How the earth will be 1000 years from now?

[Rajdeep]

I think we have seen the best of transition and inventions of mankind in our lifetime.

Folks who lived in 90s would remember world was a different place back then. Black and white television, hand written letters, audio cassetes where we would sometime insert pensil to fix the reel, walkman - these were part and parcel of life. To talk to someone special without disturbance, we would head to the nearest pay coin phone booth. If its a STD call, mostly we call after 9pm when its cheaper.

Then the internet era started in 2000s where we upgraded from hand written letters to emails and yahoo messangers. Nokia 3315 was the latest technology and SMS was something we were still learning. It was also the time when we shifted from audio cassetests to CDs and VCD players were replaced with VCD players.

Then came social media era with the inception of orkut in 2006. From there we we transitioned to Facebook, whatsapp, twitter and what not. Nokia 3315s changed to smart phones and TVs changed to smart tv.

Now we have everything - video calling, netflix, twitter, spootify, internet starts, dating apps, social media dissents everything. Human being has evolved a lot in last 30 years from hand written letters to where we are today.

This begs the question - if we can evolve so much in 30 years, how the earth will be 1000 years from now? How the civilization would look like? Will humans still be there on earth?

This is what I think earth would like and humans would be in 3020:

1) We will be multi planet species - humans will live in earth, mars and probably some other planets. Just as we have commercial flights now, we would have commercial soace crafts. We would buy holiday tickets for a trip to Venus perhaps.

2) We will be half human half robot - When a new child is born, softwares will be planted inside the body. It would enable them to have a touch screen at the arm which would act like smart phone today, have much stronger immune system, brains will act as calculators, gravityfree etc.

3) Flying cars - Cars will be automatic where drivers are not required and will fly in air. There will also be flying gas stations and restaurants like we have ISS currently.

4) Everyone speaks 1 language - Dialetcs will change and we all will be mono lingual people.

5) We will defeat death - I think we will find out the ultimate truth and defeat death in someway.

What do you think how the earth and humans would be in 1000 years from now?

 

[andy0204]

We will become lazy *** who will use technology to do toilet.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Machines will be doing all the work.
Humans will become part machines and will be living for hundreds of years.

 

[gazza619]

Judgment day is round the corner or some lunatic going to hit the atomic button sooner or later. Either way humans aint surviving 1000 more years.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Judgment day is round the corner or some lunatic going to hit the atomic button sooner or later. Either way humans aint surviving 1000 more years.

It takes several nuclear weapons to completely destroy earth. People are not going to go anywhere and no one will use nuclear weapons. In fact when Artificial intelligence takes over the world, the nuclear weapons will be only used in outer space in case of alien invasions or during an unlikely occurrence of an Asteroid or Comet hitting Earth.

 

[ahmedzee]

So in OP, we are told we will have flying cars. How? There is a certain thrust that needs to be provided to cars and then the cars should be fast enough (as fast as planes) to fly through atmosphere. Give it million years, there won't be flying cars.

We may see a breakthrough of humanoids for sure in the next 1000 years, and health care would be very efficient (the chip theory seems realistic even for 100 years, not just 1000).

We definitely would be multi planet species, not just in 1000 years, but in 30 (our lifetime).

In regards to language, yes, there might be several languages but everyone would have some kind of language converter and they can't understand all languages.

Lastly, we can never defeat death.

 

[Robert]

I think we have seen the best of transition and inventions of mankind in our lifetime.

Folks who lived in 90s would remember world was a different place back then. Black and white television, hand written letters, audio cassetes where we would sometime insert pensil to fix the reel, walkman - these were part and parcel of life. To talk to someone special without disturbance, we would head to the nearest pay coin phone booth. If its a STD call, mostly we call after 9pm when its cheaper.

Then the internet era started in 2000s where we upgraded from hand written letters to emails and yahoo messangers. Nokia 3315 was the latest technology and SMS was something we were still learning. It was also the time when we shifted from audio cassetests to CDs and VCD players were replaced with VCD players.

Then came social media era with the inception of orkut in 2006. From there we we transitioned to Facebook, whatsapp, twitter and what not. Nokia 3315s changed to smart phones and TVs changed to smart tv.

Now we have everything - video calling, netflix, twitter, spootify, internet starts, dating apps, social media dissents everything. Human being has evolved a lot in last 30 years from hand written letters to where we are today.

This begs the question - if we can evolve so much in 30 years, how the earth will be 1000 years from now? How the civilization would look like? Will humans still be there on earth?

This is what I think earth would like and humans would be in 3020:

1) We will be multi planet species - humans will live in earth, mars and probably some other planets. Just as we have commercial flights now, we would have commercial soace crafts. We would buy holiday tickets for a trip to Venus perhaps.

2) We will be half human half robot - When a new child is born, softwares will be planted inside the body. It would enable them to have a touch screen at the arm which would act like smart phone today, have much stronger immune system, brains will act as calculators, gravityfree etc.

3) Flying cars - Cars will be automatic where drivers are not required and will fly in air. There will also be flying gas stations and restaurants like we have ISS currently.

4) Everyone speaks 1 language - Dialetcs will change and we all will be mono lingual people.

5) We will defeat death - I think we will find out the ultimate truth and defeat death in someway.

What do you think how the earth and humans would be in 1000 years from now?

By 2200 we will have damaged the environment to the point where most species will have gone extinct but by 3000 we will be able to reset things and bring species back.

Work as we understand it will have stopped and AI far more capable than humans will run everything. War will no longer exist as a concept. Nanomachines will help us live vastly extended lifespans, and grant us superpowers. We will be able to grow wings, or gills, or pseudopods as easily as changing clothes.

Nobody will believe in God any more.

We will have terraformed Mars, Titan, Ganymede and have bases on planets around Proxima and Sirius.

 

[TSA321]

See this
https://www.futuretimeline.net/the-far-future-3000-9999.htm

 

[Zeshan547]

By 2200 we will have damaged the environment to the point where most species will have gone extinct but by 3000 we will be able to reset things and bring species back.

Work as we understand it will have stopped and AI far more capable than humans will run everything. War will no longer exist as a concept. Nanomachines will help us live vastly extended lifespans, and grant us superpowers. We will be able to grow wings, or gills, or pseudopods as easily as changing clothes.

Nobody will believe in God any more.

We will have terraformed Mars, Titan, Ganymede and have bases on planets around Proxima and Sirius.

Are we talking about fiction or reality? We have achieved a lot in last 1000 years but still the things you did maybe possible in 10,000 years but not in next 1000 years for sure specially your claims about traveling to different stars and their planets. Just not feasible.

 

[Suleiman]

Flying cars is very very tough to implement. 100 years ago they predicted something like that in 2020, but the costs are insane not to mention air traffic and whatnot. Imagine a collision at that height if flying cars are accessible to everyone, it’ll be insanity.

I do think genetic modification is possible- which is HUGE. Being able to hack into your own genetic code is like cheat codes in a video game.

Also with people recently getting into mental health and new discoveries about the brain, I wonder how that will develop as well in a few centuries if we’re still here

 

[Tubs]

Bionics will be huge, I'm a PhD student in a pretty big robotics lab and the prosthetics research group is doing some great work. Though, if we're talking about 1000 years, perhaps they could recreate/reform limbs by then.

AI is an obvious and huge one. The great fear of an AI takeover could already be realised, or at least the superintelligent being will be locked away somewhere with no escape. Artificial life will likely be a thing too (currently we're stuck with basic simulations, and some pretty cool soft-bodied robots), and will likely have the same/similar rights to humans in law assuming they have comparable cognitive faculty. That will likely be a huge moral dilemma down the line.

Breakthroughs in neuroscience will be applied to computational neuroscience, which could have huge implications on the privacy of our own thoughts. Very scary to think about, eh?

Veganism will be the norm (either due to abolition of farming, lab-grown meat, or a combination of both). I believe that is one of the biggest moral issues of our time, and likely in a hundred years or so, there will be a huge attitude shift in the usage of non-human animals as commodities, and the intense suffering they are subjected to. I am certain that lab-grown meat will be the final nail in the coffin, as there certainly will be people who value their sensory pleasure over the life of another sentient being.

Religion will likely be in a huge decline, perhaps treated the same as occult, conspiracy and the like are today. Obviously, god can never be falsified, but neither can unicorns, fairies, or Russell's teapot.

There probably will have been numerous pandemics from now until then.

I suppose space will be the most remarkable thing to us. Will we have colonised Mars by then? Likely so. Will we have made contact with other life (intelligent or otherwise)? Maybe. Will we have finally figured out the origins of the universe? Now that is the question, one that I (as a complete layman) think can never be solved, especially if the cyclical hypothesis is true.


Great thread, has really made me think.

 

[Nadeemp]

Will test cricket be still around?

 

[Arsal_AK]

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[Arsal_AK]

1000 years is a long long time and world will be very different. Ideas that we can't even dream about at the moment, technologies we didn't think possible will be commonplace.

Space is the easiest to predict. Even if stuff like wormholes or other FTL methods don't pan out (that we know of or otherwise), even then with our current technology we can colonize the solar system at least. So we will be a mutliplanetary society. Infact forget a thousand years, it might happen by 2050 and a few decades after than truly self sustainable as well.

Looking ahead Fusion, antimatter drives, black hole engines, all are possible physically, allowing us to reach a good fraction of the speed of light.
We can go Interstellar, again without FTL tech, especially if we are see breakthroughs in aging. Even otherwise by using generational starships.
AI goes without saying will be unrecognizable and with a future version of BMI we will have merged with it. It could of course go the other way around too and that won't be pretty.

We will have cured terminal disease by then, it might happen in our lifetime. Genetic engineering, Nanotechnology are changing what's possible by the year.

Alien contact, who knows? The probability certainly increases as we go forward and with us being in different star systems, having vastly better listening and observing equipment, imagine the telescopes of the future when we can build ones in a decade that can image worlds of other stars.

Lastly who knows what science will be like by then. And that is what will put limits on technology.

Just on thing can change so much for example:

- If we discover FTL. Can you imagine the leap it will be?

Hundreds of worlds within your grasp. How many civilizations and species will we encounter. How much will we learn and then how much with that impact our worldview.

- What if it turns out time travel is possible.

Imagine the chaos.

- What if by advancement in neuroscience and material science/CMP results in Neuralink realizing its full potential?

Conversing with just thoughts, uploading/downloading memories, healing brain injuries and diseases and more.

Artificial Intelligence and Quantum Computing can also be huge factors in us pushing ahead even faster. If both reach their promise we will have hire Breakthroughs in chemistry math and physics especially problems like superconductivity, climate modelling, protein unfolding to name a few. And this is just the next fifty years or so.

 

[Nadeemp]

1000 years is a long long time and world will be very different. Ideas that we can't even dream about at the moment, technologies we didn't think possible will be commonplace.

Space is the easiest to predict. Even if stuff like wormholes or other FTL methods don't pan out (that we know of or otherwise), even then with our current technology we can colonize the solar system at least. So we will be a mutliplanetary society. Infact forget a thousand years, it might happen by 2050 and a few decades after than truly self sustainable as well.

Looking ahead Fusion, antimatter drives, black hole engines, all are possible physically, allowing us to reach a good fraction of the speed of light.
We can go Interstellar, again without FTL tech, especially if we are see breakthroughs in aging. Even otherwise by using generational starships.
AI goes without saying will be unrecognizable and with a future version of BMI we will have merged with it. It could of course go the other way around too and that won't be pretty.

We will have cured terminal disease by then, it might happen in our lifetime. Genetic engineering, Nanotechnology are changing what's possible by the year.

Alien contact, who knows? The probability certainly increases as we go forward and with us being in different star systems, having vastly better listening and observing equipment, imagine the telescopes of the future when we can build ones in a decade that can image worlds of other stars.

Lastly who knows what science will be like by then. And that is what will put limits on technology.

Just on thing can change so much for example:

- If we discover FTL. Can you imagine the leap it will be?

Hundreds of worlds within your grasp. How many civilizations and species will we encounter. How much will we learn and then how much with that impact our worldview.

- What if it turns out time travel is possible.

Imagine the chaos.

- What if by advancement in neuroscience and material science/CMP results in Neuralink realizing its full potential?

Conversing with just thoughts, uploading/downloading memories, healing brain injuries and diseases and more.

Artificial Intelligence and Quantum Computing can also be huge factors in us pushing ahead even faster. If both reach their promise we will have hire Breakthroughs in chemistry math and physics especially problems like superconductivity, climate modelling, protein unfolding to name a few. And this is just the next fifty years or so.

What’s FTL

 

[Arsal_AK]

What’s FTL

Sorry I thought I had put it in there. Faster than light.

 

[Pakpak]

Bionics will be huge, I'm a PhD student in a pretty big robotics lab and the prosthetics research group is doing some great work. Though, if we're talking about 1000 years, perhaps they could recreate/reform limbs by then.

AI is an obvious and huge one. The great fear of an AI takeover could already be realised, or at least the superintelligent being will be locked away somewhere with no escape. Artificial life will likely be a thing too (currently we're stuck with basic simulations, and some pretty cool soft-bodied robots), and will likely have the same/similar rights to humans in law assuming they have comparable cognitive faculty. That will likely be a huge moral dilemma down the line.

Breakthroughs in neuroscience will be applied to computational neuroscience, which could have huge implications on the privacy of our own thoughts. Very scary to think about, eh?

Veganism will be the norm (either due to abolition of farming, lab-grown meat, or a combination of both). I believe that is one of the biggest moral issues of our time, and likely in a hundred years or so, there will be a huge attitude shift in the usage of non-human animals as commodities, and the intense suffering they are subjected to. I am certain that lab-grown meat will be the final nail in the coffin, as there certainly will be people who value their sensory pleasure over the life of another sentient being.

Religion will likely be in a huge decline, perhaps treated the same as occult, conspiracy and the like are today. Obviously, god can never be falsified, but neither can unicorns, fairies, or Russell's teapot.

There probably will have been numerous pandemics from now until then.

I suppose space will be the most remarkable thing to us. Will we have colonised Mars by then? Likely so. Will we have made contact with other life (intelligent or otherwise)? Maybe. Will we have finally figured out the origins of the universe? Now that is the question, one that I (as a complete layman) think can never be solved, especially if the cyclical hypothesis is true.


Great thread, has really made me think.

Have you read the Fermi Paradox? Its very thoughtful, amazing and scary at the same time.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

People are severely underestimating human greed and their hunger for power.

In 2020, we produce so much food that we have a real problem of what to do with waste food. And of course, we still have malnourished people around the world.
We are already destroying this planet at an alarming rate.

Especially, the "first world", the 1%, the intelligent ones, the decision makers, the chosen ones and the so called leaders, must be held responsible.

Our scientists are screaming at top of their lungs and we still keep on ignoring and continue with our unpredecented destruction of the green planet.

We must take some serious decisions or otherwise we might end up killing all the species and ourselves within a few hundred years...

 

[Robert]

Are we talking about fiction or reality? We have achieved a lot in last 1000 years but still the things you did maybe possible in 10,000 years but not in next 1000 years for sure specially your claims about traveling to different stars and their planets. Just not feasible.

Why not? If we can build an ion drive ship that can get up to say 0.25C then we can be at Proxima after a twenty year flight.

 

[Giannis]

Hopefully Armageddon comes before that.

 

[Tubs]

Have you read the Fermi Paradox? Its very thoughtful, amazing and scary at the same time.

Just have it a quick read, and it makes a lot of sense. I always harp on about needing evidence to substantiate things, so I probably shouldn't make assumptions about extra-terrestrial life.

 

[Zeshan547]

Why not? If we can build an ion drive ship that can get up to say 0.25C then we can be at Proxima after a twenty year flight.

Not happening in this time frame maybe in about 10,000 years if we homo sapiens don't self destruct, and that's big big if.

 

[Rajdeep]

Not sure why many saying flying cars is not possible. I mean 1000 years is a long long time and our technology would be so advanced that flying cars would be very much a possibility. Who would have thought 100 years ago that we will have a flying station 400kms above earth? But today its a reality.

With advancement of medical science, the avg lifespan of humans is increasing. So the population will be much higher 1000 years from now. As a result there will be lot more vehicles than roads can sustain. So flying cars will be the only solution.

Another possibilty (if not flying cars) is there will be lots of multilayered flyovers all around the world to regulate traffic. Some of them may be as high as Burj Khalifa today or even higher.

We can only wonder.

 

[Firebat]

Climate change will make the world look severely different to now, we might not even be here in 1000 years, but who knows what we'd be able to do with technology in the future. Possibilities are endless. At some point, if not already, technology will become too powerful or dangerous though. Right now you can legally buy a full semi-automatic military assault rifle. Who knows what people could get their hands on in 1000 years. A disintegration gun?

 

[Syed1]

Climate change is slated to have devastating effects by 2100 and these guys are talking about a 1000 years

 

[Syed1]

Also people think of technology as some magic hat where new trick after new trick will be pulled out. As it is the pace of tech development is slowing down. In layman terms your computer is built up of millions of transistors (think of them as on off switches). Now traditionally the way computers were made faster was by packing more and more transistors on the same footprint by making the transistors as small as possible. Now the transistor size has fallen to 5-7nm and companies are struggling to go any lower as performance is not stable. I do forsee that at some point in the future the transistor will become even smaller but the smallest you can go is the size of a few atoms at which point you won't be able to make computer any faster.



Mind you I'm talking about traditional computing. There is quantum computing as well which is a whole another beast. I'm not that knowledgeable on the matter.

 

[sweep_shot]

1000 years!

Will we survive that long? That's the question.

If we get that far, we should become much more advanced technologically.

 

[Nadeemp]

We have lived a very wasteful existence so far . Once we start running out of raw materials we will be digging through all the garbage we dumped underground.

 

[Pakpak]

Just have it a quick read, and it makes a lot of sense. I always harp on about needing evidence to substantiate things, so I probably shouldn't make assumptions about extra-terrestrial life.

Nah to be fair if you look at the size of the universe we can still reasonably assume there is life somewhere. What that life constitutes off we can debate, the Fermi paradox though is only one explaination but I found it fascinating.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just watch Wall-E.

Frankly a riddiculous question seeing as none of us, or our future 30+ generations will be alive to answer or verify.

Move on.

 

[Tubs]

Nah to be fair if you look at the size of the universe we can still reasonably assume there is life somewhere. What that life constitutes off we can debate, the Fermi paradox though is only one explaination but I found it fascinating.

I get what you're saying, but after looking up that paradox, I see some probabilistic arguments for life on other planets. I don't see how that's feasible as we don't have any data to do any probabilistic analysis. But yeah, I'm sure we can conjecture some stuff, but I'll leave that to the astrobiologists haha- it's way above my head.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Just watch Wall-E.

Frankly a riddiculous question seeing as none of us, or our future 30+ generations will be alive to answer or verify.

Move on.

Nah, it is a completely valid question. I believe it is the very nature of human beings to wonder and imagine.

 

[gazza619]

I am sure pakpassion will be still around

 

[KingKhanWC]

By 2200 we will have damaged the environment to the point where most species will have gone extinct but by 3000 we will be able to reset things and bring species back.

Work as we understand it will have stopped and AI far more capable than humans will run everything. War will no longer exist as a concept. Nanomachines will help us live vastly extended lifespans, and grant us superpowers. We will be able to grow wings, or gills, or pseudopods as easily as changing clothes.

Nobody will believe in God any more.

We will have terraformed Mars, Titan, Ganymede and have bases on planets around Proxima and Sirius.

This far fetched as one can get.

Humans are not evolving into peace loving animals but greedy selfish beasts who are more likely to kill others day than they were 1000 years ago.

In the next 100 years you will see a nuclear war which will destroy most of the planet and take billions of lives. In a 1000 years the world will not exist.

But if it does, what gives you the impression people will stop believing in God?

 

[miandadrules]

The next revolution will probably the biological revolution.

We might not even be recognisable, provided we survive as a species.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I get what you're saying, but after looking up that paradox, I see some probabilistic arguments for life on other planets. I don't see how that's feasible as we don't have any data to do any probabilistic analysis. But yeah, I'm sure we can conjecture some stuff, but I'll leave that to the astrobiologists haha- it's way above my head.

But isn't that part of what the Fermi paradox argues - maybe any other life/species/entity has such a nature that we may not recognize it. Maybe they operate in a different plane/sphere/dimension to our physical 3D realm and as a result us beaming off radio signals in random direction from Earth does not return a response?

 

[Third_Umpire]

Things that won’t be around in 100 years:
- eating meat
- God/religion
- human beings doing non-knowledge work (ie. Manual labor)
- car accidents (close to zero)
- cancer, heart disease

 

[Zeshan547]

Things that won’t be around in 100 years:
- eating meat
- God/religion
- human beings doing non-knowledge work (ie. Manual labor)
- car accidents (close to zero)
- cancer, heart disease

All these will remain specially the religion bit and I fear religious extremism will only get worse.

 

[Robert]

This far fetched as one can get.

Humans are not evolving into peace loving animals but greedy selfish beasts who are more likely to kill others day than they were 1000 years ago.

In the next 100 years you will see a nuclear war which will destroy most of the planet and take billions of lives. In a 1000 years the world will not exist.

But if it does, what gives you the impression people will stop believing in God?

We are kinder than a thousand years ago. Look at the courts system - vengeance is replaced by mercy.

We could have a nuclear war and humanity would not be destroyed, though knocked back a century of development. The Northern hemisphere would be rendered uninhabitable but the South would continue.

Belief in gods has collapsed in Europe since WW2. As societies become more advanced and more educated, empirical understanding of nature increases and the “god of the gaps” has less and less gaps in knowledge to occupy.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I think the 20th century (1900-2000) will be known as the greatest century of tech evolution in history of mankind. Transport, communication and processing power took a seismic and unprecedented leap forward in the form of vehicles/tv/radio/computers and has made the world a lot smaller, efficient and less mysterious than we imagined.

Any new advance will now be incremental and not as path breaking as what we saw in the 20th century.

 

[Third_Umpire]

All these will remain specially the religion bit and I fear religious extremism will only get worse.

To give religion another 100 years is already too generous. I’d wager it’s gone way before that.

The others are just a result of technologic and moral progress of our society.

 

[Pakpak]

To give religion another 100 years is already too generous. I’d wager it’s gone way before that.

The others are just a result of technologic and moral progress of our society.

100 years is too optimistic. It'll take a few more hundred years. You look at the Muslims in UK for instance who are only getting more religious. Or even sections of Pakistan. 100 years is more or less 2 generations. I feel it'll take longer but it will happen eventually.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We are kinder than a thousand years ago. Look at the courts system - vengeance is replaced by mercy.

Not true. Look at the last 100 years , more people have been killed by humans than in the previous 1000 years. The nuke was used only half a century or so ago. The weapons we have today can destroy the whole planet within an hour or so. Murders have risen over the last 50 years, people are killing others for no reason at all now in many cases. I could go into so much detail but I think you wouldnt be saying this if you lived in Iraq or Syria.

We could have a nuclear war and humanity would not be destroyed, though knocked back a century of development. The Northern hemisphere would be rendered uninhabitable but the South would continue.

Not if this is a world war with hundreds of nukes being used, the planet will be pretty much uninhabitable.

Belief in gods has collapsed in Europe since WW2. As societies become more advanced and more educated, empirical understanding of nature increases and the “god of the gaps” has less and less gaps in knowledge to occupy.

In Europe it's due to materlism not because of advancment. When Europe goes back to the dark ages in years to come, you will see a reverse. Besides Europe accounts only for 2% of the world, the smalles continent on the planet. Humans will never be able to answer what was before the big bang, it will be theories and guesses as no data can be found, thus the question of where did we come from will always remain, so God will be revelvant until humans are no more.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We are kinder than a thousand years ago. Look at the courts system - vengeance is replaced by mercy.

We could have a nuclear war and humanity would not be destroyed, though knocked back a century of development. The Northern hemisphere would be rendered uninhabitable but the South would continue.

Belief in gods has collapsed in Europe since WW2. As societies become more advanced and more educated, empirical understanding of nature increases and the “god of the gaps” has less and less gaps in knowledge to occupy.

You must be joking. Humanity was destroyed by the nuclear strikes unleashed by the Americans on Japan. Since then we have seen carpet bombing, chemical weapons and now drone technology which all use flying technology to drop munitions on heavily populated areas. If that is humanity then something went wrong somewhere.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You must be joking. Humanity was destroyed by the nuclear strikes unleashed by the Americans on Japan. Since then we have seen carpet bombing, chemical weapons and now drone technology which all use flying technology to drop munitions on heavily populated areas. If that is humanity then something went wrong somewhere.

Im sure Robert wont mind but we have discussed this and he believes the nukeS were neccesary.

According to a report there are around 400,000 murders anually across the globe. This doesnt include terrorism state or by a group. Its becoming easier and easier to harm and kill.

 

[Mamoon]

State cruelty is rampant today but people are more humane at an individual level.

You go back a thousand years and nearly every adult man who lived a long life had to kill a few people to get to that stage.

However, that was how life worked at that time. There was no systematic production of and utilization of resources and people had to fight for it. It was survival of the fittest.

There is also greater awareness of human rights, animal rights, environmental issues etc. today.

Crime will always exist, but the way people react to crime has evolved for the better in the last thousand years.

 

[Mamoon]

Im sure Robert wont mind but we have discussed this and he believes the nukeS were neccesary.

According to a report there are around 400,000 murders anually across the globe. This doesnt include terrorism state or by a group. Its becoming easier and easier to harm and kill.

It is an interesting debate and people should look to keep an open mind IMO.

The Japanese were as cruel as the Nazis if not more. Would they have been restrained without nukes?

Were the atom bombs more cruel than what the Japanese did in Nanjing, China? Look it up if you don’t know about it.

On the other hand, the U.S. has been responsible for every major global conflict since WWII and they wouldn’t have been in a position of supreme power without the emergence of nukes.

 

[miandadrules]

The number of conflicts has decreased but the casualties have increased.

Because we mechanised killing.

 

[Robert]

You must be joking. Humanity was destroyed by the nuclear strikes unleashed by the Americans on Japan. Since then we have seen carpet bombing, chemical weapons and now drone technology which all use flying technology to drop munitions on heavily populated areas. If that is humanity then something went wrong somewhere.

Dead is dead, dying in nuclear fire is no worse than any other way. “Humanity was destroyed” by every bombing of a major population centre, and the two nuclear strikes were by no means the worst of these. Read up on the firebombing of Tokyo. Without two nuclear strikes the destruction would have continued - the other options were blockade and starve the Japanese mainland into submission, or invade - both at the cost of millions of lives. Consider also the genocides committed by Imperial Japan in China and Korea that were halted by the Japanese surrender.

Then Europe and Japan were rebuilt on democratic lines and the institutions of the rule-based order set up - UN, World Bank, IMF - bringing an end to the horror of the first half of the twentieth century.

 

[KB]

Because we mechanised killing.

There is an amazing book called, Modernity and Holocaust, which was written some time back by the brilliant sociologist, Zygmunt Bauman. He shows that the Nazi genocide, far from being pathological or a reversion to pre-modern barbarism, was in fact connected to modernisation. It was not a failure of modernisation but an expression, in very extreme form, of its dark side. It was a product of the modern industrial, bureaucratically organised society. Notions of rationalisation and instrumental rationality, grand visions of a revolutionary remaking society, were central to modernity. In his own words,

“The bureaucratic culture which prompts us to view society as an object of administration, as a collection of so many 'problems' to be solved, as 'nature' to be 'controlled', 'mastered' and 'improved' or 'remade', as a legitimate target for 'social engineering', and in general a garden to be designed and kept in the planned shape by force (the gardening posture divides vegetation into 'cultured plants' to be taken care of, and weeds to be exterminated), was the very atmosphere in which the idea of the Holocaust could be conceived, slowly yet consistently developed, and brought to its conclusion.”

 

[Robert]

Not true. Look at the last 100 years , more people have been killed by humans than in the previous 1000 years. The nuke was used only half a century or so ago. The weapons we have today can destroy the whole planet within an hour or so. Murders have risen over the last 50 years, people are killing others for no reason at all now in many cases. I could go into so much detail but I think you wouldnt be saying this if you lived in Iraq or Syria.

Not if this is a world war with hundreds of nukes being used, the planet will be pretty much uninhabitable.

In Europe it's due to materlism not because of advancment. When Europe goes back to the dark ages in years to come, you will see a reverse. Besides Europe accounts only for 2% of the world, the smalles continent on the planet. Humans will never be able to answer what was before the big bang, it will be theories and guesses as no data can be found, thus the question of where did we come from will always remain, so God will be revelvant until humans are no more.

The murder rate has has fallen and fallen in Western Europe since WW2. Society is kinder now. The value placed on people has increased - interestingly since religion went into retreat.

Killing technology has got so effective that the sort of war you describe is unthinkable due to the MAD doctrine, which is why it won’t happen. But if it does, the human species will continue in considerably reduced numbers as the Southern Hemisphere will not have been attacked.

You know my views on Iraq. Instead of toppling the despot and assuming democracy would take root and grow as it did in Germany and Japan, USA / UK should have left the Iraqis to overthrow him. In Syria the revolution against another despot expanded into civil war, which would not have occurred if there was liberal democracy with free and fair elections.

It’s revealing that you correlate a hypothetical second European Dark Age - a time of lawlessness, ignorance and fear - with greater religiosity. Materialism is being replaced by a drive toward happiness - more and more people are realising that what they have is enough and working on themselves not their possessions.

As you persist in asking what happened before the Big Bang - a meaningless question - you have not understood the theory. When you do, it is possible that you will not have faith in God any longer as there will be no knowledge gap for that faith to occupy.

 

[Robert]

There is an amazing book called, Modernity and Holocaust, which was written some time back by the brilliant sociologist, Zygmunt Bauman. He shows that the Nazi genocide, far from being pathological or a reversion to pre-modern barbarism, was in fact connected to modernisation. It was not a failure of modernisation but an expression, in very extreme form, of its dark side. It was a product of the modern industrial, bureaucratically organised society. Notions of rationalisation and instrumental rationality, grand visions of a revolutionary remaking society, were central to modernity. In his own words,

“The bureaucratic culture which prompts us to view society as an object of administration, as a collection of so many 'problems' to be solved, as 'nature' to be 'controlled', 'mastered' and 'improved' or 'remade', as a legitimate target for 'social engineering', and in general a garden to be designed and kept in the planned shape by force (the gardening posture divides vegetation into 'cultured plants' to be taken care of, and weeds to be exterminated), was the very atmosphere in which the idea of the Holocaust could be conceived, slowly yet consistently developed, and brought to its conclusion.”

The eminent philosopher Bertrand Russell’s daughter said much the same. The Holocaust was a product of the machine-rationalism mindset where the individual has no intrinsic value.

 

[Technics 1210]

Since we are playing the game:

1. Islam will be the number 1 religion.

2. Atheisim will be dead and buried.

3. Ultra-Right-wing Athiests will continue to flog the dead horse there's empirical evidence of Abiogenesis.

4. India will be owned by China and speaking Chinese; Kashmir with Pakistan.

5. English language will become a relic.

6. Racisim will still exist.

7. Hinduism, or more accurately , polytheism , will become a footnote of humanity.

8. EU, along will Europe, and the West, will have either died of disease, war, famine, or all three.

9. The Earth will be closer to the Sun through orbital decay, the climate will have changed, but Getta Thunberg movement will be declared a terrorist organisation by then.

10. God of chance - refuted, falsified, and dead.

BUT, Gold will still shine, along with the Qur'an.

 

[Robert]

Since we are playing the game:

1. Islam will be the number 1 religion.

2. Atheisim will be dead and buried.

3. Ultra-Right-wing Athiests will continue to flog the dead horse there's empirical evidence of Abiogenesis.

4. India will be owned by China and speaking Chinese; Kashmir with Pakistan.

5. English language will become a relic.

6. Racisim will still exist.

7. Hinduism, or more accurately , polytheism , will become a footnote of humanity.

8. EU, along will Europe, and the West, will have either died of disease, war, famine, or all three.

9. The Earth will be closer to the Sun through orbital decay, the climate will have changed, but Getta Thunberg movement will be declared a terrorist organisation by then.

10. God of chance - refuted, falsified, and dead.

BUT, Gold will still shine, along with the Qur'an.

5. English is the language of USA so will continue, becoming absorbed into a newspeak incorporating Spanish and Mandarin.

11. The Arab states will be reduced to nothing on the markets within fifty years as oil becomes obsolete. They will, however, become self-sufficient in power due to solar farms hundreds of miles wide. Central

12. Sub-Saharan African states will undergo a massive uptick in fortune due to plentiful solar power. This will attract skilled engineers from Europe and USA.

13. China will become the predominant superpower within forty years but will shrink in population due to a. declining birth rates and b. no immigration inwards due to authoritarianism, while immigration to the liberal / freer USA will put the latter back on top by 2200.

14. Within 200 years, AI will run everything. At some point it will take over and humans will not notice - most will be cyborgs anyway. Human / machine interfaces will become so close as to be indistinguishable.

 

[Technics 1210]

5. English is the language of USA so will continue, becoming absorbed into a newspeak incorporating Spanish and Mandarin.

11. The Arab states will be reduced to nothing on the markets within fifty years as oil becomes obsolete. They will, however, become self-sufficient in power due to solar farms hundreds of miles wide. Central

12. Sub-Saharan African states will undergo a massive uptick in fortune due to plentiful solar power. This will attract skilled engineers from Europe and USA.

13. China will become the predominant superpower within forty years but will shrink in population due to a. declining birth rates and b. no immigration inwards due to authoritarianism, while immigration to the liberal / freer USA will put the latter back on top by 2200.

14. Within 200 years, AI will run everything. At some point it will take over and humans will not notice - most will be cyborgs anyway. Human / machine interfaces will become so close as to be indistinguishable.

15. Earth will be hit by an asteroid next year, sending Earth back to the Jurassic age.

 

[Technics 1210]

16. Remainers still claiming EU referendum was advisory! Hehehe

 

[Robert]

16. Remainers still claiming EU referendum was advisory! Hehehe

It wasn’t legally binding - see HoC Briefing Paper 07212.

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

Doesn’t matter though, A50 was invoked and we left on 31 January 2020.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The murder rate has has fallen and fallen in Western Europe since WW2. Society is kinder now. The value placed on people has increased - interestingly since religion went into retreat.

The murder rate has increased. Ill give US as an exmaple. In 1960 there were just over 9000 murders, in 2019 its nearly 17,000. You can check the US crime rate official stats. Sexual violence against women has also increased. Not to mention abuse of children. In fact in all aspects of society crimes have increased.

Killing technology has got so effective that the sort of war you describe is unthinkable due to the MAD doctrine, which is why it won’t happen. But if it does, the human species will continue in considerably reduced numbers as the Southern Hemisphere will not have been attacked.

The world is heading towards hardship for many, poverty rates increasing etc. US and European empires are crumbling, this will lead to war and with nukes it will be a nuclear war. You might even see if in your liftime if you are unlucky to live another few decades.

You know my views on Iraq. Instead of toppling the despot and assuming democracy would take root and grow as it did in Germany and Japan, USA / UK should have left the Iraqis to overthrow him. In Syria the revolution against another despot expanded into civil war, which would not have occurred if there was liberal democracy with free and fair elections.

Your views are not in question here but reality. I promise you if you were from Syria you would not feel so comfortable about the world you live in and neither so optomisitc, this was my point.

It’s revealing that you correlate a hypothetical second European Dark Age - a time of lawlessness, ignorance and fear - with greater religiosity. Materialism is being replaced by a drive toward happiness - more and more people are realising that what they have is enough and working on themselves not their possessions.

Dont agree, families dont even socialise as they used to. Technology and abudance of pleasures are making people less friendly , lacking many social skills and care for others.

As you persist in asking what happened before the Big Bang - a meaningless question - you have not understood the theory. When you do, it is possible that you will not have faith in God any longer as there will be no knowledge gap for that faith to occupy.

Meaningless to some but very improtant to most. The question of where we came from will be relevant until the end of humanity. Science can never answer this due to no data. Belief in God isnt going anywhere.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

15. Earth will be hit by an asteroid next year, sending Earth back to the Jurassic age.

That would be some trolling. Imagine the survivors reminiscing about 2020

 

[Nadeemp]

Since we are playing the game:

1. Islam will be the number 1 religion.

2. Atheisim will be dead and buried.

3. Ultra-Right-wing Athiests will continue to flog the dead horse there's empirical evidence of Abiogenesis.

4. India will be owned by China and speaking Chinese; Kashmir with Pakistan.

5. English language will become a relic.

6. Racisim will still exist.

7. Hinduism, or more accurately , polytheism , will become a footnote of humanity.

8. EU, along will Europe, and the West, will have either died of disease, war, famine, or all three.

9. The Earth will be closer to the Sun through orbital decay, the climate will have changed, but Getta Thunberg movement will be declared a terrorist organisation by then.

10. God of chance - refuted, falsified, and dead.

BUT, Gold will still shine, along with the Qur'an.

All religions will become a footnote in human history.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The number of conflicts has decreased but the casualties have increased.

Because we mechanised killing.

Any empirical evidence behind this or just an assumption?

 

[Thomaskutty]

All religions will become a footnote in human history.

Religions will still exist, people still need some sort of moral compass and larger purpose beyond materialism. I think fundamentalism will become a footnote though and there will less involvement of government in social/moral policing. A 'to each their own' model.

 

[Nadeemp]

All data shows people are leaving organized religion. Even in the muslim world and even muslims in the west . Some people are Replacing religion with Spirituality . Honestly I don’t know what that means and how that works. It’s replacing one dogma with another. But yes to each to their own

 

[Robert]

All data shows people are leaving organized religion. Even in the muslim world and even muslims in the west . Some people are Replacing religion with Spirituality . Honestly I don’t know what that means and how that works. It’s replacing one dogma with another. But yes to each to their own

If it is religion, it is dogma by definition. “Spirituality” could mean veneration of nature - without dogma. Or a feeling of connection to something vast - but no dogma. I’m pretty much atheist most of the time, but I’ll bliss out and get misty-eyed in wonderment at the sight of sunlight on clouds.

 

[Robert]

The murder rate has increased. Ill give US as an exmaple. In 1960 there were just over 9000 murders, in 2019 its nearly 17,000. You can check the US crime rate official stats. Sexual violence against women has also increased. Not to mention abuse of children. In fact in all aspects of society crimes have increased.

The world is heading towards hardship for many, poverty rates increasing etc. US and European empires are crumbling, this will lead to war and with nukes it will be a nuclear war. You might even see if in your liftime if you are unlucky to live another few decades.

Your views are not in question here but reality. I promise you if you were from Syria you would not feel so comfortable about the world you live in and neither so optomisitc, this was my point.

Dont agree, families dont even socialise as they used to. Technology and abudance of pleasures are making people less friendly , lacking many social skills and care for others.

Meaningless to some but very improtant to most. The question of where we came from will be relevant until the end of humanity. Science can never answer this due to no data. Belief in God isnt going anywhere.

I did check the stats for the USA - over a hundred years the murder rate has gone up and down and currently is falling. A very large proportion of the homicides will be inner city gang related.

That the incidence of rape has risen is due to increased reporting, and that rise in incidence is indicative that women are more valued and feel they can come forward in some expectation of being believed. So this is an indicator that society has become kinder. Ditto for abuse of children - it always happened but now is being exposed and corrected.

My young friends have a wonderful sense of community, and love for each other and respect for people. The young men can express love for each other in a way that men of my generation never could.

Similarly mental illness is so much better understood now with so much more compassion.

It’s funny how you the religious man thinks humanity is doomed while I the atheist humanist am full of hope.

 

[Nadeemp]

If it is religion, it is dogma by definition. “Spirituality” could mean veneration of nature - without dogma. Or a feeling of connection to something vast - but no dogma. I’m pretty much atheist most of the time, but I’ll bliss out and get misty-eyed in wonderment at the sight of sunlight on clouds.

I think what you just described ( in my mind) is not spirituality. Anyway to vague of an idea to debate about .

 

[KingKhanWC]

I did check the stats for the USA - over a hundred years the murder rate has gone up and down and currently is falling. A very large proportion of the homicides will be inner city gang related.

They will fluctuate but murders have risen in the last 100 years. Go back to 200 years, risen even more.

Here is another example, whether you agree or not, babies are being killed more than ever(abortions). In some nations such as India, parents will abort if it's a girl. May not be murders in everyones book but taking lives cannot be denied. This was not possible 100 years ago.

That the incidence of rape has risen is due to increased reporting, and that rise in incidence is indicative that women are more valued and feel they can come forward in some expectation of being believed. So this is an indicator that society has become kinder. Ditto for abuse of children - it always happened but now is being exposed and corrected.

Most rapes are still not reported. Now we have drugs which put into drinks of women in bars/clubs put them in a no state, taken and abused. Many dont even realise what has happened, this was not possible 100 years ago.

My young friends have a wonderful sense of community, and love for each other and respect for people. The young men can express love for each other in a way that men of my generation never could.

Similarly mental illness is so much better understood now with so much more compassion.

It’s funny how you the religious man thinks humanity is doomed while I the atheist humanist am full of hope.

No doubt there are good people but I would suggest there are more 'bad' people in the world compared to good. The issue here are humans moving foward in terms of morality and care for others, there is no evidnce to suggest this is the case but the opposite.

Its not due to religion but due to logic and reason. 2.2 billion people have no access to clean drinking water. 3.2 million chidlren die due undernutrition yearly. Thousands die daily due to lack of food, while others throw away an abudance of food they cant eat. If humans were so kind, today we have enough to feed, cloth, house and quench their thirst. We also have the logistics to ensure this happens in every corner of the world but nobody really cares do they Robert? We both know this, you are just trying to be optomistic while Im being a realist.

 

[Nadeemp]

Religions are conspiracy theories that rampantly spread in ancient times due to lack of fact checking and general ignorance of our ancestors

 

[Robert]

They will fluctuate but murders have risen in the last 100 years. Go back to 200 years, risen even more.

Here is another example, whether you agree or not, babies are being killed more than ever(abortions). In some nations such as India, parents will abort if it's a girl. May not be murders in everyones book but taking lives cannot be denied. This was not possible 100 years ago.

Most rapes are still not reported. Now we have drugs which put into drinks of women in bars/clubs put them in a no state, taken and abused. Many dont even realise what has happened, this was not possible 100 years ago.

No doubt there are good people but I would suggest there are more 'bad' people in the world compared to good. The issue here are humans moving foward in terms of morality and care for others, there is no evidnce to suggest this is the case but the opposite.

Its not due to religion but due to logic and reason. 2.2 billion people have no access to clean drinking water. 3.2 million chidlren die due undernutrition yearly. Thousands die daily due to lack of food, while others throw away an abudance of food they cant eat. If humans were so kind, today we have enough to feed, cloth, house and quench their thirst. We also have the logistics to ensure this happens in every corner of the world but nobody really cares do they Robert? We both know this, you are just trying to be optomistic while Im being a realist.

There are plenty of good people out there! You are looking at things in a fatalistic way. I am not “trying to be optimistic” - I genuinely see goodness in nearly everyone (except individuals such as Trump who are purely selfish).

There have always been abortions throughout history - but now they are safe for the woman, instead of being done dangerously with gin, hot baths and knitting needles.

I honestly don’t understand why you think the incident of rape has risen - women used to be chattel and there were no laws to protect them, while now they have human rights and that is why more women are coming forward. Similarly as paedophilia has become better understood, more of the rapists are being put away. Greater detection and conviction rates do not mean more offences are committed, it means more victims are being believed and supported.

Nobody cares? Plenty of people care - see the work of UNESCO, and any number of charities to bring clean water and famine relief. UK Gov sends £billions in foreign aid every year. Furthermore there is a growing eco-consciousness driving towards a zero-waste circular economy. International agreements to slow down climate change which will impact the Developing World the most.

 

[Technics 1210]

It wasn’t legally binding - see HoC Briefing Paper 07212.

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

Doesn’t matter though, A50 was invoked and we left on 31 January 2020.

A fact checker site with an opinion?

The UK courts and Parliament ruled the referendum wasn't advisory. You don't pass a bill 5 to 1 in Parliament offering the referendum to the public, then spend time and money campaigning for an advisory referendum.

Like you said doesn make a difference now.

 

[Stewie]

Trump will still be holding MAGA rallies and claiming he never lost the election!

Pakistan and India will have fought a few more wars on Kashmir but still no solution. Same with Israel/Palestine. Jimmy will still be bowling.


And yes we might have hover cars, kind of like the drones.. light weight VTOL, self flying ones with four propellers. We may have colonized the moon, have had a few wars over it as well. Same with Mars, probably.