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Shubman Gill is likely to be the talk of the town for many days to come due to his recent performances ad especially due to his fabulous double-hundred in the ODI series against NZ.

We in Pakistan can only look at his performances in awe and hope we have someone who can play the role he does.

But is there one batter in your view from the upcoming or current crop who could match him in terms of impact and also runs?
 
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Don't see a single Pakistani batsman capable of scoring a match winning big daddy score. They are all content with position saving 50's, 70's or a low scoring century and then getting out cheaply.
 
Don't see a single Pakistani batsman capable of scoring a match winning big daddy score. They are all content with position saving 50's, 70's or a low scoring century and then getting out cheaply.

I don't have a problem if all of them come together and get the team score up to a big number.
 
Don't see a single Pakistani batsman capable of scoring a match winning big daddy score. They are all content with position saving 50's, 70's or a low scoring century and then getting out cheaply.

Saim Ayub and Harris are talented, fearless batsmen
 
I will bow down to any Pakistani cricketer who has the courage to hit three sixes while approaching a double century.
 
Saim Ayub and Harris are talented, fearless batsmen

Is Harris the guy who opened against SA in WC 2022? He could be the Finn Allen of Pakistan, giving fast 50s n all. Not sure about his long innings credentials.
 
Haseebullah
Shafique
Hurraira
Bangalzai
Rohail

All are rubbish and overrated for white ball cricket prospects
 
Is Harris the guy who opened against SA in WC 2022? He could be the Finn Allen of Pakistan, giving fast 50s n all. Not sure about his long innings credentials.

I was responding to Savak who said they are all timid and content with small personal milestones

Saim and Harris are not. They are fearless. Saim is very impressive. I recon he will score big daddy hundreds once he gets set at international level
 
Haseebullah
Shafique
Hurraira
Bangalzai
Rohail

All are rubbish and overrated for white ball cricket prospects

Huraira is a top tier talent. He has topped QEA run chart twice in a row, also scoring at high SRs. He can change the DNA of Pakistan's batting in test cricket.
 
Don't see a single Pakistani batsman capable of scoring a match winning big daddy score. They are all content with position saving 50's, 70's or a low scoring century and then getting out cheaply.

Yes right, Fakhar has scored a double century in his career and scored 193 against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje in South Africa and almost single handedly chased 340+ had he not been run out.

Not to mention he has century against India in ICC tournament final.

Calm down.

Fakhar is still fastest to 1k odi runs, Gill fell short.
 
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Haseebullah
Shafique
Hurraira
Bangalzai
Rohail

All are rubbish and overrated for white ball cricket prospects

For the life of me cannot understand how Shafique is even considered a white-ball player.
 
For the life of me cannot understand how Shafique is even considered a white-ball player.

#sochnaBhiManaHai

Keep him far, far away from white ball cricket if you wish for Pakistan’s prosperity in ODI and T20 cricket. But we love to glorify these types of players!
 
Gill has a higher ceiling than Babar & 10 years down the line, Gill vs Babar won’t be a comparison.

If he is superior to Pakistan’s best batsman of the last 20 years, there is absolutely no point in comparing him to the upcoming young batsmen are not worthy of lacing his boots.

It is always futile to compare Indian batsmen with their Pakistani counterparts.
 
Yes right, Fakhar has scored a double century in his career and scored 193 against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje in South Africa and almost single handedly chased 340+ had he not been run out.

Not to mention he has century against India in ICC tournament final.

Calm down.

Fakhar is still fastest to 1k odi runs, Gill fell short.

Fakhar got a 5 match series vs Zimbabwe in those 18 in which he scored over 500 runs.
 
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Shubman averages 32 in Test after 13 games. Just 1 century.

He hasn't been too exceptional apart from this ODI 208 against a depleted Kiwi side.
 
Father got a 5 match series vs Zimbabwe in those 18 in which he scored over 500 runs.

So he should have not scored against Zimbabwe? Should we just discredit Gill's knock today as well because Southee, Boult and Sodhi weren't playing?
 
Yes right, Fakhar has scored a double century in his career and scored 193 against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje in South Africa and almost single handedly chased 340+ had he not been run out.

Not to mention he has century against India in ICC tournament final.

Calm down.

Fakhar is still fastest to 1k odi runs, Gill fell short.

That double hundred came against Zimbabwe and that 193 came in a losing cause. Fakhar has been a horribly inconsistent player for the most part where he scores in one game and then goes missing in the next 5-6 games. Teams have figured his weaknesses out.
 
Gill is a special talent with all range of shots and a classical mould player.

But to be successful in test cricket in testing conditions, he will have to work on his defense and front foot game. I think he is working on it so will take some time and accordingly improve. He definitely has the ingredients to be elite batter but his career progress will decide whether he becomes as good as Kane or Babar or he goes on to become as good as Tendulkar or Kohli.
 
That double hundred came against Zimbabwe and that 193 came in a losing cause. Fakhar has been a horribly inconsistent player for the most part where he scores in one game and then goes missing in the next 5-6 games. Teams have figured his weaknesses out.

And the excuse for century in icc tournament final? Is any current Indian player capable of playing such knock?
 
I will bow down to any Pakistani cricketer who has the courage to hit three sixes while approaching a double century.

Well he was hitting out due to only few balls left.. by the way he did reach 50 & 150 (didn't see his 100 lol) by hitting 6..
 
Gill has a higher ceiling than Babar & 10 years down the line, Gill vs Babar won’t be a comparison.

If he is superior to Pakistan’s best batsman of the last 20 years, there is absolutely no point in comparing him to the upcoming young batsmen are not worthy of lacing his boots.

It is always futile to compare Indian batsmen with their Pakistani counterparts.

Totally agree with you, pak fans are delusional..

Pakistan have produced one batsman in BABAR somewhat equal to the fab 4 in the world stage in this last 2 decades..

Pak batsmen have been regressed so much that they are happy with 40 and 50s..

Shadab who havent scored a 100 in any format is considered to be an allrounder..
 
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This NZ pace attack bar Ferguson was poor,and the boundaries very small,but well done fo Gill for applying himself and making most of the opportunity.
 
Saim Ayub is probably the best bet, averages in the mid-40s @ SR of +100 in List As, but ofc it's not international level and he could fail big time on the big stage as well, we don't know.

I also like Arafat Minhas (U19 player) but he'll probably aim to be more of a batting AR than a specialist bat so Gill isn't the comparison.
 
Gill has a higher ceiling than Babar & 10 years down the line, Gill vs Babar won’t be a comparison.

If he is superior to Pakistan’s best batsman of the last 20 years, there is absolutely no point in comparing him to the upcoming young batsmen are not worthy of lacing his boots.

It is always futile to compare Indian batsmen with their Pakistani counterparts.

Babar Azam cannot do what Shubman did. Ever. Gill's last 122 runs came in 69 balls. That kind of acceleration is beyond any Pakistani batsman's reach.
 
Babar Azam cannot do what Shubman did. Ever. Gill's last 122 runs came in 69 balls. That kind of acceleration is beyond any Pakistani batsman's reach.

Fakhar's last 111 runs came off 64 balls in his knock of 193 against South Africa in South Africa with Nortje, Rabada, Ngidi.

Similar acceleration against far better bowling unit with the pressure of chase on as well.
 
Saim Ayub is probably the best bet, averages in the mid-40s @ SR of +100 in List As, but ofc it's not international level and he could fail big time on the big stage as well, we don't know.

I also like Arafat Minhas (U19 player) but he'll probably aim to be more of a batting AR than a specialist bat so Gill isn't the comparison.

Has Saim Ayub scored many big hundreds in domestic cricket?
 
Gill is from 2018 under-19 batch. From 2018 onwards one batsman that caught the attention of many is Dewal Brevis. Tom Prest is another guy who was highly rated. Another one is highly impressive Yashasvi Jaiswal. From Paksitan perspective Rohail Nazir was rated. But he fizzled out. 2020 batch Pakistan best was Mohammad Haris. Even that was barely okay. 130 runs in 5 innings. Made an 81 against zimbabwe. 2022 forgettable under-19 batch for Pakistan.
 
Fakhar's last 111 runs came off 64 balls in his knock of 193 against South Africa in South Africa with Nortje, Rabada, Ngidi.

Similar acceleration against far better bowling unit with the pressure of chase on as well.

Yes Fakhar is probably the only one capable but he will do it once in 50 innings maybe. All Indian batsmen once they cross 80, their acceleration is insane. The point to note is that you need to accelerate while being able to conserve your wicket. Also you will not be able to point to any other innings from a Pakistani batsman off the top of your head but you will be able to rattle off many innings by Indian batsmen who have accelerated like that once they are set.

With regards to chase, I feel it's much more difficult to do this kind of acceleration batting first. Because when you are batting first, you have no idea what total you need to get. So you're also aware that if you lose you wicket, you could end up with a below par score. When you're chasing, you exactly know what's required. Taking nothing away from Bracewell's knock today, he had no pressure. He didn't have to set up a total nor did he have to worry about a collapse. He could hit freely without a care in the world. That is why Shubman's knock trumps Bracewell's easily today.
 
Yes Fakhar is probably the only one capable but he will do it once in 50 innings maybe. All Indian batsmen once they cross 80, their acceleration is insane. The point to note is that you need to accelerate while being able to conserve your wicket. Also you will not be able to point to any other innings from a Pakistani batsman off the top of your head but you will be able to rattle off many innings by Indian batsmen who have accelerated like that once they are set.

With regards to chase, I feel it's much more difficult to do this kind of acceleration batting first. Because when you are batting first, you have no idea what total you need to get. So you're also aware that if you lose you wicket, you could end up with a below par score. When you're chasing, you exactly know what's required. Taking nothing away from Bracewell's knock today, he had no pressure. He didn't have to set up a total nor did he have to worry about a collapse. He could hit freely without a care in the world. That is why Shubman's knock trumps Bracewell's easily today.

Kohli scored his last 84 in 34 balls in the last ODI. Regarding bracewell knock you will see more such knock during world cup under lights. David Miller under lights is a nightmare to bowl to. He can score 90 runs in the last 5 if needed.
 
Kohli scored his last 84 in 34 balls in the last ODI. Regarding bracewell knock you will see more such knock during world cup under lights. David Miller under lights is a nightmare to bowl to. He can score 90 runs in the last 5 if needed.

Not in a WC.

On topic. Gill is far superior to any Pakistan batsman.
 
The Indian cricket system breeds top class players especially batters.

They are coached well, not rushed into the system, play a lot of First-class cricket and by and large have a solid technique.

They are taught to prioritise red ball cricket and white ball cricket comes after red ball cricket. If you can bat properly against the red ball, then playing against the white ball becomes easier.
 
Not in a WC.

On topic. Gill is far superior to any Pakistan batsman.

Gill is a pedigree. Since under-19 Ian Bishop in particular kept mentioning generational cricketer which is true. Itt is not a fluke. One of the reason he is probably one of the top 5 short ball player in the world is he used to play 1500 short balls every day since the age of 9 on matting wickets. He has wide range of pull shots against short ball. Dedication, hardwork.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...aily-matting-wickets/articleshow/80397905.cms
 
Gill was extremely lucky today. It was a fluke. How many chances did he need to score a double hundred?
 
Lets not go overboard with todays performance. Gill has a glaring limitation. He is terrible against off spin. A prime candidate for LBW as he uses his pad as his first line of defense.
 
Lets not go overboard with todays performance. Gill has a glaring limitation. He is terrible against off spin. A prime candidate for LBW as he uses his pad as his first line of defense.

He is improving each time I see him bat

- when he first came , he was all backfoot cuts
- now he is playing lot on front foot .
- the competition from ishan and sky is helping him to stay motivated and improve
- he has better spin technique than Kohli . He has got slightly lesser backfoot game than sharma but stil is a fine player . Sharma took several years to get into the test team . Gill both in tests and odi .

With p Shaw , s khan , y dhull up his throat besides Rituraj and some late bloomers like sky - he is going to keep on getting better .
 
Yes right, Fakhar has scored a double century in his career and scored 193 against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje in South Africa and almost single handedly chased 340+ had he not been run out.

Not to mention he has century against India in ICC tournament final.

Calm down.

Fakhar is still fastest to 1k odi runs, Gill fell short.

Agree, Fakhar was phenomenal at the beginning of his career and has had a good ODI career overall. He is getting over scritnuzed on this thread by various posters.
 
Agree, Fakhar was phenomenal at the beginning of his career and has had a good ODI career overall. He is getting over scritnuzed on this thread by various posters.

Agree. Fkhar is one of the top ODI openers of this era. Avg 45+ with s/r close to 93 is no joke.
 
He is improving each time I see him bat

- when he first came , he was all backfoot cuts
- now he is playing lot on front foot .
- the competition from ishan and sky is helping him to stay motivated and improve
- he has better spin technique than Kohli . He has got slightly lesser backfoot game than sharma but stil is a fine player . Sharma took several years to get into the test team . Gill both in tests and odi .

With p Shaw , s khan , y dhull up his throat besides Rituraj and some late bloomers like sky - he is going to keep on getting better .

Gill is predominantly a backfoot player like Joe Root. That is where he is comfortable. He would venture out only when he had intention to attack. In Tests he is too consumed with defending (probably on Rahul Dravid's tuk tuk advice). He is a stroke player. That is what he should do. Not defensive plodder.
 
On another level. With guys like Ishan and Gill in contention, none of our current batsmen would’ve made it into the Indian XI if they were from India.

As said, they have multiple gears they can tap into. Our batsmen have 1-2 max. A) go hard at everything B) consume dot balls to no end. Babar is the only one who can strike a balance but even then he cannot accelerate the way Ishan, Gill, Kohli can.

This is a proper “factory”. We claim to be a fast bowling factory, yet since the turn of the century we have gone through plenty of phases where we lack an arsenal of genuine world class pacers aside from one or two. Since 2003 we have Asif, Amir, Shaheen, and maybe Naseem in the future. 2 of those are unfulfilled promise, one is finding his feet still. I’ll give Gul a shout-out for being the best ever in t20s so far.

Hardly a fast bowling factory.

India is a batting factory though. Whenever the current world class batsmen age and retire, someone equally as good or better is ready to take the reigns. Can we say we’ve properly replaced and moved on from Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Asif? No.
 
Yes right, Fakhar has scored a double century in his career and scored 193 against Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje in South Africa and almost single handedly chased 340+ had he not been run out.

Not to mention he has century against India in ICC tournament final.

Calm down.

Fakhar is still fastest to 1k odi runs, Gill fell short.

Scoring against Zimbabwe to become fastest 1 k runs please have some mind
 
The Indian cricket system breeds top class players especially batters.

They are coached well, not rushed into the system, play a lot of First-class cricket and by and large have a solid technique.

They are taught to prioritise red ball cricket and white ball cricket comes after red ball cricket. If you can bat properly against the red ball, then playing against the white ball becomes easier.

This is also a reason we are not a good T20 unit.. only benefit is that very few of our batsmen fizzle out or get found out.
 
Scoring against Zimbabwe to become fastest 1 k runs please have some mind

Have some mind? Where were Boult, Southee and Sodhi today? They love picking wickets against India, in ICC tournaments any way in last 5-7 years. Was this bowling attack today at par or less than Zimbabwe?

Fakhar shouldn't have scored against Zimbabwe? Or Gill shouldn't have scored a double ton today? What's your point?
 
This is also a reason we are not a good T20 unit.. only benefit is that very few of our batsmen fizzle out or get found out.

Nah. England follow the same principle of red ball first with good fundamentals and foundations. Truth is y’all are carrying some past it passengers in t20s that you need to let go of.
 
Pakistan play with a fear of failure. India are fearless hence they have now got five players who've reached 200 when at one point Anwar's 199* was a record.

A perfect example of the stagnation and regression of Pakistani cricket.

India started what England have under McCullum and Stokes
 
Have some mind? Where were Boult, Southee and Sodhi today? They love picking wickets against India, in ICC tournaments any way in last 5-7 years. Was this bowling attack today at par or less than Zimbabwe?

Fakhar shouldn't have scored against Zimbabwe? Or Gill shouldn't have scored a double ton today? What's your point?

with due respect India misses southee more. He has his worst record against India. 6.15 RPO. Went for 73 last year in 10 overs at Auckland Then 85 last time we toured there.
 
For all the posters saying Fakhar 1k runs came off zimbabwe

Fakhar 1st odi - 31 against South Africa - Champions Trophy

2nd ODI - 50 against Srilanka in a virtual knock out in Champions Trophy.

3rd ODI - 57 against England in
Semi Final Champions Trophy while chasing 211

4th ODI - 114 against India in Final of Champions Trophy 2017, which helped Pakistan post Big Daddy 330+, which was impossible to get even for the players that are rated to the moon on this forum. It was the biggest Indo/Pak clash in history after 2007 world T20 final.

252 winning runs in his first 4 ODIs alone, So what he got to play Zimbabwe right after? Did he schedule that series?or he shouldn't have scored in that series and wait till next ICC tournament shows up, so he can only add the icc tournament runs in his first 1k runs?
 
Not having a batsman of Gill’s caliber is not a surprise as Gill is a special talent but surprising that bar Shaheen, Pakistan don’t have any long format (tests and odi) fast bowlers. Siraj for me is the bigger win from the last year. Naseem is getting better in ODIs but a long way to go in tests to come close to Siraj.
 
Most Pakistani batters goal - play a few seasons in the PSL

Most Indian batters goal - play a lot of Test cricket for their nation
 
For all the posters saying Fakhar 1k runs came off zimbabwe

Fakhar 1st odi - 31 against South Africa - Champions Trophy

2nd ODI - 50 against Srilanka in a virtual knock out in Champions Trophy.

3rd ODI - 57 against England in
Semi Final Champions Trophy while chasing 211

4th ODI - 114 against India in Final of Champions Trophy 2017, which helped Pakistan post Big Daddy 330+, which was impossible to get even for the players that are rated to the moon on this forum. It was the biggest Indo/Pak clash in history after 2007 world T20 final.

252 winning runs in his first 4 ODIs alone, So what he got to play Zimbabwe right after? Did he schedule that series?or he shouldn't have scored in that series and wait till next ICC tournament shows up, so he can only add the icc tournament runs in his first 1k runs?

Fakhar Zaman is a 32 year old guy who has been around forever. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t he seem to be struggling with injuries and form on and off these days ?


Gill is a 23 year old rising star who is just making a mark

What exactly are you trying to prove here?
 
Pakistan play with a fear of failure. India are fearless hence they have now got five players who've reached 200 when at one point Anwar's 199* was a record.

A perfect example of the stagnation and regression of Pakistani cricket.

India started what England have under McCullum and Stokes

194..I remember it because it happened in my home city and I hated Dravid back then due to our ODI losses due to his selfish batting and happened in this game as well.
 
194..I remember it because it happened in my home city and I hated Dravid back then due to our ODI losses due to his selfish batting and happened in this game as well.

More than selfish, limited batting. He was a support cast at best in ODIs.
 
Fakhar Zaman is a 32 year old guy who has been around forever. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t he seem to be struggling with injuries and form on and off these days ?


Gill is a 23 year old rising star who is just making a mark

What exactly are you trying to prove here?

Nothing to do with Gill. Just throwing in stats for some posters here who think Fakhar's fastest to 1k came off zimbabwe. Champions trophy 17 was just a side show and his runs there aren't included in the fastest to 1k, just the runs against Zimbabwe count.
 
That double hundred came against Zimbabwe and that 193 came in a losing cause. Fakhar has been a horribly inconsistent player for the most part where he scores in one game and then goes missing in the next 5-6 games. Teams have figured his weaknesses out.

If Fakhar was so horribly inconsistent he won’t be averaging 45 plus and in the top 10 ICC rankings .

He has 2 hundreds in his last 6 games and a 50.
Horribly inconsistent.
 
This will also not be his last 180+ score in ODI cricket

He will rack em up more often than not whenever he crosses 100 by the 30th over mark
 
And the excuse for century in icc tournament final? Is any current Indian player capable of playing such knock?

Gambhir's 97 and Mahendra Singh Dhoni's unbeaten 91 run match winning innings in the finals of the 2011 World Cup
 
This will also not be his last 180+ score in ODI cricket

He will rack em up more often than not whenever he crosses 100 by the 30th over mark
Its astonishing how we kept preferring Dhawan over him for close to an year!

Seniority culture will never go from subcon cricket.
 
He asked about current Indian players.

CT happened almost 6 years back. We don't even reach final these days. Gill can make 100s, 200s in LOIs. But his 91 at the Gabba will always be treasured more for his sheer audacious stroke play against Starc that helped us believe we can win the match.
 
CT happened almost 6 years back. We don't even reach final these days. Gill can make 100s, 200s in LOIs. But his 91 at the Gabba will always be treasured more for his sheer audacious stroke play against Starc that helped us believe we can win the match.
I know about Gill's innings at Gabba.

However, till the time any Indian bat hits a ton in a world trophy final, it is what it is. Zaman buried us that day. It was him who won the ICCCT that day.

Bumrah and his knack of choking in knockouts.
 
This is also a reason we are not a good T20 unit.. only benefit is that very few of our batsmen fizzle out or get found out.

I can actually live with that i.e backing players with ample first class experience rather than roping in hacks to make our T20 team look good. Give me a Gill, Jaiswal, Shaw, Yash Dhull anyday over a Venky Iyer, Ishan Kishan, Rituraj Gaikwad, Tripathy etc.

I am fine as long as our Test and ODI teams are good. Don't care much about international T20s including T20 WCs.
 
Read my post again, i wrote "current" players, not retired players.

You don't know whether they can or can't since INdia hasn't reached multi national like world cup finals in a while. CT is not being played anymore. I certainly one of the INdian young batsman to come through.
 
He is a special talent. He was the one who laid the foundation for India's Gabba test win but he doesn't have a PR team to hype his knock here. :ab :inti
 
India has reached 4 under-19 finals in a row and won 2 of them. India may not reap the benefits immediately. But in the next few years Jaiswal is going to be the next major thing.
 
Seems to be a pipeline of high quality cricketers coming through the system.

Due to a solid first class system, priority being first class cricket and good coaching.
 
Seems to be a pipeline of high quality cricketers coming through the system.

Due to a solid first class system, priority being first class cricket and good coaching.

Babar Azam is from the system. Shaheen Shah Afrid is from Shubman Gill's batch. Rohail Nazir was supposed to be next big thing. He didn't go anywhere much like India's wonder kid Unmukt chand

From 2012 batch well known guys like Babar, Travis Head, Dekock have made it big.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...most_runs_career.html?id=6767;type=tournament
 
Don't see a single Pakistani batsman capable of scoring a match winning big daddy score. They are all content with position saving 50's, 70's or a low scoring century and then getting out cheaply.

Gill is no doubt an excellent find and a natural replacement for Dhawan/Kohli in the years to come.

I would rather have them play matches inning knocks consistently rather than scoring 200 and then failing in the next 10 games.

Gill vs Shaheen will remind us of the 2018 U19 WC
 
I think Saim can produce such Innings like that in future.
Fakhar is the only who can play like that in the current xi.
 
For the life of me cannot understand how Shafique is even considered a white-ball player.

I don’t understand why not?

Shafique has played a grand total of one ODI and one T20. Surely deserves more chances to prove himself in the shorter formats correct?
 
I don’t understand why not?

Shafique has played a grand total of one ODI and one T20. Surely deserves more chances to prove himself in the shorter formats correct?

Of course I am no expert but his style of play is not suited for white ball cricket.
 
Probably Saim Ayub at some point, once he gets his game in order.
 
No comparison. It's a thread which is suitable just to Pakistani batters.

How can you compare Australia to Uganda?
 
There is no batting prospect like Shubman Gill in Pakistan. Not even close.

I remember Babar Azam coming up as a prospect at 15 and he was in that realm.
 
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