How do Bangladesh attract elite names to their Coaching Staff?

[Varun]

Jonty Rhodes is doing the rounds of being their upcoming fielding coach. Other than him, they have Courtney Walsh as their fast bowling coach and Thilan Samaraweera as their batting coach.

In the past, they've also had Heath Streak, Julian Fountain, Ian Pont, Dav Whatmore, Richard Halsall and other impressive names.

Deep pockets, or something else at play here?

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Jonty Rhodes is doing the rounds of being their upcoming fielding coach. Other than him, they have Courtney Walsh as their fast bowling coach and Thilan Samaraweera as their batting coach.

In the past, they've also had Heath Streak, Julian Fountain, Ian Pont, Dav Whatmore, Richard Halsall and other impressive names.

Deep pockets, or something else at play here?

As a coach ,none of the above listed are stellar names.

 

[Varun]

As a coach ,none of the above listed are stellar names.

As former players though? Walsh was a bonafide West Indian legend. Jonty Rhodes is Jonty Rhodes especially if he's a fielding coach, and Samaraweera was an underrated Lankan batsman.

Heath Streak was a Zimbabwean great, and the others in the list are well qualified from a coaching perspective.

 

[Executioner]

This is because:

1) BCB can afford these coaches. BCB is quite well off, BCB generates a huge amount of income from local sponsorships, BPL, hosting international events.

2) Most coaches wishes to work with an ever improving side. When you work with a top team, or an associate side, no one will look into your credentials. However, if you are going to work with a developing side then your coaching skills will be put the test. So far Courtney Walsh has been poor and it has been exposed but the top coaches usually want to work with a developing side. See how Heath Streak got a lot of accolades for improving our pace attack. When he joined, our pace attack was poor, but now, in LOIs our pace attack is better than that of most sides, probably 3rd best in recent times, after Aus and NZ. Disagree? Check the performance of our pacers off late, all that playing mostly in wickets with little assistance for our pacers. Our test bowling is poor as always though.

3) BCB off late has been highly professional and can thus has good convincing power.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Jonty Rhodes is doing the rounds of being their upcoming fielding coach. Other than him, they have Courtney Walsh as their fast bowling coach and Thilan Samaraweera as their batting coach.

In the past, they've also had Heath Streak, Julian Fountain, Ian Pont, Dav Whatmore, Richard Halsall and other impressive names.

Deep pockets, or something else at play here?

Not only deep pockets but also other facilities and honor,power (main coach) and freedom at best. These things play big roles tying big names with BCB and bd cricket more than big money.

 

[Varun]

2) Most coaches wishes to work with an ever improving side. When you work with a top team, or an associate side, no one will look into your credentials. However, if you are going to work with a developing side then your coaching skills will be put the test. So far Courtney Walsh has been poor and it has been exposed but the top coaches usually want to work with a developing side. See how Heath Streak got a lot of accolades for improving our pace attack. When he joined, our pace attack was poor, but now, in LOIs our pace attack is better than that of most sides, probably 3rd best in recent times, after Aus and NZ. Disagree? Check the performance of our pacers off late, all that playing mostly in wickets with little assistance for our pacers. Our test bowling is poor as always though.

Well, good on them.

I'm now reading that Jonty will only come in as a consultant. Don't think Bangladesh's fielding standards will improve too much unless they have him full time for a good couple of years at the very least.

 

[EliteCynical]

They even approached Kumble for being a spin consultant but he declined and proposed Sunil Joshi's name. Looks like Joshi might be getting on board.

As someone said above, they are a rich board with a lot of local revenue. Heath Streak IMO was the biggest loss coz I thought he changed the face of fast bowling in Bangladesh.

 

[rhony]

This is because:

1) BCB can afford these coaches. BCB is quite well off, BCB generates a huge amount of income from local sponsorships, BPL, hosting international events.

2) Most coaches wishes to work with an ever improving side. When you work with a top team, or an associate side, no one will look into your credentials. However, if you are going to work with a developing side then your coaching skills will be put the test. So far Courtney Walsh has been poor and it has been exposed but the top coaches usually want to work with a developing side. See how Heath Streak got a lot of accolades for improving our pace attack. When he joined, our pace attack was poor, but now, in LOIs our pace attack is better than that of most sides, probably 3rd best in recent times, after Aus and NZ. Disagree? Check the performance of our pacers off late, all that playing mostly in wickets with little assistance for our pacers. Our test bowling is poor as always though.

3) BCB off late has been highly professional and can thus has good convincing power.

Losing Streak was a huge blow. The pace bowling has declined a bit and it is no mere coincidence. There is excitement around BD cricket and it is one of the very few countries that has a huge revenue potential in cricket in the coming years. BCB is stable with not much drama and that helps

 

[SunRay]

Nah, I don't think they have that much influence. They badly wanted to keep whatmore as their main coach but whatmore didn't bother to listen to their request, instead he he decided to work with Indian club cricketers. Lol.


Streak too didn't bother to keep coaching them. Kimble and Ganguly also refused to be their coach.

But out of nowhere they decided to bring in Walsh which was obviously a Terrible selection and now they r paying high price for that.

 

[SunRay]

Losing Streak was a huge blow. The pace bowling has declined a bit and it is no mere coincidence. There is excitement around BD cricket and it is one of the very few countries that has a huge revenue potential in cricket in the coming years. BCB is stable with not much drama and that helps

Walsh is a terrible coach. I don't think he has any experience as a coach. Guys like him r only good as a mentor or consultant but he certainly doesn't have the credentials to become the coach of a national team.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bangladesh's future looks bright so it makes sense to invest in their cricket and gain experience. New coaches would definitely like to work with a team that doesn't have many egoistic players and are willing to learn.

 

[tonmoy]

Nah, I don't think they have that much influence. They badly wanted to keep whatmore as their main coach but whatmore didn't bother to listen to their request, instead he he decided to work with Indian club cricketers. Lol.


Streak too didn't bother to keep coaching them. Kimble and Ganguly also refused to be their coach.

But out of nowhere they decided to bring in Walsh which was obviously a Terrible selection and now they r paying high price for that.

Life in Dhaka is not as attractive as life anywhere else in the world, so while money is not a problem for BCB, it is still hard to attract great coaches.

 

[Executioner]

Nah, I don't think they have that much influence. They badly wanted to keep whatmore as their main coach but whatmore didn't bother to listen to their request, instead he he decided to work with Indian club cricketers. Lol.


Streak too didn't bother to keep coaching them. Kimble and Ganguly also refused to be their coach.

But out of nowhere they decided to bring in Walsh which was obviously a Terrible selection and now they r paying high price for that.

Whatmore would kill to coach Bangladesh. 10 years back BCB was struggling with money but not anymore

And Kumble is already busy coaching India, if i am not wrong and Ganguly was never asked to be a coach but rather a consultant, he refused probably because BCB didn't want to pay too much for his services and Ganguly felt his job as an analyst would be better off.

Top coaches even those who have coached us in the past has shown great interest to return to coach in Bangladesh.

Only issue could be that living in Dhaka isn't worthwhile. Dhaka is one of the worst city to live in and I can confirm that from personal experience

 

[Abdullah719]

Vettori appointed Bangladesh spin bowling coach

Daniel Vettori's first assignment with the Tigers will be against India at the end of this year and his contract runs until the 2020 World T20I in Australia, and during this time he will work for at least 100 days with the Bangladesh side

Legendary former New Zealand spinner Daniel Vettori has been named the new Bangladesh spin bowling coach following a board meeting at the BCB headquarter in Mirpur Saturday.

The 40-year old Kiwi replaces India's Sunil Joshi, who was appointed in August, 2017.

Vettori's first assignment with the Tigers will be against India at the end of this year and his contract runs until the 2020 World T20I in Australia, and during this time he will work for at least 100 days with the Bangladesh side.

“We had options for full time coach, but our preference is former New Zealand captain and spinner Daniel Vettori. He will be available for us just prior to the India series in November this year. He will work until the next World T20I in 2020. Actually we wanted him full time but he is not available. So he will work for 100 days for us between this term,” said BCB boss Nazmul Hasan at a press conference.

Vettori has played 113 Test matches, 295 ODIs and 34 T20Is for New Zealand.

He was head coach of the Royal Challengers Bangalore from 2014 to 2018.

In July 2019, he was appointed as the head coach of the Dublin Chiefs for the inaugural edition of the Euro T20 Slam cricket tournament.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/2019/07/27/vettori-appointed-bangladesh-spin-bowling-coach

 

[Abdullah719]

Langeveldt named Bangladesh pace bowling coach

West Indies fast bowling legend Courtney Walsh was previously the Tigers' pace bowling coach but his almost three-year tenure was cut short following Bangladesh's performance in the World Cup 2019 in England and Wales where they finished eighth among 10 teams

Former South Africa paceman Charl Langeveldt has been appointed the new Bangladesh pace bowling coach following a board meeting at the BCB headquarter in Mirpur Saturday.

West Indies fast bowling legend Courtney Walsh was previously the Tigers' pace bowling coach but his almost three-year tenure was cut short following Bangladesh's performance in the World Cup 2019 in England and Wales where they finished eighth among 10 teams.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/2019/07/27/langeveldt-named-bangladesh-pace-bowling-coach

 

[MMHS]

Flashy names, but a bit too flashy for me. Not sure what a Kiwi spinner should teach our boys better than an Indian. Bat could have been a good shot for head coach role, but it’s Gary Kristen’s pick I believe, hope it works.

Langeveldt was SAF bowling coach for sometimes and he is also like hand picked by Kirsten. May be a good choice, but I would have liked to see a level 4 English coach to teach boys the art of swing & seem. I don’t think our boys are physically still there to be coached by an Aussie, Protea or West Indian. One of the main reasons for improved Indian pace attack is their fast bowling coaching staff (s) of Varat Arun & TA Shekhar - DK Lillee or Allen Donald with their Rugby shoulders won’t have done this, though they are much bigger names.

We need a proper, long term Coach - did like Rhodes, but somehow it didn’t work. Next HC must have to appointed for 4 years - we are into a twilight zone now where 6-7, may be 10-12 players need to be replaced. 2019 WC was quite easy in terms of selecting squad, won’t be that simple in 4 years time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Flashy names, but a bit too flashy for me. Not sure what a Kiwi spinner should teach our boys better than an Indian. Bat could have been a good shot for head coach role, but it’s Gary Kristen’s pick I believe, hope it works.

Langeveldt was SAF bowling coach for sometimes and he is also like hand picked by Kirsten. May be a good choice, but I would have liked to see a level 4 English coach to teach boys the art of swing & seem. I don’t think our boys are physically still there to be coached by an Aussie, Protea or West Indian. One of the main reasons for improved Indian pace attack is their fast bowling coaching staff (s) of Varat Arun & TA Shekhar - DK Lillee or Allen Donald with their Rugby shoulders won’t have done this, though they are much bigger names.

We need a proper, long term Coach - did like Rhodes, but somehow it didn’t work. Next HC must have to appointed for 4 years - we are into a twilight zone now where 6-7, may be 10-12 players need to be replaced. 2019 WC was quite easy in terms of selecting squad, won’t be that simple in 4 years time.

You can have the greatest bowling coaches but if you dont have the bowlers, they are worth nothing.

 

[MMHS]

You can have the greatest bowling coaches but if you dont have the bowlers, they are worth nothing.

Bowlers are product of system, not some genetically hybrid creature. Proper coaching is the first step of developing that system. Otherwise we’ll be waiting for decades for some natural talunt dropping from sky. For the time being, I think hoping for a 150K pacer emerging from back pocket, our best possible way is to develop technically skilled few pacers who can operate at 134Km range and ~6’ height. English coaches are best for that.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bangladesh is actually 5th richest cricket board in the world (net worth of $51-million). They are not broke like some other small countries.

It is because they have quite a lot of sponsors. BPL also helps.

I am very surprised to see Vettori as our spin coach. Why can't we get a spin coach from subcontinent? Spin is a subcontinental thing.

 

[Dingolfy]

Flashy names, but a bit too flashy for me. Not sure what a Kiwi spinner should teach our boys better than an Indian. Bat could have been a good shot for head coach role, but it’s Gary Kristen’s pick I believe, hope it works.

Langeveldt was SAF bowling coach for sometimes and he is also like hand picked by Kirsten. May be a good choice, but I would have liked to see a level 4 English coach to teach boys the art of swing & seem. I don’t think our boys are physically still there to be coached by an Aussie, Protea or West Indian. One of the main reasons for improved Indian pace attack is their fast bowling coaching staff (s) of Varat Arun & TA Shekhar - DK Lillee or Allen Donald with their Rugby shoulders won’t have done this, though they are much bigger names.

We need a proper, long term Coach - did like Rhodes, but somehow it didn’t work. Next HC must have to appointed for 4 years - we are into a twilight zone now where 6-7, may be 10-12 players need to be replaced. 2019 WC was quite easy in terms of selecting squad, won’t be that simple in 4 years time.

When you are a good a coach, you should be able to work with all body types. And most of Indian bowlers have trained in MRF under Dennis Lillee and now under Glenn Mcgrawth.
Plenty of European coaches have successfully coached much smaller Asian teams. The best coaches we ever had in Indian hockey were all Australian( Its sad that our stupid federation couldn't make them stay).

 

[Dingolfy]

Bowlers are product of system, not some genetically hybrid creature. Proper coaching is the first step of developing that system. Otherwise we’ll be waiting for decades for some natural talunt dropping from sky. For the time being, I think hoping for a 150K pacer emerging from back pocket, our best possible way is to develop technically skilled few pacers who can operate at 134Km range and ~6’ height. English coaches are best for that.

I am pretty sure Bangladeshis have few folks with the body structure of Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron and even Bumrah who had all bowled 150 plus.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This is because:

1) BCB can afford these coaches. BCB is quite well off, BCB generates a huge amount of income from local sponsorships, BPL, hosting international events.

2) Most coaches wishes to work with an ever improving side. When you work with a top team, or an associate side, no one will look into your credentials. However, if you are going to work with a developing side then your coaching skills will be put the test. So far Courtney Walsh has been poor and it has been exposed but the top coaches usually want to work with a developing side. See how Heath Streak got a lot of accolades for improving our pace attack. When he joined, our pace attack was poor, but now, in LOIs our pace attack is better than that of most sides, probably 3rd best in recent times, after Aus and NZ. Disagree? Check the performance of our pacers off late, all that playing mostly in wickets with little assistance for our pacers. Our test bowling is poor as always though.

3) BCB off late has been highly professional and can thus has good convincing power.

Wow this post hasn't aged well. Bangladesh pace bowling attack third best after Australia and New Zealand? No wonder you guys get trolled mercilessly over here

 

[DrSchultz]

Wow this post hasn't aged well. Bangladesh pace bowling attack third best after Australia and New Zealand? No wonder you guys get trolled mercilessly over here

What happened to 2nd best team in Asia...

 

[omorst7]

You forgot mentioning two names!! GRINDGE & WHATMORE!!

 

[Hasan123]

Bangladesh are professional cricket team for the most part and they also seem to pay well.

I think the way the PCB acts doesn’t help us when it comes to attracting elite coaches.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

From a risk:reward point of view for a coach it's a great gig.

You get to work for a cricket mad country but results dont really matter too much, at the very most the expectation is to compete at home and that's about it.

So if you fail to make any significant progress it's no big deal because the expectations weren't high, but the rewards are huge if you do have success and you will be a hero in the country forever.

In fact if money didnt come into it and if I was a coach I'd go for the Bangladesh coach job vs India or Pakistan where the risks and pressures are far far too much.

 

[Mueez]

If I were a professional coach I’d love to work with Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Two countries where there is a loads of talent but it hasn’t reached it’s full potential yet.

Imagine you pull off them to a steady ranking and you win an ICC trophy with it.

You will become a hero.

 

[MMHS]

From a risk:reward point of view for a coach it's a great gig.

You get to work for a cricket mad country but results dont really matter too much, at the very most the expectation is to compete at home and that's about it.

So if you fail to make any significant progress it's no big deal because the expectations weren't high, but the rewards are huge if you do have success and you will be a hero in the country forever.

In fact if money didnt come into it and if I was a coach I'd go for the Bangladesh coach job vs India or Pakistan where the risks and pressures are far far too much.

This is a bit rich coming from a PAK fan - and that’s becoming a problem for me in PP. First part of your post was perfectly acceptable and I do agree but you spoiled it with the last para. India is a perfect example here (though Shastri somehow survived the chop this time), but PAK - risk is there indeed to work with PCB but pressure? Really?

Buddy, your board extended WY’s contract 3 times, kept Grant Flower for 5 years now and Mickey Arthur have kept his job in flying colours after 0-2 against SRL, that famous run of 0-8 in NZ, AUS & SAF, losing “home” series to NZ after 49 years or that 3-23 run heading to WC in ODI, including a not so glorious Asia Cup ..... and now they are thinking of extending his contract after finishing ....... whereas bechara Rhodes got P45, after WC - don’t you think your post is a bit weird?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is a bit rich coming from a PAK fan - and that’s becoming a problem for me in PP. First part of your post was perfectly acceptable and I do agree but you spoiled it with the last para. India is a perfect example here (though Shastri somehow survived the chop this time), but PAK - risk is there indeed to work with PCB but pressure? Really?

Buddy, your board extended WY’s contract 3 times, kept Grant Flower for 5 years now and Mickey Arthur have kept his job in flying colours after 0-2 against SRL, that famous run of 0-8 in NZ, AUS & SAF, losing “home” series to NZ after 49 years or that 3-23 run heading to WC in ODI, including a not so glorious Asia Cup ..... and now they are thinking of extending his contract after finishing ....... whereas bechara Rhodes got P45, after WC - don’t you think your post is a bit weird?

Seems like my post touched a nerve for some reason and you have gotten upset. I apologise for this. I am playing the man here instead of the ball( just as you did with my post) but it seems Bangalis get offended when they feel someone indirectly says Pakistan cricket is at a different level to theirs. Unfortunately this is an internal issue that I cant control but still I will apologise for getting you heated up.

Pressure in sport can come in a number of ways. Let's discuss them here, perhaps I am ignorant to the pressures of Bangaldesh cricket and you will educate me.

Pressure can come from the fans. Now in the subcontinent this is difficult to gauge, but historically Pakistan and India fans will turn on players more swiftly than Bangalis will. Again I could be wrong here but I have grown up watching Bangladesh get thrashed and their fans constantly being happy that they at least competed. I see them always beaming in stadium despite a huge number of defeats and even backing players who pull out of series. Dont get me wrong these are good qualities for the most part but they are not similar reactions to how Pakistan and Indian fans have historically reacted.

Second we can talk about the media. I'm not aware or Bangali media ( language difference) so I cant make a direct comparison. I can hand on my heart say that India and Pakistani media/pundits/ex players analysis of sport is amongst the most crazy I have seen ( comparing it mainly with media in English speaking countries), they put crazy expectations and unnecessary pressure on players/coaches. Again, if Bangali media is similar please let me know ( I doubt it though). There is no golden generation of players/bangla cricket to compare the current side to so there is no experienced pundit etc that can lambast them

Finally you bring about the example of coaches using two examples, one of them is recent, who knows he may get the chop soon too. Since 1992 Pakistan have had around 30 head coaches. I dont think any country has had so much. Please prove me wrong I will happily accept it. With such an attrition rate/ firing rate it will.undoubtedbly bring pressure. Mickey and the current regime may be an exception to the norm but the weight of history is heavy.

So really bearing all this in mind - dont you think your post is a bit weird?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If I were a professional coach I’d love to work with Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Two countries where there is a loads of talent but it hasn’t reached it’s full potential yet.

Imagine you pull off them to a steady ranking and you win an ICC trophy with it.

You will become a hero.

Bangladesh does not have loads of talent. The only talented cricketers from Bangladesh in last 15 years are Shakib, Mushfiqur and Mustafizur. Rest are average to mediocre.

 

[MMHS]

Seems like my post touched a nerve for some reason and you have gotten upset. I apologise for this. I am playing the man here instead of the ball( just as you did with my post) but it seems Bangalis get offended when they feel someone indirectly says Pakistan cricket is at a different level to theirs. Unfortunately this is an internal issue that I cant control but still I will apologise for getting you heated up.

Pressure in sport can come in a number of ways. Let's discuss them here, perhaps I am ignorant to the pressures of Bangaldesh cricket and you will educate me.

Pressure can come from the fans. Now in the subcontinent this is difficult to gauge, but historically Pakistan and India fans will turn on players more swiftly than Bangalis will. Again I could be wrong here but I have grown up watching Bangladesh get thrashed and their fans constantly being happy that they at least competed. I see them always beaming in stadium despite a huge number of defeats and even backing players who pull out of series. Dont get me wrong these are good qualities for the most part but they are not similar reactions to how Pakistan and Indian fans have historically reacted.

Second we can talk about the media. I'm not aware or Bangali media ( language difference) so I cant make a direct comparison. I can hand on my heart say that India and Pakistani media/pundits/ex players analysis of sport is amongst the most crazy I have seen ( comparing it mainly with media in English speaking countries), they put crazy expectations and unnecessary pressure on players/coaches. Again, if Bangali media is similar please let me know ( I doubt it though). There is no golden generation of players/bangla cricket to compare the current side to so there is no experienced pundit etc that can lambast them

Finally you bring about the example of coaches using two examples, one of them is recent, who knows he may get the chop soon too. Since 1992 Pakistan have had around 30 head coaches. I dont think any country has had so much. Please prove me wrong I will happily accept it. With such an attrition rate/ firing rate it will.undoubtedbly bring pressure. Mickey and the current regime may be an exception to the norm but the weight of history is heavy.

So really bearing all this in mind - dont you think your post is a bit weird?

I was also playing the ball with quite steady nerve as well. I could feel a bit offended for calling me Bengali, when I am a Bangladeshi, but I leave it there for you to get educated on the difference.

Just like you thought that Bangladeshi’s get a bit “heated” up for someone indirectly hinting that PAK cricket is at different level to Bangladesh - I was exactly in that route .... just difference is that you directly posted here that PAK cricket at same level of India - which got me a bit chuckled.

I have indeed seen pressure coming for PAK fans from EXPECTATIONS - for that Mo Hafeez is still considered for Captaincy, Malik hasn’t retired yet & Sarfraz didn’t resign. And, BCB has changed its entire coaching staff while PCB’s coaches are still there in flying colours, including Azhar Mehmood. But, indeed there is a level gap 5th vs 8th.

Never mind for my weird post - just stating my observation as a neutral here - Test No. 7 (& 6 in ODI) team is at per with Test No. 1 (& ODI No. 2) .... and a level above No. 9 & no. 7 team. Never mind - I know it’s PakPassion.

 

[MMHS]

I am pretty sure Bangladeshis have few folks with the body structure of Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron and even Bumrah who had all bowled 150 plus.

Physic is just one part of fast bowling - you need lot more technical coaching as well and more importantly, you need a bowling (be fast or spin) culture. At present, our cricket is entirely based on spin - with bat or ball; step by step this needs to change.

Also, body structure hardly ensures pace - you need particular muscles, ligaments to develop for that. Take NBA Star like David Robinson or Anthony Davis Serge Ibaka (most NBA Star) - absolute picture perfect body for fast bowling - can they reach Maliga's peak pace (Let alone Lee or Shoaib)?

By mentioning TA Shekhar or Varat Arun, I am actually explaining something different. Bowling is more of mentoring and a local bowler/coach actually knows his pupils better than a foreigner. While, batting is more methodical, process oriented, universal skills which can be developed by best in the business regardless of nationality or culture. For example, Coaches like Whatmore, Fletcher, Siddons have helped developing some of the best South Asian batsmen in last 20 years. We don't have any local coach for the fast bowlers - next best we can try is the specialist coach for a particular type. Streak was a fantastic coach for our pacers for that and Walshi couldn't; but I am sure Walsh will be a much better coach for WIN team.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION]

I often get frustrated in PP recent days not because of the posts related to BD cricket only, rather the theme of posts for almost every topic related to PAK cricket - it's often full of either false bravado, unrealistic expectations or bullying. The main reason is, most of the posters left here these days have very little clue of what they are writing for PAK cricket or what PAK cricket stands for or where PAK cricket has moved towards in last 20 years. I try to explain something with a proper spirit at the start, but often it's interpreted differently - sometimes being circumspective about my motive, sometimes simply for lack of knowledge and sometimes just to troll without having a proper answer.

This thread is one example - obviously, it's easier to manage a team with less expectation (that's why Brazil Coach has the lowest average tenure ... though I read in PP that PAK is Brazil of Cricket, but we can ignore trolls here, at least for once ......). But, the example you gave here (30+ coaches in 29 years) is absolutely moot here. PAK has the highest number of coaches (or other-way, most number of coaches being sacked by PCB) - NOT because of the load of expectation, RATHER because of dirty politics in PCB and often because of the change of leadership - which often ends the PAK coaching job in disgust. PAK coaches have left for reasons that probably you don't expect from any semi-professional administration - even a top performing fielding coach left for not being paid on time!!!!

I can give you the list of most of those 30+ coaches from my memory, with tenure, so please don't educate me on that. Coaches like Pybas, Lawson were sacked for reasons even PCB can't explain (ask 3 people of PCB - you might get 3 different reasons). Interestingly, PCB has appointed many of their sacked coaches multiple times - Javed, WY, Pybas, Intekhab .... this doesn't portrait a great reputation of PCB as an employer. Even a National coach is called donkey in mass media by an adviser of PCB Chairman - and both kept their job thereafter!!!! Someone must be desperate here, otherwise you could have added another name with that 30+.

I can categorically call a name here - Stuart Law, who declined to take PCB's job rather opted for WIN, and he has managed multiple teams of BCB - obviously "pressure of managing PCT's expectation" wasn't case here, you may like to believe so. BD team plays at home in front of sell-out crowd of 35,000 - PAK plays in front of 350 people max - obviously, for a better gin and status of superior human being, expectation of one Pakistani should be much more than those Bengali beggars, but not sure the ratio is that high (1:100), therefore Bangladesh Coach also has a little bit of pressure from expectations. Language isn't a bigger problem for me actually - AND, I have heard the cricket analytics of PAK media ... they do put lots of "pressure" indeed on PAK coach, though not sure how much of that for team performance and how much for who the coach is. In Bangladesh actually it's quite evenly distributed regardless of who the coach is - hence, the profile of our coaches were/are quite impressive and their tenure as well.

More than "low expectation", I would tend to believe that BCB respects their coach, protects them as well, pays on time & pays good money and above all, gives the coach proper autonomy to work - that has something to do with their reputation as employer.

 

[Abdullah719]

Ex-Proteas coach Domingo meets BCB high-ups

Former South Africa coach Russell Domingo met the Bangladesh Cricket Board high-ups Wednesday in Dhaka regarding the vacancy of the national head coach position.

BCB media committee chairman Jalal Younus informed that the meeting with Domingo was fruitful.

The BCB director did not reveal names of the other options the BCB is looking into, but it was learnt that Mike Hesson and Paul Farbrace are also part of the short list.

It is however, understood that the board is mulling appointing Domingo as the next Bangladesh coach only if there are no better options available.

The BCB is thinking of hiring Domingo mainly as game development coach.

Domingo reached the capital in the morning and met BCB president Nazmul Hasan at his private office, along with other board directors.

Domingo, one of the BCB favorites to succeed Steve Rhodes, presented his plans on Bangladesh cricket to the BCB decision makers.

Following almost a three-hour meeting with the BCB high-ups, Domingo left Nazmul’s office premises in a hurry without making any comment to the media.

The 44-year old is scheduled to leave Dhaka Thursday morning.

“We are in communication with a few coaches who have been short-listed for the post [Bangladesh head coach]. The process for recruiting the next Bangladesh coach is in motion. He [Domingo] visited us for an interview, and we have a couple more as options for the job. The remaining options will visit Dhaka in the next three-four days,” said Younus to the reporters Wednesday.

“He is a highly professional coach and gave us a good presentation. He has worked with South Africa cricket for a long time, and is highly qualified for the Bangladesh job. Now we need to think from our part, and also look into the other options that we have,” informed Younus.

Domingo at present is the South Africa “A” team coach, with a tour to India on the horizon that precedes the Proteas’ T20I and Test series against Virat Kohli’s team.

The 44-year old remains the only South African coach to oversee a Proteas win in the knockout stage of the World Cup when the team eliminated Sri Lanka at the quarter-final stage in Sydney in 2015.

He was in charge of the Proteas for four years from 2013 until 2017.

Current Bangladesh batting coach Neil McKenzie and recently appointed pace bowling coach Charl Langeveldt were part of Domingo’s support staff during his tenure with the South Africa national team.

The post for the Bangladesh head coach went vacant after the BCB parted ways with Rhodes by mutual understanding after the World Cup 2019.

Bangladesh finished eighth in the tournament and this made the BCB come to the decision, despite the agreement with Rhodes running till the World T20I 2020.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/2019/08/07/ex-proteas-coach-domingo-meets-bcb-high-ups

 

[Abdullah719]

Gibson in talks with BCB over bowling coach role

Current Cumilla Warriors coach Otis Gibson has confirmed that talks are ongoing between him and the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) about taking up the role as bowling coach of Bangladesh national team, which has been vacant since the departure of Charl Langeveldt.

“Yes, talks are ongoing,” Gibson told the media.

“I cannot deny that talks are ongoing but it is a long process,” he added.

The West Indian has loads of experience playing in first-class level and featured for Leicestershire and Staffordshire. After retiring from all forms of competitive cricket, Gibson turned to coaching. He served as England's bowling coach for a brief while before taking over as the head coach of West Indies. He was also the Windies coach when they won the T20 World Cup in 2012.

“I love cricket and want to coach bowling. I will take the opportunity if I can groom young pacers,” he said.

He already has made some connections with a few of the pacers. “I know a few of the players. Al Amin, who is a national team player is currently playing in our [Cumilla] side. If an opportunity comes I will look at it positively,” he concluded.

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports...son-talks-bcb-over-bowling-coach-role-1850287

 

[Rana]

I believe the ICC has requirements for its Test nations in the appointment of coaching staff. A lot of them may be big names but you probably do not know the actual contract details and how much BCB are paying these coaches (which is most likely affordable for all Test ranking teams). Another poster has made the point already, these coaches at the moment maybe big name cricketers but not big name coaches.

The only countries that are actually capable of affording big name coaches are England, India and Australia as these big name coaches come with very expensive staff as well. You can expect BCB to hire Ricky Ponting as their batting consultant/coach in the next few years, it still does not mean that they have acquired the services of a big name coach.

 

[MMHS]

I believe the ICC has requirements for its Test nations in the appointment of coaching staff. A lot of them may be big names but you probably do not know the actual contract details and how much BCB are paying these coaches (which is most likely affordable for all Test ranking teams). Another poster has made the point already, these coaches at the moment maybe big name cricketers but not big name coaches.

The only countries that are actually capable of affording big name coaches are England, India and Australia as these big name coaches come with very expensive staff as well. You can expect BCB to hire Ricky Ponting as their batting consultant/coach in the next few years, it still does not mean that they have acquired the services of a big name coach.

There is absolutely no rule from ICC regarding whom you appoint your coach or even if you need a coach; neither they pay for your coach. If there was anything, be sure that Misbah Ul Haque won’t have been a head coach of any Test team BCB or any other board is paying exactly the amount that could hire the services of their coach - no charity here.

Last part of your post actually went above my head - if BCB hires Ponting, then they’ll acquire his services as well; don’t think it’s a celebrity reality show that I hire you for your image and you need to fake in front of audiences. Also, not sure what you mean by big name coach & affordability - last few national coaches of SRL had been among the best in world and they are paid well also, that too by SLCB themselves. While current Indian head coach is Shastri & for Poms - Chris Silverwood.

 

[Rana]

There is absolutely no rule from ICC regarding whom you appoint your coach or even if you need a coach; neither they pay for your coach. If there was anything, be sure that Misbah Ul Haque won’t have been a head coach of any Test team BCB or any other board is paying exactly the amount that could hire the services of their coach - no charity here.

Last part of your post actually went above my head - if BCB hires Ponting, then they’ll acquire his services as well; don’t think it’s a celebrity reality show that I hire you for your image and you need to fake in front of audiences. Also, not sure what you mean by big name coach & affordability - last few national coaches of SRL had been among the best in world and they are paid well also, that too by SLCB themselves. While current Indian head coach is Shastri & for Poms - Chris Silverwood.

Don’t take it personally my friend. ICC definitely has requirements for coaching staff, they have coaching grades. There is no way any Tom dick and Harry can just apply to be the head coach of Tanzania let alone a Test nation. I believe Misbah completed his minimal coaching badges during the last years of his career and some time after his retirement. Hence ICC ensures every board is sufficiently equipped to hire the bare minimal requirements of coaching staff as a means of sustainability towards Test Status or upper tier international status. They have invested more than 2 decades in bringing Bangladesh up to compete with the top 8/9 Test teams as a means to expand Test cricket, hence they will ensure that their is no going backwards.

 

[Rana]

As for my point on Big name coaches, this is a trait that is developed through excellent results on tough circuits around the world and then later through the transformation of International teams playing cricket with a precise identity reflecting the hard work of that coach.

For instance, Trevor Baylis is a big name coach. This is a man who has never played international cricket, yet he was appointed by ECB to create an English cricket team capable of defeating the best teams of the world, England at this point where weaker than Pakistan as an ODI and T20 team. Look at Bayliss's work, look at the identity he created of an English playing style.

Another big name coach I would like to give credit to is Gary Kirsten. I believe he has been the ultimate coach that enabled India to achieve its potential as a serious contender of world cricket domination through his hard work and understanding the intricate details of cricket to enable India to become a solid unit for such a long time.

Acquiring the services of such names for a lengthy period (Minimal 4 years) is going to cost heavily, they have been there and proven that they can deliver the results you require. They know what it takes and who they need to bring in alongside them to help them go to that level.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] I believe the upcoming coaches of the future are those who grind out years with English counties and practice developing the identity of cricket they want to be associated with them as a coach on these teams. Watch out for Jason Gillespie, I recon he would be a great international coach when appointed.

 

[MMHS]

Don’t take it personally my friend. ICC definitely has requirements for coaching staff, they have coaching grades. There is no way any Tom dick and Harry can just apply to be the head coach of Tanzania let alone a Test nation. I believe Misbah completed his minimal coaching badges during the last years of his career and some time after his retirement. Hence ICC ensures every board is sufficiently equipped to hire the bare minimal requirements of coaching staff as a means of sustainability towards Test Status or upper tier international status. They have invested more than 2 decades in bringing Bangladesh up to compete with the top 8/9 Test teams as a means to expand Test cricket, hence they will ensure that their is no going backwards.

Nothing personal bro, but before inventing any theory, you have to back it with evidence & logic. ICC or even FIFA doesn’t have any regulations regarding whom you appoint coach or even if you need a coach. Forget Misbah, Indian head coach/director is a guy with best exploits in cricket media and the guy is doing fantastically for 3-4 years now.

ICC doesn’t need to impose anything here - if any country wants to improve in any sports, they’ll need to appoint better coaching staff, though I am not sure how much coaching staffs can do, without a proper & robust domestic system. Also, I don’t think Test status is awarded or sustained based on the coaching profile of the country - in that case, PAK will be at risk, you know. I do read Misbah completed his level 2 badge from PCB academy .... and PCB knew that as well, hence their job advertisement was asking exactly that for head coach’s role; though they went for higher level for specialist coaches. If this is not called by ICC, I am sure nothing will and rightly so - it’s not ICC’s scope to determine whom you appoint coach.

Regarding affordability, I thank many boards can spend $1 mn/per year for their coaching staffs, no big deal here. Some chooses professionals for the job, some novices - it’s a choice, not financial obligations, neither ICC’s guidelines.

 

[Sher Khan]

Nothing personal bro, but before inventing any theory, you have to back it with evidence & logic. ICC or even FIFA doesn’t have any regulations regarding whom you appoint coach or even if you need a coach. Forget Misbah, Indian head coach/director is a guy with best exploits in cricket media and the guy is doing fantastically for 3-4 years now.

ICC doesn’t need to impose anything here - if any country wants to improve in any sports, they’ll need to appoint better coaching staff, though I am not sure how much coaching staffs can do, without a proper & robust domestic system. Also, I don’t think Test status is awarded or sustained based on the coaching profile of the country - in that case, PAK will be at risk, you know. I do read Misbah completed his level 2 badge from PCB academy .... and PCB knew that as well, hence their job advertisement was asking exactly that for head coach’s role; though they went for higher level for specialist coaches. If this is not called by ICC, I am sure nothing will and rightly so - it’s not ICC’s scope to determine whom you appoint coach.

Regarding affordability, I thank many boards can spend $1 mn/per year for their coaching staffs, no big deal here. Some chooses professionals for the job, some novices - it’s a choice, not financial obligations, neither ICC’s guidelines.

But how can a poor country like Bangladesh afford to hire big names. Its strange, because in terms of cricketing ability and the thought of coaching a weak team, i dont think any coach would even want to look at the Bangladesh side. So my question is how does the BCB have such big dollars to coerce foreign elite names to coach a weak side like Bangladesh.

 

[silentkiller187]

Nothing personal bro, but before inventing any theory, you have to back it with evidence & logic. ICC or even FIFA doesn’t have any regulations regarding whom you appoint coach or even if you need a coach. Forget Misbah, Indian head coach/director is a guy with best exploits in cricket media and the guy is doing fantastically for 3-4 years now.

ICC doesn’t need to impose anything here - if any country wants to improve in any sports, they’ll need to appoint better coaching staff, though I am not sure how much coaching staffs can do, without a proper & robust domestic system. Also, I don’t think Test status is awarded or sustained based on the coaching profile of the country - in that case, PAK will be at risk, you know. I do read Misbah completed his level 2 badge from PCB academy .... and PCB knew that as well, hence their job advertisement was asking exactly that for head coach’s role; though they went for higher level for specialist coaches. If this is not called by ICC, I am sure nothing will and rightly so - it’s not ICC’s scope to determine whom you appoint coach.

Regarding affordability, I thank many boards can spend $1 mn/per year for their coaching staffs, no big deal here. Some chooses professionals for the job, some novices - it’s a choice, not financial obligations, neither ICC’s guidelines.

I think you are wrong here, there are definitely minimum thresholds that coaches need to to obtain before they can start managing or becoming a head coach. I would advise reading regulations before making silly comments, you can't just hire any tom dick and harry, take Vincent Kompany for example great footballer, became player manager but then had t give up his job because the Belgian FA found out he did not have the right badges.. This is professional sport not a circus act.

 

[MMHS]

But how can a poor country like Bangladesh afford to hire big names. Its strange, because in terms of cricketing ability and the thought of coaching a weak team, i dont think any coach would even want to look at the Bangladesh side. So my question is how does the BCB have such big dollars to coerce foreign elite names to coach a weak side like Bangladesh.

Cricket world is actually poor, hence the coaching staffs are also cheaper. The amount paid to a top cricket coach is quite comparable to a top corporate professional and most cricket boards’ revenue stream can cover that expense. Also, overall macro economics of a country hardly matters when it comes to the affordability of any sports board.

For a comparison, I read recently Liverpool has renewed Klopp’s contract for 4.5 years at £20mn+bonuses per year.... that’s more than $ half a million per week, more than enough to hire a top pro in cricket. It’s a different ball game all together in soccer, but in cricket even English head coach isn’t getting a fraction of what Southgate is charging English FA.

For any corporate structure, expenses of Human Resources is considered as a percentage of gross revenue - from that perspective, BCB actually can afford the top coaches around. I don’t think in professional coaching career, it hardly matters what’s the quality of the the players you are coaching, it’s about improving from current state and obviously the money associated with it; but most importantly the working environment. I have seen many top professionals avoiding selective employers despite being offered higher wage.

How does BCB offers, to know that you can actually check their annual financial statements, it should be available in website, to f you can interpret the numbers. Obviously it’s not a charity by ICC and if PCB can pay that level of wage for Wasim Khan, for a desk job, I am sure BCB can afford top pros for their technical roles.

 

[FreePalestine]

Nothing personal bro, but before inventing any theory, you have to back it with evidence & logic. ICC or even FIFA doesn’t have any regulations regarding whom you appoint coach or even if you need a coach. Forget Misbah, Indian head coach/director is a guy with best exploits in cricket media and the guy is doing fantastically for 3-4 years now.

ICC doesn’t need to impose anything here - if any country wants to improve in any sports, they’ll need to appoint better coaching staff, though I am not sure how much coaching staffs can do, without a proper & robust domestic system. Also, I don’t think Test status is awarded or sustained based on the coaching profile of the country - in that case, PAK will be at risk, you know. I do read Misbah completed his level 2 badge from PCB academy .... and PCB knew that as well, hence their job advertisement was asking exactly that for head coach’s role; though they went for higher level for specialist coaches. If this is not called by ICC, I am sure nothing will and rightly so - it’s not ICC’s scope to determine whom you appoint coach.

Regarding affordability, I thank many boards can spend $1 mn/per year for their coaching staffs, no big deal here. Some chooses professionals for the job, some novices - it’s a choice, not financial obligations, neither ICC’s guidelines.

Man, MMHS, my brotherly advice to you would be don’t take things to heart on here... You seem like an intelligent enough guy in some ways, so just remember that social media is filled with all kinds of people, many of whom have lots of stresses in their lives, and use these platforms to vent and goad people. Anyway, keep going as you see fit as it doesn’t really bother me either way. But I am worried about your state of mind based on the posts I have seen! Rest assured, many Pakistani’s nowadays don’t look down on Bangladesh and are fans of players like Shakib and Mahmadullah. So, if you find some people who say annoying things about Bangladesh, by all means, respond, but don’t take it to heart.

God bless.

On the Bangladesh coaching point - seems like they can get good coaches now. Pak also gets decent coaches but I don’t think we can get anyone of the quality of Woolmer because our coaching staff have historically not been treated well by the PCB. Inshallah this administration will be more professional.

So I think for a coach, apart from the standing of the team, the quality of life at the host country; security; financial compensation are all significant. I don’t know, maybe BD is regarded as safe and they can provide good moniezz nowadays?

 

[Rana]

Nothing personal bro, but before inventing any theory, you have to back it with evidence & logic. ICC or even FIFA doesn’t have any regulations regarding whom you appoint coach or even if you need a coach. Forget Misbah, Indian head coach/director is a guy with best exploits in cricket media and the guy is doing fantastically for 3-4 years now.

ICC doesn’t need to impose anything here - if any country wants to improve in any sports, they’ll need to appoint better coaching staff, though I am not sure how much coaching staffs can do, without a proper & robust domestic system. Also, I don’t think Test status is awarded or sustained based on the coaching profile of the country - in that case, PAK will be at risk, you know. I do read Misbah completed his level 2 badge from PCB academy .... and PCB knew that as well, hence their job advertisement was asking exactly that for head coach’s role; though they went for higher level for specialist coaches. If this is not called by ICC, I am sure nothing will and rightly so - it’s not ICC’s scope to determine whom you appoint coach.

Regarding affordability, I thank many boards can spend $1 mn/per year for their coaching staffs, no big deal here. Some chooses professionals for the job, some novices - it’s a choice, not financial obligations, neither ICC’s guidelines.

My brother, you cannot appoint a coach at a local cricket club in England who doesn’t have at least an ECB level 1 certificate and a valid DBS. ICC definetly has minimal requirements for officials and coaching staff that are working under the ICC/Test umbrella.

You make a valid point about the current Indian head coach and I am struggling to find where and when Shastri completes his coaching badges, rest assured I will find them and share them. If they do not exist, then I suspect that BCCI have registered their head coach position to the ICC as a vacant role and have registered Shastri under training or doing his badges on the job. This is just my theory I could be wrong.

Back to the point of discussion, ICC provides enough funding to all of its associated members to sign ICC level 3 coaches as a bare minimum.

 

[MMHS]

Man, MMHS, my brotherly advice to you would be don’t take things to heart on here... You seem like an intelligent enough guy in some ways, so just remember that social media is filled with all kinds of people, many of whom have lots of stresses in their lives, and use these platforms to vent and goad people. Anyway, keep going as you see fit as it doesn’t really bother me either way. But I am worried about your state of mind based on the posts I have seen! Rest assured, many Pakistani’s nowadays don’t look down on Bangladesh and are fans of players like Shakib and Mahmadullah. So, if you find some people who say annoying things about Bangladesh, by all means, respond, but don’t take it to heart.

God bless.

On the Bangladesh coaching point - seems like they can get good coaches now. Pak also gets decent coaches but I don’t think we can get anyone of the quality of Woolmer because our coaching staff have historically not been treated well by the PCB. Inshallah this administration will be more professional.

So I think for a coach, apart from the standing of the team, the quality of life at the host country; security; financial compensation are all significant. I don’t know, maybe BD is regarded as safe and they can provide good moniezz nowadays?

Thanks . You know, sometimes it’s need to be stumped that days have changed.

BCB’s status has changed over last few years - I can recall 2011, when Pybas actually quoted job after a week, now days every time there is an opening, the guy applies.

 

[MMHS]

My brother, you cannot appoint a coach at a local cricket club in England who doesn’t have at least an ECB level 1 certificate and a valid DBS. ICC definetly has minimal requirements for officials and coaching staff that are working under the ICC/Test umbrella.

You make a valid point about the current Indian head coach and I am struggling to find where and when Shastri completes his coaching badges, rest assured I will find them and share them. If they do not exist, then I suspect that BCCI have registered their head coach position to the ICC as a vacant role and have registered Shastri under training or doing his badges on the job. This is just my theory I could be wrong.

Back to the point of discussion, ICC provides enough funding to all of its associated members to sign ICC level 3 coaches as a bare minimum.

The rules for any countries domestic sports often isn’t standardised for the global administration, for obvious reasons. Imagine what is applicable in UK, try to apply that for weaker & smaller economy? For example, in BCB as well, up to 4th tier of cricket, you have to have some sort of coaching certification.... and trust me, I can afford one that covers it - travelling from Toronto and attend 16 hours coaching session in some academy (there are many now, growing every day like mushroom) ... and I am qualified for coaching in DPL Div 2!!!!!

Coming to the National coaching job, you yourself actually have answered the question - any board can rename their coaching role and appoint anyone, or do some arrangements for that. Coaching job in cricket is a bit overhyped - it started in mid 80s, when ACB (CA) appointed Bobby Simpson to steady their sinking ship along with skipper AB, that’s my known first head coaching appointments at national level. After that, Simpson was hosted by BCCI prior to the Australian tour (& WC of 1992) as consultants; may be there was always someone as coach, but not to my knowledge. That “vacant” logic doesn’t sound solid to be honest, because what you are suggesting, ICC will allow to keep head coaching spot vacant, but won’t allow to appoint someone under qualified!!!!! Quite logical, I have to say.

Yes, every cricket board has a revenue stream to meet their expenses, a good chunk of that comes from ICC and BCB definitely will any different here.

 

[MMHS]

I think you are wrong here, there are definitely minimum thresholds that coaches need to to obtain before they can start managing or becoming a head coach. I would advise reading regulations before making silly comments, you can't just hire any tom dick and harry, take Vincent Kompany for example great footballer, became player manager but then had t give up his job because the Belgian FA found out he did not have the right badges.. This is professional sport not a circus act.

I may be wrong, but I need to be proven wrong as well. There is definitely some qualification required for a coaching job, but I am not sure if it’s enforced by the global governing body, with a set standard of quality (of the certification).

That Kompany example doesn’t fit though - it’s pro soccer vs cricket. Belgian FA is part of UEFA, who has specific set of standards for their coaching jobs at any pro level - even in English or French 9th tier (semi pro league), before managing any club or being part of coaching staff, you have to earn some pro badge, accredited by UEFA. Most of their member FA are eligible to issue these pro badges up to a certain level; of which the highest level requires over two years of attachments and lots of theoretical & practical demonstrations. And, you have to earn it from UEFA’s technical committee. Even in UEFA, many members are not eligible to issue the top pro badge - something that people like José Mou (one example, because he never played professionally) holds... its almost like two years master’s program.

BUT, when it comes to FIFA, I am not sure if the standard is same. FIFA has over 210 members and most of them are participating in their event - WC qualifier. Please don’t tell me that Vanuatu, Tuvalu, Sierra Leon, Swaziland, Eritrea (No offence to anyone)...... FAs are forced to hire a professional coach from Europe or South America, otherwise they won’t be allowed to participate in FIFA events!!!! I believe, I have already debunked the issue of having “certificates” - Misbah has one as well, and he is now head coach of a major ICC member.... I guess, certification is manageable hindrance here; if there indeed exists some regulations.

 

[Rana]

The rules for any countries domestic sports often isn’t standardised for the global administration, for obvious reasons. Imagine what is applicable in UK, try to apply that for weaker & smaller economy? For example, in BCB as well, up to 4th tier of cricket, you have to have some sort of coaching certification.... and trust me, I can afford one that covers it - travelling from Toronto and attend 16 hours coaching session in some academy (there are many now, growing every day like mushroom) ... and I am qualified for coaching in DPL Div 2!!!!!

Coming to the National coaching job, you yourself actually have answered the question - any board can rename their coaching role and appoint anyone, or do some arrangements for that. Coaching job in cricket is a bit overhyped - it started in mid 80s, when ACB (CA) appointed Bobby Simpson to steady their sinking ship along with skipper AB, that’s my known first head coaching appointments at national level. After that, Simpson was hosted by BCCI prior to the Australian tour (& WC of 1992) as consultants; may be there was always someone as coach, but not to my knowledge. That “vacant” logic doesn’t sound solid to be honest, because what you are suggesting, ICC will allow to keep head coaching spot vacant, but won’t allow to appoint someone under qualified!!!!! Quite logical, I have to say.

Yes, every cricket board has a revenue stream to meet their expenses, a good chunk of that comes from ICC and BCB definitely will any different here.

Knowing the way BCCI operate, they are very good at ensuring all the boxes are ticked in all of their dealings and paperwork. It could be that Shastri has the minimum coaching badges required (Indian experts can help here), or it could be that they have someone in the back-room staff who is qualified as the head coach but Shastri is at the forefront under set guidance and surveillance.

 

[MMHS]

Knowing the way BCCI operate, they are very good at ensuring all the boxes are ticked in all of their dealings and paperwork. It could be that Shastri has the minimum coaching badges required (Indian experts can help here), or it could be that they have someone in the back-room staff who is qualified as the head coach but Shastri is at the forefront under set guidance and surveillance.

Or may be there is no such box exists at all that needs to be ticked, I don’t know but indeed worth investigating.

 

[Rana]

The point is that BCB have not done anything out of the ordinary, they are funded well just like all other ICC Test nations and they also have revenues of their own just like all other teams.

Hence affordability is not an issue. This is a great opportunity for any aspiring coach to learn about international cricket with a bunch of players that are willing to learn and work hard to become better than the strong competition around them.

 

[MMHS]

The point is that BCB have not done anything out of the ordinary, they are funded well just like all other ICC Test nations and they also have revenues of their own just like all other teams.

Hence affordability is not an issue. This is a great opportunity for any aspiring coach to learn about international cricket with a bunch of players that are willing to learn and work hard to become better than the strong competition around them.

That’s actually true for every job - good pay, a realistic expectation of performance within your resources and a working environment where you should expect to receive your salary on time & hopefully won’t be called a fool.

In that regard, BCB actually isn’t doing anything special and I don’t think there is much surprise either.

 

[Abdullah719]

Gibson in talks with BCB over bowling coach role

Current Cumilla Warriors coach Otis Gibson has confirmed that talks are ongoing between him and the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) about taking up the role as bowling coach of Bangladesh national team, which has been vacant since the departure of Charl Langeveldt.

“Yes, talks are ongoing,” Gibson told the media.

“I cannot deny that talks are ongoing but it is a long process,” he added.

The West Indian has loads of experience playing in first-class level and featured for Leicestershire and Staffordshire. After retiring from all forms of competitive cricket, Gibson turned to coaching. He served as England's bowling coach for a brief while before taking over as the head coach of West Indies. He was also the Windies coach when they won the T20 World Cup in 2012.

“I love cricket and want to coach bowling. I will take the opportunity if I can groom young pacers,” he said.

He already has made some connections with a few of the pacers. “I know a few of the players. Al Amin, who is a national team player is currently playing in our [Cumilla] side. If an opportunity comes I will look at it positively,” he concluded.

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports...son-talks-bcb-over-bowling-coach-role-1850287

Gibson waiting for BCB's response

Cumilla Warriors head coach Ottis Gibson said that he is waiting for a reply from the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) regarding his role as the next pace bowling coach of Bangladesh.

The BCB released pace bowling coach Charl Langeveldt from his post as per the request of the Cricket South Africa (CSA) on December 18, 2019 and since then, the post remained vacant.

Gibson had earlier mentioned that he was willing to work with the BCB. The West Indian said that he is now waiting for a reply from the board, which might come after the scheduled board meeting tomorrow.

"I have not heard anything since the last time we spoke [with BCB officials],’’ Gibson told reporters after Cumilla Warriors were eliminated from the Bangabandhu Bangladesh Premier League (BBPL) following their 92-run defeat against Khulna Tigers at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur on Friday .

"There is supposed to be a big meeting here tomorrow [Sunday] and I will hear something after that. At the moment there is no plan and I am waiting to hear from BCB whether they want me to join them or not. I have made myself available if that’s what they want. I am waiting out to see what transpires from the meeting tomorrow.’’ Gibson concluded.

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports/cricket/news/gibson-waiting-bcbs-response-1852642

 

[MenInG]

Not sure why Bangladesh dragging their feet on Gibson - should get him on asap

 

[sweep_shot]

Gibson would be a great addition. I always loved some of these Caribbean coaches.

 

[Saj]

Some crazy money being thrown around by Boards to lure coaches into their set-up.

The only problem is that there isn't much job security in such roles - here today, gone tomorrow.

 

[MenInG]

Former West Indies fast bowler Ottis Gibson has been appointed Bangladesh National Team Bowling Coach. The 50-year old Barbados-born Gibson has signed a two-year agreement with the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) which will go into 2022. Gibson will replace South African Charl Langeveldt who had resigned in December 2019.

Gibson had appeared for the West Indies in Tests and ODIs and had an accomplished first class and List A career spanning 17 years in which he took over 1000 wickets. Since his retirement as a player in 2007, he has held prominent coaching positions including the Head Coach’s role with the West Indies and South Africa and Bowling Coach of England. In the recently concluded Bangabandhu Bangladesh Premier League (BPL) 2020, Gibson was the Head Coach of Cumilla Warriors.

BCB CEO Nizam Uddin Chowdhury said Gibson’s inclusion will strengthen the coaching team: “He brings in tremendous experience and has coached or played all over the world. He has also had the opportunity to observe Bangladesh cricket from close. I am sure he will be a very valuable addition to the Bangladesh Team’s coaching group.”

Gibson’s assignment with the Bangladesh Team starts immediately as he will join the squad for the Tour of Pakistan 2020. The Bangladesh side is scheduled to depart for Lahore tomorrow evening for a three-match T20 International series. The team will then return to Pakistan in February and April to complete two Tests and an ODI.

 

[shamaan]

Becouse they hardly in pressure

 

[Rana]

So he will join the squad in Lahore?

So much for big names not wanting to tour Pakistan

 

[Kroll]

Since according to some Misbah is the best coach going around these days, won't be long before Bangla come in with a big money offer for him.

 

[MMHS]

Gibson’s resume is excellent, probably too good for a bowling coach, that too only for fast bowling; therefore he must have cracked a meaty deal, but I am not sure if it’s the best choice. Our bowlers are not physically comparable with the west-Indians and we simply can’t compete with “hit the deck” style fast bowling. Walsh was a failure though arguably he was equally a star name. They have appointed him for two years means, unless it ends on disaster, he will accompany team till 2023 WC with an year extension.

They have offered him for two years, which leaves enough space before WC, for a new man to take over after his contract ends ... just in case. I think, in last some years, the best n - medium fast, at most fast medium skilled pacer with good use of new ball. Once he retires and I am sure he’ll go for a coaching career, I would love to see Jimmy as our pace bowling coach.

Never the less, a top signing and good luck to him (& his mentees)

 

[Saj]

So he will join the squad in Lahore?

So much for big names not wanting to tour Pakistan

Yes he will.

Great signing by BCB.

 

[Shafi]

And we have Waqar who loves Bhatti, Rahat, Anwar Ali...Rubbish and serial failure as a coach.

 

[The Viper]

Bangladesh appoint Ottis Gibson as bowling coach

The former West Indies quick will begin the role immediately, joining the team for their T20I series in Pakistan, having signed a contract with the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) set to keep him in the role until 2022.

Gibson has previously held coaching positions with several other national teams. He has been head coach of West Indies and was bowling coach of England during two seperate spells, while most recently he was head coach of South Africa during the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup. He will now replace Charl Langeveldt in the role with Bangladesh, who recently left the position to fill the same role for his native South Africa.

The 50-year-old also has recent experience in the country, having been head coach of the Cumilla Warriors during the recently concluded Bangladesh Premier League.

"He brings in tremendous experience and has coached or played all over the world," said the BCB CEO Nizam Uddin Chowdhury in a press release. "He has also had the opportunity to observe Bangladesh cricket from close. I am sure he will be a very valuable addition to the Bangladesh Team’s coaching group."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1581716

 

[MenInG]

Fitness and conditioning trainer Mario Villavarayan parted ways with Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB), confirmed BCB CEO Nizam Uddin Chowdhury at Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium on Thursday.

Sri Lankan Mario had joined BCB in 2014. Since then he has been an integral part of Bangladesh coach staff.

“Mario asked our permission to join an Indian Premier League team during the event. But as per our policy, we cannot allow any member of our coaching staff in domestic leagues,” Nizam Uddin told the media.

After a contrast stance, BCB and Mario decided to part ways based on a mutual separation.

“As we are not to allow any member of our coaching staff to work in domestic leagues, Mario and BCB jointly decided to part ways,” Nizam Uddin further told the media.

However, Mario will stay in Bangladesh until the end of February. After that, he will join the Indian Premier League team Sunrisers Hyderabad.

Before pursuing his career in coaching, Mario was the First-class cricketer. He played 116 First-class and 58 List-A games. However, he was not good enough as a cricketer to get a chance for his national team.

http://www.unb.com.bd/category/Sports/mario-villavarayan-parts-ways-with-bcb/42826

 

[The Viper]

Bangar says no to Bangladesh coaching offer, cites personal and professional commitments

Former India batting coach Sanjay Bangar has decided against taking the Bangladesh Cricket Board’s offer to become its Test team’s consultant citing his personal and professional commitments.

Bangar was offered to coach Bangladesh batsmen in red-ball cricket eight weeks ago but he could not take up the offer as he signed a two-year contract with Star Sports in the interim.

“They offered me the position eight weeks ago. But in the interim, I finalised my contract with Star which gave me the opportunity to balance out my personal and professional commitments. However, I look forward to working with BCB in the future,” Bangar told PTI.

Former South Africa batsman Neil McKenzie is primarily working with the Bangladesh side for the shorter formats. Bangar was with the Indian team from 2014 to 2019 and was replaced by Vikram Rathour at the start of the home season in September. The West Indies tour, which took place after the World Cup, was his last assignment with the Indian team.

Bangar was the only one whose contract with the Indian team was not renewed with head coach Ravi Shastri, bowling coach Bharat Arun and fielding coach R Sridhar retaining their roles.

Bangar has been busy commentating on the game ever since he was replaced by Rathour. The 47-year-old played 12 Tests and 15 ODIs for India between 2001 and 2004.

“We have spoken with Bangar (for Test batting consultant) but nothing is finalised yet,” BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury told reporters in Dhaka earlier on Wednesday.

“We are negotiating with a few others as well. McKenzie is looking after the red-ball cricket despite being a white ball consultant and till we get a batting consultant for Test cricket we are expecting him to do the job (in red ball),” he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...commitments/story-sfalNVYbM2dYJCAlxy5krK.html

 

[Canistani Hero]

Money.

 

[CleverSir]

Two reasons.

1) Money. BCB know if they want someone from outside they have to pony up some extra cash and to their credit they aren't stingy about it.

2) Lower expectations. Like it or not, the expectations are low. Even if you fail to turn Bangladesh into a world beater it won't hurt your reputation. People will say oh its Bangladesh being Bangladesh and give you an out. However, if you manage to have some success, you'll be seen as a coaching genius. It is a win-win.

 

[Bigboii]

Two reasons.

1) Money. BCB know if they want someone from outside they have to pony up some extra cash and to their credit they aren't stingy about it.

2) Lower expectations. Like it or not, the expectations are low. Even if you fail to turn Bangladesh into a world beater it won't hurt your reputation. People will say oh its Bangladesh being Bangladesh and give you an out. However, if you manage to have some success, you'll be seen as a coaching genius. It is a win-win.

That Sri Lankan dude comes to mind he basically forced Bangladeshi curators to create crazy turners and Bangladesh started winning and everyone thought the coach was some kind of a genius and than later he was fired from his coaching job from Sri Lanka and threw a YK like tantrum which surely ended his coaching career.