How badly will PTI get smashed in the next election?

[Savak]

Let's face it, most people in Pakistan i talk to are extremely frustrated with the inflation that is prevailing in the country and the fact that wages have not grown at all.

They had voted for IK and a party hoping their lives will change for the better. They wanted fast results. They are now sick and tired of the present government continously blaming everything on the previous governments and that strategy has long become obsolete. Now people are mostly of the opinion that PTI conned them and are in fact highly "Naahael" or "Incompetent" where they just don't know what they are doing and have no solutions to the economic problems facing the country.

Even the long time supporters of the party i.e. Wajahat Khan, Mubashar Luqman and Hamza Ali Abbasi have not only distanced and turned away from the party but openly and brutally criticize the PTI party and even target Imran Khan for incompetency.

Trust me i have spoken to a lot of people coming from Pakistan, in Pakistan and it is scary how each and everyone complains about how this is the worst state they have ever seen the country in and people are desperately waiting for someone to overthrow the present government or for the next elections to come asap.

I don't think IK and the PTI have any more tricks up their sleeve to help repair their image and shore up any new support unless they blatantly rig the elections with the help of the army. Maybe the army itself will wash itself of the PTI and will readily accept any party the public supports in the next elections.

 

[Vegitto1]

Winning it by a land slide.

Don’t forget that we are always being told that you cannot come to power in Pakistan without the establishments help. I have not seen anything in the past 4 years which would make the establishment not have Imran Khan re-elected.

As far as inflation is concerned, each time it has been worse than the previous government. You can check the record books and point me to one instance where the Rupee became strong against the dollar or daily necessities were cheaper than they were in the previous government’s tenure.

 

[srh]

Let's face it, most people in Pakistan i talk to are extremely frustrated with the inflation that is prevailing in the country and the fact that wages have not grown at all.

They had voted for IK and a party hoping their lives will change for the better. They wanted fast results. They are now sick and tired of the present government continously blaming everything on the previous governments and that strategy has long become obsolete. Now people are mostly of the opinion that PTI conned them and are in fact highly "Naahael" or "Incompetent" where they just don't know what they are doing and have no solutions to the economic problems facing the country.

Even the long time supporters of the party i.e. Wajahat Khan, Mubashar Luqman and Hamza Ali Abbasi have not only distanced and turned away from the party but openly and brutally criticize the PTI party and even target Imran Khan for incompetency.

Trust me i have spoken to a lot of people coming from Pakistan, in Pakistan and it is scary how each and everyone complains about how this is the worst state they have ever seen the country in and people are desperately waiting for someone to overthrow the present government or for the next elections to come asap.

I don't think IK and the PTI have any more tricks up their sleeve to help repair their image and shore up any new support unless they blatantly rig the elections with the help of the army. Maybe the army itself will wash itself of the PTI and will readily accept any party the public supports in the next elections.

Yes I also get the same impression that Pakistan public are done with incompetence of Imran Khan and PTI. Even the corruption has not come down which was Imran Khan's most important point. So I think they will lose badly.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Very badly.

The establishment / military will also abandon him. They don’t back deadbeat horses

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Winning it by a land slide.

Don’t forget that we are always being told that you cannot come to power in Pakistan without the establishments help. I have not seen anything in the past 4 years which would make the establishment not have Imran Khan re-elected.

As far as inflation is concerned, each time it has been worse than the previous government. You can check the record books and point me to one instance where the Rupee became strong against the dollar or daily necessities were cheaper than they were in the previous government’s tenure.

If there is anything the establishment wants its to be popular and loved by the people. With the PMLN blaming them for the rise of the PTI and the PTI struggling to cope with internal matters the establishment is losing its lovers.

The only reason why the PTI might survive is Nawaz Sharif and his daughter. The military establishment disgusts NS and MS for their love for India and continuous attacks on the army. So if Shahbaz Sharif doesn't manage to distinguish himself from the Nawaz group then IK is the only option.

But you never know with the power hungry Nawaz Sharif and he might just take the deal and pardon the so called generals, who according to him 'ousted' him in 2017, to get into power yet again.

Nothing is clear at the moment and anything is possible at this very moment. 2022 is going to be a big year in pak politics.

 

[the Great Khan]

PTI will win in kp. They will make in roads in sind. And the establishment will make sure the pmln do not win In central punjab and up north. Pakistan cannot afford another ishaq dar. NS is now a bigger threat to Pakistan than modi

 

[LaLoco]

Some of y’all are out of this world, upset about any government making u-turn and over this y’all will try to elect the politician who had played the huge part to put Pak in current situation.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Opinion polls dont show PTI being "smashed in the next election". The latest Gallup poll showed the following

1/ How did Imran Khan perform in the eyes of Public in past 3 years? Split public opinion with slightly more people being happy with his performance

Public opinion split on the issue of performance of PTI government with slightly more 48% saying performance is good over the past 3 years.

A sizeable 45% believe the performance has been bad.

In the largest province of Punjab, a majority are unhappy and say that Imran Khan’s government’s performance is bad.

Highest support in Balochistan at 74% rating positively and KP where 62% rated Imran Khan’s performance positively.

https://gallup.com.pk/post/32165

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I would make the following prediction right now for next election:

KPK - PTI
Baluchistan - Various Nationalists parties
Interior Sindh - PPP
Urban Sindh - PTI
Punjab - PML N

However if PTI creates a South Punjab province they will from there, and that should be enough to win again in 2023.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The people who have turned against PTI are mainly the woke upper middle class liberals.

For some absurd reason they thought IK was a progressive, and that he would mainstream the values of these elites. Not to mention these people did not realize they are the ones who have to pay for Naya Pakistan.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

My recommendation for PTI to win the next election is to do the following:

1 - Create the South Punjab province.

2 - Move unapologetically to the right. Their are far more voters with conservative values than their are woke voters. Brand PPP, MQM, ANP as liberal extremist. Brand PML N as appeasers of Hindutva.

3 - In interior Sindh give a PTI ticket to the second biggest wadera. The reality in interior Sindh is , saeen tau saeen.

4 - Enroll as many people possible in the Sehat Insaaf Card and Ehsaas Programme. These needs to be the signature items that PTI can campaign on in 2023.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Don’t think they’d be smashed but we’re in for a surprise for sure. The mood in the country is not great and people want results. The inflation and rise of prices has been affecting the common man and people sitting in UK and debating would have no idea of it. The ground reality is way different.

 

[MenInG]

PML-N President and Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif has asked Prime Minister Imran Khan to step down after an inquiry report blamed the government officials of irregularities during the contentious NA-75 Daska’s by-poll earlier this year.

“If Imran Niazi [prime minister] has the slightest respect for law, democracy and political ethics, than he should resign and face the law,” Shehbaz said in a statement on Sunday.

An inquiry report by the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) on Friday revealed that the disappearance of presiding officers during the vote count for the NA-75 Daska by-elections on February 19 was part of a “pre-planned scheme”.

“The election officials and other government functionaries did not play their designated role in a requisite manner but they were found puppets in the hands of their unlawful masters,” the report highlighted.

On February 25, the ECP ruled that re-election be held in the entire NA-75 Daska constituency after suspicions that the results may have been falsified. An inquiry report was subsequently sought.

“The entire incident was planned. The officers were first taken to Pasrur and then Sialkot,” the report, submitted by Punjab Joint Election Commissioner Saeed Gul, stated.

Shehbaz said the ECP report provided evidence against the ruling PTI’s attempt to rig the election and usurp the people’s right to elect their own representative.

"What is he [PM Imran] waiting for after the [ECP] report revealed everything?" asked the PML-N president.

Shehbaz said PM Imran in line with democratic norms and values should face accountability in the wake of ECP inquiry report.

“It takes a big heart to face the law like Nawaz Sharif [former prime minister],” he added.

The opposition leader said PM Imran was introducing electoral reforms and electronic voting machines (EVMs) “because his tactics to rig Daska by-election had been exposed”.

The PML-N would oppose the government's plan to introduce electoral reforms and amendments in the NAB ordinance, he maintained.

Express Tribune

 

[Bewal Express]

I will interested to see what the mafia do about inflation. If anyone knows of any policies they have then i would be interested to read them.

 

[Giannis]

The criticism seems unfair, you can't expect a government to change 70 years of corruption, misgovernance and incompetency in just 3 years and that too amidst a pandemic that has slowed the entire world economy. The reason why people are frustrated is because they lack economic literacy, for them (understandably) short term solutions and "gains" like artificially strengthening the rupee, cutting down taxes (govt revenue), stopping the regularization of the shadow economy and subsidies that waste tax monies and IMF loans is much better than long term solutions that will actually benefit Pakistan. If people think electing corrupt, incompetent people that collude with foes like India is the alternative to Imran Khan and the army then it's just better that we end this 74 year old project and let all 5 provinces go their own way. I hate to say it but there doesn't seem to be an alternative as Khan was Pakistan's only hope and there's not much else he can do. It was a good run and maybe the successor states can have an EU-type border while keeping out Indian hegemony.

 

[DrSchultz]

PTI won't get enough seats on its own but a coalition may be possible with the support of the military.

 

[Major]

While I would be happy to see PTI lose, but the problem is there is no party that exists that would want to improve Pakistan. Everyone is it for their own good

During this regime of PTI, the opposition has been a big joke. They havn't been able to put pressure on the govt. While PTI as opposition is able to put pressure, but PTI is always more interested in destabilizing the govt in power if they sit in opposition. PTI has gave support to TLP in the past and had made very stupid statements regarding the petrol issue during pmln time. Now when they are in power, they remember about international prices. PTI fans used to be proud on social media that Jehangir Tareen was using his plane for horse trading when they needed to get independents on their side to get their govt in place. We have also seen how they have tried to extend tenure of NAB chairman which again was against the laws and they decided to meddle with them....

PTI has very much blew it. They promised different kinds of reforms, but most of their reforms have been a joke. SNC is gonna blow up as provinces were never on board to this and Aitchinson and Beaconhouse are not implementing this due to its stupidity.

The CSS reforms that were promised, well guess what, the govt did nothing in the last three years, and as elections got near, they were under-pressure to do something so they decided to add a screening test in which they added 20 mcqs of urdu even though the css would be held in english. Just another airbrush.

Anyways, who ever wins the next election, i doubt they would be coming in with a majority. All i hope is that democracy keeps intact in this country for now. I would rather have a corrupt govt coming in place than an army backed dictator. Our problems can only be solved in the very long run, but for that we need to keep on strengthen the democracy of the country.

 

[Major]

I will interested to see what the mafia do about inflation. If anyone knows of any policies they have then i would be interested to read them.

the so called Mafia was able to save the country from hyper inflation back in 2012. The PPP govt while gets alot of criticism, many people dont recognize their inflation policies they bought that helped carve down the growing prices in the longer run.

Oddly enough that credit was taken by PMLN because policies for inflation bring results in the longer run. If PTI losses, they will also have to bare this burnt that the policies they bought in to control inflation will show results under someone elses govt if they dont get a second term.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

The disappointment isn’t that Things haven’t improved under PTI. There’s a lot of extenuating circumstances (Covid for one) which means that even the best of them wouldn’t have made a great impact.

The bigger disappointment has been the lack of reforms. And now that I think of it it shouldn’t be a surprise. PTI came into government by taking in electavles from Punjab against who’s interests it is to take hard steps such as taxing agriculture and land.

 

[Major]

The criticism seems unfair, you can't expect a government to change 70 years of corruption, misgovernance and incompetency in just 3 years and that too amidst a pandemic that has slowed the entire world economy. The reason why people are frustrated is because they lack economic literacy, for them (understandably) short term solutions and "gains" like artificially strengthening the rupee, cutting down taxes (govt revenue), stopping the regularization of the shadow economy and subsidies that waste tax monies and IMF loans is much better than long term solutions that will actually benefit Pakistan. If people think electing corrupt, incompetent people that collude with foes like India is the alternative to Imran Khan and the army then it's just better that we end this 74 year old project and let all 5 provinces go their own way. I hate to say it but there doesn't seem to be an alternative as Khan was Pakistan's only hope and there's not much else he can do. It was a good run and maybe the successor states can have an EU-type border while keeping out Indian hegemony.

Sorry but nope.

One thing that I find very very very insulting is how overseas PTI fans and party members claim that the people of Pakistan lack economic literacy.

The issue with the hate PTI gets is not about the 70 years of so called corruption. We dont even have 70 years of corruption, our problems in the earlier days were different.

The issue that PTI is dealing with is the election campaigned it did back in 2018. PTI made promises, they made criticism and they did acts that did more damage when they came into power.

You point out that the fault is on Pakistani people for not having economic literacy. Let me remind you that PTI took advantage of that economic illiteracy when on social media and on top of crane Imran Khan used to bash pmln govt for the petrol prices. When prices fell during those dharna days due to international prices, Imran Khan even went to an extent to say that the prices fell because they put pressure on govt through the dharna and alot of the pti fans or potential voters believed in this.

Funny, how when those same voters bash pti on this, than all of a sudden we give them titles of being economically illetrate.

PTI even went to an extent that they were supporting tlp in their march. Same Tlp did marches against PTI govt, the opposition never joined TLP and were united in the fact that such groups should not be given support.

When PTI won the the elections, they made promises of doing so and so things in 100 days. One of which was to convert president house into a university which again did not happen.

Point is, PTI made these promises. The voters did not become jahil or anything, these are the same voters that PTI targeted and fed them with the info they wanted. All of a sudden you cant bash these voters because the promises that were made by Imran Khan at D chowk is what bought him into power.

Remember the IMF quotes and the begging bowl quotes of Imran. As soon as he came into power he was running of to Saudi Arabia with the begging bowl. While Bin Salman gave us 2 billion as donation, at the same time he INVESTED money in India.

Point being, when you make promises or bash the other party on your own set yardstick, than dont expect your fans to give you different yardstick to measure. You be measured by the same yardstick that you were using for others.

If PTI losses the upcoming election, what would lead to its downfall is not the policies, but the campaign they did it in 2017. Sometimes, your election campaign can come back to bite you.


However, keeping in mind the way PPP won the reelections in 70s even though they were not expecting it and still won, you never know PTI might stay in power. Thats the beauty of democracy.

 

[Bewal Express]

the so called Mafia was able to save the country from hyper inflation back in 2012. The PPP govt while gets alot of criticism, many people dont recognize their inflation policies they bought that helped carve down the growing prices in the longer run.

Oddly enough that credit was taken by PMLN because policies for inflation bring results in the longer run. If PTI losses, they will also have to bare this burnt that the policies they bought in to control inflation will show results under someone elses govt if they dont get a second term.

What was that policy?

 

[Bewal Express]

Sorry but nope.

One thing that I find very very very insulting is how overseas PTI fans and party members claim that the people of Pakistan lack economic literacy.

The issue with the hate PTI gets is not about the 70 years of so called corruption. We dont even have 70 years of corruption, our problems in the earlier days were different.

The issue that PTI is dealing with is the election campaigned it did back in 2018. PTI made promises, they made criticism and they did acts that did more damage when they came into power.

You point out that the fault is on Pakistani people for not having economic literacy. Let me remind you that PTI took advantage of that economic illiteracy when on social media and on top of crane Imran Khan used to bash pmln govt for the petrol prices. When prices fell during those dharna days due to international prices, Imran Khan even went to an extent to say that the prices fell because they put pressure on govt through the dharna and alot of the pti fans or potential voters believed in this.

Funny, how when those same voters bash pti on this, than all of a sudden we give them titles of being economically illetrate.

PTI even went to an extent that they were supporting tlp in their march. Same Tlp did marches against PTI govt, the opposition never joined TLP and were united in the fact that such groups should not be given support.

When PTI won the the elections, they made promises of doing so and so things in 100 days. One of which was to convert president house into a university which again did not happen.

Point is, PTI made these promises. The voters did not become jahil or anything, these are the same voters that PTI targeted and fed them with the info they wanted. All of a sudden you cant bash these voters because the promises that were made by Imran Khan at D chowk is what bought him into power.

Remember the IMF quotes and the begging bowl quotes of Imran. As soon as he came into power he was running of to Saudi Arabia with the begging bowl. While Bin Salman gave us 2 billion as donation, at the same time he INVESTED money in India.

Point being, when you make promises or bash the other party on your own set yardstick, than dont expect your fans to give you different yardstick to measure. You be measured by the same yardstick that you were using for others.

If PTI losses the upcoming election, what would lead to its downfall is not the policies, but the campaign they did it in 2017. Sometimes, your election campaign can come back to bite you.


However, keeping in mind the way PPP won the reelections in 70s even though they were not expecting it and still won, you never know PTI might stay in power. Thats the beauty of democracy.

The PPP and the PML mafia are directly responsible for the mess which IK has failed to fix. AA recently stated that IKs policy will have a very good long term positive impact on PK, he could do what Raja Rental did in Gujar Khan and literally throw money at people to win elections( and it worked).
If the PPP were/are so good why is the price of Sugar and atta so much higher in Sindh and as you are an advocate of the18th amendment, these are provincial domains. So tell us what they have done with things under their domain

 

[PakLFC]

Back to the future it seems. Nawaz Sharif booking his seat to Islamabad.

 

[MenInG]

The incumbent government would not only complete its ongoing constitutional term, but the masses would, once again, give heavy mandate to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) in elections 2023, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Sunday. He expressed these views while addressing a reception at the residence of PTI leader Malik Farman in Multan.

Qureshi stated that Prime Minister Imran Khan was striving against menace of corruption as the eradication of corruption was part of PTI's manifesto. "PTI wants to give the nation a strong system and a bright future for coming generations," he stated, adding that the PTI government also wishes long-term development.

"We want the people to walk with their heads held high. Similarly, we want to uplift the dignity of country, ensure rule of law and eradication of corruption," Qureshi reiterated. The foreign minister stated that the government wanted to address deprivations of the people during the previous regimes.

“The nation must support the government for a better future. For the first time in the history of the country, people's money was being spent only on public development,” he said, adding our policies will have far-reaching and positive results.

The minister remarked that the country's progress was not being digested by some politicians who were out of power. "The opposition did not want the wheel of progress to continue. It wants to stop the journey of development by making noise. No matter how much noise they make, development of the country cannot be stopped," he stressed.

Qureshi further said that the disappointed politicians, sitting out of power, will have to wait. The desire to end the PTI government will remain just a desire, he added.

Earlier, Qureshi visited the residences of various deceased persons in the constituency. Later, the foreign minister planted a tree in a private housing society in connection with a tree plantation campaign.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2330502/pti-to-gain-heavy-mandate-in-2023-elections-qureshi

 

[Adi_62945]

I see Imran Khan winning from Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford, dubai, riyadh with heavy leads considering likes and views of overseas pakistanis for obvious reasons as they do not live and earn in pakistan.
I voted IK in 2013, when he was most popular and honest but he master the tricks of winning elections in Pakistan by using military hands. So i dont doubt if he win in majority across all provinces and forms strong government in next elections irrespective of his great great blunders he is doing right now and pushing pakistan backwards

 

[DRsohail]

He will win another election too, mark my words.

 

[Giannis]

I see Imran Khan winning from Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford, dubai, riyadh with heavy leads considering likes and views of overseas pakistanis for obvious reasons as they do not live and earn in pakistan.
I voted IK in 2013, when he was most popular and honest but he master the tricks of winning elections in Pakistan by using military hands. So i dont doubt if he win in majority across all provinces and forms strong government in next elections irrespective of his great great blunders he is doing right now and pushing pakistan backwards

My relatives in Karachi are all in Imran Khan's camp as they don't see an alternative. My relatives in Lahore have been pro-Nawaz Sharif, so it's not simply an overseas Pakistani vs resident Pakistani binary there's lot of a variance in Pakistan. I presume your family is entirely based in Punjab so your opinion may only hold true for that region.

 

[DRsohail]

I see Imran Khan winning from Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford, dubai, riyadh with heavy leads considering likes and views of overseas pakistanis for obvious reasons as they do not live and earn in pakistan.
I voted IK in 2013, when he was most popular and honest but he master the tricks of winning elections in Pakistan by using military hands. So i dont doubt if he win in majority across all provinces and forms strong government in next elections irrespective of his great great blunders he is doing right now and pushing pakistan backwards

How he is pushing backward a backward country ruled by corrupts people , if you are ruled by Zardari and Nawaz then no one can push you backward (you are already there).

 

[DRsohail]

My relatives in Karachi are all in Imran Khan's camp as they don't see an alternative. My relatives in Lahore have been pro-Nawaz Sharif, so it's not simply an overseas Pakistani vs resident Pakistani binary there's lot of a variance in Pakistan. I presume your family is entirely based in Punjab so your opinion may only hold true for that region.

I see IK coming with few good packages neara elections and don't forget his jalsa power, people here are underestimating him .

 

[Giannis]

I see IK coming with few good packages neara elections and don't forget his jalsa power, people here are underestimating him .

Unfortunately people that only have family in Punjab don't realize what a unifying force Imran Khan is, he's one of the few Pan-Pakistani leaders respected by every community and that's simply because of who he is - if he fails then that will just lead to a return of ethnofascist politics in Pakistan, no one has that charisma or appeal. I can't think of anyone that could be positioned as a Pan-Pakistani leader after him, maybe Afridi has a good chance if he's groomed for the role.

 

[Varun]

He will win just like Modi.

Because TINA.

 

[ARK Rafay]

They'll win again

 

[Mamoon]

Unfortunately people that only have family in Punjab don't realize what a unifying force Imran Khan is, he's one of the few Pan-Pakistani leaders respected by every community and that's simply because of who he is - if he fails then that will just lead to a return of ethnofascist politics in Pakistan, no one has that charisma or appeal. I can't think of anyone that could be positioned as a Pan-Pakistani leader after him, maybe Afridi has a good chance if he's groomed for the role.

Only a delusional, out of touch overseas Pakistani will make comments like this. That is because they do not bear the brunt of the incompetence of Imran and his joker government.

The problems of the real Pakistanis, i.e. those living in Pakistan, have only exacerbated under this government.

The destitute, the lower and middle-class who have never suffered and struggled as much as they are doing now couldn’t care less if Imran is a Pan-Pakistani or a Pot-Pakistani leader and how charismatic, appealing and good-looking he is for his age, thanks to Botox injections.

Imran had flopped badly and has failed to deliver and live up to the expectations he set himself up. He hyped himself up like no tomorrow and he turned out to be utterly incompetent and clueless.

He is arguably the most disliked political figure among the common man today and they are done with his lies, excuses and false promises which he cannot fulfill. They have no faith left in him.

This is why Imran is desperate to salvage the votes of fake (overseas) Pakistanis who don’t face the consequences of his incompetence and will vote for him in droves because he is handsome.

He is going to get a thrashing as far as the public of Pakistan is concerned. Whether that is enough to dispose him remains to be seen, because military backing and their political engineering are bigger factors than the votes of the public.

 

[LaLoco]

Only a delusional, out of touch overseas Pakistani will make comments like this. That is because they do not bear the brunt of the incompetence of Imran and his joker government.

The problems of the real Pakistanis, i.e. those living in Pakistan, have only exacerbated under this government.

The destitute, the lower and middle-class who have never suffered and struggled as much as they are doing now couldn’t care less if Imran is a Pan-Pakistani or a Pot-Pakistani leader and how charismatic, appealing and good-looking he is for his age, thanks to Botox injections.

Imran had flopped badly and has failed to deliver and live up to the expectations he set himself up. He hyped himself up like no tomorrow and he turned out to be utterly incompetent and clueless.

He is arguably the most disliked political figure among the common man today and they are done with his lies, excuses and false promises which he cannot fulfill. They have no faith left in him.

This is why Imran is desperate to salvage the votes of fake (overseas) Pakistanis who don’t face the consequences of his incompetence and will vote for him in droves because he is handsome.

He is going to get a thrashing as far as the public of Pakistan is concerned. Whether that is enough to dispose him remains to be seen, because military backing and their political engineering are bigger factors than the votes of the public.

No one in their mind had doubt that most of the promises he made will not be full filled because most knew how strong of a hold the mafia had on Pakistan's politics.

It will take a generation or half a generation to see any change, and that change has already began, MQM is gone, PML-N will become a history in next election if not the election after, PPP is almost there, too.

Obviously, the common Pakistani is suffering. Will continue to suffer despite who is in the power, that is the Pakistan we are at due to failure of the most corrupt politician in the history of Pakistan for over 30 years.

Lol at Political engineering, talking as if PML-N and PPP or any other party come to power by the will of the people because NS and Zardari were dood ky dhulay. It is Politics, Political engineering take place every where, the perfect example was, how most of the Democratic Party candidate dropped out in favor of Joe to make sure Bernie would not win Primary, that is political engineering, what is not fair is rigging the polls.

 

[Mamoon]

No one in their mind had doubt that most of the promises he made will not be full filled because most knew how strong of a hold the mafia had on Pakistan's politics.

It will take a generation or half a generation to see any change, and that change has already began, MQM is gone, PML-N will become a history in next election if not the election after, PPP is almost there, too.

Obviously, the common Pakistani is suffering. Will continue to suffer despite who is in the power, that is the Pakistan we are at due to failure of the most corrupt politician in the history of Pakistan for over 30 years.

Lol at Political engineering, talking as if PML-N and PPP or any other party come to power by the will of the people because NS and Zardari were dood ky dhulay. It is Politics, Political engineering take place every where, the perfect example was, how most of the Democratic Party candidate dropped out in favor of Joe to make sure Bernie would not win Primary, that is political engineering, what is not fair is rigging the polls.

If Imran was not capable of fulfilling those promises because of so and so reasons, he shouldn’t have made those promises in the first place. He sold his supporters a dummy and lied to them to win votes.

His brainwashed supporters claim that this is what every politician, but Imran explicitly claimed that he is not your typical politician - he lied.

As far as Mafia is concerned, Imran himself is the biggest beneficiary of the mafia. Every few months, we hear about a new mafia. Sugar mafia, oil mafia, wheat mafia. Then we find out that all these mafias are in bed with Imran.

His election campaign was financed by mafia heads including Jahangir Tareen.

No one buys PTI’s drama anymore - whenever something goes wrong, they blame the previous governments and whenever something goes right, they take credit for it.

The public doesn’t have time for vague statements like “it will decades before we see results” etc. anymore. They have heard enough of this nonsense over the years.

What will happen after a few decades? Nothing, if PTI continues to fail, they will say we tried our best but the previous governments left too big a mess for us to succeed. If they succeed, they will thump their chests.

Besides, PTI supporters shouldn’t worry about decades. Their fake party has no future and will be reduced to history books as soon as Imran is gone.

PTI supporters take pride in the fact that PTI doesn’t do family politics but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics.

People come and go but the family name is what lives on. The Zardari/Bhutto and Sharif family names will live on forever and they will always be relevant.

On the other hand, Imran is the glue that is holding PTI together. What is PTI? it is nothing but a concoction of opportunist and lota politicians who have jumped on the tabdeeli bandwagon to serve their own interests.

They know that as long as they are on good terms with Imran, he will protect their corruption.

When Imran is gone, these frauds will be absorbed back by the parties they came from or they will form their own small parties. PTI, in its current shape and form, will not last after Imran is done.

 

[LaLoco]

Alright, let rinse and repeat the same point and make it sound like you have raised points of significant importance, but this take the cake - "why did he made the promise if he was not capable of fulfilling" - lol.

The other one we are blessed with, "The Jelly Spine" - lol

If Imran was not capable of fulfilling those promises because of so and so reasons, he shouldn’t have made those promises in the first place. He sold his supporters a dummy and lied to them to win votes.

His brainwashed supporters claim that this is what every politician, but Imran explicitly claimed that he is not your typical politician - he lied.

So, lol, that is not being brainwashed, simply implying that our liar is much better than the liar you want to elect, any adult with no agenda would be able to deduce it.

As far as Mafia is concerned, Imran himself is the biggest beneficiary of the mafia. Every few months, we hear about a new mafia. Sugar mafia, oil mafia, wheat mafia. Then we find out that all these mafias are in bed with Imran.

He has to maneuver, He can't eliminate them ( you hid the magic wand, didn't you?), if he were to then you'd be the first one moaning about why am I paying so much for my lollipop - ridiculous - when mafia is mention, it is mentioned in this context, lol

His election campaign was financed by mafia heads including Jahangir Tareen.

is Mr. Tareen still a part of PTI?

No one buys PTI’s drama anymore - whenever something goes wrong, they blame the previous governments and whenever something goes right, they take credit for it.

That is politics, PTI did not acquired the debt that they have to service.
Need to stop raising this point unless and until y'all want to pay fair share of tax.

Why do PTI takes the credit when something goes right under their management, give credit to Mr. Mamoon or NS, lol

The public doesn’t have time for vague statements like “it will decades before we see results” etc. anymore. They have heard enough of this nonsense over the years.

Obviously they don't and that is what the mafia family dynastic politician are hoping for, run on this narrative to have whatever remaining position they can consolidate to loot again and protected the looted wealth of common Pakistani

What will happen after a few decades? Nothing, if PTI continues to fail, they will say we tried our best but the previous governments left too big a mess for us to succeed. If they succeed, they will thump their chests.

At least IK tried, instead of trying to sit in London with botched up Bleeding disorder, has his bleeding time normalized?

Besides, PTI supporters shouldn’t worry about decades. Their fake party has no future and will be reduced to history books as soon as Imran is gone.

OH wow, amazing, which political party will not reduced once their head figure is gone? PPP w/o zardar is nothing, PML-N w/o NS is nothing, but at least IK kids won't be ruling over you but if you are rich then you do not have to worry about who is ruling you.

PTI supporters take pride in the fact that PTI doesn’t do family politics but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics.

And lets hope it ends, if IK and PTI can bring end to that then I'll vote for him again not only in just next election but election after that, too. And, it seems, it will be ending soon, any Idea where fake Bhutto will move?

People come and go but the family name is what lives on. The Zardari/Bhutto and Sharif family names will live on forever and they will always be relevant.

good for them, Bhutto kal bhi zinda aur aj bhi Zinda hai, lol

On the other hand, Imran is the glue that is holding PTI together. What is PTI? it is nothing but a concoction of opportunist and lota politicians who have jumped on the tabdeeli bandwagon to serve their own interests.

Politics again, lol

They know that as long as they are on good terms with Imran, he will protect their corruption.

When Imran is gone, these frauds will be absorbed back by the parties they came from or they will form their own small parties. PTI, in its current shape and form, will not last after Imran is done.

Good, this will divide the powers in many groups and hopefully by when is gone and as people eyes open up due to easy excess of information, the results will be in the favor of general population, it is after all a good omen

 

[JaDed]

Lol he is going to win.

 

[Bewal Express]

If Imran was not capable of fulfilling those promises because of so and so reasons, he shouldn’t have made those promises in the first place. He sold his supporters a dummy and lied to them to win votes.

His brainwashed supporters claim that this is what every politician, but Imran explicitly claimed that he is not your typical politician - he lied.

As far as Mafia is concerned, Imran himself is the biggest beneficiary of the mafia. Every few months, we hear about a new mafia. Sugar mafia, oil mafia, wheat mafia. Then we find out that all these mafias are in bed with Imran.

His election campaign was financed by mafia heads including Jahangir Tareen.

No one buys PTI’s drama anymore - whenever something goes wrong, they blame the previous governments and whenever something goes right, they take credit for it.

The public doesn’t have time for vague statements like “it will decades before we see results” etc. anymore. They have heard enough of this nonsense over the years.

What will happen after a few decades? Nothing, if PTI continues to fail, they will say we tried our best but the previous governments left too big a mess for us to succeed. If they succeed, they will thump their chests.

Besides, PTI supporters shouldn’t worry about decades. Their fake party has no future and will be reduced to history books as soon as Imran is gone.

PTI supporters take pride in the fact that PTI doesn’t do family politics but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics.

People come and go but the family name is what lives on. The Zardari/Bhutto and Sharif family names will live on forever and they will always be relevant.

On the other hand, Imran is the glue that is holding PTI together. What is PTI? it is nothing but a concoction of opportunist and lota politicians who have jumped on the tabdeeli bandwagon to serve their own interests.

They know that as long as they are on good terms with Imran, he will protect their corruption.

When Imran is gone, these frauds will be absorbed back by the parties they came from or they will form their own small parties. PTI, in its current shape and form, will not last after Imran is done.

Yes, we get it you love crooks and thugs. The funny thing is that despite your protestations the Nooras and PPP are incompetent in opposition as they were in govt. The mafia tripled our debt from 37bn to 105bn in 10 years, and PK got for this horrendous increase, did we get dams or amazing investment in agriculture or industry. Well no, all we got was unsustainable growth fuelled by imports and a overvalued Rp, which has damaged PKs long term economy.
As far as the mafia is concerned,who owns 80% of the sugar industry? Why have got stay orders from corrupt courts to stop the track and trace?
BTW the people of KP health cards, and IK will win in KP again and win well. Why is that.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

If Imran was not capable of fulfilling those promises because of so and so reasons, he shouldn’t have made those promises in the first place. He sold his supporters a dummy and lied to them to win votes.

His brainwashed supporters claim that this is what every politician, but Imran explicitly claimed that he is not your typical politician - he lied.

Every politicians says they are not every politician. How many politicians say that we are liars, we are making promises that we cant keep? Probably close to zero.

Anyone who believed all the promises that IK made is a fool.

The public doesn’t have time for vague statements like “it will decades before we see results” etc. anymore. They have heard enough of this nonsense over the years.

Which is why him not keeping all his promises wont hurt him. Most people did not believe it.

PTI supporters take pride in the fact that PTI doesn’t do family politics but that is what ensures long-term survival in Pakistan politics.

PTI does do family politics, however the difference is the leader position will not be passed down from father to son/daughter.

People come and go but the family name is what lives on. The Zardari/Bhutto and Sharif family names will live on forever and they will always be relevant.

PPP yes, PML N no. PML N does not have the track record of PPP, neither are their supporters jiyalas. If they lose in 2023 they are finished as a party. Which is why they are so desperately trying to topple IK. PPP will survive no matter what.

On the other hand, Imran is the glue that is holding PTI together. What is PTI? it is nothing but a concoction of opportunist and lota politicians who have jumped on the tabdeeli bandwagon to serve their own interests.

They know that as long as they are on good terms with Imran, he will protect their corruption.

So the PPP, and PML N politicians are not serving their own interests? They join these parties for ideological reasons? Get real.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only a delusional, out of touch overseas Pakistani will make comments like this. That is because they do not bear the brunt of the incompetence of Imran and his joker government.

The problems of the real Pakistanis, i.e. those living in Pakistan, have only exacerbated under this government.

The destitute, the lower and middle-class who have never suffered and struggled as much as they are doing now couldn’t care less if Imran is a Pan-Pakistani or a Pot-Pakistani leader and how charismatic, appealing and good-looking he is for his age, thanks to Botox injections.

Imran had flopped badly and has failed to deliver and live up to the expectations he set himself up. He hyped himself up like no tomorrow and he turned out to be utterly incompetent and clueless.

He is arguably the most disliked political figure among the common man today and they are done with his lies, excuses and false promises which he cannot fulfill. They have no faith left in him.

This is why Imran is desperate to salvage the votes of fake (overseas) Pakistanis who don’t face the consequences of his incompetence and will vote for him in droves because he is handsome.

He is going to get a thrashing as far as the public of Pakistan is concerned. Whether that is enough to dispose him remains to be seen, because military backing and their political engineering are bigger factors than the votes of the public.

The days of making easu money off corruption are gone.

This is what is upsetting those who are arent able to steal, loot from the nation.

Imran Khan will win and remain PM.

My advice to those is get a 2nd job. Eg if someone is a doctor in the day, become a nurse at night.

 

[Kroll]

As a British national, Pakistani politics doesn't really interest me, but I remember being told that people in Pakistan couldn't even buy basic commodities like sugar and atta under previous govts. not to mention the endless load shedding.

 

[moghul]

Most of my family/friends are in Punjab and as per my resources, IK will win again next time.

 

[cricketerB94]

Seeing some oversees Pakistanis comments make me feel how misinformed they are about the current situation of economy IN Pakistan and how ignorant they are about how a middle class Pakistani is surviving under current government on day to day basis. Their opinion cannot be taken seriously and now they can vote in next elections.

 

[Savak]

Seeing some oversees Pakistanis comments make me feel how misinformed they are about the current situation of economy IN Pakistan and how ignorant they are about how a middle class Pakistani is surviving under current government on day to day basis. Their opinion cannot be taken seriously and now they can vote in next elections.

They are very well informed. Sadly someone has to pay the price of 21 years of PPP and PML N rule ie 1988-1999 & 2008-2018.

 

[Mamoon]

The days of making easu money off corruption are gone.

This is what is upsetting those who are arent able to steal, loot from the nation.

Imran Khan will win and remain PM.

My advice to those is get a 2nd job. Eg if someone is a doctor in the day, become a nurse at night.

How often have you visited Pakistan during PTI’s tenure? I bet not more than once.

How long have your visits been?

How many government offices, officials, workers, politicians etc. have you had the chance to interact with?

PTI is as corrupt as any other government if not more. There is literally no difference. It is the same story as always - if you want to get things done, you will have to pay a premium.

This is why overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote. They are clueless and delusional and know nothing about the real issues of the public of Pakistan. Their opinion and their say does not matter.

They need to continue worshipping their foreign passports and stick to living as second-class citizens in western countries.

 

[Bewal Express]

Seeing some oversees Pakistanis comments make me feel how misinformed they are about the current situation of economy IN Pakistan and how ignorant they are about how a middle class Pakistani is surviving under current government on day to day basis. Their opinion cannot be taken seriously and now they can vote in next elections.

Maybe you can tell us what your crooks will do? I have yet to hear a single proposal from the mafia, so teh forum is yours.

 

[Bewal Express]

How often have you visited Pakistan during PTI’s tenure? I bet not more than once.

How long have your visits been?

How many government offices, officials, workers, politicians etc. have you had the chance to interact with?

PTI is as corrupt as any other government if not more. There is literally no difference. It is the same story as always - if you want to get things done, you will have to pay a premium.

This is why overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote. They are clueless and delusional and know nothing about the real issues of the public of Pakistan. Their opinion and their say does not matter.

They need to continue worshipping their foreign passports and stick to living as second-class citizens in western countries.

Sethi has predicted IK would go each week for the last 3 years and Arent you the guy that thought Diesel would take on IK backed by the mafia, how did that go? Why arent the people supporting the mafia? Wins in GB, Wins Sialkot, Wins in AJK, why is that?

 

[Mamoon]

Sethi has predicted IK would go each week for the last 3 years and Arent you the guy that thought Diesel would take on IK backed by the mafia, how did that go? Why arent the people supporting the mafia? Wins in GB, Wins Sialkot, Wins in AJK, why is that?

The biggest mafia is PTI itself, and Imran is the biggest beneficiary of the mafia. Who funded and financed his election campaigns? The mafia.

Naya Pakistan was built on black money. No wonder it crashed and flopped badly.

 

[Bewal Express]

The biggest mafia is PTI itself, and Imran is the biggest beneficiary of the mafia. Who funded and financed his election campaigns? The mafia.

Naya Pakistan was built on black money. No wonder it crashed and flopped badly.

Clowns like you have been saying the same for years and it was lies then and it will always be so. You accused JT of being a criminal and as soon as the cases started both Nooras and the PPP told us he was innocent and they wanted him to join them.

Your crooks are on the run, its the reason why we have fake tapes of Ex CJP by Nani and murders of Journalists like Aziz memon.

 

[LaLoco]

How often have you visited Pakistan during PTI’s tenure? I bet not more than once.

How long have your visits been?

How many government offices, officials, workers, politicians etc. have you had the chance to interact with?

PTI is as corrupt as any other government if not more. There is literally no difference. It is the same story as always - if you want to get things done, you will have to pay a premium.

This is why overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote. They are clueless and delusional and know nothing about the real issues of the public of Pakistan. Their opinion and their say does not matter.

They need to continue worshipping their foreign passports and stick to living as second-class citizens in western countries.

I do not believe you understand the concept of corruption done by the PM of Pakistan and corruption done by town employee.

Actually, I believe you do but since you want to play the game of trolling, you would not want to distinguish between the two nor want to highlight impact of the two different form of corruption.

But you need to better your trolling game, it is weak, not affective at all, it is almost as if you are bored and you have nothing better to do.

 

[Mamoon]

I do not believe you understand the concept of corruption done by the PM of Pakistan and corruption done by town employee.

Actually, I believe you do but since you want to play the game of trolling, you would not want to distinguish between the two nor want to highlight impact of the two different form of corruption.

But you need to better your trolling game, it is weak, not affective at all, it is almost as if you are bored and you have nothing better to do.

Imran is corrupt. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be running away from Akbar Babar and his foreign funding case. PTI wouldn’t be demanding secrecy in investigations.

His sister built up an estate in NYC with no legitimate source of income provided. Sewing machines lol.

Imran is not the saint he projects himself to be. There has been a lot of embezzlement in SKMH funds.

Imran is not only corrupt. He is also a beneficiary of corruption. His election campaign was funded on black money.

Besides, even if we assume that he is honest, there is no point. Honesty doesn’t when matter when you are incompetent. He is by far the most incompetent and destructive PM in Pakistan history.

The corrupt Nawaz was far better for the country than the so-called honest Imran.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran is corrupt. If he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be running away from Akbar Babar and his foreign funding case. PTI wouldn’t be demanding secrecy in investigations.

His sister built up an estate in NYC with no legitimate source of income provided. Sewing machines lol.

Imran is not the saint he projects himself to be. There has been a lot of embezzlement in SKMH funds.

Imran is not only corrupt. He is also a beneficiary of corruption. His election campaign was funded on black money.

Besides, even if we assume that he is honest, there is no point. Honesty doesn’t when matter when you are incompetent. He is by far the most incompetent and destructive PM in Pakistan history.

The corrupt Nawaz was far better for the country than the so-called honest Imran.

Let's be honest, you watch Geo and Sethi repeat their rubbish. As Maryam admitted today, the Nooras paid billions to get the media mafia to give them what they want. You have been groomed and Bar their propaganda you have nothing.
Akbar case is just plain rubbish and has been shown as much. The fact that the guy was desperate for revenge and was looking for anything has been shown up. What is interesting is that both the Nooras and PPP have been trapped in the case. The PTI have audited accounts and will come out clean. What is going to happen to your crooks that have no records and are now running. Will the ECP take action?
Your desperation and humiliation led you to support a thug like Diesel and today like them, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Crooked Nani Maryam has destroyed the mafia narrative on media freedom and admitted a crime ,watch from 1.47

 

[iRfaN_LA]

PTI will win next election. Maryam has destroyed whatever was remaining of PML-N.

PPP may do better than PML-N.

 

[Savak]

Speaking strictly from a PML N perspective, whenever i speak to PML N Supporters, a common feedback i get is their frustration with the incapacity, incompetency of Maryam Nawaz and that Nawaz Sharif has destroyed the party by promoting his daughter over other more competent politicians in the PML N who can take the party forward. I am pretty certain deep down there is plenty of frustration against Maryam inside the PML N ranks.

 

[Savak]

Let's be honest, you watch Geo and Sethi repeat their rubbish. As Maryam admitted today, the Nooras paid billions to get the media mafia to give them what they want. You have been groomed and Bar their propaganda you have nothing.
Akbar case is just plain rubbish and has been shown as much. The fact that the guy was desperate for revenge and was looking for anything has been shown up. What is interesting is that both the Nooras and PPP have been trapped in the case. The PTI have audited accounts and will come out clean. What is going to happen to your crooks that have no records and are now running. Will the ECP take action?
Your desperation and humiliation led you to support a thug like Diesel and today like them, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Crooked Nani Maryam has destroyed the mafia narrative on media freedom and admitted a crime ,watch from 1.47

The Akbar Sher Babar case of Foreign Funding from Overseas Pakistani's is of around $1 to $2 million. Everyone is aware of how much loot PML N and PPP have committed in their 21 years in power and the fact that they too have received foreign funding.

 

[Bewal Express]

Speaking strictly from a PML N perspective, whenever i speak to PML N Supporters, a common feedback i get is their frustration with the incapacity, incompetency of Maryam Nawaz and that Nawaz Sharif has destroyed the party by promoting his daughter over other more competent politicians in the PML N who can take the party forward. I am pretty certain deep down there is plenty of frustration against Maryam inside the PML N ranks.

I don't think there is, these losers worship this crooked father and daughter.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Akbar Sher Babar case of Foreign Funding from Overseas Pakistani's is of around $1 to $2 million. Everyone is aware of how much loot PML N and PPP have committed in their 21 years in power and the fact that they too have received foreign funding.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] why haven't the Nooras and PPP provided audited accounts showing where there Foreign funding is coming from.