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How is Cameron Bancroft any less guilty than Steve Smith or David Warner?

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Don’t want to jump to conclusions but it seems like the public and CA are sympathetic to Bancroft because he was just “following orders” whilst Smith / Warner were the brainchild?

I find this hard to digest....

Does Bancroft not know right from wrong or what he is doing is against the rules of the game? Had he resisted - maybe Smith and Warner would have come to their senses too.

It seems like CA needs to make a scapegoat and it will NOT be Bancroft for some reason :facepalm:

It is the same situation with the Fixing Trio but Amir was made into a victim whereas Butt and Asif were thrown under the bus.

Whilst I am somewhat sympathetic to all 3 and this this incident has been blown out of proportion - they ALL should equally receive the same punishment...
 
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He is young :amir

But seriously I'm surprised Lehmann got away with it.

Bancroft isn't innocent but he wasn't the one who came up with the plan. I guess.
 
Bancroft isn't innocent at all! He was a pro at concealing his cheating until he gave himself away. He's probably done it before as well.

Amir wasnt innocent either. Above the age of 18 and you are a responsible adult. He is 6ft 5 and there is no way he can be so easily coerced to do the wrong thing
 
Any court in the World will not give any extra leniency to accused if they are above 18 years old.

Hence, both :amir and Bancroft are as guilt as other respective team members IMO.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He is young :amir

But seriously I'm surprised Lehmann got away with it.

Bancroft isn't innocent but he wasn't the one who came up with the plan. I guess.
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Coming up with the plan or EXECUTING the plan should be exactly the same thing in terms of a crime - or offense in this case.

Same punishment IMO.
 
It is common in misconduct investigations for “acting under the direction of one more senior” to be viewed as strong mitigation, if not as total exoneration. If you are in such a situation then your options can feel very narrow - you effectively need to do what the boss says, as we all do, but on these occasions you may not want to as it does not feel right. However if you challenge the order or outright refuse to cooperate, the likelihood is that a senior individual - who has already made their mind up about what they want to happen - will just keep asking other underlings to do it until somebody says yes, and then you will be left feeling like your future opportunities and career development are in the toilet because you are not a “yes man” and will therefore be permanently excluded from the cosy club at the top of the organisation.
 
Rana said:
Bancroft isn't innocent at all! He was a pro at concealing his cheating until he gave himself away. He's probably done it before as well.

Amir wasnt innocent either. Above the age of 18 and you are a responsible adult. He is 6ft 5 and there is no way he can be so easily coerced to do the wrong thing
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Who is 6ft 5?
 
James said:
It is common in misconduct investigations for “acting under the direction of one more senior” to be viewed as strong mitigation, if not as total exoneration. If you are in such a situation then your options can feel very narrow - you effectively need to do what the boss says, as we all do, but on these occasions you may not want to as it does not feel right. However if you challenge the order or outright refuse to cooperate, the likelihood is that a senior individual - who has already made their mind up about what they want to happen - will just keep asking other underlings to do it until somebody says yes, and then you will be left feeling like your future opportunities and career development are in the toilet because you are not a “yes man” and will therefore be permanently excluded from the cosy club at the top of the organisation.
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In normal circumstances yes but the task being asked of Bancroft was clearly ILLEGAL by the current ICC code of conduct.

ACB and Smith had no ground to force Bancroft to commit ball tampering.

If Bancroft was dropped for “not listening to authority” - then he would have every right to complain to ICC / ACB and act as a whistleblower.
 
msb314 said:
In normal circumstances yes but the task being asked of Bancroft was clearly ILLEGAL by the current ICC code of conduct.

ACB and Smith had no ground to force Bancroft to commit ball tampering.

If Bancroft was dropped for “not listening to authority” - then he would have every right to complain to ICC / ACB and act as a whistleblower.
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Yes there would have then been grounds to blow the whistle, but this is an incredibly difficult thing to do and it often ends up damaging the whistleblower almost as much as the ones who are being grassed up. Would you have been a whistleblower?
 
James said:
Yes there would have then been grounds to blow the whistle, but this is an incredibly difficult thing to do and it often ends up damaging the whistleblower almost as much as the ones who are being grassed up. Would you have been a whistleblower?
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If Bancroft had evidence - then yes and he would also have leverage over Smith and Warner.

i.e. stop this rubbish right now or I report you both to the authorities

I understand it is easier said than done but he should have tried to reason with Smith, Warner and even Lehman
 
He is less guilty not because of his age, but because he is not in a leadership position like the other two.
 
By the same logic by which Amir was deemed to be innocent small townsimple person who was forced to bowl no balls not because he agreed to but because he could not say no to his captains orders
 
Bancroft wasn't Captain or Vice Captain so he didn't have that extra level of responsibility which he failed.
 
Bancroft equally responsible ..... you are playing Test Match Cricket ..... you have played lots more Cricket before becoming part of a Test
Match Team !!! So you can’t act as if you did not know the Rules of the Game !!! Your only hope was to get away with it. God only knows how often the Australians actually got away with it in the past ??? One feels for their families ... all the shame and everything else that goes with it!!! Too bad, hope other players, everywhere, learn from this .... sincerely hope so !!!
 
Sadevdesai said:
Bancroft equally responsible ..... you are playing Test Match Cricket ..... you have played lots more Cricket before becoming part of a Test
Match Team !!! So you can’t act as if you did not know the Rules of the Game !!! Your only hope was to get away with it. God only knows how often the Australians actually got away with it in the past ??? One feels for their families ... all the shame and everything else that goes with it!!! Too bad, hope other players, everywhere, learn from this .... sincerely hope so !!!
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He's young. Give him some slack. Amir received it. And here we are talking about a crime which is millions of times less offensive than the horrible action did by amor. Certainly bencroft should receive lesser punishment even than that of Smith.
 
There is no doubt that Sandcroft is less guilty than Smith. But I dont know how the ICC didnt issue the minimum ban of 1 test for something he did. If it wasnt for the Australian board and the people, he would have gone scot free. He may have played the 4th test in this series :ishant
 
The 26-year-old, who returned from a nine-month suspension in December, will lead his new county out for the first time on Thursday when they play Sussex.

"It was a very challenging time for me and at that point you can't really see how you're going to come out the other side," he told BBC Newcastle.

"But like anything, you keep working."

The Western Australian has not added to his eight Test caps for Australia since he was banned along with former captain Steve Smith and vice-captain David Warner.

Bancroft was caught using sandpaper to damage the ball during the third Test against South Africa in March 2018.

Smith admitted that the side's "leadership group" had devised a plan to tamper with the ball, and Cricket Australia's investigation found Warner instructed Bancroft how to carry it out.

Bancroft said it was "his aspiration" to play Test cricket in the future, but his focus at the moment was to enjoy the game.

"You keep taking steps forward and here I am now and I'm playing cricket again and enjoying every minute of it," he added.

"There were definitely times when I felt like that [wanted to walk away from cricket], but once I got back playing for my club team in Perth I had a lot of fun."

He compared the ordeal to a grieving process, but said he was looking forward to showing people how much he has grown as a person and scoring runs for Durham, with an Ashes series in England coming up this summer.

"I look forward to getting to know the members and connecting with them. I'm sure if there are people out there that feel uncertain, I'd love to sit down and talk to them," he said.

"I'm a greater person after the mistakes I've made in my entire life, like we all are, so you grow and you move forward.

"You can't really go through an experience like I have done over the past 12 months and not change as a person, that would be silly."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47883638
 
It is obvious. S. Smith was the captain, Warner was the vice-captain and both were among the most senior players in the squad. Bancroft was following orders, if your captain and vice captain have been using sandpaper to scuff up the ball for quite some time (a reasonable assumption), you're not going to know any better and go along with what they're doing.

Bancroft is guilty for sure, however he is less at fault than his two senior team-mates.
 
Warner and Smith received longer sentences due to their positions.

Even though both Amir and Bancroft had been cheating long before they were caught they can only be punished for what they have been caught for.
 
What Butt and Asif did was way malicious than what Warner and Smith did. I still think ICC were harsh with both Smith/Warner.

That said, both Amir and this Aussie rookie were youngsters and were influenced by senior teammates!
 
It's the same thing with Amir and co. Bancroft is in Amir's shoe while Warner/Smith is in Butt/Asif's shoe. Should help you understand it more. If you ask me, any cheat should get equal amount of punishment, regardless of if you were following orders or did it on your own.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
What Butt and Asif did was way malicious than what Warner and Smith did. I still think ICC were harsh with both Smith/Warner.

That said, both Amir and this Aussie rookie were youngsters and were influenced by senior teammates!
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The ICC was pathetically soft
 
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