How to tackle Indian bowlers

[Irfan Hussain]

Everybody knows how strong Indian batting line up is but what about their bowlers.
How can our batsmen tackle the likes of Bumrah and Kuldeep.... I think our batsmen need to plan their innings again these two bowlers particularly....
Have your say...

 

[Bigbb]

Way too early to think about June 16 but anyways. ..
Indian bowling game plan has one standard plan which works most of the times for them .

First, to bowl as tight as possible in the powerplay (1-10 overs) and bhuvi and Bumrah execute that to perfection more often than not. Any wickets they take during that time is just a bonus.

And when their wristies come into the attack , the pressure of scoring is huge on the opposite batsmen . And that's where they gift their wickets away and induce a collapse .

So in order to counter that, our batters must play aggressively, putting away bad balls just like fakhar @ct17 final and should never let bhuvi and Bumrah settle onto one length. I'd rather take us being 60/2 in 10 overs than being 35/0. If you put enough pressure on Chahal or bhuvi they usually lose the plot. You can easily milk Kuldeep and Bumrah without taking much of a risk. And that is the only way we can put up atleast 260+ against India. With a middle order of Malik , Sarfraz and Hafeez and the death bowling of bhuvi and Bumrah, this is the maximum we can get.

 

[Sadozai]

Our batsman when playing against India can just hope that Indian bowlers are having an off day, or at best they can play 50 overs at a RR of 5 to 5.5 & hope that somehow our bowlers manage to get out their top order without giving too many runs.

There's nothing more our team can do against Indian team. The are a much better team & we are now almost at minnows level.

 

[Bigbb]

Our batsman when playing against India can just hope that Indian bowlers are having an off day, or at best they can play 50 overs at a RR of 5 to 5.5 & hope that somehow our bowlers manage to get out their top order without giving too many runs.

There's nothing more our team can do against Indian team. The are a much better team & we are now almost at minnows level.

Stop with these hyperboles man. Yes, I agree that they're a better team than ours but they are not invincible or Aussies of 2000s that we can do nothing against them. If we play to our potential, especial our bowlers, we have more than a decent chance of beating them.

 

[Irfan Hussain]

Well you sound to be talking sense but 260 se kaam nhi chalne wala.... We need atleast 320 against India so that their batsmen come under some sort of pressure, and hopefully they make mistakes and our bowlers would be able to capitalise.

 

[Irfan Hussain]

Way too early to think about June 16 but anyways. ..
Indian bowling game plan has one standard plan which works most of the times for them .

First, to bowl as tight as possible in the powerplay (1-10 overs) and bhuvi and Bumrah execute that to perfection more often than not. Any wickets they take during that time is just a bonus.

And when their wristies come into the attack , the pressure of scoring is huge on the opposite batsmen . And that's where they gift their wickets away and induce a collapse .

So in order to counter that, our batters must play aggressively, putting away bad balls just like fakhar @ct17 final and should never let bhuvi and Bumrah settle onto one length. I'd rather take us being 60/2 in 10 overs than being 35/0. If you put enough pressure on Chahal or bhuvi they usually lose the plot. You can easily milk Kuldeep and Bumrah without taking much of a risk. And that is the only way we can put up atleast 260+ against India. With a middle order of Malik , Sarfraz and Hafeez and the death bowling of bhuvi and Bumrah, this is the maximum we can get.

Well you sound to be talking sense but 260 se kaam nhi chalne wala.... We need atleast 320 against India so that their batsmen come under some sort of pressure, and hopefully they make mistakes and our bowlers would be able to capitalise.

 

[pratiktc]

Pak should bat first, see off Bumrah, and aim to be 45/1 after 10

Then milk spinners for 5-5.5 per over and destroy 5th bowler (Pandya/Jadhav) at 8-9 per over from the start. Reach 20 ovs at 100/1-2

At this stage should start taking calculated boundary risks with the spin against one of the wristies (if Fakhar is there against Kuldeep, if Malik is there against Chahal). Reach 28 ovs at 150/2-3

This will force Kohli to bring Bumrah or Bhuvi back. If Bumrah see him off, if Bhuvi, milk for singles. 33 ovs 170/2-3

35-40 should be the foot on accelerator phase. If a wkt falls gamble with sending Hafeez/Imad for going all out hitting mode against spinners and 5th bowler.
Aim to reach 40 ovs 220-225/4 wkts max.

Pick bowlers and weaknesses till over 45 and target to reach 260 without losing any wkt in this 5 over block.

Last 5 overs go beserk with all hitters going full throttle. Worst case scenario 285-9, best case 305-310/6.

In any case, now runs are on board, get Shaheen revved up for a big first spell to get Rohit out with the other bowlers choking off Kohli's run flow with nothing on pads.

 

[pratiktc]

TLDR if Pak can put 275 on board and get Rohit cheaply, they have an excellent chance to win

 

[Mamoon]

Stop with these hyperboles man. Yes, I agree that they're a better team than ours but they are not invincible or Aussies of 2000s that we can do nothing against them. If we play to our potential, especial our bowlers, we have more than a decent chance of beating them.

The problem is that they if both teams play to their potential, India will comfortably win. They are simply much better man to man.

The template for Pakistan is the Champions Trophy Final. Bat first, negate their main weapons to an extent where we can post around 300, and put their middle-order under pressure by taking 2-3 early wickets.

If Pakistan bat second, we barely have a shot even if India underperform. Our batsmen have no nerve and class to chase anything beyond 250 in a high pressure game.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Pak should bat first, see off Bumrah, and aim to be 45/1 after 10

Then milk spinners for 5-5.5 per over and destroy 5th bowler (Pandya/Jadhav) at 8-9 per over from the start. Reach 20 ovs at 100/1-2

At this stage should start taking calculated boundary risks with the spin against one of the wristies (if Fakhar is there against Kuldeep, if Malik is there against Chahal). Reach 28 ovs at 150/2-3

This will force Kohli to bring Bumrah or Bhuvi back. If Bumrah see him off, if Bhuvi, milk for singles. 33 ovs 170/2-3

35-40 should be the foot on accelerator phase. If a wkt falls gamble with sending Hafeez/Imad for going all out hitting mode against spinners and 5th bowler.
Aim to reach 40 ovs 220-225/4 wkts max.

Pick bowlers and weaknesses till over 45 and target to reach 260 without losing any wkt in this 5 over block.

Last 5 overs go beserk with all hitters going full throttle. Worst case scenario 285-9, best case 305-310/6.

In any case, now runs are on board, get Shaheen revved up for a big first spell to get Rohit out with the other bowlers choking off Kohli's run flow with nothing on pads.

Good plan A, I'll appreciate if you plz show the plan B.

 

[Bigbb]

The problem is that they if both teams play to their potential, India will comfortably win. They are simply much better man to man.

The template for Pakistan is the Champions Trophy Final. Bat first, negate their main weapons to an extent where we can post around 300, and put their middle-order under pressure by taking 2-3 early wickets.

If Pakistan bat second, we barely have a shot even if India underperform. Our batsmen have no nerve and class to chase anything beyond 250 in a high pressure game.

Agree. Chances of us winning are more if we bat first against India (or any team in general) . We are a poor chasing side. Even 220ish total can invoke shivers in our batting lineup against a half decent bowling attack
Example is the Asia cup game against Bangladesh where we couldn't even chase 240 on a harmless surface.

 

[CricFan2012]

Way too early to think about June 16 but anyways. ..
Indian bowling game plan has one standard plan which works most of the times for them .

First, to bowl as tight as possible in the powerplay (1-10 overs) and bhuvi and Bumrah execute that to perfection more often than not. Any wickets they take during that time is just a bonus.

And when their wristies come into the attack , the pressure of scoring is huge on the opposite batsmen . And that's where they gift their wickets away and induce a collapse .

So in order to counter that, our batters must play aggressively, putting away bad balls just like fakhar @ct17 final and should never let bhuvi and Bumrah settle onto one length. I'd rather take us being 60/2 in 10 overs than being 35/0. If you put enough pressure on Chahal or bhuvi they usually lose the plot. You can easily milk Kuldeep and Bumrah without taking much of a risk. And that is the only way we can put up atleast 260+ against India. With a middle order of Malik , Sarfraz and Hafeez and the death bowling of bhuvi and Bumrah, this is the maximum we can get.

Kuldeep and Chahal aren't like Ash or Jaddu from CT17 final, leg spinners are good on every surface.

Fakhar was extremely lucky in that knock, and I don't doubt that we will need some more of that luck to win our match against India or hope that Bumrah gets injured or has a rare off day.

 

[warcry]

this thread reeks of pakpassioners having a meltdown.
panic stations everywhere.

relax.
first we play england in england.

If we win there, this series will be like it never happened, besides, Pakistan has lost to all teams in the UAE barring Sri lanka since 2008. ( who are even worse then us, lost to zimbabwe at home in a 5 match odi series), Its like the UAE is not home conditions of us. (which is isnt, the sooner cricket returns home the better for pakistan cricket)

SO as I was saying, first we play england, if we get thrashed by them, THEN and only THEN, do we panic. Until then, just chill.

And now to the question, how to tackle indian bowlers, it is simple,
While Pakistan Innings is on
score equals 0
If Indian Bowler bowls Bad Ball:
Hit it for four
score equals score +4
Elif Indian Bowler bowls a good ball :
Rotate Strike
score equals score +1
print(score)



This psuedocode will work against any team, and not just one particular team.

 

[Sadozai]

Stop with these hyperboles man. Yes, I agree that they're a better team than ours but they are not invincible or Aussies of 2000s that we can do nothing against them. If we play to our potential, especial our bowlers, we have more than a decent chance of beating them.

No team is invincible. Main thing is not there superiority, it's our mediocrity. Despite being a good team, there are still some loopholes in Indian playing XI which some good teams will definitely target.
Our problem is that we don't believe in doing homework for the big occasion & in the end hope for some miracle. our team management (including coaching staff, selection committee & captain) did exactly that. The haven't done any homework for the world cup in last 2 years, now at the end they have realized that they don't have settled squad which could take on the top 5 oppositions in the world cup, so they are trying random guys to finalize their squad for the world cup which they should have done just after the CT17 or NZ series.
Here is our team's performance in ODIs after CT17:



I have recently started a thread regarding our team & players' performance after CT17 but nobody bothered comment on that. I think people like to remain delusional, so let them be.

 

[Bigbb]

No team is invincible. Main thing is not there superiority, it's our mediocrity. Despite being a good team, there are still some loopholes in Indian playing XI which some good teams will definitely target.
Our problem is that we don't believe in doing homework for the big occasion & in the end hope for some miracle. our team management (including coaching staff, selection committee & captain) did exactly that. The haven't done any homework for the world cup in last 2 years, now at the end they have realized that they don't have settled squad which could take on the top 5 oppositions in the world cup, so they are trying random guys to finalize their squad for the world cup which they should have done just after the CT17 or NZ series.
Here is our team's performance in ODIs after CT17:

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I have recently started a thread regarding our team & players' performance after CT17 but nobody bothered comment on that. I think people like to remain delusional, so let them be.

I agree with you on most of this but there are no "favourites" in an India vs Pakistan game. All the past form and records go for a toss. It's the team that handles pressure the best will come out on top.
Indians might still have mental scars of that CT final humiliation. That might work for us.