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How poor was Kohli's knock 50(40) in comparison to Williamson's knock 40(40) in the Semi Finals ?

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Williamson has been receiving so much backlash from Fans, commentators, experts about how his match losing knock led to Kiwi's exit from the Tournament.

So how does Kohli's knock of 50(40) compare to that ?

Kohli's knock came on belter of a track where England scored 170 in 16 overs , it wasn't even a tight contest which went to the last over.

How Poor was Kohli's knock ? India lost only one wicket in the first 9 overs so there no collapse either which Kohli was trying to fix.
 
Imagine if Babar had played that knock the criticism his way would be insane.
 
Williamson on a slower wicket was never going to make quick runs Kohli was worse better pitch better player in T20s he should’ve made more runs.
 
This is a good popcorn thread because we'll get hypocritical support for Kohli.
 
It was similar to Babar's 53(42). Only difference is Babar scored 3 runs more of 2 balls and his opening partner gave him an aggressive start. Both were average knocks.

Kane's 40(40) was poor.

Backlash is because Kane failed against all the top teams while Kohli played an ATG knock vs Pakistan.
 
Kohli's knock was even worse because it came on a track where 200+ looked par score..

These are exactly the type of knocks for which Babar and Rizwan are often criticized.
 
India were probably happy with 168 at the half way stage, so Kohlis knock wasnt poor.
In hindsight it can look poor- but that is the benefit of hindsight.
 
It was similar to Babar's 53(42). Only difference is Babar scored 3 runs more of 2 balls and his opening partner gave him an aggressive start. Both were average knocks.

Kane's 40(40) was poor.

Backlash is because Kane failed against all the top teams while Kohli played an ATG knock vs Pakistan.

Similar to Babar? Babar was chasing the target. And what's this 'his opening partner gave him an aggressive start' **? Is this a new way of taking the credit away from a player you hate the most? Because he performed in a knock out and helped his team reach the final? At least be logical in your criticism for once lol. :inti
 
It was as poor as KL's 5(5). When you are considered King, genius of the game and most senior player, you are supposed to read the pitch and conditions and set the target accordingly.

I was perplexed to see Indian camp already celebrating when they scored 168. This reflects it was poor understanding of the conditions.
 
India were probably happy with 168 at the half way stage, so Kohlis knock wasnt poor.
In hindsight it can look poor- but that is the benefit of hindsight.

Buttler/Hales on flat pitches >>>> pretty much anyone in the world. So saying India couldn't match them is unfair lol Ofcourse Hardik did play a matching knock. Real blame has to be on Rohit sharma who has contributed absolutely nothing. Kohli has been scoring almost every match. Kohli is at the tail end of his career. He might retire soon from T20. Everyone said par score was 168. Nobody knew a tsunami was coming.
 
Kohlis knock was disgraceful.

Williamson is known as a tuk tuk player but Kohli is meant to be a lion in crunch games.

Hopefully next time the umpire can serve up some cheeky no balls and freehits to help him along.
 
Buttler/Hales on flat pitches >>>> pretty much anyone in the world. So saying India couldn't match them is unfair lol Ofcourse Hardik did play a matching knock. Real blame has to be on Rohit sharma who has contributed absolutely nothing. Kohli has been scoring almost every match. Kohli is at the tail end of his career. He might retire soon from T20. Everyone said par score was 168. Nobody knew a tsunami was coming.

Agreed-
Moving onto the final pakistan shouldnt deviate too much from the plan and try to target 200- because you can be 20-3 and not even muster 150, Its better to play the game we know and hustle to a 170 score. Then its up the bowlers to take early wickets and it gives the game a different look. What ever way we look at it, we need shaheen and naseem to strike early and reduce engalnd to 20-3 in the first 4. We can do that
I think Naseem is going to get his rewards inshaAllah for a good tournament
 
lol. They didn't waste time pinning this on Kohli forgetting the fact how even the target of 210 was not safe.

That makes Kohli's knock even more poor and match losing. 50 in 40 balls on a pitch where 210 was not safe . For someone known as Best Batsman, King of Cricket, Champion is back..what kind of pathetic knock was this ? Looked like he only played to boost his average. Better to get out trying to get 50 in 25 balls judging the flatness of the wicket rather than play a run a ball 50 to boost personal average.
 
That makes Kohli's knock even more poor and match losing. 50 in 40 balls on a pitch where 210 was not safe . For someone known as Best Batsman, King of Cricket, Champion is back..what kind of pathetic knock was this ? Looked like he only played to boost his average. Better to get out trying to get 50 in 25 balls judging the flatness of he wickets rather than play a run a ball 50.

210 was not safe in "hindsight". Half way stageeveryone said it was par score. Some said 180 would be defendable. You need two hands to clap. You need both bowling and batting have to click. If your bowling is very poor you can't defend anything
 
The reason why we still rely on Kohli as the mainstay batsman in our team (Same goes to Williamson probably in his team) is the reason for poor performances in this format! Even SKY - the only threatening batsman in this team should have got groomed into this side long back and ideally he should be playing last 2 or 3 years, but unfortunately it is like we have discovered him very recently! We are so backwards in thinking for modern day cricket. England are on a completely different league compared to rest of the teams. Other teams can catch up to them only if they think in those terms. In a T20 team at batsman from 1 to 7 should be ready do go hard, for that you need a young team with average age around 25.
 
It was similar to Babar's 53(42). Only difference is Babar scored 3 runs more of 2 balls and his opening partner gave him an aggressive start. Both were average knocks.

Kane's 40(40) was poor.

Backlash is because Kane failed against all the top teams while Kohli played an ATG knock vs Pakistan.

Wasnt even remotely the same. Babar didnt have to set a target He was chasing a avge target and thus played his innings accordingly He didnt need to blast away

Kohli and co were setting a target and were going along at 6-7 an over for all their innings which was poor considering they had to score as many runs as possible
 
Buttler/Hales on flat pitches >>>> pretty much anyone in the world. So saying India couldn't match them is unfair lol Ofcourse Hardik did play a matching knock. Real blame has to be on Rohit sharma who has contributed absolutely nothing. Kohli has been scoring almost every match. Kohli is at the tail end of his career. He might retire soon from T20. Everyone said par score was 168. Nobody knew a tsunami was coming.

Exactly, blame has to be on openers and bowlers. Kohli has been scoring almost every match and in this game too he played a decent support knock of 50(40), it was at a decent strike rate and not 100 odd and not all games, you will play a perfect knock. Kane and Babar got backlash because they was failing in all games, trend of your performance matters.

Kohli, Surya and Hardik made vital contributions in this tournament but nothing really came from the two openers and bowling attack turned out to be total flop.

If you are losing a game after setting up 168 with a margin of 10 wickets, that is embarrassing for a bowling attack.
 
Wasnt even remotely the same. Babar didnt have to set a target He was chasing a avge target and thus played his innings accordingly He didnt need to blast away

Kohli and co were setting a target and were going along at 6-7 an over for all their innings which was poor considering they had to score as many runs as possible

He didn't have to blast because Rizwan really set it upfront with a 29 of some 16-17 balls. It just made it easier for Babar who was scratchy initially and got a bit of luck with Conway missing half chances. Babar got the time and was able to set it up well.
 
India and Kohli were batting at 100 on this pitch in 15 overs. Meanwhile, England chased the target in 16 overs..Phew ! As is said, Kohli was only playing for average in this match.
 
It was similar to Babar's 53(42). Only difference is Babar scored 3 runs more of 2 balls and his opening partner gave him an aggressive start. Both were average knocks.

Kane's 40(40) was poor.

Backlash is because Kane failed against all the top teams while Kohli played an ATG knock vs Pakistan.

Yesterday’s Babars innings wasn’t the same he did his job and Pakistan won the match.

Last years semi final he played too slow and cost the team a few other matches he’s done that or failed completely like the Asia Cup final but not yesterday.

Babar can’t win a high scoring match in a tournament but he can contribute to a win when the score is in the 140-150 range that’s his main strength or bilaterals against weaker bowling a few high scoring chases can be achieved due to an easier level of bowling.
 
Question: IF Babar have played the same knock right now people would be bashing him...fact is Rohit/Rahul and Kohli to be blamed... when batting first you need to play ruthless cricket and get runs in the Powerplay.
 
Question: IF Babar have played the same knock right now people would be bashing him...fact is Rohit/Rahul and Kohli to be blamed... when batting first you need to play ruthless cricket and get runs in the Powerplay.

As per the analysis Pakistan has one of the best batting depth in this tournament. Even Naseem shah can hit a few sixes. Infact Pakistan doesn't even depend on them. In India's case it is a catch 22 situation. India can implode for less than 100 if SKY and Kohli get out since there is no Jadeja to resurrect.
 
Exactly, blame has to be on openers and bowlers. Kohli has been scoring almost every match and in this game too he played a decent support knock of 50(40), it was at a decent strike rate and not 100 odd and not all games, you will play a perfect knock. Kane and Babar got backlash because they was failing in all games, trend of your performance matters.

Kohli, Surya and Hardik made vital contributions in this tournament but nothing really came from the two openers and bowling attack turned out to be total flop.

If you are losing a game after setting up 168 with a margin of 10 wickets, that is embarrassing for a bowling attack.

Ok, so now the blame has to be on openers but it was not the case when you guys were blaming Karthik for our loss against South Africa? :))) :inti
 
Today's knock was perfect example of how some batsmen getting trapped in their role.
It was subpar innings that did more harm than benefit india.
 
Ok, so now the blame has to be on openers but it was not the case when you guys were blaming Karthik for our loss against South Africa? :))) :inti

:)))

DK deserves blame for loss vs Pak and also vs SA as he batted early up the order.

Lol, I remember your embarrassing comments about DK and KLR, you indeed deserve this humiliation for backing KL Rahul as opener and DK just for the sake of your hatred towards one player lmao :))) :inti
 
Kohli and Rohit made sure India would not score more than 140.

Kohli was 50(40) and Rohit was 27(28). But nothing will be said about their pathetic knocks as they are seniors and legends in ODI cricket.
 
:)))

DK deserves blame for loss vs Pak and also vs SA as he batted early up the order.

Lol, I remember your embarrassing comments about DK and KLR, you indeed deserve this humiliation for backing KL Rahul as opener and DK just for the sake of your hatred towards one player lmao :))) :inti

I had to back KL because there was no other opener in the squad. My first choice were Kishan and Samson since both of them were not in the squad and a dud like Pant was sitting there occupying that spot, had to go with Karthik. Pant did nothing in the last two games. Don't chicken out because I am blaming him now. :91:

And you are blaming DK because he batted early up the order? Why didn't you blame Pant in the semi final of the ODI WC then because he batted above Dhoni? You are embarrassing yourself with every post here. :)))

It's better if you take a good break because you are blaming DK for loss vs Pakistan. We won that match. Just goes to show how much you hate DK and love Pant. :91: :inti
 
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Kohli probably thought he could cash in late on like he did against Pak, but things don't always work out the same was as before.

I guess this is the way he wants to play - steady eddy holding role then swinging for the rafters at the tail end of the innings.
 
So why bash Williamson ? Without his Knock, Pakistan would have chased the score in 12-13 overs also.
Both Kohli and Williamson stick to their roles of anchoring the innings, India was thriving on Kohli & Surya wave reaching the semifinals. No batter in Indian side is capable of what Virat is doing.
 
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Exactly, blame has to be on openers and bowlers. Kohli has been scoring almost every match and in this game too he played a decent support knock of 50(40), it was at a decent strike rate and not 100 odd and not all games, you will play a perfect knock. Kane and Babar got backlash because they was failing in all games, trend of your performance matters.

Kohli, Surya and Hardik made vital contributions in this tournament but nothing really came from the two openers and bowling attack turned out to be total flop.

If you are losing a game after setting up 168 with a margin of 10 wickets, that is embarrassing for a bowling attack.

Decent strike rate il remind you next time you critics babar.
 
Babar can only dream of playing innings like Kohli did at MCG.

Its an insult to Kohli to be compared to a limited player like Babar.

Babar is a better batter than Kohli technically.

Kohli is pretty vulnerable against good swing bowling.
 
Babar can only dream of playing innings like Kohli did at MCG.

Its an insult to Kohli to be compared to a limited player like Babar.

You are still acting ignorant. Babar took his team to final, Kohli didn't. The thread is about Kane's and Kohli's similar kind of innings in the semi final of this world cup. Both these innings were match losing ones. :inti
 
Kholi saves his best for Pakistan.

For those criticising Kholi without him India wouldn’t have even reached the semis
 
Kholi saves his best for Pakistan.

For those criticising Kholi without him India wouldn’t have even reached the semis

You aren't getting the point of this thread. OP is talking about one particular inning of Kohli and comparing it with Kane's inning. :inti
 
To be fair to Kohli, the pitch did seem a lil difficult to bat in the first 10 overs. It played pretty well under lights but we can't even complain about it because 1. Sharma and then later dravid said that we would have anyway batted and 2. The defeat was so comprehensive that conditions can't be brought in consideration. Unfortunately, our strategic thinktank is rigid and lacks flexibility, and that's what you will get with Dravid who seemed more focused on defending bcci when a reporter asked if Indians should be allowed to played in BBL. As far as Kohli is concerned 9 out of 10 times, he makes up for slow starts by accelerating in the end so absolutely no complaints against him.
 
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It was similar to Babar's 53(42). Only difference is Babar scored 3 runs more of 2 balls and his opening partner gave him an aggressive start. Both were average knocks.

Kane's 40(40) was poor.

Backlash is because Kane failed against all the top teams while Kohli played an ATG knock vs Pakistan.

What lol.

Babar was chasing, he knew what was required. Your hero Kolhi should have known England batting is strong, so he needs to speed up to ensure a worthy total was posted but he didnt.

Poor innings from both but Kohli was worse due being up against England batters 2nd innings.
 
Point of the thread is basically to criticise Kholi.

But the bigger picture is being overlooked which is the value which Kholi brings, regardless of todays performance.

I’m guessing Rohit, Rahul and Sky were not playing today?
 
Babar can only dream of playing innings like Kohli did at MCG.

Its an insult to Kohli to be compared to a limited player like Babar.

We dont worship our cricketers. Babar is a far better batsmen than Kohli right now. Its time for Virat to hang up his boots and stick to playing trundlers in Bollywood IPL.
 
Indian fans could not accept any criticism of Tendulkar and they are now doing the same with Kohli. You guys need to man up and accept a match losing knock when you see one.
 
We dont worship our cricketers. Babar is a far better batsmen than Kohli right now. Its time for Virat to hang up his boots and stick to playing trundlers in Bollywood IPL.

Who is this we? And why should i care about what this we does?

Babar isnt even on the same street that Kohli is in.
 
Indian fans could not accept any criticism of Tendulkar and they are now doing the same with Kohli. You guys need to man up and accept a match losing knock when you see one.

Kohli was thoroughly criticized in last 2 years for his poor form. But today he did what he was supposed to do. Else, a SA match like procession was beckoning.

Kohli cannot be faulted for the problems of team management and selectors.
 
Who is this we? And why should i care about what this we does?

Babar isnt even on the same street that Kohli is in.

We is Pakistanis. Nobody asked you to care lol.

No sane person who understand cricket will say this. Kohli is at the end of his career , Babar at his peak. But not on the same street, he lives in a Pakistani street. :)

Btw Sorry for the pain your going through after the humiliation of today but think before you type.
 
Kohli kept India in game. His knock allowed India to be 100-3 in 15, which then allowed Hardik to launch. Kohli's role has always been of an anchor. Rohit-Rahul failed at their job. Had we scored 60 in powerplay. Our final total would've been 190.

The margin of defeat wasn't because of pitch but because of no-show on the field. After poor first 2 overs, shoulders dropped and we just lost the game mentally.
 
Even if Kholi played a knock at a SR of 150 and scored 60 (40) - todays England team were chasing anything.

Had Williamson done the same NZ could have won.
 
Kohli was thoroughly criticized in last 2 years for his poor form. But today he did what he was supposed to do. Else, a SA match like procession was beckoning.

Kohli cannot be faulted for the problems of team management and selectors.

That was a poor SR in a semi final match when he didn't come in a pressure crisis situation and when there was plenty of batting to come. He should have accelerated way earlier and not cared about playing for his 50. The team should have come first.
 
Kohli kept India in game. His knock allowed India to be 100-3 in 15, which then allowed Hardik to launch. Kohli's role has always been of an anchor. Rohit-Rahul failed at their job. Had we scored 60 in powerplay. Our final total would've been 190.

The margin of defeat wasn't because of pitch but because of no-show on the field. After poor first 2 overs, shoulders dropped and we just lost the game mentally.

India also missed a trick in not playing a leggie. It seemed at one point Ashwin was more of a medium pacer than Bhuvi...
 
Babar can only dream of playing innings like Kohli did at MCG.

Its an insult to Kohli to be compared to a limited player like Babar.


Babar is having the last laugh here Hes playing in a World Cup final in Melbourne whereas kohli and co are on their way home via indian airlines

why dont you address the thread point And the fact hes faltered in a big semi and along with sharma messed up indian chances of a final
 
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That's fine he's limited but that Innings Kohli played today was very very poor ;)

And at least Babar doesn't need to dream about being back at the MCG. ;-)

On the other hand, Kohli might be dreaming about it in the plane on the way back home.
 
Not sure why some indian fans get so defensive about india and its players that they cant speak or hear any criticism of them

The fact you havent won a t20 final since the inaugural competition despite all the money, resources and quality of players needs addressing and wont be by burying your heads in the sand
 
Kohli hit a boundary in the 7th over and after that he was just happy taking singles until the end of the 15th over. All this time the run rate was 6 runs per over and India were only 2 and then 3(11.2 overs) down

What was Kohli thinking?
 
Not sure why some indian fans get so defensive about india and its players that they cant speak or hear any criticism of them

The fact you havent won a t20 final since the inaugural competition despite all the money, resources and quality of players needs addressing and wont be by burying your heads in the sand

Pant was picked mainly to combat leggies. India did not change the batting order. Everyone played their usual roles. By the Pant came in spinners were done with 7 overs. India's rigid , inflexible batting order despite repeated failure from the top order was extremely old school. Something you would expect from think tank headed by Dravid. He doesn't understand the concept of how you should throw the first punch despite playing in several world cups. Especially in T20 you must land the first punch. England did by getting rid of timid Rahul and completely shut them down with some mediocre bowling which was the most annoying part.
 
India fans will do anything to make sure Kohli doesn't get criticism.
Count me out of Kohli fans. I don't condone what he did yesterday, completely tied down by English spinners who bowled 8/20 overs.
 
Kohli hit a boundary in the 7th over and after that he was just happy taking singles until the end of the 15th over. All this time the run rate was 6 runs per over and India were only 2 and then 3(11.2 overs) down

What was Kohli thinking?
This.

How can anyone forget this while shielding Kohli from all blame?
 
Singles or doubles don't win you games on a flat deck especially against a batting unit like England has.

You have to clear the ropes multiple times to stand any chance against this marauding batting line-up.

Kohli being the most experienced and the batsman with most pedigree in the team should have known better.
 
This.

How can anyone forget this while shielding Kohli from all blame?

I love Kohli and felt that he had it in him to do something special against England, but those 7 overs where he was not even trying to take doubles was shocking, especially when you have Hardik and Pant coming next

btw I wanted India vs Pakistan final
 
Kohli's was worst.:

1. The batting wonditions were better yesterday than in Sydney.
2. Williamson was facing a good bowling line up, Kohli was facing Jordan, Woakes, Curran, Rashid and Livingstone.
3. Kohli was happily striking 100 with just batsman down at 9 overs 56.
 
Kohli's was worst.:

1. The batting wonditions were better yesterday than in Sydney.
2. Williamson was facing a good bowling line up, Kohli was facing Jordan, Woakes, Curran, Rashid and Livingstone.
3. Kohli was happily striking 100 with just batsman down at 9 overs 56.

Look who is back. :)))
 
Look who is back. :)))
Was absent from before the world cup because of personal issues and the only time I posted in this time was to say well played to Kohli after India's victory against Pakistan.
 
Not poor at all. It was Rohit Sharma who cost us the match, not Kohli.

Kohli's innings was well paced, but he was unlucky to get out instantly after his 50.

We all know his batting ability in last 3-4 overs.

That 50 in 40 balls may look ordinary, but if not that great catch by Adil Rashid, Kohli would have definitely finish good. India almost lost 15-20 runs because of Kohli's untimely dismissal.
 
Not poor at all. It was Rohit Sharma who cost us the match, not Kohli.

Kohli's innings was well paced, but he was unlucky to get out instantly after his 50.

We all know his batting ability in last 3-4 overs.

That 50 in 40 balls may look ordinary, but if not that great catch by Adil Rashid, Kohli would have definitely finish good. India almost lost 15-20 runs because of Kohli's untimely dismissal.

He is the lack of understanding of the game.
And what if he added 20 quick scores in the last 4 overs? India would have scored 78 in last 4 instead of 58?
It was already the best 4 overs India could have hoped for. Kohli staying could have just damaged them, surely not better this score.
The problem was the first 16 overs, especially the first 10, in witch he was sleeping. This is were India lost the match.
 
Lol at Kohli's innings being well paced. It was anything but well paced. He totally sucked out life out of Indian innings.
 
Lol at Kohli's innings being well paced. It was anything but well paced. He totally sucked out life out of Indian innings.

Kohli is good vs pace but not very good vs spin. This strike rate issue will cost us matches in future which is why we must need to phase him out from T20Is as well. Just because he did well this tournament shouldn't mean that he gets a free pass for one more tournament. The trend suggests he is mostly done.
 
I feel watching Kohlis innings. He played for himself. Didn’t go into the 5th gear. Stats matter to this obnoxious cricketer.
 
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