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How great was Greg Chappell as a Test batsman?

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Greg Chappell: An underrated great?

I have always wondered why a man carrying an average of almost 54 in 87 games during the 70s and 80s isn't talked about in the list of lengendary batsmen. So i did a bit of statistical research on his career.

IMO a truely great batsman must

a) Do well against most(if not all) great bowling attack of his time.

b) Should have an average of close to 50(excluding the minnows).

c) Should have a healthy average in the 2nd innings( atleast around 40) because performance in 2nd innings tells me how the batsman does when the pitch breaks up and the pressure rises.

d) Great batsmen must also be able to score fast giving enough time for the bowlers to bowl the opposition out.

e) Great batsmen must be match winners and should be the prominent batsmen in test matches won by their country.

So lets look at a and b

Code:
[B]Country              Matches    Runs    Hs     Avg [/B] 
v England [B]19[/B][B]70-1983[/B]	35	2619	144	45.94			 

v India	[B]1981-1981[/B]	3	368	204	73.60			 

v NZ	[B]1973-1982[/B]	14	1076	247*    56.63	 

v Pakistan 1[B]972-1984[/B]	17	1581	235	63.24	

v Sri Lanka 1[B]983-1983[/B]	1	66	66      66.00	

v West Indies [B]19[/B][B]73-1982[/B]	17	1400	182*    56.00

Clearly Chappell passes the A and B test with FLYING colors

Now lets move on to C
Code:
       [B]Matches    Runs    Hs     Avg [/B] 
[B]filtered [/B] 85      2319   144   46.38

So he passes this test too.

Now moving on to scoring FAST. Unfortunately i couldn't find his career SR but i did look through random scorecards and did seem to bat at fairly good pace(i also remember him batting at a fast pace in the highlights shown on Zee sports :D )

Now last but not least! Average in matches won.
Code:
filtered 1972-1984 38 3595 204 [B]70.49[/B]
 
i forgot about
f) Great batsman must do well in both home and away games.

Too tired to post the exact stats but i am quite sure that his away average is 50+
 
I don't think he is underrated. He was one of the best when he was playing. My reasoning that he seems underrated is that newer generation like to talk more about who is better and they didn't see him play. Only players who get mentioned from past are few and limited though he didn't play not to long ago. It will be like asking about Gower who might not be great but one of the best to watch
 
Good point. When you think about the best Aussie batsmen, Bradman is always the first to mind but the next most obvious choices are Ponting and Steve Waugh. Looking at just career records, his is better than Waugh's and though not as good as Ponting's, hes probably more consistent across the board.

And when you think of the best brotherly pair to have represented Australia, most people would go for the Waughs - probably a case of modern bias although from what I've heard from people who saw the Chappells play, it would be them
 
12thMan said:
I don't think he is underrated. He was one of the best when he was playing. My reasoning that he seems underrated is that newer generation like to talk more about who is better and they didn't see him play. Only players who get mentioned from past are few and limited though he didn't play not to long ago. It will be like asking about Gower who might not be great but one of the best to watch
On cricket forums people talk a lot about great players of the past yet this guy is never mentioned as much as the rest. If you were to ask 100 people about Greg then how many you think would rate him even in the same league as Viv?
 
i think he was an underrated as indian coach ..

although most indians hate him i think he was the one that started to turn their team around ..

he got rid of the old bad habits that we still have and introduced a new cut-throat australian system...

i wish we had him as a coach instead of our current lame duck.
 
kashif77 said:
i think he was an underrated as indian coach ..

although most indians hate him i think he was the one that started to turn their team around ..

he got rid of the old bad habits that we still have and introduced a new cut-throat australian system...

i wish we had him as a coach instead of our current lame duck.


yes he was a good coach
but unfortunately india just wasnt the place to do it with the corrupted BCCI
 
Yeah my dad tells me he was a really good player
The best of the Chappell brothers
 
PlanetPakistan said:
On cricket forums people talk a lot about great players of the past yet this guy is never mentioned as much as the rest. If you were to ask 100 people about Greg then how many you think would rate him even in the same league as Viv?
not many and that has something to do with the style of play. But one way to also look at is Border vs S Waugh. Who is more known and talked about in batting. Then it becomes captaincy (non issue). Sure S Waugh has had his winning run under his captaincy but then if you look around some will say Waugh had the team and Taylor and maybe Border were better captains as they built the teams and played will less talented players and left their work for next one to carry on. Maybe Waugh learned from the other two
 
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His record stands out among contemporaries, which clearly says he was one of the best of his time.

At a time when the teams didnt play as much cricket as they do now, to score as many runs as he has, is a truly remarkable achievement.

I think GC has a place amongst the top 50 best batsman of all time.
 
rhapsodite said:
His record stands out among contemporaries, which clearly says he was one of the best of his time.

At a time when the teams didnt play as much cricket as they do now, to score as many runs as he has, is a truly remarkable achievement.

I think GC has a place amongst the top 50 best batsman of all time.

He was ranked quite highly on ESPN's legends of cricket series that used to come :P . Can't quite remeber what no. he was though.
 
Probably Australia's second best batsman of all time.

But things like the "underarm" incident, making himself unavailable for tough tours (like Pakistan, India) when captain - which led to Kim Hughes being half captain and eventually his demise - and his general demeanour mean he is/was not well liked and doesn't really get the credit he deserves as a batsman.
 
rhapsodite said:
His record stands out among contemporaries, which clearly says he was one of the best of his time.

At a time when the teams didnt play as much cricket as they do now, to score as many runs as he has, is a truly remarkable achievement.

I think GC has a place amongst the top 50 best batsman of all time.
Top 50?
more like top 10
 
Among postwar Aussie batsmen I would say:

1. G Chappell
2. Border
3. Ponting (didn't face many great bowlers for much of his career, but he still knocked the runs in)
 
Greg Chappell does not get his importance because the Aussie and English media underplay him. And why do they do it? Because they somewhere believe that G Chappell is a disgrace. The underarm incident finished labeled him as a dishonest cricketer. Preceding that were murmurs of dressing room politics.

When Chappell won the match with the underarm bowling and came back to dressing room, someone told him "you won a match today but lost fans for ever." How true it turned out.
 
surfer said:
Greg Chappell does not get his importance because the Aussie and English media underplay him. And why do they do it? Because they somewhere believe that G Chappell is a disgrace. The underarm incident finished labeled him as a dishonest cricketer. Preceding that were murmurs of dressing room politics.

When Chappell won the match with the underarm bowling and came back to dressing room, someone told him "you won a match today but lost fans for ever." How true it turned out.

Why don't they feel the same way about Warne?
 
PlanetPakistan said:
Why don't they feel the same way about Warne?

Warne's exploits were off the field. And he is a lovable Aussie larrikin in a way which Greg Chappell is absolutely not.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
Why don't they feel the same way about Warne?

Because Shane Warne's fan following was never affected by that controversy. But Greg Chappell's fan following was severely affected following that underarm incident. The press sells what their TG loves to read. Australian people still feel embarrassed with what Chappell did. Even the young generation can not swallow it. Shane Warne did earn ill-will but his fans excused him with raised eyebrows giving him benefit of doubt that he consumed the drugs for reducing weight. But Greg Chappel's act had no excuse ever. Tough to read into the minds of the fans, but so it happened.
 
Random Aussie said:
Warne's exploits were off the field. And he is a lovable Aussie larrikin in a way which Greg Chappell is absolutely not.

I am sure you will be able to tell us better how your generation reacts to that incident. We get ideas from what we see on tv, but you know the reality.
 
surfer said:
Because Shane Warne's fan following was never affected by that controversy. But Greg Chappell's fan following was severely affected following that underarm incident. The press sells what their TG loves to read. Australian people still feel embarrassed with what Chappell did. Even the young generation can not swallow it. Shane Warne did earn ill-will but his fans excused him with raised eyebrows giving him benefit of doubt that he consumed the drugs for reducing weight. But Greg Chappel's act had no excuse ever. Tough to read into the minds of the fans, but so it happened.
but thats just ONE of the controversies. Warne's overall antics were 10 times worse than Greg's. Plus i don't think Greg blatantly cheated like say Afridi or Atherton so if he isn't rated due to that infamous incident in a meaningless ODI match then i think the AUS fans are being terribly unfair.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
but thats just ONE of the controversies. Warne's overall antics were 10 times worse than Greg's. Plus i don't think Greg blatantly cheated like say Afridi or Atherton so if he isn't rated due to that infamous incident in a meaningless ODI match then i think the AUS fans are being terribly unfair.

He probably means Warne never cheated so blatantly with the whole world watching him. His off-field antics cannot be brought in the equation and it'd be unfair to judge the cricketer in him on that basis. Perplexingly, the diuretics incident did nothing to harm his reputation.

Atherton and afridi are way too mediocre to draw a parallel.
 
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PlanetPakistan said:
but thats just ONE of the controversies. Warne's overall antics were 10 times worse than Greg's. Plus i don't think Greg blatantly cheated like say Afridi or Atherton so if he isn't rated due to that infamous incident in a meaningless ODI match then i think the AUS fans are being terribly unfair.

What are you talking about? Maybe he didn't cheat according to the rules but his actions were utterly appalling - surfer is right we are still embarassed about it now.

One of the most central ideas to the Aussie character is giving people "a fair go" and the right thing to do would have been to bowl the ball and if the batsman was good enough to hit a six then so be it. It was disgraceful to deprive the batsman of the chance to hit the ball properly - was against the spirit of cricket.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
but thats just ONE of the controversies. Warne's overall antics were 10 times worse than Greg's. Plus i don't think Greg blatantly cheated like say Afridi or Atherton so if he isn't rated due to that infamous incident in a meaningless ODI match then i think the AUS fans are being terribly unfair.

You can not compare what Afridi did to what Chappell did (assuming you are referring to the pitch digging incident). Afridi did it impulsively when he thought no one was watching. He knew very well that what he was doing was bad and unethical. He was embarrassed about it when he was caught. Its a thief's act. He was punished, learned his lesson and never repeated it.

What Chappell did was planned with a cool head, he did it with impunity in front of a huge crowd believing strongly that he would be appreciated for it, feeling proud of it. Thats villainy. Thats a level where a man has completely erased the fine line between being clever and being unethical/immoral. Thats a stage where the spirit of the game is non-existent and where a man feels that he is justified in doing anything as long as the objective is achieved. There is more to cricket than just winning it by any means.
 
kashif77 said:
i think he was an underrated as indian coach ..

although most indians hate him i think he was the one that started to turn their team around ..

he got rid of the old bad habits that we still have and introduced a new cut-throat australian system...

i wish we had him as a coach instead of our current lame duck.

well i am indian and i dont hate him! actually i respect and actually feel sorry for him that the indians actually failed to adhere to his methods....
 
Looking at him just as a batsman, he was a great player. Here's another one to chew on. Look at his centuries per innings played. If I remember correctly, it's one of the highest even among modern batsmen (considering that he didn't have the luxury of playing against Ban, Zim it's a great ratio).
 
Random Aussie said:
What are you talking about? Maybe he didn't cheat according to the rules but his actions were utterly appalling - surfer is right we are still embarassed about it now.

One of the most central ideas to the Aussie character is giving people "a fair go" and the right thing to do would have been to bowl the ball and if the batsman was good enough to hit a six then so be it. It was disgraceful to deprive the batsman of the chance to hit the ball properly - was against the spirit of cricket.
I never said what he did was right but surely its unfair to take the credit away from him just because of that one incident( especially if Warne is highly rated despite much bigger controversies)
 
PP,
He was good no doubt. May be among the top five Aussie batsmen. However, His contemporaries were better with sheer style. Viv performed when the light was turned on. The bigger the stage the better his batting looked.

His reputation got tarnished with few underhand deliveries. Nowadays, image is everything (almost). Leaders follewed him did perform better than him. Border, Waugh, and Ponting.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I have always wondered why a man carrying an average of almost 54 in 87 games during the 70s and 80s isn't talked about in the list of lengendary batsmen. So i did a bit of statistical research on his career.

He is not considered to be a legendary batsman only by those who dont know better(and I dont mean you PlanetPakistan). I am reminded of the list ESPN compiled in 2002/03 of 25 greatest cricket players ever. Greg Chappell was at 17(or 16, I am quoting from memory), much ahead of the likes of Kapil Dev, Wasim Akram, Steve Waugh, Alan Border and Barry Richards.

No he is not underrated.
 
He was never underrated, along with his brother, he is known as one of the better cricketing minds in the world. Extremely smart cricketer.
 
Greg Chappell-best Australian batsman after Bradman ?

This grandson of Victor Richardson bid farewell to test Cricket against Pakistan with a superb 182 at Sydney in the final test in the 1983-84 series It was fitting that he retired in that manner after taking the Pakistan attack to the sword in charasterictic style.His batting contained the same elegance as he showed all through his career.The adulation he received from the Crowds was like Julius Ceasar bidding farewell to his subjects for the last time. In that same test match stalwarts like Lillee and Rod Marsh also bid farewell

.. Fittingly he also made a hundred on his test debut at Perth in 1969-70 verus Austrlai scoring 108 runs.He thus joined the select band of batsman who scored centuries on debut and in their final tests.

In the 1971-72 unofficial tset series against Rest of he World Greg revealed why he would become one of the true greats of the game.He averaged 114 runs including 2 centuries ,.His 197 in the 3rd test was as an exhibition of unflawed brilliance.He exhibited perfect balance and made his opponents look like pawns on a chessboard.

The first sign of true greatness in Greg’s batting was displayed in the 1971-72 Ashes in England. At Lords he scored a chanceless match-winning 131.Greg gave one of the finest exhibitions of batting ever exhibited on a cricket field.It is hard to imagine an innings played in England after the war played with such high technical skill. In difficult conditions Greg showed exemplary judgement on either foot. Never had such elegance been displayed by an Australian. .The field was pierced in a manner an artist was making curves on the board. His style and composure reminded one of the great batsman of the Golden age, mastering the moving ball.It was almost like seeing a writer recite classical prose.His 2 centuries in the series played a great role in his team drawing a test series 2-2.He shared famous partnershipwith his brother Ia at the Oval when hey both scored centuries.

In the Carribean in 1973 Greg topped the first class averages for Australia led by his brother Ian Chappell where his team triumphed 2- in the test series.In 1974-75 his batting played an instrumental role in Australia regaining the Ashes.Greg scored at an average of 55,scoring 2 centuries.

Greg’s batting had a charasterictic English style which had elegance personified in total contrast to brother Ian who had a charasterictic ruggedness and arrogance about his batting.One feature of his career was their back to back centuries at Wellington when Ian and Greg became the first brother combination to score 2centuries apiece in a test match.(Greg scored 247not out and 133 not out while Ian scpored 145 and 121)Often it was Ian who inspired Greg.It was a sight to behold watching the two brothers batting at the crease who were temperamentally so different.

After inheriting the legacy of a champion team nurtured by brother Ian Chappell, in 1975 Greg led his team to 5-1 victory in a test series against the West Indies ,billed as the World Championship contest.He compiled runs in a Bradmanesque manner taking the West India bowlers to the sword.,scoring 702 runs at 117 runs apiece.He tore the calypso attack to shreds like a sword piercing flesh.but with the grace of a violinist.No batsman ever score more prolifically in a test series in début series as captain.Greg alos scored the most number of runs by an Australian batsman ever I a test series against the West Indies. His 182 not out at Sydney was scored after Holding had injured him.He gave an exhibition of unmatched artistry. Greg plundered runs like an emperor. It must be said that Ian gave him great support as a batsman and in captaincy.Ian virtually handed a throne to Greg.

Greg had a successful series against Pakistan at home in 1976-1977.He went on to lead is taem I England in the Ashes where his team went down 3-1 Howevr Greg exhibited unmatched elegance ,making it look as though the rest were mere club batsman.There was no Australian batsman in his league.At the Oval ,he score a masterly 124 not out in rainy conditions.,in he final one day international of he Prudential trophy.Playing for ataem having lost it’s stalwarts in Packer Ricket Greg led and played with immaculate skill.

In World Series Cricket Greg gave some breathtaking exhibitions of batting.He sored 246 not out against aWorld 11 and 174 against the West Indies. He tore the bowling like a sword piercing flesh when scoring 246 not out ,(which won the match against aChampion team)reminding one of a bomber destroying an enemy base.No batsman was more elegant and in full flow he resembled an emperor conquering territory after territory.He conquered the likes of Sir Richard Hadlee,Michael Holding, Andy Robers,Imran Khan Etc. He bisected the fields superbly with he skill of a surgeon.Often the bowlers looked like demoralized soldiers who had suffered a crushing defeat in a battle.He scored 1416 runs ,523 more than any Australian.He dominated the bowling in the Carribean in the Supertests aggregating 621 runs at an average of 69 runs.

In the post Packer era Greg dominated bowling with equal ease. He scored profically in a home series against India,(drawn rubber) 2 home series versus Pakistan,(led his team in 1981 but played under Kim Hughes in 1983-84)in an away series in New Zealand,in 2 home series against England.and in an away series.against Pakistan.In 1979-9-80 he averaged 45 against West Indies(side lost 2-0 when he scored 124 to help save the first test at Brisbane) but then averaged 79.80 against England, including a century and a match-winning 98 not out at Sydney on a rained pitch.(led his team to 2-0 win in test series) He followed that up averaging 76.80 in a 3 test series in 1980 in Pakistan including a brilliant 235 at Faisalabad against Pakistan.(lost series 1-0) Greg showed his class on turning tracks and his exempelary footwork. In 1980-81 he wasn’t successful against New Zealand(won series 2-0) but averaged 73.60 against India including a masterly 204 against India at Sydney,(drawn rubber despite his prolific scoring)where he made the Indian bowlers look like cattle walking to a slaughterhouse.In 1981-82,Greg average 50.4 against Pakistan scoring a superb 201 in the 2nd test at Brisbane where he tore the likes of Imran Khan by the sword, giving a masterly exhibition of strokeplay. However Greg had a nightmare series against the West Indies.(failed as a batsman but still his side drew the rubber 1-1)Repeatedly the West Indian bowlers penetrated his defence or beat his bat and Greg chappell seemed to be hopelessly out of sorts.. However just after that he proved the fact that all great batsman only go through patches of failure scoring a brilliant 176 against New Zealand at ChristChurch.He simply tore Sir Richard Hadlee and looked like a bomber destroying a airbase. His batting enabled Australia to regain the Ashes at home in 1982-83,when he scored over 450 runs averaging around 48,including 2 centuries. while he set seal to is brilliant career winning test series against Pakistan at home,retiring scoring a superb 182.True the Pakistan attack was handicapped without Imran Khan bowling but Greg retired batting like a true great.

Where would Greg rank overall as a batsman?No batsman in the 1970's dominated bowling attacks to such an extent combining technical elegance and grace.In his era with Viv Richards and Sunil Gavaskar he was the greatest batsman.He had the best test average by any batsman in his era ahead of Viv Richards at 50.24 and Gavaskar at 51.10 To me he is just a hare’s breadth below Viv Richards,Sachin Tendulkar or Brian Lara and is among the 10 best batsman of all time.I would still rate him the best post-war Australian batsman.Ricky Ponting was statistically better but did posesse Greg's technical excelence or mastery on bad wickets.Ponting did not face the same type of opposition or the same caliber of bowling.(Though he played the bouncing ball better).Dennis Lillee and Sir Richard Hadlee rate him the most perfect batsman they have ever bowled to. Dennis Lille rates him only behind Viv Richards,Gary Sobers,Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock.In is era Greg was the greatest Competitor to Viv Richards and Sunil Gavaskar.Unfortunately statisticians have not taken into account the run she scored in the World series super tests or the unofficial tests against the Rest of the World.

Statistically Greg averaged 53.86 scoring 7110 runs in 151 innings in 87 tests.I rate him 2 nd best amongst Australian batsman behind only Bradman.Though Ian Chappell was better in a crisis(as well as against the boucing ball or on bad wickets) or Allan Border was more prolific they could not dominate an attack like Greg Chappell or win as many matches.14 out of his 24 centuries in test matches were match-winning affairs and Greg had a phenomenal average of 70 in test matches won by Australia.(better than Viv Richards,Tendulakr or Lara in modern times .)Ricky Ponting or Matthew Hayden may match Greg Chappell’s ability to dominate or been greater match-winners statistically but to me have not faced the same calibre of bolwing and had the advantage of playing for a champion team.Greg Chappel has faced the greatest bowlers of any era.(Andy Roberts,Imran Khan Etc).) True playerslike Gary Sobers ,Imran Khan or Michael Holding rated brother Ian Chappell a better batsman but silmuntaneously Sir Don Bradman,Sir Richard Hadlee and Sunil Gavaskar and Dennis Lillee rated Greg better. Greg Chappell’s scores in Packer CRicket in the 1977-79 period and in the 1972 Rest of the World versus Australia series in Australia have been excluded from the record books .Otherwise he would have a higher ranking amongst the all -time great batsman.Infcat adding his Packer stats and scores v.Rest of the World Greg Chappell's average would be elevated to 55.8.,with 20 centuries.In Packer Cricket he averaged over 45+against the likes of Andy Roberts,Holding and Imran Khan including a .classic 246 not out verus Rest of the World and 174 versus West Indies. Against rest of the World at home in 1972.he averaged over 100 including scores of 115 and 197 not out .Greg’s best Innings wsa possibly his 131 at Lords i 1972 against England..He scored prolifically against the Calypso paceman like in his debut series as skipper (when he scored a record for a debut series as skipper) scoring 702 runs at 117 including a classic 182 not out at Sydney.He also scored 621 runs at a 69 run average in the Packer Series in the West Indies.Greg also showed he was a master on the sub-continent with aclassical 235 at Faislabad against Pakistan in 1980.Greg was rated as the 10 best batsman of all in the Wisden Rankings.the 17th best cricketer of all in the E.S P.N rankings while Geoff Armstrong puts him as he23rd best Cricketer of all.(better than Ricky Ponting or Allan Border)Mushtaq Muhammad places Greg in his alltime xi with Tendulkar.,while Jeff Thomson rates him the best batsman of his time and Richard Hadlee,the most perfect.At the no 4 position Greg would rank as amongst the best in cricket history with Tendulkar ,Graeme Pollock and Lara.I would rate Greg above Jacques Kallis because Greg had more flamboyance ,style and match-winning ability.One thing that may have gone against Greg was his frequently missing tours like i England i 1981,Pakistan in 1982 etc.Some critiques felt that he did not relish fast bowling,but remember he scored prolifically against the likes of all great paceman of his era.Greg is rated very highly by Colin Croft who rated him the most difficult batsman he ever bowled to.,as well as Richie Richardson and Andy Roberts.


Technically Greg was the best Australian batsman after Sir Don.Greg had a unique composure with an impregnable defence.In the post-war era there has not been a more correct Australian batsman.He had extraordinary judgement whether he should defend with a perfectly straight bat or launch a blistering attack,including majestic drives,cuts and flicks on either side of the wicket.In the Arc region he batted like a surgeon performing an a operation and he was the best ever player of the flicked drive through mid wicket.. When in full flow he was reminiscent of an emperor dicating his knights but scored his runs with the precision of asurgeon performing an operation.He was a perfect model for a schoolboy batsman. Few batsman ever have combined such technical correctness with the ability to destroy bowling.In Greg’s only weakness was his vulnerability against the bouncing ball which was exposed on fast tracks against the West Indian paceman,particularyly in 1979-80 He often top edged bouncers attempting the hook shot and his predominantly Front foot Technique got him into trouble.Greg mastered the seaming English wickets,the turning tracks in the sub-continent and the bouncy Australian tracks.
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Greg also exhibited great will power after a string of failures against West Indies at home in 1981-82 and he contemplated retirement.Howevere he returned like a Muhammad Ali scoring 176 in New Zealand in 1982and went on to play 3 relatively succesful Australian INternational seasons.(4Centuries against England and Pakistan )

As a skipper brother Ian was vastly better and Greg could never motivate his team to the same extent as Ian and was not as sound a tactician..Ian virtually handed over an empire to Greg in the 1975-76 series against West Indies(Austrlai triumphed 5-1)The base of Austrlalia’s great rise was built by none other than Ian Chappellwhich paved the way for Greg leading Austrlia to a 5-1 triumph in his debut series as skipper. after making Australia a world beating side.Greg was an outstanding slip fielder taking 122 catches.Greg was amore than useful medium pace bowler who often made crucial breakthroughs..

Greg Chappell played some great one day International knocks and sometimes he was unbowlabe in the shorter version.He averaged around 36 with some useful match-winning hundreds and fifties displaing classical improvisation.

.Howevere his career had blemishes like when he made brother Trevor Chappel bowl an underarm ball when opponents New Zealand required 6 of the last ball against New Zealand in 1980-81.It was one of the game’s most unsporting incidents.He also morally justified Dennis Lillee’s assault on Javed Mianda at Perth in 1981-82.Although very cool and graceful thes 2 incidents spoke against his sportsmanship.Sadly he also contributed to a rift in Indian cricket between Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid and his role as a manager had an adverse effect on Indian cricket as a whole.To me this was the greatest blot on Greg Chappell's career.



Greg rate Gary Sobers,Vivian Richards ,Graeme Pollock,Sachin Tendulkar,Brian Lara and Barry Richards as his 5 best batsman,while rated Denis Lilllee,Andy Roberts.Malcolm Marshall,Jeff Thomson and Shane Warne as his 5 best bowlers.
After retiring Greg became asuccesful commentator and at present is the coach of the Indian team..His memories will remain forever till the game exists.Few batsman have displayed such feline grace while batting.It is really sad that he never played in India where many a ricket school boy modelled his batting style on Greg..He was an ornament to the game.
 
Greg Chappell does not get his importance because the Aussie and English media underplay him. And why do they do it? Because they somewhere believe that G Chappell is a disgrace.

We don't underplay him and we don't think he's a disgrace.

The underarm incident finished labeled him as a dishonest cricketer.

Why? He was within the Laws.

And it happened to the NZzzzz so it doesn't count as real cricket anyway.
 
Even Ganguly respected him as a great batsman. He was exceedingly good but his other shenanigans overshadowed his batting expertise.
 
He is not under-rated, Why should there be even one iota of doubt that he truly is best Australian batsman after Bradman?
 
Never saw him play but statically a great batsman. I won't put him above Gavaskar or Richards still because of his refusal to tough tours.
 
I rate the greatest Aus batsman ever after :don...His average vs every single team, home or away is astonishing.
Edit-Actually I think him and Border are tied
 
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One of the most central ideas to the Aussie character is giving people "a fair go" and the right thing to do would have been to bowl the ball and if the batsman was good enough to hit a six then so be it. It was disgraceful to deprive the batsman of the chance to hit the ball properly - was against the spirit of cricket.

I like the honesty in this post. It's good to know.
 
Only youngsters underrated him. Everyone who remembers that era knows he was top dog.
 
I don't know anything about his career, but maybe he didn't have a crazy peak and that might be the reason that players like Ponting and Lara are rated so high when compared to him.
 
I don't know anything about his career, but maybe he didn't have a crazy peak and that might be the reason that players like Ponting and Lara are rated so high when compared to him.

Greg was great against WI and also good in all venues. He is the only batsman ,along with SRT, who averaged 40+ against every opposition and in all venues. Yah, number of oppositions and venues were less but not many did so well in his time.

In my opinion, Greg is as good as Ponting if not better. Most Aus know that there was Bradman and then you have Ponting/Greg/Border after him.
 
Greg was great against WI and also good in all venues. He is the only batsman ,along with SRT, who averaged 40+ against every opposition and in all venues. Yah, number of oppositions and venues were less but not many did so well in his time.

In my opinion, Greg is as good as Ponting if not better. Most Aus know that there was Bradman and then you have Ponting/Greg/Border after him.

Richie Benaud rated him "just a level below" to Tendulkar.
 
Sometimes I feel we are forced to rate Bradman that highly because of that average.

Chapell was more combination of of border and mark waugh. There is no question of underrating him
 
What Chappell did was planned with a cool head, he did it with impunity in front of a huge crowd believing strongly that he would be appreciated for it, feeling proud of it. Thats villainy. Thats a level where a man has completely erased the fine line between being clever and being unethical/immoral. Thats a stage where the spirit of the game is non-existent and where a man feels that he is justified in doing anything as long as the objective is achieved. There is more to cricket than just winning it by any means.

Can you tell us where you got this information from because apart from being factually incorrect and virtually a lie I would hope you have been told this and not made it up.
 
Sorry if I am repeating myself but I felt in the last debate comparing Sunny,Viv and Greg,Chappell was virtually ignored .It boiled down to one between Viv v Sunny.


Here I want to assess Greg's place amongst the all-time greats in test cricket and compare him with Viv Richards as well as later superstars .No doubt he was one of the greatest batsmen to have ever set foot on a cricket field.

Technically he was perfect and like a medley of the technical skill of Geoff Boycott with the pugnacity of Viv Richards.In that light almost the equal of Barry Richards.Chappell was a like a surgeon and poet rolled into one with his supreme elegance.However later in his career he showed his vulnerability against the short.lifting delivery in the 1979-80 Frank Worrell trophy as well as the 1981-82 Frank Worrel trophy.Although he scored 124 and 74 in the 1st test at Brisbane he faded out in the rest of the series in 1979-80.It was not that he was not in form as in the same season he almost averaged 80 against England.


In Wsc supertests he had the leading aggregate of 1416 runs averaging 56.16 ,ahead of Viv Richards.in average and aggregate.This included averaging 69 in 5 supertests in West Indies with 3 centuries in 1979 and a 246 and 174 against a world xi in 1977-78.Not so prolific in Australia v West Indies in Packer era though.In the 1975-76 Frank Worrell trophy Greg averaged over 117 with 702 run.However though he was outstanding For 4 tests Holding and Roberts were never both fully fit after the 2nd test at Perth and he was unbeaten on 4 occasions which boosted his average.Statistically he was arguably the best in the world in his era but morally still was not as adept against genuine pace as Viv Richards or brother Ian.In matches against rest of the world Greg averaged a phenomenal 100,but again it was not the best of bowling attacks.Greg scored his centuries on the slower wickets of Antigua ,Georgetown and Trinidad and not on the pitches of lightning pace like Barbados and Kingston.Still I have to aknowledge that he played the great Calypso attack better than any middle order batsmen in his era and played them better than anyone on West Indies pitches.


Greg averaged 76.5 on the tour of Pakistan including scoring 235 at Faisalabad.However he was not at his best on the genuine turning track sin Karachi and Lahore.He never toured India.In England he averaged around 40 not matching the statistics of Viv ,Sunny,Border ,Steve Waugh or even brother Ian.Ian Chappell proved his great skill against spin bowling in India in 1969-70.Although exuding supreme elegance Greg Did not judge swing or seam as skillfully as brother Ian.Often Ian Botham outwitted him like in 1979-80 and overall Gavaskar overshadowed Greg against the moving ball.Later Border and Waugh displayed greater consistency than Greg in seaming Englsih conditions.

So where would Greg rank amongst the greats in test cricket?In the bracket of Bradman,Hammond,Tendulkar ,Lara ,Sobers and Viv?Or a notch below with the likes of Gavaskar,Hutton,Pollock ,Ponting ,Border and Miandad.Some like Jeff Thomson rank him even above Viv Richards.In his era many rated Greg to be the most perfect batsmen in terms of all-round skill like Richard Hadlee,David Gower ,Mushtaq Muhammad and even Dennis Lillee.

For pure class or all-round batting skill he would join the Sachin Tendulkar category.Statistically adding unofficial tests Greg may well rank only behind Bradman,Tendulkar ,Lara and Sobers,considering the bowling of his era.No batsmen of his era had a better record against West Indies which arguably had the best pace attack ever ,till then.Morally Greg averaged over 55 in test cricket with 31 centuries,amassing over 9000 runs.Greg had a phenomenal average of over 70 in test matches won by Australia.

However if you take into account that he was not at his best on the seaming tracks in England,never proved himself on turning pitches in India and was vulnerable to the bouncing or lifting delivery ;Greg would rank below the very best like Sobers,Lara Sachin or Viv and may be just edged by Gavaskar,Hutton and Graeme Pollock.I rate him above Border , Steve Waugh and Rahul Dravid because of his ability to win games and posess more attacking skill.Ricky Ponting and later Steve Smith did not face the same calibre of pace bowling like Greg and like Chappell was not at his best in England or on turning tracks.Gavaskar may rate ahead because he was an opening batsmen and also faced considerably more pressure playing for a relatively weak batting line -up or team,unlike Greg.Pollock. marginally surpassed Greg in domination of bowling.I rank Greg above Everton Weekes as he faced better bowling and had more longevity.

Still Greg Chappell was to me the 2nd best Australian batsmen of all time and arguably amongst the 5 most complete batsmen ever in terms of all-round skill.To me amongst the top dozen batsmen of all in test cricket .


STATISTICS OF GREG CHAPPELL FROM S.RAJESH OF CRICINFO

Chappell's battles against the West Indies pace attack extended beyond the Test scene; he tackled them in the Supertests in World Series Cricket as well, and performed superbly. In 14 matches he averaged more than 56, which was significantly more than any other Australian batsman.

Performance of top batsmen in World Series Cricket

Batsman Team Matches Innings Runs 100s 50s Average
Barry Richards World XI 5 8 554 2 2 79.14
Greg Chappell Australia 14 26 1415 5 4 56.60
Vivian Richards West Indies and World XI 14 25 1281 4 4 55.69
David Hookes Australia 12 22 769 1 7 38.45
Clive Lloyd West Indies and World XI 13 21 683 1 3 37.94
Gordon Greenidge West Indies and World XI 13 23 754 1 4 35.90
Ian Chappell Australia 14 27 893 1 5 35.72


Of the 87 Tests he played, Australia won 38, and in those games Chappell's contributions were immense: he scored more than 3500 runs at an average exceeding 70. Like in his overall Test career, his first and last innings in wins were also centuries. As the table below shows, his numbers in wins are among the best in the game.

Highest averages in Test wins (Qual: 3000 runs) Batsman Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Don Bradman 30 4813 130.08 23/ 4
Inzamam-ul-Haq 49 4690 78.16 17/ 20
Garry Sobers 31 3097 77.42 12/ 11
Kumar Sangakkara 42 4282 76.46 15/ 15
Greg Chappell 38 3595 70.49 14/ 16
Steve Waugh 86 6460 69.46 25/ 25
Sachin Tendulkar 60 5454 69.03 20/ 21
Rahul Dravid 52 4748 66.87 13/ 22
 
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