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Hong Kong’s airport authority suspended flights for a second day on Tuesday as thousands of protesters staged another rally at the busy international travel hub.

The action marked the fifth consecutive day of protests at the airport in the Chinese territory, which has been roiled by 10 weeks of increasingly violent clashes between police and pro-democracy protesters.

It came as the United Nations high commissioner for human rights urged Hong Kong’s authorities to exercise restraint and investigate evidence of its forces firing teargas at protesters in ways banned under international law.

Check-in operations were suspended at the airport at 4.30pm (0930 BST) as protesters gathered in the arrivals hall, as well as some departure areas, using luggage trolleys to blockade the doors to customs checkpoints.

Floors and walls were covered with notes penned by activists and other artwork. The scene was peaceful as protesters spoke to travellers, explaining their motives.

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Rights groups and democracy activists have accused police of using increasingly excessive force. At least 40 people were treated in hospital after clashes on Sunday, including a woman who was reportedly hit with a beanbag round fired from a police shotgun and could lose an eye.

Medical staff at more than a dozen public hospitals elsewhere in the territory staged a sit-in on Tuesday against police tactics and the government’s refusal to accede to protesters’ demands. The Civil Human Rights Front, a group which has organised several of the mass marches over the past two months, called for a new rally on Sunday.

Michelle Bachelet, the UN human rights commissioner, urged authorities to exercise restraint. “Officials can be seen firing teargas canisters into crowded, enclosed areas and directly at individual protesters on multiple occasions, creating a considerable risk of death or serious injury,” she said in a statement that called for an investigation.

The unprecedented cancellation of all flights on Monday coincided with the latest in an increasingly threatening series of statements by Beijing. A Chinese official said “terrorism” was emerging in the city, while in Hong Kong authorities demonstrated water cannon for use in crowd control.

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China releases video showing troop carriers moving to Hong Kong border – video
Late on Monday night, two Chinese state media outlets ran videos showing armoured personnel and troop carriers purportedly driving to Shenzhen, which borders Hong Kong.

On Tuesday, the territory’s chief executive, Carrie Lam, warned that violence was pushing Hong Kong in a dangerous direction. “Violence, no matter if it’s using violence or condoning violence, will push Hong Kong down a path of no return, will plunge Hong Kong society into a very worrying and dangerous situation,” she said.

Lam, who faced fierce questioning from local reporters and at one point appeared to be on the verge of tears, appealed for calm.

“Take a minute to think, look at our city, our home, do you all really want to see it pushed into an abyss,” Lam said, although she again refused to make any concessions to the protesters.

Clad in black and wearing face masks, the unofficial uniform of the protests, demonstrators at the airport on Tuesday chanted: “Stand with Hong Kong, fight for freedom” as passengers scrambling to catch rescheduled and delayed flights passed through the airport.

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Hong Kong's Carrie Lam heckled after evading questions on extradition bill – video
“Of course we apologised to people who are affected by our actions but we hope they understand what we are fighting for,” said a protester called Vanessa Lee. “We spared some [space] for them to do their check-in process and we are trying to leave them.”

Pablo Cacara, from Slovakia, said he had been stuck in Hong Kong since Monday evening. Asked about whether he was cross about missing his flight, he replied: “This is just a small problem. The problem they are trying to solve is much much bigger.”

The protests began as opposition to a now-suspended bill that would have allowed suspects’ extradition to mainland China, but have swelled into wider calls for democracy.

Demonstrations have plunged the Chinese territory into its most serious crisis in decades, presenting President Xi Jinping with one of his biggest challenges since he came to power in 2012.

Chris Patten, Hong Kong’s last British governor, warned on Tuesday that Chinese intervention would be catastrophic, and said Xi should see the wisdom of trying to bring people together.

Patten said it was counterproductive of the Chinese to warn of “other methods” if the protests did not stop.

“That would be a catastrophe for China and of course for Hong Kong,” Patten told the BBC. “Since President Xi has been in office, there’s been a crackdown on dissent and dissidents everywhere. The party has been in control of everything.”

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The former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997 with a guarantee that under a “one country, two systems” mode of governance, the city would retain a high degree of autonomy, an independent judiciary and freedoms not allowed on the mainland.

Demonstrators say they are fighting the erosion of the “one country, two systems” arrangement.

Reuters and Agence France-Presse contributed to this article


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/hong-kong-airport-reopens-as-trudeau-urges-china-to-address-serious-concerns
 
Seems big troop movement at border also so something afoot.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is just across Hong Kong’s border with China. If you have tears, prepare to shed them now. <a href="https://t.co/vGRHaodnKk">pic.twitter.com/vGRHaodnKk</a></p>— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1161184725962240000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President Trump: "The Hong Kong thing is a very tough situation, very tough. We'll what see what happens. But I'm sure it'll work out. I hope it works out for everybody, including China, by the way." <a href="https://t.co/QJrFWiUOLu">pic.twitter.com/QJrFWiUOLu</a></p>— MSNBC (@MSNBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1161309681006129153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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feel for hong kongers, they are used to a relatively liberal westernised way of living, and whilst mainland china accepts the hegemony of the communist party as a fair price to pay for economic development, hong kongers have nothing to gain from eventual absorption of the SAR into the PRC. the fact that it has a ticking clock on it perhaps makes it even more potentially explosive.

on a side note the hong kongers really know how to protest, brought the system to an absolute halt, the organisation and determination is impressive.
 
feel for hong kongers, they are used to a relatively liberal westernised way of living, and whilst mainland china accepts the hegemony of the communist party as a fair price to pay for economic development, hong kongers have nothing to gain from eventual absorption of the SAR into the PRC. the fact that it has a ticking clock on it perhaps makes it even more potentially explosive.

on a side note the hong kongers really know how to protest, brought the system to an absolute halt, the organisation and determination is impressive.

The protest is by Hong Kong Millennials, surprised the hell out of China.

Hong Kong isn’t enjoying the economic prosperity of China compared to Shanghai, Hong Kong was already well to do, this is remarkably cunning by British imo, got the population used to freedom and then let the dragon take over.
 
If Chinese can't control this soon, Taiwan is next.
 
The protest is by Hong Kong Millennials, surprised the hell out of China.

Hong Kong isn’t enjoying the economic prosperity of China compared to Shanghai, Hong Kong was already well to do, this is remarkably cunning by British imo, got the population used to freedom and then let the dragon take over.

Hong Kong was 27% of Chinese economy in 1993 but only 3% today. Hong Kong isn't as important as it used to be and hence the Chinese government has less desire to give in to the antics of the Hong Kong people

 
Hong Kong was 27% of Chinese economy in 1993 but only 3% today. Hong Kong isn't as important as it used to be and hence the Chinese government has less desire to give in to the antics of the Hong Kong people


Not about that. China has many autonomous regions. They can't be seen giving in.
 
Hong Kong was 27% of Chinese economy in 1993 but only 3% today. Hong Kong isn't as important as it used to be and hence the Chinese government has less desire to give in to the antics of the Hong Kong people


Yup , smart by the Chinese then, they waited before they implemented such laws which are bothering the millennials there, they are smart wont do another Tinanmen square
 
Hong Kong was 27% of Chinese economy in 1993 but only 3% today. Hong Kong isn't as important as it used to be and hence the Chinese government has less desire to give in to the antics of the Hong Kong people

no doubt, but it doesnt justify the actions though, its obvious hong kong cant resist the mainland, but its sad for the people of hong kong, and what you describe as "antics" are incredibly courageous imo, knowing there is no victory but still standing for what you believe in. more power to HK i say.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many are blaming me, and the United States, for the problems going on in Hong Kong. I can’t imagine why?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1161324294800121857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Low-level protests had been going on for weeks but this is taking it to the next level. It seems like China is preparing to use force to tackle this now. If they do, expect no one to do anything except hash out a few tweets.

I wonder what some of the Pakistanis have to say on China attempting to take away some of the special rights/autonomy granted to Hong Kong 2 decades ago.
 
Thats a huge loss, no one is going to be happy with that, corporates that rule the world arent going to be impressed.

Thats a war level loss, but since its stocks it will come up..but man whoever short it made lot of money!
 
no doubt, but it doesnt justify the actions though, its obvious hong kong cant resist the mainland, but its sad for the people of hong kong, and what you describe as "antics" are incredibly courageous imo, knowing there is no victory but still standing for what you believe in. more power to HK i say.

Courageous? Attacking police and buses?

What do these protesters want?
 
Courageous? Attacking police and buses?

What do these protesters want?

Quick guide
What are the Hong Kong protests about?

Why are people protesting?

The protests were triggered by a controversial bill that would have allowed extraditions to mainland China, where the Communist party controls the courts, but have since evolved into a broader pro-democracy movement.
Public anger – fuelled by the aggressive tactics used by the police against demonstrators – has collided with years of frustration over worsening inequality and the cost of living in one of the world's most expensive, densely populated cities.
The protest movement was given fresh impetus on 21 July when gangs of men attacked protesters and commuters at a mass transit station – while authorities seemingly did little to intervene.
Underlying the movement is a push for full democracy in the city, whose leader is chosen by a committee dominated by a pro-Beijing establishment rather than by direct elections.
Protesters have vowed to keep their movement going until their core demands are met, such as the resignation of the city’s leader, Carrie Lam, an independent inquiry into police tactics, an amnesty for those arrested and a permanent withdrawal of the bill.


Why were people so angry about the extradition bill?

Beijing’s influence over Hong Kong has grown in recent years, as activists have been jailed and pro-democracy lawmakers disqualified from running or holding office. Independent booksellers have disappeared from the city, before reappearing in mainland China facing charges.
Under the terms of the agreement by which the former British colony was returned to Chinese control in 1997, the semi-autonomous region was meant to maintain a “high degree of autonomy” through an independent judiciary, a free press and an open market economy, a framework known as “one country, two systems”.
The extradition bill was seen as an attempt to undermine this and to give Beijing the ability to try pro-democracy activists under the judicial system of the mainland.


How have the authorities responded?

Lam has shown no sign of backing down beyond agreeing to suspend the extradition bill, while Beijing has issued increasingly shrill condemnations but has left it to the city's semi-autonomous government to deal with the situation. Meanwhile police have violently clashed directly with protesters, repeatedly firing teargas and rubber bullets.
Beijing has ramped up its accusations that foreign countries are “fanning the fire” of unrest in the city. China’s top diplomat Yang Jiechi has ordered the US to “immediately stop interfering in Hong Kong affairs in any form”.
Lily Kuo and Verna Yu in Hong Kong
 
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Courageous? Attacking police and buses?

its a protest of hundreds of thousands that's been going on for months now, the fact that there has been so little violence despite recorded use of force by the government and its proxies, including non official agents, is testament to the organisation and patience of the protesters.

What do these protesters want?

political influence of the mainland in the SAR.
 
Yes , I didn’t post that Chinese are waiting it out i feel , good strategy [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]

Protests have been going on for the last 10 weeks and they have been becoming more and more violent.

Protestors have attacked the police headquarters on multiple occasions after which the headquarter shuttered its gates and became inoperable for hours, protestors have also besieged government buildings and hurled petrol bombs at police officers and government buildings.

Angry mobs also halted the the MTR train system that carries 5 million passengers every day, bringing the city to a halt. There are protests almost every other day and clashes between riot police and protestors last into the wee hours of the morning.

Hong Kong is becoming lawlessness. Flash mobs roam the streets and attack police officers, block roads and set fires to rubbish bins and other debris. Hong Kong has never experienced such chaos and lawlessness before.

China is unlikely to deploy the military as it fears international backlash. For the time being, it is counting on the HK Police to quell the uprising.
 
Protests have been going on for the last 10 weeks and they have been becoming more and more violent.

Protestors have attacked the police headquarters on multiple occasions after which the headquarter shuttered its gates and became inoperable for hours, protestors have also besieged government buildings and hurled petrol bombs at police officers and government buildings.

Angry mobs also halted the the MTR train system that carries 5 million passengers every day, bringing the city to a halt. There are protests almost every other day and clashes between riot police and protestors last into the wee hours of the morning.

Hong Kong is becoming lawlessness. Flash mobs roam the streets and attack police officers, block roads and set fires to rubbish bins and other debris. Hong Kong has never experienced such chaos and lawlessness before.

China is unlikely to deploy the military as it fears international backlash. For the time being, it is counting on the HK Police to quell the uprising.

Thanks bro , stay safe,Sounds like too much freedom leading to anarchy kind of protests, western media as usual reporting pro protesters.
 
Thanks bro , stay safe,Sounds like too much freedom leading to anarchy kind of protests, western media as usual reporting pro protesters.

The local and international press has been biased towards the HK government. In fact, the HK government and police has shown great patience and restraint.

Hopefully, order will be restored in Hong Kong.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pro-China protestors chant “one China” across from supporters of Hong Kong chanting “keep up Hong Kong”. March to support HK delayed due to clashes. <a href="https://twitter.com/CTVToronto?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CTVToronto</a> <a href="https://t.co/8EiUfoZtgx">pic.twitter.com/8EiUfoZtgx</a></p>— Miranda Anthistle (@Mirandanthistle) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mirandanthistle/status/1162813628069961729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-march-in-support-of-hong-kong-protests-blocked-by-pro-china-group-1.4554312

Toronto march in support of Hong Kong protests blocked by pro-China group
 
Chinese(incl Catonese) are never really that active politically as such but this was first time happening across the cities.

Surprising so many in London, protesting.
 
If this goes for a few more days, it will gain a lot more attention. HK is a 340 bil economy and a big player in Asia. There are western ties to the region as well. These are not gullible Uighurs. Embarrassment for China considering their bold statements on Kashmir yesterday
 
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These protests are a sham!If they were protesting against sky-high property prices, I would surely sympathise with them.

In Hong Kong, you can only buy a flat if you win the lottery. The average price of a decent flat is around US$1million.
 
Hong Kong protests: Demonstrators defy ban on march

Hong Kong police have used tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon to disperse crowds as tens of thousands marched in the city, defying a ban.

Demonstrators lit fires, threw petrol bombs at riot police and attacked the parliament building.

An event to mark five years since Beijing ruled out fully democratic elections was banned in Hong Kong, a special administrative region of China.

On Friday, several key pro-democracy activists and lawmakers were arrested.

The protest movement grew out of rallies against a controversial extradition bill - now suspended - which would have allowed criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.

What led to a single gunshot being fired?
Joshua Wong, the poster boy for protests
Is this proof the 'Umbrella Protests' failed?
It has since become a broader pro-democracy movement in which clashes have grown more violent.

What happened on Saturday?
Protesters took to the streets in the Wan Chai district, many joining a Christian march, while others demonstrated in the Causeway Bay shopping district in the pouring rain. Many carried umbrellas and wore face masks.

On the 13th weekend of protests, demonstrators - chanting "stand with Hong Kong" and "fight for freedom" - gathered outside government offices, the local headquarters of China's People's Liberation Army and the city's parliament, known as the Legislative Council.

In the Admiralty district, some protesters threw fire bombs towards officers. Earlier, protesters marched near the official residence of embattled leader Carrie Lam, who is the focal point of much of the anger.

Police had erected barriers around key buildings and road blocks, and fired tear gas and jets of blue-dyed water from the water cannon. The coloured liquid is traditionally used to make it easier for police to identify protesters.

Eric, a 22-year-old student, told Reuters news agency: "Telling us not to protest is like telling us not to breathe. I feel it's my duty to fight for democracy. Maybe we win, maybe we lose, but we fight."

The recent demonstrations have been characterised as leaderless.

On Friday police had appealed to members of the public to cut ties with "violent protesters" and had warned people not to take part in the banned march.

Police made a number of arrests late on Saturday.

Tear gas, rubber bullets and barrows of bricks
Danny Vincent, BBC News, Hong Kong

A sea of young people gathered on the streets surrounding the government headquarters. Like most weekends many came prepared. Protesters pushed wheel-barrows full of broken bricks to the front lines. They were thrown and pushed to the front over barricades in an attempt to slow the police's advance.

Rounds of tear gas, now the go-to weapon of the police, hung in the air, followed by rubber bullets fired towards the ground and in some cases nearly horizontally.

But police projectiles were met with rounds of petrol bombs thrown over police barriers and into the makeshift no-man's-land which separated the police and protesters. Many young protesters have become battle-hardened by nearly three months of demonstrations. They are strategic, organised and increasingly willing to resort to violence.

Who was arrested?
During a 24-hour police crackdown, at least three activists - including prominent 23-year-old campaigner Joshua Wong - and three lawmakers were detained.

Mr Wong, who first rose to prominence as the poster boy of a protest movement that swept Hong Kong in 2014, was released on bail after being charged over the protests which have rocked the territory since June.

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Wong said: "Organising protests, having assembly on street is the fundamental right of [the] Hong Kong people... People will still gather on [the] street and urge President Xi [Jinping] and Beijing [that] it's time to listen to people's voice."


Media captionHong Kong activists Joshua Wong and Agnes Chow vow to continue protests after their release on bail
Hong Kong is part of China, but enjoys "special freedoms". Those are set to expire in 2047, and many in Hong Kong do not want to become "another Chinese city".

Beijing has repeatedly condemned the protesters and described their actions as "close to terrorism". The protests have frequently escalated into violence between police and activists, with injuries on both sides.

Activists are increasingly concerned that China might use military force to intervene. On Thursday, Beijing moved a new batch of troops into Hong Kong, a move Chinese state media described as a routine annual rotation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49534439
 
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I spend lot of time working in both Hong Kong and Shenzhen. Lot of friends and co workers on both sides of the border. It is sad to see Hong Kong unstable. While protests should be allowed to continue, the violence and destabilizing of Hong Kong should not happen. I have spent a lot of time in china and Shenzhen is a fantastic city too. I will be back there in a couple of weeks again. China is an amazing country with such rich history. I hope this ends amicably and things return to normalcy soon
 
Btw while I can understand Hong Kong people's concerns at the end of the day the time to talk about this was in 1997 when the handover happened. Hong Kong is an integral part of china now and china has a long-term plan to bring it's rule of law whatever that may be and you can debate that is good or bad. I have lot of Chinese friends who swear by it because the common man has a good life in china free of crime and fear. Women can go out at 2am and do not need to worry about a thing. To each their own I guess. The people of HK should have revolted in 1997. They are doing it 22 years too late.
 
Hong Kong police have violently tackled suspected protesters after thousands marched in the city in defiance of a ban.

Images show police hitting people with batons and using pepper spray on a train in Hong Kong's underground metro.

Police said they were called to the scene amid violence against citizens by "radical protesters".

However it is unclear if all those injured and arrested in the metro system were involved in demonstrations.

Thousands of people took to the streets on Saturday to mark the fifth anniversary of China's government banning full democratic elections in Hong Kong.

Protesters lit fires, threw petrol bombs and attacked the parliament building.

In response, police used tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon to disperse crowds, and fired live warning shots as they tried to clear the streets.

The latest protests came just a day after the arrest of several key pro-democracy activists and lawmakers in China's special administrative region.

Hong Kong has now seen 13 successive weeks of demonstrations.

The movement grew out of rallies against a controversial extradition bill - now suspended - which would have allowed criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial.

It has since become a broader pro-democracy movement in which clashes have grown more violent.

What happened in Hong Kong's metro?
During protests, crowds gathered by Prince Edward and Mong Kok stations in Hong Kong's Kowloon neighbourhood.

Police said in a tweet that they responded at both sites after reports of "radical protesters" assaulting citizens and damaging property.

In a statement, Hong Kong's government also said some protesters had "committed arson and "hurled miscellaneous objects and iron railings" onto railway tracks, "completely disregarding the safety of other passengers".

Police Yolanda Yu told reporters that 40 people were subsequently arrested for unlawful assembly, criminal damage and the assault of police officers.

But several people have complained about the excessive force used by authorities.

"The train stopped. Police boarded and hit me twice with a baton," an unnamed man told the South China Morning Post newspaper.

"They didn't arrest me. They were just venting their anger by hitting me," he added.

MTR, which operates the city's metro line, told local media that three stations - Prince Edward, Mongkok and Kowloon Bay - had been closed as a result of the incident. It is unclear when they will reopen.

What else happened on Saturday?
Protesters took to the streets in the Wan Chai district, many joining a Christian march, while others demonstrated in the Causeway Bay shopping district in the pouring rain. Many carried umbrellas and wore face masks.

Demonstrators - chanting "stand with Hong Kong" and "fight for freedom" - gathered outside government offices, the local headquarters of China's People's Liberation Army and the city's parliament, known as the Legislative Council.

In the Admiralty district, some protesters threw fire bombs towards officers. Earlier, protesters had marched near the official residence of embattled leader Carrie Lam, who is the focal point of much of the anger.

The riot police had erected barriers around key buildings, and fired tear gas and jets of blue-dyed water from water cannon. The coloured liquid is traditionally used to make it easier for police to identify protesters.

The police later confirmed that two officers fired into the air during operations to clear protesters from the streets. Both officers fired one shot each when they felt their lives were threatened, the police department said.

Eric, a 22-year-old student, told Reuters news agency: "Telling us not to protest is like telling us not to breathe. I feel it's my duty to fight for democracy. Maybe we win, maybe we lose, but we fight."

The recent demonstrations have been characterised as leaderless.

On Friday police had appealed to members of the public to cut ties with "violent protesters" and had warned people not to take part in the banned march.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49540751
 
This wont go away - uncomfortable position for China.

Although, I do wonder if Western govts are instigating this.
 
Carrie Lam: Hong Kong leader 'never tendered resignation to Beijing'

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam has denied ever offering to resign, after audio was leaked of her saying she would if she could.

On Monday, a recording of a private meeting emerged where she is heard saying: "If I have a choice, the first thing is to quit."

She said on Tuesday she had "never tendered any resignation", but did not deny the authenticity of the recording.

Hong Kong has seen months of anti-government protests.

The protests were sparked by changes to a law that would allow extradition to mainland China, but have since widened to include calls for an independent inquiry into police brutality and demands for greater democracy.

Ms Lam, who introduced the now-shelved bill, has been the target of much of the protesters' anger.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49560487
 
Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam to withdraw extradition bill

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam has said she will withdraw the controversial extradition bill which triggered months of protests.

The proposal, introduced in April, would have allowed criminal suspects to be extradited to mainland China.

The bill was suspended in June when Ms Lam called it "dead", but she stopped short of withdrawing it.

Full withdrawal is one of five key demands of protesters, who are also calling for full democratic rights.

In a televised address on Wednesday, Ms Lam also announced that two senior officials would join an existing inquiry into police conduct during the protests.

An independent investigation into alleged police brutality against protesters is another of the activists' demands.

On Monday, Ms Lam was heard on leaked audio tapes blaming herself for igniting Hong Kong's political crisis, and saying it was unforgiveable of her to have caused such huge havoc.

The extradition bill quickly drew criticism after being unveiled in April. Opponents said it would undermine Hong Kong's legal freedoms and might be used to intimidate or silence critics of Beijing.

Hong Kong is now in its 14th successive week of demonstrations, and saw fresh violence between police and activists last weekend.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49575381
 
There's always someone behind the scenes.

There always is , but that does not excuse the original crime...

Assad was opposed by CIA, Mossad, but that does not mean he is a anti-West hero which most Muslims now consider him to be

Similarly a lot of people whitewash China in Xinjiang simply because the West is against China and Uighurs are called pro-western agents
 
There always is , but that does not excuse the original crime...

Assad was opposed by CIA, Mossad, but that does not mean he is a anti-West hero which most Muslims now consider him to be

Similarly a lot of people whitewash China in Xinjiang simply because the West is against China and Uighurs are called pro-western agents

Most muslims are not anti-west, its only the few extremists that are anti-west.
 
An activist involved in anti-Chinese protests in Hong Kong has been shot in the chest, police say.

The incident came as thousands of people demonstrated in defiance of a protest ban for the 70th anniversary of Communist rule in China.

Though people have been shot by rubber bullets in previous protests, this is the first injury from a live round.

Nearly four months of protests in Hong Kong have challenged Chinese President Xi Jinping's vision of national unity.

Earlier, the Chinese flag was raised at a special ceremony in the territory.

Security was tight and the 12,000 invited guests watched the event on a live video feed from inside a conference centre.

On what is being described by protesters as a "day of grief", people took to the streets in central Hong Kong and at least six other districts, blocking roads in some areas.

Thirty-one people were injured during the clashes, as police fired tear gas and protesters threw petrol bombs.

Two are in a critical condition, including the protester who shot with a live bullet.

What happened to the man who was shot?
Videos of the shooting incident show protesters with umbrellas and metal poles clashing with police, one of whom discharges his weapon.

Another video shows the injured man - a student - lying on the ground, saying: "Send me to hospital. My chest is hurting, I need to go to hospital."

A classmate of the protester told the BBC that the man's injuries were not life-threatening.

"We felt horrible when we saw him suffer in the video," he said, adding that fellow students wanted to start a crowdfunding campaign for him.

Police tried to disperse the protesters - who were armed with umbrellas, projectiles and petrol bombs - with tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon spraying blue dye to make it easier to identify them later.

Protesters are in retreat but have been setting fire to barricades as they go. Many were seen being wrestled to the ground by police, some of them bleeding.

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At least 15 metro stations and numerous shopping centres in the city have been closed, and some 6,000 officers have been deployed in the territory.

An annual fireworks display had earlier been cancelled.

What is the background to this?
Hong Kong has been a part of China since 1997 but has its own system of law and government - known as One Country Two Systems.

In recent years, there has been increasing opposition to what has been seen as the growing influence of Beijing on Hong Kong's society and politics.

China's history of extraordinary rendition

Hong Kong always sees anti-Beijing protests on 1 October, and this year they were expected to be larger than ever, because of the months of unrest triggered by proposed changes to the extradition law.

The changes would have made it possible for China to extradite people to the mainland from Hong Kong, something opponents felt put Hong Kongers at risk of persecution in unfair trials.

For nearly four months, protesters have taken to the streets - at times reported to be in the millions.

The proposed changes to the extradition law have officially been scrapped but that has failed to quell the unrest, which has now evolved into an existential battle over Hong Kong's future.

Quick guide to HK protests
The Hong Kong protesters are mostly young people worried about their future. Their demands have now expanded to include genuine universal suffrage and an inquiry into police behaviour.
The protests started peacefully, but as the weeks have worn on, the violence has escalated. The alleged involvement of gangs and undercover police officers has led to fear, mistrust and suspicion.
Hong Kong is part of China, but enjoys "special freedoms". Those are set to expire in 2047, and many in Hong Kong do not want it to become "another Chinese city".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49891403
 
They are not protesters but rioters. The HK Police needs to stop being so restrained.

If these protests were in any other country, they would be hundreds of casualties.
 
China tends to keep to itself when it comes to deploying troops besides the south china sea. So they will probably stay out of this one.
 
Anti-government marches in Hong Kong have ended in rioting, with attacks on government offices, a metro station and businesses with ties to mainland China.

Police used water cannon, tear gas and truncheons, reportedly removing masks from demonstrators they arrested, and a number of people were injured.

Tens of thousands of protesters had turned out in the rain, spurred to act by a ban on wearing masks at rallies.

The controversial ban was upheld by the High Court on Sunday.

It was introduced by chief executive Carrie Lam who invoked powers dating back to colonial rule by the British.

Sunday's protests were fuelled by both the mask ban and the use by police of live bullets against protesters, which left two people injured this week.

A wave of rioting in Friday led city metro services to shut down but they had partially resumed on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49949548
 
Violence is not the right way to resolve your differences but I can appreciate those standing up for their rights. Here the British public tugs their forelocks and obediently follows its masters as they proceed to take the country off a cliff edge economically, diplomatically and politically.
 
I don’t believe there is no foreign influence in these riots.
Hong Kong seems destroyed almost , the protests are not ending.
 
China's President Xi Jinping has issued a stern warning against dissent as protests continue in Hong Kong, saying any attempt to divide China will end in "crushed bodies and shattered bones".

His comments came during a state visit to Nepal on Sunday, China's state broadcaster CCTV said.

Several peaceful Hong Kong rallies descended into clashes between riot police and protesters on Sunday.

Public transport stations and shops deemed to be pro-Beijing were damaged.

Several neighbourhoods saw rallies, and by Sunday afternoon at least 27 stations on the MTR - Hong Kong's metro - were closed.

Police said they had used "minimum force" to disperse protesters, but television footage showed weekend shoppers caught in the chaos.

Some were filmed screaming and apparently injured as officers rushed into a shopping centre.

According to Reuters news agency, riot police with shields were forced out of one mall by chanting shoppers who took the side of the protesters.

Petrol bombs were thrown at Mong Kok police station, and one officer was slashed in the neck, authorities say. He is in a stable condition in hospital, the South China Morning Post reports.

A second man was allegedly beaten by protesters who found a baton in his bag and believed he was an undercover police officer.

Embedding police among the protesters has paid tactical dividends for the Hong Kong force, and spread paranoia among the mostly young activists.

Overnight on Sunday, one group of protesters hauled a three-metre-high (9ft) statue of a protester on to Lion Rock, a famous outcrop overlooking Hong Kong.

The statue, Lady Liberty, has become a symbol of the rallies, and sports a gas mask, goggles and a helmet.

She represents an injured protester who demonstrators believe was shot in the eye by a police projectile.

The group of several dozen, some wearing head lamps, climbed the 500m peak during a thunderstorm. The statue held a black banner that read: "Revolution of our time, Liberate Hong Kong."

Hong Kong's protests started in June against proposals to allow extradition to mainland China, a move many feared would undermine the city's judicial independence and endanger dissidents.

The bill has long been withdrawn, but protests have widened to include demands for full democracy and an inquiry into claims of police brutality.

Earlier this month, the city's government used a colonial-era emergency law to ban the wearing of face masks at public rallies - but demonstrators vowed to defy it.

More than 2,300 people have been arrested since the civil disobedience began.

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50035229.
 
I don’t believe there is no foreign influence in these riots.
Hong Kong seems destroyed almost , the protests are not ending.

Considering that the US has meddled everywhere on earth since 1945, it’s naive to assume that they aren’t meddling again.
 
Considering that the US has meddled everywhere on earth since 1945, it’s naive to assume that they aren’t meddling again.

There are rumors of the US paying protestors to damage public property and attack police officers.
 
There are rumors of the US paying protestors to damage public property and attack police officers.

Not surprised. The Hong Kong protesters shouldn’t trust the Americans or they’ll suffer like the Kurds.
 
A Hong Kong court has granted an injunction to ban anyone from blocking or damaging areas used to house married police officers and other disciplined services that have been targeted in more than four months of anti-government protests.

Demonstrators have besieged police quarters amid escalating violence in the Chinese-ruled city, hurling petrol bombs and other objects at buildings and damaging facilities, police said in a statement on Tuesday.

The injunction also prohibits the obstruction of roads and bans people from shining laser pens or other flash lights at police facilities.

Anti-government protesters, many masked and wearing black, have thrown petrol bombs at police and central government offices, stormed the Legislative Council, blocked roads to the airport, trashed metro stations and lit fires on the streets of the Asian financial center.

Police have responded with tear gas, water cannons, rubber bullets, bean bag rounds and several live rounds, warning the crowds beforehand with a series of colored banners.

The government has refused to concede to the protesters’ demand for an independent inquiry into accusations of police brutality.

Police, who have beaten protesters on the ground with batons, say they have shown restraint.

Tens of thousands of mostly young pro-democracy activists pleaded for help from the United States on Monday evening in the first legal protest since the introduction of colonial-era emergency laws earlier this month.

The protests began in opposition to a now withdrawn extradition bill that would have allowed suspects to be sent to China, but have broadened into a pro-democracy movement amid fears that Beijing is undermining Hong Kong’s freedoms.

Britain returned Hong Kong to China in 1997 under a “one country, two systems” formula, which gives it wide-ranging autonomy and freedoms not enjoyed on the mainland.

The Hong Kong and Chinese governments have repeatedly warned foreign governments not interfere in the territory’s internal affairs or fan anti-China sentiment.

Hong Kong’s embattled leader Carrie Lam said on Tuesday that her annual policy address this week would focus on land and housing measures as months of anti-government protests showed no sign of abating in the Chinese territory.

Lam, speaking at a news conference, said livelihood issues were the most important priority for her administration and said the government should consider “every means” to end the violence.
Link: https://globalnews.ca/news/6031955/hong-kong-protests-police-housing-ban/.
 
Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam was forced to suspend her annual address after being heckled in the city's parliament.

Opposition lawmakers disrupted the session from the start by shouting and projecting slogans.

After a first interruption, the session resumed only to be interrupted again. It was then suspended, with the address delivered by pre-recorded video.

The suspension means the extradition bill - which sparked months of protests - was unable to be withdrawn formally.

Hong Kong has experienced months of protests since the extradition bill was introduced in April.

The Legislative Council (Legco) resumed on Wednesday for the first time since it was stormed by protesters in July.

Now the withdrawal of the bill will only be possible once Legco resumes.

The bill was suspended in July - but the move failed to quell protests in the city.

On Wednesday, as the city's chief executive was about to begin her speech, opposition lawmakers projected the slogan "Five demands - not one less" on the wall behind her.

Since the protests began in June, they have widened from rallies against the extradition bill to five key demands - including universal suffrage.

Opposition lawmaker Tanya Chan said Ms Lam was to blame for the city's troubles.

"Both her hands are soaked with blood," she said. "We hope Carrie Lam withdraws and quits. She has no governance ability. She is not suitable to be chief executive."

It was the first time a Hong Kong chief executive had been unable to deliver a policy address in the chamber.

Pro-establishment lawmakers condemned the interruption of the session - saying the address was important for the city's economic future.

Ms Lam's interrupted speech came just hours after US lawmakers supported Hong Kong's protesters by passing a bill aimed at upholding human rights in the city.

After the assembly was suspended a second time, the speech was made available as a video on the Legco website - instead of live from the parliament chamber.

In the address, she stressed her commitment to "one country, two systems" - introduced after British rule ended - and that Hong Kong independence was not tolerable.

She then announced several housing and infrastructure policies, saying housing was the most urgent issue the city faces.

What are the Hong Kong protests about?
Hong Kong is part of China but, as a former British colony, has some autonomy and people have more rights.

The protests started in June against plans to allow extradition to the mainland - which many feared would undermine the city's freedoms and judicial independence.

The bill was withdrawn in September but demonstrations continued. Demands have widened to include genuine universal suffrage and an inquiry into police behaviour.

Protests have taken place every weekend over the past month and in every district, causing widespread disruption.

Clashes between police and activists have become increasingly violent, with police firing live bullets and protesters attacking officers and throwing petrol bombs.

Ms Lam's address was scheduled just days after Chinese President Xi Jinping said any attempt to divide China would end in "bodies smashed and bones ground to powder".

While he did not mention any particular region, his comment was seen as a warning to Hong Kong's protesters.

How did the protests escalate?
In July, hundreds of protesters stormed Legco, spraying graffiti and defacing symbols of the Hong Kong law-making body.

In August, one protester was injured in the eye, leading to demonstrators wearing red-coloured eye patches to show their solidarity.

Protests at Hong Kong international airport then led to hundreds of flights being cancelled.

When the bill was finally withdrawn in September, most protesters said it was "too little, too late".

On 1 October, while China was celebrating 70 years of Communist Party rule, Hong Kong experienced what authorities said was one of its most "violent and chaotic days".

An 18-year-old was shot in the chest with a live bullet, one of six rounds were fired by police. Protesters also fought officers with poles, petrol bombs and other projectiles.

The government then banned protesters wearing face masks, invoking powers dating back to colonial rule. Many activists continue to defy the ban.

Last Sunday, peaceful rallies again descended into clashes with railway stations and shops deemed to be pro-Beijing targeted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50065292
 
Heroes all.

They know they are going to lose, an it is only the eyes of the world preventing another Tiananmen Square at this point.

Yet their backs are to the wall and they persist.
 
Considering that the US has meddled everywhere on earth since 1945, it’s naive to assume that they aren’t meddling again.

The Hong Kongers grew up enjoying a liberal system and now they are under an authoritarian system which has broken an international handover agreement. Of course they are angry. Give them some credit for understanding their own situation.
 
The leader of one of Hong Kong's largest pro-democracy groups has been taken to hospital after being attacked.

Photographs on social media showed Jimmy Sham of the Civil Human Rights Front (CHRF) lying in the street, covered in blood.

It came hours after the territory's leader suspended her annual address after being heckled in parliament.

Mass protests in support of greater democracy in the territory began in June and show no sign of abating.

What happened to Jimmy Sham?
The CHRF said he was set upon by a group of up to five hammer-wielding men in the Mong Kok district of the Kowloon peninsula, and left with head injuries.

It added that he was conscious as he was taken to hospital, and was in a stable condition.

It was the second time Mr Sham had been attacked since the protests began.

The CHRF linked the attack to government supporters, who are suspected of assaulting other pro-democracy activists in recent months.

"It is not hard to link this incident to a spreading political terror in order to threaten and inhibit the legitimate exercise of natural and legal rights," it said in a statement.

The non-violent protest group, which organised several huge marches earlier in the summer, said it was applying for a police permit to hold a new march on Sunday.

Its recent requests have been rejected by the authorities, while more hardcore activists have held protests in defiance of bans and clashed with police.

Amnesty International has urged the authorities to launch an investigation into the attack on Mr Sham.

"Jimmy Sham was left bleeding on the street and has been hospitalised with head injuries.

"Even in the context of increasing attacks on activists, this incident is shocking in its brutality," said the head of the rights group's East Asia regional office, Joshua Rosenzwei.

What happened in parliament?
Opposition lawmakers disrupted the Legislative Council (Legco) session as Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam tried to make her annual address.

After a first interruption, the session resumed only to be interrupted again.

It was then suspended - and a pre-recorded speech by Ms Lam was made available on the Legco website instead.

It was the first time a Hong Kong chief executive had been unable to deliver a policy address in the chamber.

It meant a controversial extradition bill - the trigger for the months of protests - could not be withdrawn formally.

During a news conference after the video address, Ms Lam rejected claims that her speech had ignored the demands of the protest movement.

But she said it was not the time to consider voting reform, while insisting Hong Kong did have freedom of speech and freedom of the press without Chinese interference.

What are the Hong Kong protests about?
Hong Kong is part of China but, as a former British colony, has some autonomy and people have more rights.

The protests started in June against plans to allow extradition to the mainland - which many feared would undermine the city's freedoms and judicial independence.

The government in September promised the bill would be withdrawn once parliament resumed but demonstrations continued.

Protesters are now calling for five key demands:

Don't characterise the protests as "riots"
Amnesty for arrested activists
An independent inquiry into alleged police brutality
Implementation of complete universal suffrage
Withdrawal of the extradition bill
Protests have taken place every weekend over the past month and in every district, causing widespread disruption.

Clashes between police and activists have become increasingly violent, with police firing live bullets and protesters attacking officers and throwing petrol bombs.

How did the protests escalate?
The first protest took place in June
In July, protesters stormed Legco, spraying graffiti and defacing symbols
In August, one protester was injured in the eye, leading to activists wearing eye patches to show solidarity
Hundreds of flights from Hong Kong were cancelled that month after airport protests
In September, Ms Lam announced she would withdraw the extradition bill but most protesters said it was "too little, too late"
On 1 October, China celebrated 70 years of Communist Party rule and Hong Kong saw another day of violent clashes in which an 18-year-old was shot in the chest with a live bullet and protesters fought officers with poles, petrol bombs and other projectiles
On 4 October the government banned face masks, invoking powers dating back to colonial rule
Last Sunday, peaceful rallies again descended into clashes with railway stations and shops deemed to be pro-Beijing targeted.

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50073583.
 
The US National Basketball Association has suffered "substantial" losses after an online comment from a team executive prompted a crisis in its relations with China, the NBA's head has said.

"The financial consequences have been, and may continue to be, fairly dramatic," Adam Silver said.

Earlier this month Houston Rockets' manager Daryl Morey tweeted support for pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong.

As a result Chinese firms suspended sponsorship and telecast deals.

The state-run broadcaster CCTV and Tencent Holdings, which streams NBA games in China, said they would stop broadcasting Rockets' matches.

The Chinese Basketball Association suspended co-operation with the Houston Rockets, as did Chinese sportswear brand Li-Ning, and the club's sponsor in China, Shanghai Pudong Development Bank.

Mr Silver said: "The losses have already been substantial.

"Our games are not back on the air in China as we speak, and we'll see what happens next," he told Time magazine's Time 100 Health Summit in New York.

The NBA is hugely popular in China with around 800 million fans supporting millions of dollars of business.

Basketball in China
Basketball is the most popular sport in China with 300 million people playing the game. according to the NBA.

The NBA has had a presence in China since 1992 when it opened its first office in Hong Kong.

The Houston Rockets are widely followed in China after it signed Chinese player and eight-time NBA All-Star Yao Ming in 2002.

NBA China, which conducts the league's business in the country, was launched in 2008 and is now worth more than $4bn, according to Forbes.

Mr Morey's tweet captioned "Fight For Freedom. Stand With Hong Kong", prompted a furious backlash in China and Mr Silver said the Chinese government had called for Mr Morey to be sacked. But Mr Silver has defended his right to express his opinion.

"We were being asked to fire him by the Chinese government, by the parties we dealt with, government and business," Silver said. "We said there's no chance that's happening. There's no chance we'll even discipline him."

"The values of the NBA - the American values, we are an American business - travel with us wherever we go. And one of those values is free expression."

Mr Silver said he understood the point of view that the NBA should withdraw from all activities in China, due to authoritarian nature of the regime but said the NBA felt that "constructive engagement, especially in sports, is very positive".

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50091931.
 
As someone born in Hong Kong and whos family has lived here for almost a hundred years, the scenes we have witnessed here the past 4 months have been nothing short of shocking and disgraceful !

There are legitimate concerns in regards to housing and other issues which the local goverment has not addressed over the years, but it is a well known fact locally that the entire movement has been funded by the C.I.A who are using Hong Kong as a pawn to pressurize China.

Hong Kong is honestly a top 5 city in the world but once again, the great U.S funds a local group for their own purposes and is doing its best to spoil decades of progression. The world has just about had enough of it and its ways i reckon.

Please all keep Hong Kong in your thoughts and prayers and lets hope for a speedy resolution
 
Hong Kong's legislature has formally withdrawn a controversial extradition bill that has sparked months of unrest.

The bill - which would have allowed for criminal suspects to be extradited to mainland China - prompted outrage when it was introduced in April.

Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets and the bill was eventually suspended.

But protesters have continued regular demonstrations, which spiralled into a wider pro-democracy movement.

It is the worst crisis for Hong Kong since the former British colony was handed back to China in 1997.

It has also presented a serious challenge to China's leaders in Beijing, who have painted the demonstrators as dangerous separatists and accused foreign powers of backing them.

The proposed bill would have allowed for Hong Kong to extradite criminal suspects to places it does not have an extradition treaty with, including mainland China, Taiwan and Macau.

Critics of the planned law had feared extradition to mainland China could subject people to arbitrary detention and unfair trials.

The bill's formal withdrawal meets only one of five key demands emphasised by some protesters, who have often chanted "five demands, not one less" in Hong Kong's streets.

The others are:

For the protests not to be characterised as a "riot"
Amnesty for arrested protesters
An independent inquiry into alleged police brutality
Implementation of complete universal suffrage
Connie, a 27-year-old protester, told Reuters news agency the move was "too little, too late".

"There are still other demands the government needs to meet, especially the problem of police brutality," she said.

Carrie Lam, the embattled Hong Kong leader, has insisted that other demands by protesters are outside her control.

The protests - which began peacefully - now often descend into violent running battles between Hong Kong police and hardcore demonstrators who have vandalised shops and hurled petrol bombs at security forces.

Police have used water cannon, tear gas and rubber bullets in response. Live rounds have been fired on a few occasions, and an 18-year-old was shot by police in the chest on 1 October.

The Financial Times newspaper reports that China's government is drawing up plans to remove Ms Lam, a figure loathed by protesters whom Beijing has thus far stood by.

If Chinese President Xi Jinping approves the plan, the paper says, she will be replaced by an interim chief executive after calm returns to Hong Kong.

Ms Lam's office told the BBC: "We do not comment on speculation." China's foreign ministry said the FT report was "a political rumour with ulterior motives".

Separately on Wednesday, Hong Kong released the murder suspect whose case led to the extradition bill in the first place.

Chan Tong-kai is accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend in Taiwan last year before fleeing back to Hong Kong.

But Hong Kong and Taiwan do not have an extradition treaty, and his case was cited when the government proposed amending the law.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50150853.
 
Hong Kong has fallen into recession, hit by more than five months of anti-government protests that show no signs of relenting, and is unlikely to achieve annual economic growth this year, the city's Financial Secretary said.

"The blow to our economy is comprehensive," Paul Chan said in a blog post on Sunday, adding that a preliminary estimate for third-quarter GDP on Thursday would show two successive quarters of contraction — the technical definition of a recession.

He also said it would be "extremely difficult" to achieve the government's pre-protest forecast of 0-1 per cent annual economic growth.

Protests in the former British colony have reached their 21st week. On Sunday, black-clad and masked demonstrators set fire to shops and hurled petrol bombs at police who responded with tear gas, water cannon and rubber bullets.

Protesters have routinely torched store fronts and businesses including banks, particularly those owned by mainland Chinese companies and vandalised the city's metro system MTR Corp as they view it as acting at the government's behest to curtail protests.

The MTR has shut services early for the past few weeks and said it will close around two hours earlier than normal on Monday by 11pm to repair damaged facilities.

Tourists numbers have plummeted, a decline Chan called an "emergency" with the drop in visitor numbers worsening in October, down nearly 50 per cent.

Retail operators, from prime shopping malls to mom and pop businesses, have been forced to shutter for multiple days over the past few months.

While authorities have announced measures to support local small and medium seized enterprises, Chan said the measures could only "slightly reduce the pressure".

"Let citizens return to normal life, let industry and commerce to operate normally, and create more space for rational dialogue," he wrote.

Protesters are angry about what they view as increasing interference by Beijing in Hong Kong, which returned to Chinese rule in 1997 under a "one country, two systems" formula intended to guarantee freedoms not seen on the mainland.

China denies meddling. It has accused foreign governments, including the United States and Britain, of stirring up trouble.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1513387/hong-kong-enters-recession-as-protests-show-no-sign-of-relenting.
 
China's President Xi Jinping has told embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam that the central government has a "high degree of confidence" in her, according to Chinese state media.

There were reports last week of Beijing planning to replace Ms Lam, after months of anti-government protests that have at times crippled Hong Kong.

But Mr Xi reportedly expressed his full support at a meeting in Shanghai.

The protests began against an extradition bill put forward by Ms Lam.

She championed the proposed law, which would have allowed criminal suspects in Hong Kong to be sent to mainland China for trial.

The bill sparked fears Hong Kong's freedoms were being eroded, and led to widespread protests, including one with a reported turnout of close to two million.

Ms Lam eventually withdrew the bill, but protests have continued, with activists demanding an independent inquiry into alleged police brutality, and democratic reform.

China's state news agency Xinhua published pictures of the two leaders shaking hands, and reported that Mr Xi had praised Ms Lam for her efforts to quell clashes in the territory.

"The central government has a high degree of confidence in you," he was quoted as saying, adding: "Stopping the storm and restoring order remains the most important task in Hong Kong."

The wave of protests continued this past weekend, with riot police spraying tear gas into crowds of demonstrators in Taikoo district, a residential area.

On Sunday, in the same district, a man stabbed four people and bit off part of a pro-democracy local councillor's ear, after a political argument about the protests.

With no end to the demonstrations in sight, China's leaders signalled for the first time last week they were prepared to make changes to the way the mainland administered Hong Kong.

Shen Chunyao, the director of the Hong Kong, Macau and Basic Law Commission, told reporters officials were looking at ways to "perfect" how Hong Kong's chief executive was appointed and removed. He did not elaborate on the exact nature of the proposed changes.

Hong Kong's leader, the chief executive - currently Ms Lam - is elected by a 1,200-member election committee, a mostly pro-Beijing body chosen by just 6% of eligible Hong Kong voters.

Once a British colony, Hong Kong was handed back to China in 1997. It has its own judiciary and a separate legal system from mainland China, and rights mainland Chinese citizens do not enjoy, such as freedom of assembly and freedom of speech.

But human rights groups say some of those freedoms are being curtailed, and accuse China of meddling in the territory's affairs, citing legal rulings that have disqualified pro-democracy legislators.

Artists and writers in the territory also say they are under increased pressure to self-censor - and a Financial Times journalist was barred from entering Hong Kong after he hosted an event that featured an independence activist.

The Chinese government said in 2014 it would allow Hong Kong voters to choose their leaders from a list approved by a pro-Beijing committee. But critics called the proposal a "sham democracy" and it was voted down in Hong Kong's legislature.

In 28 years' time, in 2047, the Basic Law - which grants Hong Kongers their freedoms - expires, and what happens to the territory's autonomy after that is unclear.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50297024.
 
The pro-Beijing lawmaker Junius Ho has been attacked in an apparent stabbing in Hong Kong.

Ho, who is running in the upcoming district council election, was out campaigning in his constituency on Wednesday when he was attacked.

In a video of the incident, a man approaches and speaks to Ho, then reaches into his bag and pulls out an implement, believed to be a knife, which he uses to stab Ho.

The attacker was arrested by police, according to Hong Kong Free Press. Ho was taken to Tuen Mun hospital, as was the alleged attacker and one of Ho’s aides, both of whom were injured, the South China Morning Post reported.

Ho attracted criticism after he was captured on a video that went viral shaking hands with men in white T-shirts. The video followed an attack on protesters and other MTR passengers by a group of men in white T-shirts at Yuen Long MTR station in July, which resulted in 45 people being injured.

Ho denied that the people he shook hands with had any connection to the attackers at Yuen Long.

The attack on Ho comes amid more than five months of sometimes violent political unrest in the former British colony-turned semi-autonomous Chinese territory.

Further protests were planned on Wednesday at some of Hong Kong’s universities, activists said. Police fired water cannon to disperse protesters at a Guy Fawkes-themed march on Tuesday.

China’s Communist Party said on Tuesday it would not tolerate any “separatist behaviour” in Hong Kong, after some of the protesters called for independence.

What started as a protest against a proposed China extradition bill has widened into the gravest challenge to Chinese President Xi Jinping’s rule since he came to power in 2012.

Protesters are demanding an end to perceived Chinese meddling in the territory’s affairs, as well as universal suffrage and an independent inquiry into alleged police brutality, among other demands.

Beijing denies interfering and blames foreign governments for fuelling the unrest.
Xi met Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam on Tuesday in Shanghai, vouching support for her administration.

Following the meeting, Lam denied rumours that the government was considering an amnesty for protesters charged with offences.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tacked-in-apparent-stabbing-in-hong-kong-park.
 
A Hong Kong student has died after falling during protests on Monday - sparking impromptu protests and vigils from pro-democracy activists.

Alex Chow fell from the ledge of a car park during a police operation to clear the area on Monday morning.

The exact circumstances of his fall are unclear, but reports say he was trying to get away from tear gas.

The 22-year-old's death came after another week of political violence in Hong Kong.

On Wednesday a pro-Beijing lawmaker was stabbed in the street by a person pretending to be a supporter.

Mr Chow had been in a coma since Monday and was certified dead early on Friday, according to the hospital he was treated in.

Fellow students at the city's University of Science and Technology called for an investigation into how Mr Chow fell, and why it took paramedics nearly 20 minutes to arrive. Amnesty International echoed that call.

At the time of his fall, dozens of riot police were approaching, firing tear gas into the car park and surrounding areas to clear away protesters.

Police said they used tear gas to disperse protesters near the site but denied any wrongdoing, saying their actions had been justified.

But Mr Chow's death is expected to fuel more anger at the police, who are already under pressure as Hong Kong faces its worst crisis in decades.

"Today we mourn the loss of the freedom fighter in HK," Joshua Wong, a pro-democracy campaigner, said on Twitter. "We will not leave anyone behind - what we start together, we finish together."

Protesters gathered across the city, taking part in mourning events. Thousands left flowers at the spot in which he fell at the car park. Some people sang hymns.

Thousands have paid tribute to Mr Chow, leaving flowers and candles at the site where he fell
A 23-year-old student, who said she attended the same university as Mr Chow, told AFP news agency: "I think there should be an independent inquiry commission to investigate his death and other incidents that happened during the movement."

Other people gathered in the shopping district of Causeway Bay, lining the streets in silence.

At Hong Kong's University of Science and Technology, dozens of protesters vandalised a Starbucks, Bank of China and at least three cafeterias on site, the South China Morning Post reports.

They wrote "condemn police brutality" on the walls of the Starbucks store.

Protesters are calling for more demonstrations this weekend.

Hong Kong is part of China but as a former British colony it has some autonomy and people have more rights.

The protests started in June against plans to allow extradition to the mainland - which many feared would undermine the city's freedoms.

The bill was withdrawn in September but demonstrations continued and now call for full democracy and an inquiry into police behaviour.

Clashes between police and activists have become increasingly violent and in October the city banned all face masks.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50343584.
 
A policeman has shot at least one person in protests during Monday morning rush hour in Hong Kong.

Footage shown live on Facebook showed the officer drawing his gun before grappling with a man at a roadblock.

Another man, wearing a face mask, then approaches and the officer shoots him, hitting him in the torso.

As the grapple continues, the officer fires another two rounds - although it's not clear from the footage whether the bullets hit anyone.

The condition of the first person shot is not known. Footage showed him lying on the ground, eyes open, with blood around him.

It's the third time police have shot someone with live rounds since the Hong Kong protests began in June.

The first incident was during protests on 1 October when China was celebrating 70 years of communist rule. The second case was a teenage boy shot in the leg on 4 October.

The Monday morning shootings happened as protesters tried to block a junction at Sai Wan Ho on the north-east of the island.

Protesters used barricades to block roads in various areas of the city, leading to long traffic jams. Some railway lines were also disrupted.

Police earlier said that "radical protesters" had set up barricades across the city and warned them to "stop their illegal acts immediately".

There are numerous reports of other clashes across Hong Kong. In one video circulating online, a police motorcycle seems intentionally to ram into protesters.

Several universities have cancelled their classes for the day due to the transport chaos.

The latest violence comes after a student died on Friday after falling from a ledge in a car park, reportedly trying to flee from police tear gas.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50370715.
 
Social media chaos , Tbf to China they have been extremely patient with this, if this was in the mainland the protesters would be toast by now maybe thats what they what the protesters want to avoid in future, extremely complicated situation.
 
Hong Kong's rule of law has been pushed to the "brink of total collapse" after more than five months of protests, police have warned.

The warning came as protesters clashed with police across the city on Tuesday.

At the Chinese University of Hong Kong, police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters who built barricades on the campus.

Earlier in the day, around 1,000 protesters rallied in central Hong Kong during the lunch hour blocking roads

Protesters, wearing office clothes, were seen chanting: "Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong!"

The demonstrations come just a day after the territory saw a marked escalation in violence, with police shooting one activist in the torso. A pro-Beijing supporter was set on fire by anti-government protesters.

The protests started in June against a now-withdrawn plan to allow extradition to mainland China, but have since morphed into wider demonstrations, with activists demanding greater democracy and police accountability in Hong Kong.

On Tuesday afternoon, police spokesman Kong Wing-cheung hit out at the protesters, saying they had "countless examples of rioters using random and indiscriminate violence against innocent" people.

"Hong Kong's rule of law has been pushed to the brink of total collapse as masked rioters recklessly escalate their violence under the hope that they can get away with it," he told reporters, adding that Monday's attack on the pro-Beijing supporter was being investigated as attempted murder.

Speaking at the same conference, Supt Li Kwai-wah defended the officer's decision to shoot the protester on Monday.

"We found out that our colleague did not only face threat from one person, instead it was a group of people with an organised plan attempting to steal the gun," he said.

"In a situation like this, we believe our police are reacting according to the guideline, to protect themselves as well as the people around them."

Both the protester and the pro-Beijing supporter remain in hospital, with the latter in a critical condition.

What happened on Tuesday?
Clashes erupted at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, with police firing tear gas to disperse students, while at City University there was a standoff between students and riot police which continued into the evening.

Police continued to use tear gas to try to disperse the protesters who responded with bricks and petrol bombs. Hundreds of protesters remain at the Chinese University of Hong Kong.

Students built roadblocks on streets in and around City University campus to stop police from entering. At one stage, a van used as part of a street barricade was set on fire.

Students at Hong Kong Polytechnic also tried to disrupt traffic near their campus.

In the morning, suspended railway services and road closures had already led to long traffic jams in the early rush hour. At noon, protesters moved into the city's central business district for a flash mob protest.

Protests continued to intensify throughout the day. A Christmas tree inside Festival Walk shopping mall was set on fire by protesters while others were seen smashing a glass railing with hammers.

Train stations were closed across the city.

Eight universities have announced they will suspend classes on Wednesday.

Monday's protests saw 260 people arrested bringing the number to more than 3,000 since the protests began in June.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50384360.
 
Hong Kong braces for another day of anti-government protests after a night of pitched battles at a top university.

Police fired a barrage of tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. Protesters meanwhile barricaded and set fire to entrances.

Riot police continue to be deployed across the city.

Protesters have called for a third day of strikes and disruption to transport systems.

Major disruption to several metro stations has led to a third morning of long delays and queues at metro stations.

This week has seen a marked escalation in violence with intense street battles in the main financial heart of Hong Kong.

Police moving into campuses also appears to be shift in strategy, correspondents say, as they have largely avoided clearance operations at schools and universities.

On Tuesday police moved onto the university grounds at the Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) with tear gas and water cannons while protesters threw bricks and petrol bombs at them.

There were chaotic scenes of explosions, smoke, and gunfire during which scores were injured.

Protesters chanted: "Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong!". Later police said the rule of law was on the "brink of total collapse".

Student representatives said on Wednesday they were seeking a court order to stop police from being allowed to enter university campuses.

The spike in clashes this week came after a police officer shot an activist in the torso with a live bullet and a pro-Beijing supporter was set on fire by protesters on Monday.

The protests started in June against a now-withdrawn plan to allow extradition to mainland China, but have since morphed into wider demonstrations, with activists demanding greater democracy and police accountability in Hong Kong.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50400338.
 
No sympathy for these violent thugs. Definitely appears to be coordinated from outside. Not sure what they are even protesting for given HK revoked implementation of law that triggered all of this.

The protestor who got shot a couple days back, pretty much deserved it. Idiot behaviour requires a tough response.
 
Hong Kong protests: Students fight police with petrol bombs, bows and arrows
The campus of one of Hong Kong's top universities turned into a battleground on Tuesday as student protesters fought with police well into the night.

After police entered the campus, protesters set up roadblocks, formed human chains to pass supplies, and made weapons including petrol bombs.

Others fought back with bows and arrows, as police fired volleys of tear gas and rubber bullets at the crowd.

The BBC spoke to some of the students at the scene.

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Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-a...ight-police-with-petrol-bombs-bows-and-arrows.
 
HONG KONG: Mainland Chinese students have begun fleeing Hong Kong campuses over security fears, police and university officials said on Wednesday, as the city’s seething political crisis saw some of its worst violence this week.

The most intense clashes on Tuesday occurred at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, where pitched battles were fought with the police firing tear gas, water cannon and rubber bullets and protesters throwing petrol bombs and bricks, paralysing the campus and the area around it.

A group of mainland students at CUHK attempted to depart the campus over safety concerns but had to be shuttled away by a police boat because they were unable to leave via obstructed roads.

“The police decided to deploy a police launch to assist the group of students to go to a safe location,” the force said. Images on local outlet Stand News showed dozens of people — some carrying luggage — standing next to a vessel with police markings, purportedly fleeing the campus.

The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology meanwhile arranged a special bus service to ferry students from its campus to a station that offers services to the mainland.

“While we are not aware of any imminent threat to campus safety, we understand some staff and students have the desire to leave campus,” the university said in an email to students.

The Hong Kong Baptist University suspended on-campus teaching two weeks before the scheduled end of the semester, switching to either online sessions or postponing classes altogether. It also announced online teaching arrangements for students who choose to return to mainland China.

CUHK later announced it too was ending the current term early because of the unrest.

It was not immediately clear how many mainland Chinese students have left Hong Kong during the latest escalation of violence.

A youth wing of the Communist Party in Shenzhen on Wednesday said it was offering free accommodation at its facilities for mainlanders studying in Hong Kong. Other groups posted similar offers on Weibo, China’s Twitter-like social media platform.

Separately, the Taiwanese government said it was making arrangements to help Taiwanese students in Hong Kong return home. The island’s Mainland Affairs Council said 280 students were expected to return home on Wednesday and Thursday.

The protest movement is the biggest challenge to Beijing’s rule since Hong Kong was returned by Britain in 1997, fuelled by fears that China is choking the liberties and freedoms the city is meant to have under the handover deal.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1516604/mainland-china-students-begin-leaving-hk-over-fears-of-flare-up.
 
The protestor who got shot a couple days back, pretty much deserved it. Idiot behaviour requires a tough response.


Do you have the same sentiment about Kashmiri protestors shot by Indian police for just throwing a stone?

Or is it a case of "China can do no wrong because they help us financially" ?
 
There is mob rule in HK currently. All schools have been suspended. No traffic.

There are black-clad rioters burning banks, traffic lights, throwing bricks from footbridges onto motorists and attacking Mandarin-speaking people.

Rioters have been trying to derail trains by tempering with railway tracks. Scary times!

Unfortunately, the HK Police has been very restrained which is the reason for the current lawlessness.
 
There is mob rule in HK currently. All schools have been suspended. No traffic.
There are black-clad rioters burning banks, traffic lights, throwing bricks from footbridges onto motorists and attacking Mandarin-speaking people.
Rioters have been trying to derail trains by tempering with railway tracks. Scary times!
Unfortunately, the HK Police has been very restrained which is the reason for the current lawlessness.

Vandalism is always wrong, but what people do is support vandalism if it is done by a group they support, and oppose it if not.

The HK police is caught in a tight situation though, cannot blame them if they do clamp down on protestors.

Interestingly I read that there were riots in HK in 60s as well, when Chinese sympathetic red book carrying protestors fought against police who were seen as British agents ….

Now the roles are reversed
 
Do you have the same sentiment about Kashmiri protestors shot by Indian police for just throwing a stone?

Or is it a case of "China can do no wrong because they help us financially" ?

You're comparing apples with oranges. Kashmir is pure military brutality.

Hong Kong is just violent protesters who have no reason to protest now as their original demands were met. Do normal peaceful protesters make petrol bombs, torch cars and beat up those with differing opinions?

In this particular incident, they were grappling with the police officer. I have no doubt they would have tried to steal his gun. Why are they getting so close?
 
You're comparing apples with oranges. Kashmir is pure military brutality.

Hong Kong is just violent protesters who have no reason to protest now as their original demands were met. Do normal peaceful protesters make petrol bombs, torch cars and beat up those with differing opinions?

In this particular incident, they were grappling with the police officer. I have no doubt they would have tried to steal his gun. Why are they getting so close?


If you take individual cases then yes some HK protestors are violent, but you cannot call the entire group as violent just because they are standing up to China.

I do not blame you, in many South Asian circles, China is seen as a knee-jerk anti-American hero so much so that you find them

1) Support what happened in Tianamen
2) Support or ignore what is going on in Xinjiang
3) Support HK govt against a mass protest movement
 
If you take individual cases then yes some HK protestors are violent, but you cannot call the entire group as violent just because they are standing up to China.

I do not blame you, in many South Asian circles, China is seen as a knee-jerk anti-American hero so much so that you find them

1) Support what happened in Tianamen
2) Support or ignore what is going on in Xinjiang
3) Support HK govt against a mass protest movement

No. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that the genuine peaceful protesters have pretty much packed up after they got what they wanted (law revoked).

Now it's primarily violent youths disturbing everyday life with extreme acts of violence.
 
No. I think you're choosing to ignore the fact that the genuine peaceful protesters have pretty much packed up after they got what they wanted (law revoked).

Now it's primarily violent youths disturbing everyday life with extreme acts of violence.

While there is evidence of Triad gang involvement, just one of the protesters’ four demands has been met, hence the escalation.

I am saddened at how many on this thread support an oppressive authoritarian regime against people whose liberties are being curtailed.
 
While there is evidence of Triad gang involvement, just one of the protesters’ four demands has been met, hence the escalation.

I am saddened at how many on this thread support an oppressive authoritarian regime against people whose liberties are being curtailed.

No-one is supporting oppression. The protesters need to put an end to their violent behavior. Don't blame this on Triads - video footage is there of the violent behavior being perpetrated by anti-China thugs. They are attacking people just passing by as well as those of of differing opinions. On top of that they are destroying others property.
 
To those who live outside Hong Kong, it may seem the protestors are fighting for a just cause but that is not the case.

They claim they are fighting for freedom of speech but they are not even willing to tolerate any different opinions. Whoever disagrees with them is beaten up or have their shops burned to the ground.

Rioters have burned at least 200 shops and banks which were seen as being pro-China. Is this democracy?On Monday, they set a man on fire after he told them not to vandalise train stations.

These rioters threw petrol bombs INSIDE trains, endangering the lives of thousands of people.

On Tuesday, the train on which I was travelling on was forced to stop midway because these rioters threw bicycles, metal rods and rubbish bins onto the train tracks. They even tempered with the overhead train cables. They are rioters not protestors.

At night, these mobs roam the streets and attack Mandarin-speaking people. Is this democracy?

Since Tuesday, these rioters have occupied two key bridges in Hong Kong from where they hurl bricks and petrol bombs onto motorists below. This has resulted in severe traffic jams.
 
While there is evidence of Triad gang involvement, just one of the protesters’ four demands has been met, hence the escalation.

I am saddened at how many on this thread support an oppressive authoritarian regime against people whose liberties are being curtailed.

I would be the last person to support China on political issues but i cannot support when they block airports or traffic, these are things which i hated in my country.
 
To those who live outside Hong Kong, it may seem the protestors are fighting for a just cause but that is not the case.

They claim they are fighting for freedom of speech but they are not even willing to tolerate any different opinions. Whoever disagrees with them is beaten up or have their shops burned to the ground.

Rioters have burned at least 200 shops and banks which were seen as being pro-China. Is this democracy?On Monday, they set a man on fire after he told them not to vandalise train stations.

These rioters threw petrol bombs INSIDE trains, endangering the lives of thousands of people.

On Tuesday, the train on which I was travelling on was forced to stop midway because these rioters threw bicycles, metal rods and rubbish bins onto the train tracks. They even tempered with the overhead train cables. They are rioters not protestors.

At night, these mobs roam the streets and attack Mandarin-speaking people. Is this democracy?

Since Tuesday, these rioters have occupied two key bridges in Hong Kong from where they hurl bricks and petrol bombs onto motorists below. This has resulted in severe traffic jams.

Thank you for you first hand perspective.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] will you choose to ignore this too?
 
A 70-year-old man has died in Hong Kong after being struck on the head during clashes between government supporters and protesters.

Officials said the man was on a lunch break from his job as a cleaner when he was hit in the head by "hard objects hurled by masked rioters".

It comes as China's president Xi Jinping said the "one country, two systems" system was being "challenged".

Hong Kong has been dogged by more than five months of political unrest.

Less than a week ago, Alex Chow, a 22-year-old student, died after falling from a building during a police operation.

What happened to the man?
The 70-year-old cleaner was hit in the head during a protest on Wednesday in the Hong Kong border town of Sheung Shui.

Video purported to be of the incident shows two groups throwing bricks at each other before the man falls to the ground after being struck on the head.

A police superintendent told news outlet SCMP that he was not involved in the protest, but was "only taking pictures at the scene".

He died in hospital on Thursday.

The Food and Environmental Hygiene Department (FEHD) said the man was an outsourced worker of theirs who had been on his lunch break

The FEHD also condemned masked rioters, calling them "extremely dangerous".

"[They] conducted violent acts in various districts three days in a row, where they wantonly assaulted other members of the public," the statement added. "The acts are outrageous."

Hong Kong has seen an escalation in violence this week, with intense street battles, violent clashes at universities, and flashmob lunchtime protests.

On Monday, a police officer shot an activist in the torso with a live bullet, and a man was set on fire while arguing with anti-government protesters.

What did President Xi say?
President Xi, who was speaking at a summit of BRICS countries in the Brazilian capital Brasilia, issued a strong warning to protesters.

He said that "radical violent activities" in the city had "seriously challenged the [principle of] 'one country, two systems'".

According to state media outlet the Global Times, Mr Xi said the "most pressing task for Hong Kong is to end violence and chaos and restore order".

He also threw his "firm support" towards the Hong Kong police force.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50428704.
 
What % of the HK protestors are violent? Is it a case of a minority of protestors creating violence while most of them are against the govt but not pro-violence?

We saw during the anti-Iran protests in Iraq, how govt forces embedded themselves into protestors and incited violence so that the protestors look bad...
 
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