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How to accept a defeat to India where there is no conspiracy to hang on to?

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Atleadt when we lose to India, we have a conspiracy that we can use and discuss and make ourselves feel better.

Trophy gate had convinced me we had never lost the match.

Past umpiring decisions, false catches gave me an idea thay maybe those factors caused us to lose the game.

But to lose a game to India without any conspiracy, thats hard.
 
Major said:
Atleadt when we lose to India, we have a conspiracy that we can use and discuss and make ourselves feel better.

Trophy gate had convinced me we had never lost the match.

Past umpiring decisions, false catches gave me an idea thay maybe those factors caused us to lose the game.

But to lose a game to India without any conspiracy, thats hard.
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2017 ct, you lost the group game, won the finals, you can hope something like that. Its just a group game not a knock out
 
You can stick with the hypothesis that it was a dead rubber and since Pakistan visibly withheld Usman Tariq from being unleashed too early, it wa probably a strategic call to go easy and not reveal full tricks to Endia and other nations.

Pakistan to make a remarkable come back from next game on and will storm into the semi finals with 4 straight wins.
 
We should have just carried through with the boycott. the net run rate would of took a hit but not as much as our regular capitulation has left us
 
India are a far superior team in every facet . India understands cricket is their soft power , has taken the sport seriously even when lacking the mentality of Aussies .

Pakistan from the pcb to the player to the gameplan are all amateurish.

India deserved to humiliate this rabble
 
In CT India played all their matches in Pakistan second home UAE. And here Paksitan was forced to play all their matches on a spinning track in sri lanka. Not fair
 
Major said:
Atleadt when we lose to India, we have a conspiracy that we can use and discuss and make ourselves feel better.

Trophy gate had convinced me we had never lost the match.

Past umpiring decisions, false catches gave me an idea thay maybe those factors caused us to lose the game.

But to lose a game to India without any conspiracy, thats hard.
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Don't worry @Ryw is furiously working on finding 🔎 some straws to latch onto .... kuch mil jayega guaranteed ... just hang in there (y)
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
2017 ct, you lost the group game, won the finals, you can hope something like that. Its just a group game not a knock out
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That time captain and management were brave they dropped their senior shahzad and gave debutant Fakhar a chance which completely changed fortunes . This Hesson Agha combo run Pakistan team like franchise team and would never drop their loved ones. Keep watch Shadab Shaheen Babar in upcoming games too
 
Major said:
Atleadt when we lose to India, we have a conspiracy that we can use and discuss and make ourselves feel better.

Trophy gate had convinced me we had never lost the match.

Past umpiring decisions, false catches gave me an idea thay maybe those factors caused us to lose the game.

But to lose a game to India without any conspiracy, thats hard.
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This is the reason why Pakistan humiliated by India again and again.

Always find the conspiracy Theories to hide from failure instead working on weakness of own team .

You deserved this Humiliation.

:klopp :kp
 
What a horrible one side game. Pakistan were ridiculous i don't get what happens when we play India, every bloody time
 
This is some concerning level of self-loathing.

Come on man. You are better than that.

Also, not everyone is as sensitive as this - some people can take defeats. Yes, they hurt but no need to lose your mind and make up stuff for it.
 
straighttalk said:
In CT India played all their matches in Pakistan second home UAE. And here Paksitan was forced to play all their matches on a spinning track in sri lanka. Not fair
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Lol this is the reason we are still in the World Cup.

Honestly, if you have to hang on to conspiracy theories after defeat to India, then you are delusional.

There is a well-documented skill gap difference between Pakistan and the top sides, most fans here own that. So to expect us to win is a bit rich. Stop buying into this hype and take it one step at a time.

Focus on the errors you made, things that are under your control. We would have still lost had we batted first but the game wouldn’t have been this one-sided.

Once Salman decided on fielding, I called it immediately that this would be a terrible thrashing. The think tank failed tonight and there’s lots to learn.

We are not out of the tournament yet, just fix your errors, accept your weakness and play within your strengths. This team is still a decent side and can make every team in the Super 8 sweat it out, even though we don’t have hopes of reaching the semi-finals.

If you are expecting this team to beat top sides regularly, the fault is with you more so than the team.
 
Here are the ways you can accept

India has been no.1 ranked T20 side for 1455 days (since 21 February 2022)
India is world T20 cup holder
India has won a record 11 matches in a row in world cup
India has won 11 out of last 12 bilaterald other one was drawn
Since November 2021

Played 25 bilaterals Won 22 of them Drawn 2 of them Lost 1 of them

Since Jan 2024 Played 55 matcehs won 47 of them (including 3 super over tie) 2 no rsults. Lost mere 6

They are just too good. Beating them these days is an upset for most teams except SENA teams like SA, NZ, Australia, England who can go toe to toe with India when certain things to their way
 
Suryavanshi is not eligible for playing internationals at this point. He has to be atleast 15 to make debut. When that happens Pakistan will face more challenge down the line
 
Well there is no conspiracy. India were way superior. So much so that they bowled Rinku and tilak and pandya had time to play catch with coach during the match.
 
sweep_shot said:
India is an average team in Test and ODI. But, they are pretty good in Mickey Mouse T20.

I think a team's strength should be judged based on ODI and Test performances. T20 is not a good metric. :inti
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They were in final of ODI World Cup.

How did average team make it to the finals?

And if what you say is definitely true, India should not be reaching close to finals in 2027.
 
KingKhanWC said:
India are a far superior team in every facet . India understands cricket is their soft power , has taken the sport seriously even when lacking the mentality of Aussies .

Pakistan from the pcb to the player to the gameplan are all amateurish.

India deserved to humiliate this rabble
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Strong words but quite true. Still painful to experience this loss though :(
 
Dr_Bassim said:
They were in final of ODI World Cup.

How did average team make it to the finals?

And if what you say is definitely true, India should not be reaching close to finals in 2027.
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Pak fans are not losers like this guy who finds joy in pushing fake narratives to make himself feel good. He is so used to seeing his team getting pumped by every team. So he is so used to cope with all the poundings. This is one technique.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pak fans are not losers like this guy who finds joy in pushing fake narratives to make himself feel good. He is so used to seeing his team getting pumped by every team. So he is so used to cope with all the poundings. This is one technique.
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The most useless cricket team is Ban.. if teams like USA Scotland Ireland Nepal are given the opportunities and support that Ban has got over the last 20 years- they would have challenged the big 8 teams more and even won more.. Look at Afg - and look at Ban . Ban is and will remain the most useless cricket team..
 
Dr_Bassim said:
They were in final of ODI World Cup.

How did average team make it to the finals?

And if what you say is definitely true, India should not be reaching close to finals in 2027.
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No one should take anything said by a BD fan seriously. The fact that that poster supports what is objectively the worst sports nation ever, least talented, most hyped team ever, shows you that whatever comes out if their mouth can be safely ridiculed and ignored.

India is a very good team. But in t20 everyone can bear everyone else on their day. The format length doesn’t give much space to come back from bad few overs. That is what makes this format so good. So india can still lose and bow out
 
deltexas said:
The most useless cricket team is Ban.. if teams like USA Scotland Ireland Nepal are given the opportunities and support that Ban has got over the last 20 years- they would have challenged the big 8 teams more and even won more.. Look at Afg - and look at Ban . Ban is and will remain the most useless cricket team..
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Most useless sporting nation, not just in cricket. Don’t undersell the imbeciles
 
KingKhanWC said:
India are a far superior team in every facet . India understands cricket is their soft power , has taken the sport seriously even when lacking the mentality of Aussies .

Pakistan from the pcb to the player to the gameplan are all amateurish.

India deserved to humiliate this rabble
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India still won back to back test series in Australia in 2019 & 2021.

Australia hasn't beaten India in India since 2004 which is only once since 1969. That means only one test series win in India for mighty Australia in nearly 60 years.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
India still won back to back test series in Australia in 2019 & 2021.

Australia hasn't beaten India in India since 2004 which is only once since 1969. That means only one test series win in India for mighty Australia in nearly 60 years.
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Are you saying India is better than Australia? :inti

In terms of overall records, Australia is easily superior to India. No comparison.

Even in recent times, Australia beat India 3-1.

Stop celebrating old victories like minnow fans. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
That was in year 2023. A lot have changed since then. :inti

India have become #4 in Test. India also declined in ODI; Kiwi C team recently beat India in India 2-1.

Keep up with latest news. :inti
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Yes New Zealand beat an Indian team without Bumrah, Pandya, Axar, Varun C.

You better worry about your tiny island qualification from group of death with Zimbabwe, Ireland & Australia:misbah
 
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sweep_shot said:
Are you saying India is better than Australia? :inti

In terms of overall records, Australia is easily superior to India. No comparison.

Even in recent times, Australia beat India 3-1.

Stop celebrating old victories like minnow fans. :inti
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First let your tiny island sri lanka win their first test match in India & Australia, then we will talk keyboard warrior :misbah
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Yes New Zealand beat an Indian team without Bumrah, Pandya, Axar, Varun C.

You better worry about your tiny island qualification from group of death with Zimbabwe, Ireland & Australia:misbah
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IN ODIs. W/L ratio since 2025 last year. India despite so many experiments have done well. But note USA performance. They will totally whitewash teams like Bangladesh in ODIs.

Screenshot-2026-02-15-205751.jpg
 
sweep_shot said:
India is an average team in Test and ODI. But, they are pretty good in Mickey Mouse T20.

I think a team's strength should be judged based on ODI and Test performances. T20 is not a good metric. :inti
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Thank you so much, next ODI World cup pakka for india and the next WTC after the current cycle.
 
On a different note this was just defeat for Pakistan. But it is a victory for so many people. Smaller cricket boards, Associate nations, podcasters across the globe. This one game has made people a little richer.
 
TheRock said:
If you hv been following this forum for quite sometime, you would observe that he doesn't hv a nationality, as such. His nationality keeps changing on a daily basis depending on who opponent is (against Ind) on a particular day.
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@sweep_shot is an absolute clueless poster with low quality rants in both cricket and non-cricket threads. Even from a Pakistani pov I cringe at his posts and him trying to attach to Pakistan for some weird reason (y'all backstabbed Pakistan in 1971 so stay out). I rate him as low as the Indian trolls infesting this forum.
 
As far as this forum is concerned, nothing will change. So no need to accept anything.

Sure for a couple of days there will be posts about PCT and changes that are needed. But then the threads and posts will go back to being Ind. centered.

In fact, starting in a couple of days, there will be more questions asked of the Ind. team than the Pak. team. More criticism, trolling etc. The posters will go back to fantasyland/imaginary world. Pretty much ignoring reality. Of late I have to had double check if I am on a Pak. cricket forum. There are more posts on Ind. than Pak.

The issues of the Pak. cricket team will barely be discussed. There will be more threads started about Ind. team than Pak. Essentially, forum normalcy. Have seen this over the years after every Ind-Pak game.
 
U$ofA said:
As far as this forum is concerned, nothing will change. So no need to accept anything.

Sure for a couple of days there will be posts about PCT and changes that are needed. But then the threads and posts will go back to being Ind. centered.

In fact, starting in a couple of days, there will be more questions asked of the Ind. team than the Pak. team. More criticism, trolling etc. The posters will go back to fantasyland/imaginary world. Pretty much ignoring reality. Of late I have to had double check if I am on a Pak. cricket forum. There are more posts on Ind. than Pak.

The issues of the Pak. cricket team will barely be discussed. There will be more threads started about Ind. team than Pak. Essentially, forum normalcy. Have seen this over the years after every Ind-Pak game.
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Lol be happy you don’t open the TP section.
 
U$ofA said:
As far as this forum is concerned, nothing will change. So no need to accept anything.

Sure for a couple of days there will be posts about PCT and changes that are needed. But then the threads and posts will go back to being Ind. centered.

In fact, starting in a couple of days, there will be more questions asked of the Ind. team than the Pak. team. More criticism, trolling etc. The posters will go back to fantasyland/imaginary world. Pretty much ignoring reality. Of late I have to had double check if I am on a Pak. cricket forum. There are more posts on Ind. than Pak.

The issues of the Pak. cricket team will barely be discussed. There will be more threads started about Ind. team than Pak. Essentially, forum normalcy. Have seen this over the years after every Ind-Pak game.
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No we only do that due to the influx of indian posters
 
It is very easy to accept this kind of defeat because the class/skill difference is huge and we had no real chance since over 2.

It used to be harder to accept the defeats when we used to be in the game till last couple of overs like the Australia world cup game, or USA world cup new york game, or even couple of Asia cup games that were much much closer.
 
Major said:
No we only do that due to the influx of indian posters
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Yeah well it reflects poorly when majority of the threads on a Pakistani forum are about India, even in the cricket section.

It just tells us that, deep down, even Pakistanis have accepted that their cricket is boring, mediocre and talentless.

All that is left is to troll India whenever India slips up even once in a tournament
 
The bitterest pill to swallow for me is the complete lack of any major celebrations by thier champion bowlers (Bumrah, Kuldeep, Pandya)

It's like they know a wicket is a foregone conclusion , with no anxiety on thier face whatsoever.

This is hard to accept as a proud cricketing nation, our biggest rivals (historically) don't even consider us rivals anymore understandably, and don't even show any jubilation for tbe fall of wickets.

I mean Kuldeep after taking his wickets went on a casual walk with the keeper probably talking about the dinner menu after the game , Pandya didn't even bother to celebrate when he bowled Tariq to win the game,

This is hard to accept, and shows the levels of which we have fallen to.
 
sweep_shot said:
India is an average team in Test and ODI. But, they are pretty good in Mickey Mouse T20.

I think a team's strength should be judged based on ODI and Test performances. T20 is not a good metric. :inti
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I believe India will be a door mat team when Abhishek, Ishan, Tilak retire and Suryavanshi becomes washed up. It’s just a matter of time :cobra
 
Simple..get back to the old copium- we made BCCICC to beg us play this match..Naqvi the mastermind..win or loss doesnt matter for us..blah blah..
 
Champ_Pal said:
I believe India will be a door mat team when Abhishek, Ishan, Tilak retire and Suryavanshi becomes washed up. It’s just a matter of time :cobra
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then players like Suryavanshi will be ready
dont worry۔ they have a great pool of talent rightly managed n groomed unlike us

im sure we will destroy great potential like sameer Minhas too
 
Boom-Boom-Afridi-37 said:
The bitterest pill to swallow for me is the complete lack of any major celebrations by thier champion bowlers (Bumrah, Kuldeep, Pandya)

It's like they know a wicket is a foregone conclusion , with no anxiety on thier face whatsoever.

This is hard to accept as a proud cricketing nation, our biggest rivals (historically) don't even consider us rivals anymore understandably, and don't even show any jubilation for tbe fall of wickets.

I mean Kuldeep after taking his wickets went on a casual walk with the keeper probably talking about the dinner menu after the game , Pandya didn't even bother to celebrate when he bowled Tariq to win the game,

This is hard to accept, and shows the levels of which we have fallen to.
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They have played PCT often in the last 1 year, and they didn’t celebrate because from the start of Pakistani innings there was hardly any spark.. it was 13-3.. and was going to be an uphill task from there..

They somewhat did celebrate earlier wickets.. also majority Indian cricketers play way too much cricket, this was a dead rubber for them.. hype only for fans at best and media houses.
 
If the current set of Pakistani players play 10 games against India, they will probably lose all 10 of them!! That is the harsh reality.

At worst, India might lose one game (by the law of averages). The players are humanbeings afterall.

I am under no illusion.

Skill set apart, the current players have an all too familiar tendency to lose it under pressure, be it with bat or ball. Batting first or second would have made no difference yesterday.
 
Snowflake said:
The desperation of Indians to move on from Pakistan has reached new heights lol

Yet, the masses continue to be fixated with us.
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Yea, how can the Indian masses focus their views from anywhere else apart from the Superstars, the ones whom the ICC and the rest of the cricket world depends on for survival.​
 
Snowflake said:
The desperation of Indians to move on from Pakistan has reached new heights lol

Yet, the masses continue to be fixated with us.
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It’s really low bro, I can tell you that as I’m in India right now and heck never seen such less interest Indo-Pak game in my lifetime, city folks were going about their day many just celebrating the festival.(Mahashivratri) … wasn’t the case even ten years ago

Older folks and even many millenial are still into it though but ppl now plan on these days too, times have changed
 
Hitman said:
Yea, how can the Indian masses focus their views from anywhere else apart from the Superstars, the ones whom the ICC and the rest of the cricket world depends on for survival.​
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I don't know - ask them. They are the ones bringing the eyeballs
 
JaDed said:
It’s really low bro, I can tell you that as I’m in India right now and heck never seen such less interest Indo-Pak game in my lifetime, city folks were going about their day many just celebrating the festival.(Mahashivratri) … wasn’t the case even ten years ago

Older folks and even many millenial are still into it though but ppl now plan on these days too, times have changed
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I am not saying I do not believe you, but numbers speak louder than anecdotes. Once the revenue from these games falls, then we can truly say that life has move don from Pak-India clases.
 
Snowflake said:
I am not saying I do not believe you, but numbers speak louder than anecdotes. Once the revenue from these games falls, then we can truly say that life has move don from Pak-India clases.
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Such a populated country, we play Lanka so often yet revenue is so high from those because even if 10% watch that’s huge number.. revenue might not fall because digital subscribers have increased massively so ads are well targeted.

A family of 4 which used to watch on one tv now watch on 3..
Since 2011 viewership overall has fallen but revenue remains due to economy..

A stronger PCT would actually bring in more viewership in the Indo-Pak imho…
 
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