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How is the Pakistan top order supposed to counter the New Zealand pacers?

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NZ tour is around the corner and I’ve been asking this question from myself over and over again. How our batters will handler and encounter initial swing of Kiwi bowlers? I still remembered what damage they inflicted last time we toured NZ. I know it does swing much, but if we lose early wickets in first 6/7 overs, then it will make a vital impact on final result.

It's harder to judge a swinging delivery than it looks. For one, it requires a lot of guesswork. Even the most skilled batsmen in the world rely on their instincts and years of practice to gauge where the ball will end up when it reaches them. There is no device to tell you the ball will move x inches in the air after release and y amount after pitching. And if the ball is moving at 145kph, the time to assess becomes shorter and the margin of error smaller.

There are certain things that a batsman keeps in mind while preparing to play the new ball. It helps if you have played the bowler in the past or if there is some video data to structure your game plan. If you're up against Tim Southee, who swing the ball away from the right-hander, you draw an imaginary line outside off stump and leave alone all balls that pitch outside that line. In fact, you have to play well within that line to cover the movement in the air and off the surface. You can't play balls outside off stump with a straight bat, for it doesn't cover for swing - you would probably end up nicking it to the keeper. You have to play with a slightly horizontal bat, which ensures that you cover the movement.

However, you will need to play with a straight bat when you're up against someone like Trent Boult, who swings it back into right-hander. Not just that, you'll also have to play late and close to the body to ensure there is no gap between the bat and pad.

Whether the ball is moving away or coming in, you need to constantly judge the amount of movement a bowler will get. The wrist position is a good indicator of the way the ball will come out of the hand. Once the ball is released, the seam can reveal some more. It will be tilted towards slip if the ball is set to move away, and towards fine leg if it is going to come in.

I reckon another way of judging the path of the ball after release is to look for the shine. In case of traditional swing, the ball moves in the opposite direction to the side the shine is on; if the shine is on the right, the ball will move to the left and be an outswinger for a right-hand batsman. This is not guaranteed either. At times the ball misbehaves and holds its line - which may not be as bad as it swinging in the opposite direction but still causes trouble.

That said, a million dollar question is, do Azhar, Fakhar, Imam, Babar and Heckfeez have skillset to survive the initial burst of Kiwi quicks and give us a good, safe start – yet to be seen.

Would like to know your opinion!
 
It can't .Boult and southee are going to have a merry time unless for some reason pitches are flat.Its up to pak bowling line up.
 
It can't .Boult and southee are going to have a merry time unless for some reason pitches are flat.Its up to pak bowling line up.

A lot depends on the way Azhar,Harris and babar perform because if they can survive against the new ball then the likes of malik and Faheem can play the way they want to
 
Azhar can survive the new ball and Zaman can play his natural game at the other end. I think if we don't lose wickets early then runs will be a lot easier to come by
 
Azhar can survive the new ball and Zaman can play his natural game at the other end. I think if we don't lose wickets early then runs will be a lot easier to come by

Do you think Azhar will play instead of Imam ul Haq?
 
Do you think Azhar will play instead of Imam ul Haq?

Yes I do. I can't imagine a senior player like Azhar warming the bench so that Imam can play, despite the fact the latter scored a debut century. What about you?
 
If Fakhar can survive Boult's initial spell, then we should be fine. Southee is overrated and we shouldn't face too many problems against him.
 
Do you think Azhar will play instead of Imam ul Haq?

I reckon both Azhar and Hackfeez will play in at least first two games.

Imam and Harry might get their chance only if these two flunks in 3 consecutive games.
 
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Yes I do. I can't imagine a senior player like Azhar warming the bench so that Imam can play, despite the fact the latter scored a debut century. What about you?

For me, Imam should play. He was given a chance against Sri Lanka and he did very well. Azhar, apart from the final, was a failure in the champions trophy.
I think he is selected just to thank him for his good innings in the final and he will quickly be dropped from the ODI side- as he should be.

I don't think that Imam ul Haq is the solution of our ODI problems but at least we have given someone a chance so now let him time to show what he can do. He should be given around 15 ODI's before taking a decision on him.
 
If Fakhar can survive Boult's initial spell, then we should be fine. Southee is overrated and we shouldn't face too many problems against him.

Even Boult is quite overrated on this forum. He is very inconsistent these days. But yes, it is a very important tour for Fakhar to show that he can play against good fast bowlers.
 
For me, Imam should play. He was given a chance against Sri Lanka and he did very well. Azhar, apart from the final, was a failure in the champions trophy.
I think he is selected just to thank him for his good innings in the final and he will quickly be dropped from the ODI side- as he should be.

I don't think that Imam ul Haq is the solution of our ODI problems but at least we have given someone a chance so now let him time to show what he can do. He should be given around 15 ODI's before taking a decision on him.

Azhar was not a failure in the Champions Trophy infact he looked so good with his fifty in the pool match against India which we lost.

Playing Imam means disturbing the successful opening combination of Champions Trophy which proved vital against strong teams. While on the other hand, Imam performed against a much weaker side Srilanka.

Performing in major ICC event like Champions Trophy against big teams, is totally different with performing in UAE against weakest teams like Srilanka. Totally different. Imam will get failed if he will play in New Zealand as an opener.

Fakhar & Azhar is the proved opening combination, no need to disturb that
 
Even Boult is quite overrated on this forum. He is very inconsistent these days. But yes, it is a very important tour for Fakhar to show that he can play against good fast bowlers.

You don't know your cricket, Boult consistently bowls 137-142 and has superb control. Add his swing and he is a very lethal bowler.

Southee is overrated though.
 
New Zealand will bowl well at home and Pakistan top order will be crucial for the team to put up some decent totals. Boult especially will be the main weapon for New Zealand and if Pakistan can see him off then they can put up 250+ totals consistently. Also New Zealand bowling will test Pakistan with lots of short pitched stuff.
 
For me, Imam should play. He was given a chance against Sri Lanka and he did very well. Azhar, apart from the final, was a failure in the champions trophy.
I think he is selected just to thank him for his good innings in the final and he will quickly be dropped from the ODI side- as he should be.

I don't think that Imam ul Haq is the solution of our ODI problems but at least we have given someone a chance so now let him time to show what he can do. He should be given around 15 ODI's before taking a decision on him.

Azhar Ali only failed against South Africa I think. He done good against India in both games, and against England and got a decent start against Sri Lanka too. I expect Azhar to be in the 11 but we'll see
 
NZ will bowl well , they have good pace attack , specially Boult . Pakistan need to prepare counter plans for that.
They will need to prepare hard for that and also implement that , execute that.
 
If Azhar can tame the ball in the early overs , I sense that Fakhar will score centuries at the other end.
 
It depends on how our openers respond to there attack. If we go to a decent start within the first 10 overs without losing a wicket we should be fine. Fakhar will finally be playing on pitches with good bounce and the ball coming onto the bat nicely, Azhar will get himself settled in and take his time, he will basically try to play the anchor role.
 
When was the last time Pakistan beat NZ in an ODI series?

Things aren't set in stone. How did Pakistan beat India during Ct trophy when India is ranked even higher than Nz ? Sometimes you just have to look beyond stats and such. Pakistan is going with top ranked bowlers Batsmen that are evenly balanced and good solid fielders.
 
Pak should go with :

01 - Fakhar Zaman (imam ul haq as backup)
02 - Sarfraz Ahmed
03 - Azhar Ali
04 - Babar Azam
05 - Shoaib Malik
06 - Muhammad Hafeez (imam ul haq as backup)
07 - Fahim Ashraf (amir yamin as backup)
08 - Shadab Khan
09 - Muhammad Amir
10 - Hasan Ali
11 - Rumman Raees
 
Pak should go with :

01 - Fakhar Zaman (imam ul haq as backup)
02 - Sarfraz Ahmed
03 - Azhar Ali
04 - Babar Azam
05 - Shoaib Malik
06 - Muhammad Hafeez (imam ul haq as backup)
07 - Fahim Ashraf (amir yamin as backup)
08 - Shadab Khan
09 - Muhammad Amir
10 - Hasan Ali
11 - Rumman Raees
Changing the batting position of your best bat is a big gamble and pak wont do it.
 
Sarfaraz is a sensible batsman,i think pakistan is not utilising his batting skills.
Last year in asia cup he was the only calm head when all other batsmen were
brainlessly slogging(vs ind).
In ct 2017 vs sri lanka he showed again that he is amongst the best bats in pak.
He needs to step up. Dhoni did the same thing he never stepped up and as a result we are suffering from this middle order problem
 
Azhar Ali starts for me no doubt. He played a vital role in the Champions Trophy win and has always looked to improve as a one day player. A batsman who has really improved as the years have gone by. I reckon him and Fakhar best option at the top.
When and if the series is dead, then we should play Imam for Azhar.
 
It can't .Boult and southee are going to have a merry time unless for some reason pitches are flat.Its up to pak bowling line up.

The pitch does not affect othodox swing, only seam movement or lack of it.
 
By releasing the big gun first up :moha

Hobbits will run scared.
 
With the rubbish we've seen for the last few months happening around the world, I hope this series is competitive.
 
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