How good or bad really is the Pakistan Test team?

[Saj]

Beaten comfortably 2-0 in New Zealand.

A 2-0 victory over South Africa at home.

And now a 2-0 win over one of the worst Test teams you will ever see.

It's difficult to analyse the performance of a team in transition, but how good or bad do you think they are?

What are the positives and negatives of the current Test team?

What are the things that are going well and what areas are you concerned about and that need improvement?

 

[Varun]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

 

[Amjid Javed]

pakistan will be competative against most sides at home.

away from home they are minnows. Also playing 2 rubbish openers as part of a 5 man batting line up will cost us home test series defeats against better teams as our captain, coach and selectors are just ignorant and blind.

 

[Amjid Javed]

positives

Fawad Alam
Rizwan
nauman
Hasan Ali

negatives
2 mediocre openers
picking just 5 front line batsmen with 2 awful openers
back up seamers / 5th bowling option needs to improve massively.

 

[Mohsin Kazmi]

Long way to go before we become a top side in test cricket. Our pacers are young and still learning their trait and we still haven't found a decent test opener since Saeed Anwar. Our batsmen still struggle against pace and bounce so would remain competitive in Asia/West indies but continue struggling in SENA.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't think we have bad Test side at all. It's not great, the bench-strength is woefully weak and the openers are basically sitting ducks on any sporting wicket. But I think a No.5 ranking is fair.

With some fine-tuning I think this side is capable of much more. Because Hasan Ali, Shaheen, Yasir Shah, Rizwan, Babar, Fawad and Azhar are all match-winners and excellent test cricketers. Just need to select them consistently and replace some of the mediocre members of the squad.

 

[AnonKB]

As the another poster said we’re a middling team. A tier below India/Eng/NZ/Aus but a tier above the others. At home however we’d beat everyone except for India.

 

[Farabi]

I don't think we have bad Test side at all. It's not great, the bench-strength is woefully weak and the openers are basically sitting ducks on any sporting wicket. But I think a No.5 ranking is fair.

With some fine-tuning I think this side is capable of much more. Because Hasan Ali, Shaheen, Yasir Shah, Rizwan, Babar, Fawad and Azhar are all match-winners and excellent test cricketers. Just need to select them consistently and replace some of the mediocre members of the squad.

Unlike most posters here, I don’t think Pak’s batting is the problem in red ball. Bowling is the bigger problem.

Positives in last 12 months
1. Middle order of Azhar, Babar, Fawad and Rizwan looks solid. Should not tinker, just provide continuity and build back-ups.
2. Emergence of Faheem and Nouman’s batting is awesome! Gives extra cushion
3. Abid Ali and Imran B got runs under the belt. Most teams are struggling to find openers including Aus, Eng, NZ and India so we have to be lenient with openers.
4. Hassan Ali’s form with ball
5. continued development of Shaheen

Weaknesses/Opportunities:
1. Taking 20 wickets against top teams!! We Need 2 more fast bowlers of at least the same quality as Hassan and Shaheen. We need to be able to rotate fast bowlers and have a competition brewing. Waqas M? Maybe.
2. Need a spinner who can be effective in SENA like Lyon, Ashwin. Yasir hasn’t done that well in SENA. Remains to be seen for Nauman
3. Faheem’s wicket taking
4. Abid and Imran need to continue improving
5. All players have lean patches so I’m not gonna react to few dismissals. But Time for Babar to take more responsibility and take his red ball game to another level.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I think overall Pak have surprisingly been very competitive (despite all the constraints) in all conditions except Aus and NZ, where they get completely exposed against the bounce. Pak usually ends up playing reasonably competitive cricket whenever they are in England.

I think in Aus and NZ our bowlers don’t really know how to bowl and yea the batsmen just get brutally exposed.

 

[street cricketer]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

Would add SA as a mid tier team. As bad as SA have been lately, they aren't SL, Bangladesh level bad.

 

[Civil]

We are a solid 5th. Also in with a shout to upset the 4 top sides, if played in Pakistan (when/if they ever come).

Considering what we have in our squad right now, that actually isn't that bad a position to be in.

 

[Farabi]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

At this minute, the no1 thing separating Pak vs top-tier teams are the number of home test matches Pak . I don’t think Eng, Aus or NZ can beat Pak in Pak.
India also hasn’t won away except Aus.
Unfortunately, Pak doesn’t have that “luxury” of playing these top 4 teams at home which hurts the team’s reputation, ranking and team development.
Only India can beat Pakistan in Pakistan but it won’t be as easy as it has been vs other sides. India’s formula of rank turner and Jadeja/Axar can back fire on them.

 

[Line and Length]

It's hard to tell how much worse Pakistan is than England, for example, until England tours Pakistan. Sure, Pakistan don't have nearly as many quality players as England does - but this England side gets beat on away tours just as regularly as Pakistan does. Sure, they win comfortably at home, but Pakistan could probably beat them just as easily at home as well.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistan has the resources to beat teams like NZ, England, India and Aus away from home, but the only thing that’s stopping them is the current team management and the chief selector.

 

[gazza619]

With every series we are finding decent players which will defo help us from being a number 5 test team to be a number 4 test team.

For example Nauman Ali who can be a lighter version of R Jadeja has improved our options.

 

[IMMY69]

We'll struggle to beat the Aussies on their home patch.
Everyone else is there for the taking.

England = overrated
India = will win games owing to their large population which brings in the moola
New Zealand = overrated
Australia = pathetic in Asia

 

[NauV]

Great question Saj . . Problem as ever is our lack of clarity of what our best team is and who is our best player in what position . .

There is enough quality in the side to be a formidable team . .

Babar
Rizwan
Hasan
Shaheen
Yasir (everywhere except SENA)

are top notch . .

Problem is opening as always . . Abid will never be successful outside absolute flat tracks . . Imran Butt is too new but from what I have seen of him, he has a lot of work to do (but damn, he is a gun fielder) . .
Azhar Ali is done outside of flat tracks too . . his record abroad speaks for itself .. a couple of high scores are aberrations . . and as is typical, we haven't groomed anyone . . I bet they're going to confuse to hell out of Saud Shakeel too . .

Who is our best spinner? Who plays where, no idea . .

Who is our 3rd pacer behind Shaheen and Hassan . . . Tabish is 36 . . Abbas? Any of the young brigade? Hasnain/Naseem/Haris, etc.? No clue . .

So in short, there is enough to work around but many holes to plug . . and a think tank/selection committee that is confused as hell with no direction of how to balance the team . .

 

[Zaz]

Id say 4-5 Mid ranked

Better than WI Sri Lanka Bangladesh and Zimbabwe
On par with South Africa and England
Worse than Australia Nz and India

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Id say 4-5 Mid ranked

Better than WI Sri Lanka Bangladesh and Zimbabwe
On par with South Africa and England
Worse than Australia Nz and India

We’ll spank South Africa on their home turf I reckon.

 

[indianpanacea]

Would like Azhar Ali to open and play Asad shafiq in middle order..
Azhar Ali
Abid Ali
Babar
Asad shafiq
Fawad
Rizwan
Hassan Ali
Nauman
Yasir Shah
Afridi
Haris rauf

 

[hitthestump]

Pakistan are the definition of 'horses for courses'. In the right conditions (i.e. home) they are very tough to beat thanks to having good spinners and a batting line up which is very good at maximising their advantage on low, dead pitches.

The opposite is true everywhere else where they will get absolutely humiliated due to having a poor pace attack and batsmen who can't fight in alien conditions.

Pakistan can improve their outcomes abroad if Shaheen gets considerably better and Hassan can hold his form. But the batting will always struggle and there is nobody new to come in from domestics who can change that.

 

[Justcrazy]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

This is exact and to the point answer , I think we all will agree with this.

 

[moghul]

They are slightly above, BD, Afghanistan , Ireland and Zibabwe, even SL and SA are better.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

We'll struggle to beat the Aussies on their home patch.
Everyone else is there for the taking.

England = overrated
India = will win games owing to their large population which brings in the moola
New Zealand = overrated
Australia = pathetic in Asia

How exactly?
And if that was the case, the Windies who probably have the least population of all TC playing nations should have never won anything at all in the 70's to 90's when they dominated.
How about giving credit to the talent and the system that creates talent, nurtures it and maximizes it?
And whilst at it, how about giving some credit to a mentality and psyche that is creative, encourages and supports innovation, rewards dedication, sheer hard work, sincerity and most importantly the money earned honestly and not by kisi or ka haq marker which is used to further cricket in India?

 

[daytrader]

Getting better and better. Right now we're mid tier but with the current management we're on the right track to be top 3

 

[PakPremi]

Pakistan is well on its way to be top 4, just need to find right third seamer, there are plenty of options albeit all are inexperienced, and also need to decide if openers will develop to be reliable in alien conditions. Azhar needs to make way for youngster like Saud, Kamran G, or Usman S. Rest is fine.

 

[PakPremi]

They are slightly above, BD, Afghanistan , Ireland and Zibabwe, even SL and SA are better.

You joking Pakistan are much better than SL and atleast quite a bit better than full strength SA.

 

[Cyclotron]

At this minute, the no1 thing separating Pak vs top-tier teams are the number of home test matches Pak . I don’t think Eng, Aus or NZ can beat Pak in Pak.
India also hasn’t won away except Aus.
Unfortunately, Pak doesn’t have that “luxury” of playing these top 4 teams at home which hurts the team’s reputation, ranking and team development.
Only India can beat Pakistan in Pakistan but it won’t be as easy as it has been vs other sides. India’s formula of rank turner and Jadeja/Axar can back fire on them.

It has backfired us many times.2 I remember are Vs England in 2012,and Vs Australia at our home in Pune test.

 

[street cricketer]

Pakistan has the resources to beat teams like NZ, England, India and Aus away from home, but the only thing that’s stopping them is the current team management and the chief selector.

Really hope this is satire lol..

 

[street cricketer]

At this minute, the no1 thing separating Pak vs top-tier teams are the number of home test matches Pak . I don’t think Eng, Aus or NZ can beat Pak in Pak.
India also hasn’t won away except Aus.
Unfortunately, Pak doesn’t have that “luxury” of playing these top 4 teams at home which hurts the team’s reputation, ranking and team development.
Only India can beat Pakistan in Pakistan but it won’t be as easy as it has been vs other sides. India’s formula of rank turner and Jadeja/Axar can back fire on them.

India wouldn't prepare rank turners against asian teams. They beat SL away on their own patch, and it wasn't on rank turners.

 

[Cyclotron]

At this minute, the no1 thing separating Pak vs top-tier teams are the number of home test matches Pak . I don’t think Eng, Aus or NZ can beat Pak in Pak.
India also hasn’t won away except Aus.
Unfortunately, Pak doesn’t have that “luxury” of playing these top 4 teams at home which hurts the team’s reputation, ranking and team development.
Only India can beat Pakistan in Pakistan but it won’t be as easy as it has been vs other sides. India’s formula of rank turner and Jadeja/Axar can back fire on them.

It has backfired us many times.2 I remember are Vs England in 2012,and Vs Australia at our home in Pune test.

 

[TabishNator]

At home, this Pakistan team beats pretty much everyone except India.

 

[gazza619]

Most fans know we are a number 5 test / ODI team at best, and yet there is an absolute outcry when we loose to one of the Big 4!!

We are called a joker of a team by our so called fans and which is beyond stupid.

 

[zacattakk]

No conclusions can be drawn from this series. These were just practice games against a club level batting and bowling attack.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

This is international cricket in a nutshell these past 6 years. Pakistan is the best of the bottom 6 I would say but there's a huge disconnect between the top 4 and them.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Really hope this is satire lol..

Beating England is probably the closest they can get if they tweak their team a little but that would also be in an extraordinary set of circumstances.

 

[Energy]

If this was limited to tests, you'd still understand the logic. Pakistan isn't a big three test team, and frankly speaking does not have much viewership too so if the experienced guys are feeling comfortable in their roles and delivering here and there it does not hurt too much.

The problem will creep in when these blokes start to make their way into the limited overs teams based on their test performances. This is not uncommon in Pakistan circuit. Misbah and Wasim need to ensure that our limited overs team is kept at the right fitness levels, current form and players who have something to offer for a long career.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

They are a mid tier side and are rightly ranked 5 in tests. This is certainly an improvement as Pakistan have been ranked 6,7,8 in the last 2-3 years and the only way is up

 

[TabishNator]

Really hope this is satire lol..

Doubt we would beat Aus or Ind but beating Eng or NZ isn't something that's out of the realm of possibility.

 

[jeetu]

At present Pakistan seems below Australia , England , India and New Zealand. But its clearly above other teams.

 

[Abdurmirr]

I think Pakistan's recent performances against two well below par teams has reignited PCT fans optimism.

Let's look at our performances over the last 2 years in detail.

Tour to Australia: 2-0, lost both games by an innings, conceded 550+ twice, were consistently in positions of 90/6 and really Yasir Shah's fluke batting performance saved us from our greatest humiliation in test history, took only 13 wickets in the whole series

Home games against Sri Lanka: Drew the first one and won the second game very comprehensively however I think people forget that in that test we were trailing by 80 odd in our second innings and if it wasn't for the pitch becoming an absolute road we would have more than likely lost to a weak Sri Lankan team at home

Home game against Bangladesh: Won quite easily to the same team that lost a home series against Afghanistan and the West Indies

Away tour of England: Lost the first test after having collapsing in the second innings and failing to get the wicket of an out of form Butler and Woakes. Should have lost the 3rd test but rain came to save the day. Considering the fact that even the West Indies one a game and England has been Pakistan's favourite place to tour, i think that is indicative of a poor team

Tour of New Zealand: Demolished in both games, nothing more to say

Home games of South Africa: Won the series 2-0, however let's look at that series more carefully. We were consistently put into positions of 30/4 and if not for guys like Fawad,Rizwan and Faheem, we would have been dismissed for scores below 200. Also South Africa many teams while batting through the series where in command with scorecard off 100/1, however their ineptitude and lack of focus would result in collapses. giving Pakistan the supper hand. I think the series win can be attributed more to South Africa's lack of planning, focus and drive rather than being outclassed by a superior Pakistan

Tour to Zimbabwe: I don't understand why people are parading a 2-0 win against a minnow team

By looking at Pakistan's performances it is safe to say that we are definitely a mid-bottom tier team that lacks any real players of quality or grit (exception of Rizwan and maybe Babar). Our bowling is terrible and has been exposed against top teams. We lack any wicket takers and tend to only get on top of opposition which lacks no structure of plan to their approach.

Our batting is just as rubbish and like our bowling is saved by fluke innings from tail enders.

In conclusion Pakistan is probably the 6th best team in the world currently, however if teams such as Sri Lanka and West Indies get their act together i can definitely see them surpassing Pakistan

 

[Ahmed216]

Its an average side. But few players whom i expect to get better the more they play and around whom this side can be built are Hassan Shaheen Babar Faheem Rizwan

 

[Shafi]

If we play 5 matches test with NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng, in 20 matches we will loose 19 (1 against England/NZ) anywhere home or away.

With S Africa full team we will loose 4-1 for sure in S Africa or win 3-2 in Home.

We will win Against BD (4-1), SL (4-1) WI (3-2) and Afghanistan (4-1) in overseas or Loose 2 matches out of 20 in home condition.

 

[Shafi]

At present Pakistan seems below Australia , England , India and New Zealand. But its clearly above other teams.

Not against S Africa main team in S Africa.

 

[Hasan123]

An average team who has 3/4 players who will need replacing in a year or so.

 

[IAJ]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

Sort of agree, but the gap below is much smaller than the opposite.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

It's a good team but need to play bigger teams more consistently, a 1 match test was enough against Zimbabwe, should've played WI at home when they are free.

 

[Farabi]

Would like Azhar Ali to open and play Asad shafiq in middle order..
Azhar Ali
Abid Ali
Babar
Asad shafiq
Fawad
Rizwan
Hassan Ali
Nauman
Yasir Shah
Afridi
Haris rauf

For SENA

Abid Ali
Imran Butt
Azhar Ali
Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Faheem
Nauman
Hassan Ali
Waqas.M
Afridi

Will replace Waqas for Yasir in Asia.

 

[moghul]

Mani is happy with Pakistan team's winning streak. Why not , lets keep the winning streak going , arrange some more series against teams like BD, Ireland, Nepal and Fiji ( if available ) . Make sure we don't play against teams like NZL, India, England and Australia any time soon.

 

[Farabi]

It has backfired us many times.2 I remember are Vs England in 2012,and Vs Australia at our home in Pune test.

Yup! India is a stronger side vs Pakistan in SENA conditions than in non-SENA conditions.
Likes of Azhar, Fawad, Abid, and Rizwan LOVE playing spin and will have their eyes lit up when they will see 3 spinners walk into the park. Babar is getting there but currently he is stronger vs pace than spin for sure. Yasir Shah and Nauman are no Dom Mess and Santner, they know how to ball in Asia and can surprise India on turners.

 

[Farabi]

Mani is happy with Pakistan team's winning streak. Why not , lets keep the winning streak going , arrange some more series against teams like BD, Ireland, Nepal and Fiji ( if available ) . Make sure we don't play against teams like NZL, India, England and Australia any time soon.

Well, why don't you speak to Aus, NZ, India and England and request them to send their teams to Pakistan? We would love that lol
Current top teams - barring India - have hardly ever won test matches in Pakistan and would be drubbed just as badly as Pakistan got drubbed when it visited them. Do you forget what happened to Ashes winning number 1 side England when it visited UAE?
I am not sure if you know how the ICC rankings work - their is no extra reward for away wins.
Like India does, if Pakistan was getting 5 match test series vs Eng, NZ and Aus at home, Pakistan would get a pretty easy opportunity to win lots of test matches against top sides and it would easily be ranked higher than 5th.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Pakistan has a solid foundation with Babar, Fawad and Rizwan. Faheem has been hit & miss whereas Azhar is past his sell-by-date specially with Saud Shakeel waiting in the wings. Hassan Ali and Shaheen Afridi have done well, same for Nauman Ali who seems to be capable of delivering with both ball and bat.

I still have question marks of Sajid Khan, whether he's good enough but Yasir Shah isn't getting younger and with Nauman Ali around, Pakistan needs to look to alternative young spinners. I personally think Zafar Gohar should have been given a longer run in the team but... wasn't and with Nauman around, he has a difficult job of convincing the selector and coach for selection.

The openers is still a problem, I am yet to be convinced with Imran Butt and with Abid Ali getting a double century, seems we'll have to deal with these two for quite a while unfortunately. Pakistan desperately need some solid openers to develop either at NHPC or the upcoming domestic cricket schedule which is still some time away.

 

[Markhor]

This summer will be a good litmus test. Bar Zimbabwe, have we won an away Test series since Misbah and Younis retired ?

 

[Farabi]

This summer will be a good litmus test. Bar Zimbabwe, have we won an away Test series since Misbah and Younis retired ?

I think its a pretty good litmus test, but who is winning away these days? Most teams are bullying at home to climb rankings, with Pakistan notably missing out from that luxury.

 

[Last Monetarist]

This summer will be a good litmus test. Bar Zimbabwe, have we won an away Test series since Misbah and Younis retired ?

Nope.

England 2018: drew 1-1
South Africa 2018/19: Lost 3-0
Australia 2019/20: Lost 2-0
England 2020: Lost 1-0
New Zealand 2020/21: Lost 2-0

 

[Farabi]

Here is record for India:

Pataudi Trophy (India in England) 2018: lost 4-1 (5)
New Zealand 2020/21: Lost 2-0
South Africa 2018/19: Lost 3-0
Australia 2020/21: Won 3-1

 

[Last Monetarist]

Here is record for India:

Pataudi Trophy (India in England) 2018: lost 4-1 (5)
New Zealand 2020/21: Lost 2-0
South Africa 2018/19: Lost 3-0
Australia 2020/21: Won 3-1

Needs some slight modifications.

Sri Lanka 2017: Won 3-0
South Africa 2017:18: Lost 2-1
England 2018: Lost 4-1
Australia: 2018/19: Won 2-1
New Zealand: 2019/20: Lost 2-0
Australia 2020/21: Won 2-1

 

[Farabi]

Needs some slight modifications.

Sri Lanka 2017: Won 3-0
South Africa 2017:18: Lost 2-1
England 2018: Lost 4-1
Australia: 2018/19: Won 2-1
New Zealand: 2019/20: Lost 2-0
Australia 2020/21: Won 2-1

Thanks. Series vs struggling Sri lanka helps that away record a bit. India has done well in Aus but struggled in Eng, NZ and SA.

 

[Mamoon]

A deeply mediocre team with no world class batsmen and no world class fast bowlers. Pakistan’s only genuine world class Test cricketer is Yasir Shah, and he is not among the top 3 Test spinners in the world and he is on his last legs.

Rizwan has potential but he needs to keep this up for 2-3 more years.

Overall, Pakistan is the poster boy of mediocrity and is nowhere close to being ranked in the top 4.

 

[Amjid Javed]

until we get a decent opening batting pair, also a decent 3rd and 4th seam bowling options we will remain 5th -7th range rank side. once we get stability in those areas we can start to be competative against best sides.

 

[Farabi]

until we get a decent opening batting pair, also a decent 3rd and 4th seam bowling options we will remain 5th -7th range rank side. once we get stability in those areas we can start to be competative against best sides.

I would rephrase. Pak need solid openers and 3rd/4th seaming options to win in SENA.
Pakistan can climb the ranking even with these weaknesses as long as it gets test series in Pak against higher ranked sides like NZ, India, Aus and Eng. In Pak, the same openers will not be a liability and Pak can field a second spinners to shore up the lack of a quality 3rd seamer.
the openers for top 8 average 30 since 2016 and most teams today are struggling to find reliable openers.
Warner doesn’t have a partner and himself is weak outsid Aus. Eng has none. Latham doesn’t have a partner. Gill is new and still establishing himself while Rohit is good but susceptible in SENA.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would rephrase. Pak need solid openers and 3rd/4th seaming options to win in SENA.
Pakistan can climb the ranking even with these weaknesses as long as it gets test series in Pak against higher ranked sides like NZ, India, Aus and Eng. In Pak, the same openers will not be a liability and Pak can field a second spinners to shore up the lack of a quality 3rd seamer.
the openers for top 8 average 30 since 2016 and most teams today are struggling to find reliable openers.
Warner doesn’t have a partner and himself is weak outsid Aus. Eng has none. Latham doesn’t have a partner. Gill is new and still establishing himself while Rohit is good but susceptible in SENA.

Even in pakistan conditions rubbish openers like Abid and butt will be exposed against decent sides. it hsppened in SA series and if we played england, NZ or Aus at home it would be exposed aswell. we need a good opening pair at home just as much as we do away from home.

 

[Farabi]

Even in pakistan conditions rubbish openers like Abid and butt will be exposed against decent sides. it hsppened in SA series and if we played england, NZ or Aus at home it would be exposed aswell. we need a good opening pair at home just as much as we do away from home.

In test cricket, you have to give players time to settle down, specially openers. Even Babar got lost and he couldn’t find his feet. Abid is not a rubbish opener just because of couple of failures vs two difficult pace attacks.
Also, too soon to judge Imran Butt unless you have a crystal ball , it’s been like 2 games.
I won’t judge these openers based on their FC records because opening was a hard job in FC due to green mamba wickets and fake duke balls (until 2 years ago).

 

[Abdurmirr]

It's funny how a double ton against Zimbabwe has put Abid Ali into everyone's good books. The guy who was an absolute bunny against England,South Africa and New Zealand is now "a quality player".

This is what happens when you play a series against a club level teams, delusional fans just become more deluded

 

[MesonK]

They are the definition of a mid-tier team.

NZ/Ind/Aus/Eng

Pak

SA/SL/WI/BD/Zim

That is what I think as well

England
NZ
Austrailia
India
Pakistan
SA
SL
WI
BD
ZiM

 

[Varun]

That is what I think as well

England
NZ
Austrailia
India
Pakistan
SA
SL
WI
BD
ZiM

How/why are Eng, NZ and Aus better than us?

 

[Hitman]

How/why are Eng, NZ and Aus better than us?

It's called insecurity

 

[MesonK]

How/why are Eng, NZ and Aus better than us?

You lost 9/11 away series against real sides in last decade. That record is worst than pakistan

 

[MesonK]

It's called insecurity

9/11 Series loses in SENA is worst then Pakistan in same decade. Your team also managed to get multiple draws at home (real Home i.e. INDIA) at hands of depleted SL. Same SL was crushed by pakistan in Pakistan.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Doesn't have the modern day level professionalism and absolute will to have a consistent 1-2 years run at the top but are still a very spirited team with no dearth of talent in all departments to pull of quality wins against any opposition on a given day.

In a proper series, Pakistan are still a serious competition in white ball cricket even outside Pakistan anywhere but in red ball cricket they need to improve quite a lot to be considered once again a prominent test nation.

There are many positive points in last year so :-

1. Babar Azam has shown will to put in the world to be rated a serious contender as a top batsman of the world. I am still not satisfied however as a fan because when you are a good one, expectations are sky high. Babar Azam needs 2-3 years where he explodes and leaves a lasting impression for generations to come. He hasn't yet quite impressed at that level.


2. Emergence of new wicket keeper batsman. He looks promising, seems like a leader, street smart and tough individual mentally. Pakistan might have found a real gem in him.

3. Hasan Ali seems to be back in form which is a great sign as many including me had thought he was history.

4. Fakhar Zaman has shown again he can still be a serious game winner on a given day.

Good luck to PCB.

 

[Varun]

You lost 9/11 away series against real sides in last decade. That record is worst than pakistan

How does it compare to Eng/NZ and Aus?

 

[PakPremi]

It's funny how a double ton against Zimbabwe has put Abid Ali into everyone's good books. The guy who was an absolute bunny against England,South Africa and New Zealand is now "a quality player".

This is what happens when you play a series against a club level teams, delusional fans just become more deluded

Not saying Abid Ali will definetly turn out to be any good but read Farabi's post above your post.

 

[street cricketer]

Doesn't have the modern day level professionalism and absolute will to have a consistent 1-2 years run at the top but are still a very spirited team with no dearth of talent in all departments to pull of quality wins against any opposition on a given day.

In a proper series, Pakistan are still a serious competition in white ball cricket even outside Pakistan anywhere but in red ball cricket they need to improve quite a lot to be considered once again a prominent test nation.

There are many positive points in last year so :-

1. Babar Azam has shown will to put in the world to be rated a serious contender as a top batsman of the world. I am still not satisfied however as a fan because when you are a good one, expectations are sky high. Babar Azam needs 2-3 years where he explodes and leaves a lasting impression for generations to come. He hasn't yet quite impressed at that level.


2. Emergence of new wicket keeper batsman. He looks promising, seems like a leader, street smart and tough individual mentally. Pakistan might have found a real gem in him.

3. Hasan Ali seems to be back in form which is a great sign as many including me had thought he was history.

4. Fakhar Zaman has shown again he can still be a serious game winner on a given day.

Good luck to PCB.

Disappointed in the absence of funny typos in this post.

 

[silentkiller187]

Definitely not on the same level as AUS/ENG/IND or NZ but not as bad as some posters would have you believe.

 

[Mamoon]

Fun fact:

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Javed Miandad was still playing ODI cricket.

)

 

[Ab Fan]

It is at same level to South African team.

Azhar = Elgar
Rizwan = de Kock
Babar + Shaheen = Markram + Rabada

 

[Farabi]

Doesn't have the modern day level professionalism and absolute will to have a consistent 1-2 years run at the top but are still a very spirited team with no dearth of talent in all departments to pull of quality wins against any opposition on a given day.

In a proper series, Pakistan are still a serious competition in white ball cricket even outside Pakistan anywhere but in red ball cricket they need to improve quite a lot to be considered once again a prominent test nation.

There are many positive points in last year so :-

1. Babar Azam has shown will to put in the world to be rated a serious contender as a top batsman of the world. I am still not satisfied however as a fan because when you are a good one, expectations are sky high. Babar Azam needs 2-3 years where he explodes and leaves a lasting impression for generations to come. He hasn't yet quite impressed at that level.


2. Emergence of new wicket keeper batsman. He looks promising, seems like a leader, street smart and tough individual mentally. Pakistan might have found a real gem in him.

3. Hasan Ali seems to be back in form which is a great sign as many including me had thought he was history.

4. Fakhar Zaman has shown again he can still be a serious game winner on a given day.

Good luck to PCB.

I would add these positives:

1. Emergence of Shaheen, Hasnain and Rauf
2. Emergence of spinners: Zahid, Usman, Nawaz, Nauman, Sajid
3. Return of Sharjeel khan in T20s
4. Return of Fawad Alam in tests

 

[MesonK]

How does it compare to Eng/NZ and Aus?

Other than the declining Austrailian side, Eng and NZ have better away record than the Shocking worst record of Indian side (worst net % than pakistan 2010-2020).

 

[Varun]

Other than the declining Austrailian side, Eng and NZ have better away record than the Shocking worst record of Indian side (worst net % than pakistan 2010-2020).

You said India have lost 9 out of 11 away series. What is it for? :

Aus: ?/13
Eng: ?/13
NZ: ?/13

 

[Saj]

Surely Yasir Shah gets straight back into the Test side once he's fully fit?