed them the current Jews Population in Europe is 2 million, some people say that it was a plan to send Jews to Middle East & claim that they died but let me ask that Jews were in Israel (which is a part of ME) from thousands of years so why should Hitler send them from Germany or Europe & then again the Palestine-Jews conflict is on from the ottoman empire not from 1945.
 
Well no I don't think Hitler himself killed any Jews.

The Nazi's did however. And it had nothing at all to do with the Middle East and everything to do with ethnic cleansing to ensure a pure Aryan race.
 
Random Aussie said:
Well no I don't think Hitler himself killed any Jews.

The Nazi's did however. And it had nothing at all to do with the Middle East and everything to do with ethnic cleansing to ensure a pure Aryan race.
Off course Hitler did not go there & kill but what I am saying is that he ordered the killings
 
haroonrasheed320 said:
Off course Hitler did not go there & kill but what I am saying is that he ordered the killings

If you make these feelings known in public in the West, you'll be labelled an anti-Semitic and be fired from your job.

Just letting you know. :)
 
tahaqureshi said:
If you make these feelings known in public in the West, you'll be labelled an anti-Semitic and be fired from your job.

Just letting you know. :)

I think it goes beyond that, I remember there was a recent case when some eminent scholar/historian was facing jail time because he was a Holocaust denier.

anyway, the number of Jews killed by Hitler remains an issue for me, I'm not sure 6.5 million is right
 
haroonrasheed320 said:
Hi guys this is a question that has had several answers & I always argue with my friends that yes they were Jews, but may be I am wrong so what is your opinion about this, below is my theory about these events:

If you read history you will come across The Holocaust, it was the period when Hitler killed 7 million Jews from Europe it covers WW2 but the Holocaust started before that.

Some people say that Hitlers killing was a part of Balfour Declaration but then what strikes my mind is that Hitler was from Germany & had nothing to do with Balfour Declaration (which was establishing Jews in ME from British Govt), Some people say that Hitler killed Muslims & Christians, but then again 7 million people died in the holocaust & due to less migration in those days there were not many Muslims in Europe for Hitler to kill let alone Germany which had very few, it is believed that there used to be 9 million Jews before the holocaust until Hitler killed them the current Jews Population in Europe is 2 million, some people say that it was a plan to send Jews to Middle East & claim that they died but let me ask that Jews were in Israel (which is a part of ME) from thousands of years so why should Hitler send them from Germany or Europe & then again the Palestine-Jews conflict is on from the ottoman empire not from 1945.

Yes he did. Irrespective of how people feel about Jews, it's difficult to deny the fact that they were victims of genocide during WWII. They've been a hated race since the time of Egypt, by everyone. (Except me, I don't hate anyone and have no reason to.)

This has been discussed before, for more info read

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=53878&highlight=jews
 
he was not a good human because of killing people....
 
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