How can Imran Khan maintain austerity without compromising on security?

[Savak]

I admire his determination to do away with all levels of unnecessary government expenditure, waste that our poor country cannot afford but given his huge potential uncompromising anti corruption agenda that he is carrying and the fact that he is now the leader of a country, he has to not be so stupid and naïve to not leave himself completely open for target against unruly elements

I hope for his sake he finds a middle ground.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Imran went too far with his “no protocol” rhetoric. It is understandable because it resonated with the common man, but he made promises that will not be able to keep.

For example, he promised in 2013 that the CM House in KP will be converted into a library (or some other public use) backfired because Pervez Khattak was not interested.

Imran Khan is entitled to protocol and VIP arrangements. Living like a common man will not change the fortunes of this country if he doesn’t fulfill his manifesto.

However, if he achieves his main objectives, Pakistan will prosper even if he doesn’t live like a normal person.

Nonetheless, he has no choice but to turn his rhetoric into reality, and I hope it will not cost him his safety.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What message is he sending, that Pakistan cannot afford expenses towards its premier leader? He should aim to make the nation earn more, instead of this frugality and muflisi.

 

[Mamoon]

The defenders of ummah on this forum call Erdogan a great leader.

However, in spite of the great poverty in Turkey, he lives like a king in a palace of impeccable magnificence. His lifestyle puts billionaires to shame.

 

[Bewal Express]

We know IK is not perfect but his heart is in the right place, he feels the pain of the poor citizens and setting right example when you are asking the poor to pay their hard earnt rupees in tax is the correct thing to do. May Allah keep him safe.

 

[Mian]

I really didn't like the video recorded and posted by Ali Zaidi today to show how Khan was traveling in Peshawar with hardly any security PK was driving. Are you really that dumb? Stop these dumb acts and shobazi there is a difference between security and protocol. Khan shouldn't take protocol which includes blocking and clearing roads while moving but he should get full security we can't afford to lose another leader. It's time for agencies to come forward and have a meeting with IK his careless attitude is making their job really difficult.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

I really didn't like the video recorded and posted by Ali Zaidi today to show how Khan was traveling in Peshawar with hardly any security PK was driving. Are you really that dumb? Stop these dumb acts and shobazi there is a difference between security and protocol. Khan shouldn't take protocol which includes blocking and clearing roads while moving but he should get full security we can't afford to lose another leader. It's time for agencies to come forward and have a meeting with IK his careless attitude is making their job really difficult.

Honestly, I think all this will change once he takes the oath and officially becomes the PM.

Even though I do agree with you, that was stupid and he should be looking at the bigger picture. Pakistan can't afford to lose another leader, that too, IK.

 

[Savak]

I agree with converting the PM, President, CM, Governor houses into educational institutions, but whenever the PM of a country is travelling from one place to the next, he has to have full scale security. Musharraf would not be alive today had it not been for the security arrangements he had, he survived 9 assassination attempts including suicide attacks.

 

[Savak]

I think Imran went too far with his “no protocol” rhetoric. It is understandable because it resonated with the common man, but he made promises that will not be able to keep.

For example, he promised in 2013 that the CM House in KP will be converted into a library (or some other public use) backfired because Pervez Khattak was not interested.

Imran Khan is entitled to protocol and VIP arrangements. Living like a common man will not change the fortunes of this country if he doesn’t fulfill his manifesto.

However, if he achieves his main objectives, Pakistan will prosper even if he doesn’t live like a normal person.

Nonetheless, he has no choice but to turn his rhetoric into reality, and I hope it will not cost him his safety.

I believe the excuse given for not converting the KP CM and Governor Houses was that only the federal government has the power and authority to do something like this, now that IK is in the centre, lets see if he lives up to his promises.

 

[Savak]

What message is he sending, that Pakistan cannot afford expenses towards its premier leader? He should aim to make the nation earn more, instead of this frugality and muflisi.

The cost of maintaining the PM house alone is Rs 1.85 billion alone, you can just imagine the cost of maintaining the President, CM, Governor houses and the houses for the Parliamentarians and Ministers, must be close to Rs 20-30 billion annually, our Government expenditure i.e. the cost of running the government machinery in itself is a sizeable amount of our annual budget.

These are expenses and things that a Debt ridden nation with Foreign debts of $100 billion, a Current Account Deficit of $35 billion and a great percentage of the population struggling to make ends meet cannot afford.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The cost of maintaining the PM house alone is Rs 1.85 billion alone, you can just imagine the cost of maintaining the President, CM, Governor houses and the houses for the Parliamentarians and Ministers, must be close to Rs 20-30 billion annually, our Government expenditure i.e. the cost of running the government machinery in itself is a sizeable amount of our annual budget.

These are expenses and things that a Debt ridden nation with Foreign debts of $100 billion, a Current Account Deficit of $35 billion and a great percentage of the population struggling to make ends meet cannot afford.

So earn more, instead of curbing valid expenses. At least the PM deserves the spending on his security and maintenance.

 

[Mamoon]

I believe the excuse given for not converting the KP CM and Governor Houses was that only the federal government has the power and authority to do something like this, now that IK is in the centre, lets see if he lives up to his promises.

The provincial government has the authority to ensure that the CM doesn’t live in CM House, but they don’t have authority over governors because they are under the jurisdiction of the President.

Imran obviously could not force Pervez Khattak to live without protocol, but as PM, he will obviously lead by example. However, there is a thin line between cutting down expenses and living dangerously, and I hope he does not blur the line.

 

[waqar goraya]

I really didn't like the video recorded and posted by Ali Zaidi today to show how Khan was traveling in Peshawar with hardly any security PK was driving. Are you really that dumb? Stop these dumb acts and shobazi there is a difference between security and protocol. Khan shouldn't take protocol which includes blocking and clearing roads while moving but he should get full security we can't afford to lose another leader. It's time for agencies to come forward and have a meeting with IK his careless attitude is making their job really difficult.

Mian sahib i fully agree with you. It's about time PTI comes out of its amateurish tendencies and behave like a responsible and sensible identity.

You don't need to necessarily block roads.

All you need is minimum security protocol.

Don't need to block roads at all. Around 10 security forces cars, and 2-3 cars for PM along with a mobile phone signal jammer , an ambulance would be enough. PM cars should be both bomb and bullet proof. That's all you need.

 

[waqar goraya]

You can't ignore ground realities that how many terrorist groups and proxies could play with the head of the state in Pakistan.

Even a DIG travels with 8-10 official vehicles. A PM needs security.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

What message is he sending, that Pakistan cannot afford expenses towards its premier leader? He should aim to make the nation earn more, instead of this frugality and muflisi.

yaar, i admire ur posts. this is not sarcasm at all.

 

[Lonewarrior]

he will understand when he takes the oath. Intel agencies makes sure to provide full security, whether someone wants it or not. they dont listen, they didnt even listen to musharraf, who always asked for minimum protocol/security.

also, PTI members should stop this childish behaviour by making a video of Imran khan roaming free without security, someone plz give them slap for doing it. its stupdity, you are exposing Imran khan's security, which is none. most of the PTI members are effing chamchas, Imran needs to take oath asap, so these chamchas will not be allow near to him. Intel agencies needs to make it sure.

 

[KingKhanWC]

IK believes life and death is in the hands of God and he's correct. If you're meant to die, no matter the level of security you will.

Although the security forces give him advise and in his meetings with them after winning the election he has agreed to most of it. It's their job to ensure his safety and will do what it takes.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Although the security forces give him advise and in his meetings with them after winning the election he has agreed to most of it. It's their job to ensure his safety and will do what it takes.

yeah its Intel job to make it sure, but you have to listen and obey the rules and protocols. whether you like it or not. if someone dont listen to Intel thn what will Intel do ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

yeah its Intel job to make it sure, but you have to listen and obey the rules and protocols. whether you like it or not. if someone dont listen to Intel thn what will Intel do ?

If it's reasonable he will accept.

Pakistani people have suffered so much over the last decade with little or no security in all parts of the country. Sure he's the leader but he has to have some sort of balance. If he doesn't want to live in lavish palaces he also doesn't want extreme security when his people have none. No random person will be able to attack him, it would be outside agencies or powerful people behind any such attempt, so this is the job of the Pakistani intelligence to ensure they stop any such incidents before they even take place.

 

[Lonewarrior]

If it's reasonable he will accept.

Pakistani people have suffered so much over the last decade with little or no security in all parts of the country. Sure he's the leader but he has to have some sort of balance. If he doesn't want to live in lavish palaces he also doesn't want extreme security when his people have none. No random person will be able to attack him, it would be outside agencies or powerful people behind any such attempt, so this is the job of the Pakistani intelligence to ensure they stop any such incidents before they even take place.

@Bold.
dont be so naive, a "person" can be bought. we are in proxy war.

 

[KingKhanWC]

@Bold.
dont be so naive, a "person" can be bought. we are in proxy war.

I was referring to a random person the street who may have little but a motive of hate and some sort of weapon.

Of course traitors or people within certain institutions can be bought but as mentioned this is the job of the Pakistan intelligence services to foil.

In the proxy war who in your opinion would be potential attackers? Which nations?

 

[DRsohail]

The provincial government has the authority to ensure that the CM doesn’t live in CM House, but they don’t have authority over governors because they are under the jurisdiction of the President.

Imran obviously could not force Pervez Khattak to live without protocol, but as PM, he will obviously lead by example. However, there is a thin line between cutting down expenses and living dangerously, and I hope he does not blur the line.

get your facts straight. It was army who did not allow that. It is in can’t area and they were not allowing this to be used a public library etc and khtak had to move there after 5 months of he has been CM. Though I am sure khatk would have liked to be n CM house earlier.

 

[waqar goraya]

Despite tall claims, 350 security personnel deployed at Bani Gala


https://tribune.com.pk/story/177541...ms-350-security-personnel-deployed-bani-gala/

So far security forces are not taking any risk.

 

[Lonewarrior]

In the proxy war who in your opinion would be potential attackers? Which nations?

some western powers, and some neighbours.

 

[slipcatch]

Despite tall claims, 350 security personnel deployed at Bani Gala


https://tribune.com.pk/story/177541...ms-350-security-personnel-deployed-bani-gala/

So far security forces are not taking any risk.

And they shouldn’t.

Cut down on protocol as long as it does not compromise on security.

 

[Savak]

IK believes life and death is in the hands of God and he's correct. If you're meant to die, no matter the level of security you will.

Although the security forces give him advise and in his meetings with them after winning the election he has agreed to most of it. It's their job to ensure his safety and will do what it takes.

Just because it is in the hands of god does not mean you act carelessly and recklessly, there has to be some reasonable amount of security.

 

[Savak]

I was referring to a random person the street who may have little but a motive of hate and some sort of weapon.

Of course traitors or people within certain institutions can be bought but as mentioned this is the job of the Pakistan intelligence services to foil.

In the proxy war who in your opinion would be potential attackers? Which nations?

This is the height of naiveness. Once people discover what IK's routine and travelling arrangements are coupled with insufficient security, he will be leaving himself open to attacks.

He will not only be on the hook by religious extremists, terrorists organizations but also local political groups who will feel threatened by his anti corruption stance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just because it is in the hands of god does not mean you act carelessly and recklessly, there has to be some reasonable amount of security.

This is the height of naiveness. Once people discover what IK's routine and travelling arrangements are coupled with insufficient security, he will be leaving himself open to attacks.

He will not only be on the hook by religious extremists, terrorists organizations but also local political groups who will feel threatened by his anti corruption stance.

Of course security has to be in place even if it is in the hands of God.

Already explained it will be the job of the security personnel and also the intelligence services to protect and foil the attacks. You seem to feel IK will be walking around bare foot on his own.

 

[Mian]

Mian sahib i fully agree with you. It's about time PTI comes out of its amateurish tendencies and behave like a responsible and sensible identity.

You don't need to necessarily block roads.

All you need is minimum security protocol.

Don't need to block roads at all. Around 10 security forces cars, and 2-3 cars for PM along with a mobile phone signal jammer , an ambulance would be enough. PM cars should be both bomb and bullet proof. That's all you need.

Honestly, I think all this will change once he takes the oath and officially becomes the PM.

Even though I do agree with you, that was stupid and he should be looking at the bigger picture. Pakistan can't afford to lose another leader, that too, IK.

Yea this really attitude really need to be changed just follow the normal security protocol instead of having those 40-50 vehicles on roads with you every time you move blocking all the roads to create issues for the public.

 

[DrSchultz]

You can't ignore ground realities that how many terrorist groups and proxies could play with the head of the state in Pakistan.

Even a DIG travels with 8-10 official vehicles. A PM needs security.

Where? In Lahore I have seen the IG only traveling with a 3 vehicle entourage.

 

[Major]

Btw would the pm house turning in to a uni or something of that sort backfire?

Govts change after every 5 years

 

[Major]

he will understand when he takes the oath. Intel agencies makes sure to provide full security, whether someone wants it or not. they dont listen, they didnt even listen to musharraf, who always asked for minimum protocol/security.

also, PTI members should stop this childish behaviour by making a video of Imran khan roaming free without security, someone plz give them slap for doing it. its stupdity, you are exposing Imran khan's security, which is none. most of the PTI members are effing chamchas, Imran needs to take oath asap, so these chamchas will not be allow near to him. Intel agencies needs to make it sure.

This.

Nawaz sharif always used to make such promises aswell when he would go to murree. Yet people would had to suffer.


Problem isnt the PM recieving protocol.

Its when some general, senior ISI official or some senior judge moves with road blocks enforced.

Also when isi enforces a road block they do it in plain clothes.

It even becomes annoying when general saab has to go to work in the morning which causes road blocks from the kachayree area.

 

[hussain.r97]

Btw would the pm house turning in to a uni or something of that sort backfire?

Govts change after every 5 years

It's not going to happen. There is no way they can convert it into a university as it will pose a security risk considering it is in the 'red zone'. From what I recall, this was the exact same problem in Peshawar.

It will probably end up being used as a guesthouse for foreign dignitaries and leaders.

 

[Mamoon]

get your facts straight. It was army who did not allow that. It is in can’t area and they were not allowing this to be used a public library etc and khtak had to move there after 5 months of he has been CM. Though I am sure khatk would have liked to be n CM house earlier.

Yes I have heard it a million times now. Please don’t make excuses. However, suppose it is true, it doesn’t put PTI in a good light either way.

There are two possibilities - (a) the idea was opposed by Pervez Khattak which is why it was dropped or (b) the decision was overruled by the army.

If it was overruled by the army, why didn’t Imran mention it regularly in his election campaign? Why didn’t he say that as per my promise of not moving into the PM House, we were also not going to use CM House in KP, but the army didn’t let us.

Is he afraid of the army because they backed him in the elections and helped with the rigging?

 

[DRsohail]

Yes I have heard it a million times now. Please don’t make excuses. However, suppose it is true, it doesn’t put PTI in a good light either way.

There are two possibilities - (a) the idea was opposed by Pervez Khattak which is why it was dropped or (b) the decision was overruled by the army.

If it was overruled by the army, why didn’t Imran mention it regularly in his election campaign? Why didn’t he say that as per my promise of not moving into the PM House, we were also not going to use CM House in KP, but the army didn’t let us. S

Is he afraid of the army because they backed him in the elections and helped with the rigging?

Forget about Imran mentioning it. Pervaiz khtak has himself mentioned it and you can see video phir age as well. But khan can’t drive his election campaign on someone advice.

 

[Savak]

Staying in the Governors House on the week days and in Bani Gala on the weekends is going to be a big hassle.

IK should just have made Bani Gala his official residence and stuck to it to make life easy for everyone.

 

[FreakCricket]

I think making Prime minister's house into University will suffice, about protocol he need's it and for the sake of our future and our country's future he need to do his 2+ terms.

 

[Pakistanian]

Staying in the Governors House on the week days and in Bani Gala on the weekends is going to be a big hassle.

IK should just have made Bani Gala his official residence and stuck to it to make life easy for everyone.

This has been mentioned before dude, he can't stay there for security reasons and that's why he's moving into a ministers enclave.

 

[Savak]

This has been mentioned before dude, he can't stay there for security reasons and that's why he's moving into a ministers enclave.

I know, I am not buying it. He stayed in that place for 15 years and during times when he was a very popular, rising leader when the security risks to him where as severe as now. How come that place now out of the blue is no longer feasible security wise?

 

[Lonewarrior]

sorry to say, but Prime minister house was built with all of its security measures. it should be simple structure but NS chooses to make it look like a castle from outside.

So now this Castle has, a top notch of security, from top to bottom. Aerial defense system for any conventional or unconventional threats, nuclear bunker in case of nuclear attack and many things which we cant talk about.

So the question is, what Intel Agencies have to do thn ? make a new prime minister house ?

 

[Pakistanian]

I know, I am not buying it. He stayed in that place for 15 years and during times when he was a very popular, rising leader when the security risks to him where as severe as now. How come that place now out of the blue is no longer feasible security wise?

He wasn't head of state and now his security is not in his domain. His security is gonna be managed by the security establishment. They assesed his house and said they can't provide fool proof security to that house. Also the ministers enclave is very modest compared to Khans current house.

 

[Mamoon]

sorry to say, but Prime minister house was built with all of its security measures. it should be simple structure but NS chooses to make it look like a castle from outside.

So now this Castle has, a top notch of security, from top to bottom. Aerial defense system for any conventional or unconventional threats, nuclear bunker in case of nuclear attack and many things which we cant talk about.

So the question is, what Intel Agencies have to do thn ? make a new prime minister house ?

He has every right to live in the PM House. However, he is the one who decided to showbaazi and talk about how he is not going to live like a king in a palace.

The Punjab House is not as luxurious as the PM House, but it is still lavish and contradicts what he claimed for years.

Anyway, the country has far bigger issues. This u-turn will also be forgotten, provided that he tackles the core issues.

 

[PakLFC]

I did not want to open another thread instead putting information about Imran Khan'smeeting with US envoy here. This is what happened. IK telling the American's exactly what he said during his pre election speeches.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...in-a-couple-of-jibes/articleshow/65333341.cms