How would you fix the problems of Karachi?

[Moiza]

Suppose you were given unlimited powers to do whatever you want then how would you deal with the karachi situation now a days. The resources at your disposal are limited as they would be in real life.

I would break up karachi into 50 smaller more manageable parts. Karachi is too big to manage for anyone imo.

 

[Syed1]

1. Karachi is run by several different organizations like the KMC, KDA, Sindh government, DHA, KWSB, etc. My first step would be to dissolve all of these overlapping organizations and form one district government that administrators governance over the entire city. Dictator Musharraf's era had more "jamhooriat" than these jamhoori governments as the city had a City District Government that oversaw everything in the city except for the Cantonments.

2. Strict implementation of the master plan that was painstakingly developed during Mustafa Kamal's era. The masterplan envisioned several mass transit rail lines that would criss-cross the length and breadth of the city. Remember transportation is one of the major issues in the city and if we have fast, safe and reliable underground or on-grade rail transit system it will go a long way in fixing the traffic situation. The masterplan also delineated several areas that would be developed into mini-downtowns so that traffic to the core of the city can be reduced. The city also desperately needs highways and expressway which are a norm in North American cities. Lyari Expressway would be finished on war basis, Malir Expressway would be constructed post-haste. Shahrah-e-Faisal will be converted into a highway. Southern bypass would be created which connects Karachi Port with Phase 8 and then extended to Korangi.

3. Water is another one of the most massive issues of Karachi. At the moment the city's demand is far greater than what can be supplied from the Hub river, but since money is not an issue we can utilize the sea water and setup massive desalination plants near the coast and pump the water to the major consumption centers. A holistic study would also be undertaken of the sewerage system of the city. Major trunk sewers would be constructed that are sized to meet the city's requirement for the next 100 years atleast. The sewerage water would not be dumped to the sea as it is done at the moment, waste-water plants would be constructed that can handle the load.

4. Outsource the trash collection to a reputed international company and develop massive landfills and recycling facilities. The company would be responsible for the complete trash collection and upkeep of the city and would be massively fined for any transgressions. The government would buy the trash collected by the company and utilize it to produce power. It has been implemented in other places as well, Sweden buys trash from other countries to produce power.

5. There are many more issues but these are the absolute major ones which need to dealt with ASAP

Sorry for the long post, you can probably tell I'm quite passionate about this topic

 

[Syed1]

I would also like to add that whether PML-N or PPP is in the center makes absolutely no difference to Karachi. Both parties try their best to destroy the city. The people of Karachi always to live by apni madad aap method.

 

[Moiza]

1. Karachi is run by several different organizations like the KMC, KDA, Sindh government, DHA, KWSB, etc. My first step would be to dissolve all of these overlapping organizations and form one district government that administrators governance over the entire city. Dictator Musharraf's era had more "jamhooriat" than these jamhoori governments as the city had a City District Government that oversaw everything in the city except for the Cantonments.

2. Strict implementation of the master plan that was painstakingly developed during Mustafa Kamal's era. The masterplan envisioned several mass transit rail lines that would criss-cross the length and breadth of the city. Remember transportation is one of the major issues in the city and if we have fast, safe and reliable underground or on-grade rail transit system it will go a long way in fixing the traffic situation. The masterplan also delineated several areas that would be developed into mini-downtowns so that traffic to the core of the city can be reduced. The city also desperately needs highways and expressway which are a norm in North American cities. Lyari Expressway would be finished on war basis, Malir Expressway would be constructed post-haste. Shahrah-e-Faisal will be converted into a highway. Southern bypass would be created which connects Karachi Port with Phase 8 and then extended to Korangi.

3. Water is another one of the most massive issues of Karachi. At the moment the city's demand is far greater than what can be supplied from the Hub river, but since money is not an issue we can utilize the sea water and setup massive desalination plants near the coast and pump the water to the major consumption centers. A holistic study would also be undertaken of the sewerage system of the city. Major trunk sewers would be constructed that are sized to meet the city's requirement for the next 100 years atleast. The sewerage water would not be dumped to the sea as it is done at the moment, waste-water plants would be constructed that can handle the load.

4. Outsource the trash collection to a reputed international company and develop massive landfills and recycling facilities. The company would be responsible for the complete trash collection and upkeep of the city and would be massively fined for any transgressions. The government would buy the trash collected by the company and utilize it to produce power. It has been implemented in other places as well, Sweden buys trash from other countries to produce power.

5. There are many more issues but these are the absolute major ones which need to dealt with ASAP

Sorry for the long post, you can probably tell I'm quite passionate about this topic

Points presented are very good but do you think with the avaliable resources all of this is possible?

True. The people of Karachi have also become to numb to this treatment. It's surprising how little attention karachi gets despite being the business hub of pakistan. That is why I'm very pro dividing karachi. It's too big to handle and people have given up hope on the basis that you can't bring change to a city which is the size of Karachi. I expect karachi to be the 2nd most populated city of the world when the census results are announced.

Unimaginable size and with Pakistani people running it I don't see any way of Karachi getting managed. It would nice if you had 30-40 islamabads than 1 big karachi, much more manageable.

 

[Slog]

A good start would be to give Atleast half of what Karachi contributes in taxes to the country back to the city for its development

Even by the MOST CONSERVATIVE estimates Karachi contributes to more than 50 percent of the tax revenue collected in the whole damn country. It all ends up in Lahore

 

[Moiza]

A good start would be to give Atleast half of what Karachi contributes in taxes to the country back to the city for its development

Even by the MOST CONSERVATIVE estimates Karachi contributes to more than 50 percent of the tax revenue collected in the whole damn country. It all ends up in Lahore

Not arguing over the fact the Karachi is in fact the largest tax producing city of Pakistan but the figure we usually hear are skewed since they include the customs tax, which due to the location of our ports come in the portion of Karachi. So, if you were to remove the custom taxes then the picture would be much clearer as to how much does karachi actually collects in Taxes. I'll emphasis on it again, there is no doubt Karachi is the largest producer but including custom as a part of karachi taxes is unfair, had lahore been the sea touching city then it would have been the largest tax producer. The fact that Pakistan Imports so much stuff only increases the difference b/w what karachi actually produces and what is collected as customs.

If in a perfect world Karachi was to get 40% of the countries tax revenue even then I'm sure the money would get mismanaged due to the sheer size of the city. It baffles me how anyone could even think about managing karachi at the size it is now a days.

 

[Moiza]

From wikipedia

"Karachi collects a significant 53.38% of the total collections of the Federal Board of Revenue, out of which 53.33% are customs duty and sales tax on imports"

So, in reality the tax collections from karachi excluding the taxes from the ports are 25.15% of the total FBR collections.

 

[Slog]

Not arguing over the fact the Karachi is in fact the largest tax producing city of Pakistan but the figure we usually hear are skewed since they include the customs tax, which due to the location of our ports come in the portion of Karachi. So, if you were to remove the custom taxes then the picture would be much clearer as to how much does karachi actually collects in Taxes. I'll emphasis on it again, there is no doubt Karachi is the largest producer but including custom as a part of karachi taxes is unfair, had lahore been the sea touching city then it would have been the largest tax producer. The fact that Pakistan Imports so much stuff only increases the difference b/w what karachi actually produces and what is collected as customs.

If in a perfect world Karachi was to get 40% of the countries tax revenue even then I'm sure the money would get mismanaged due to the sheer size of the city. It baffles me how anyone could even think about managing karachi at the size it is now a days.

Last year I remember some economist calculated that even if you take out the revenue collected solely due to port Karachi still contributes more than Lahore, Islamabad put together. So it's a moot point. In any case your argument doesn't make sense. Every city in the world has aspects specifically cited to it and that's how the world works and you can't seperate what doesn't help your own argument. Next you'll say that the revenue collected by local govt in Llahore on tourist visits to Mughal monuments such as shalimar gardens should not count as it's unfair to count that?!?

 

[Moiza]

Last year I remember some economist calculated that even if you take out the revenue collected solely due to port Karachi still contributes more than Lahore, Islamabad put together. So it's a moot point. In any case your argument doesn't make sense. Every city in the world has aspects specifically cited to it and that's how the world works and you can't seperate what doesn't help your own argument. Next you'll say that the revenue collected by local govt in Llahore on tourist visits to Mughal monuments such as shalimar gardens should not count as it's unfair to count that?!?

So, according to your logic Sui (Balochistan) deserves all the related tax revenues on the Gas it supplies to the country? Or maybe when the Gawadar ports becomes operational then all the related custom and sales tax collections should go to gawadar? Or maybe kashmir should also get a big chuck of tax collections because of the mangla dam?

Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore are responsible for 83% of the entire country's tax collections (direct), I find it hard to believe that Karachi is contributing more than Islamabd and Lahore if you exclude the ports realted collections. A reference to the study you are referring to would be helpful.

 

[Slog]

So, according to your logic Sui (Balochistan) deserves all the related tax revenues on the Gas it supplies to the country? Or maybe when the Gawadar ports becomes operational then all the related custom and sales tax collections should go to gawadar? Or maybe kashmir should also get a big chuck of tax collections because of the mangla dam?

obviously not. read again

im saying there should be equitable distribution. I dont mind revenue sourced from karachi uplifting folks in punjab but i dont think anyone can deny that only one city in one province is getting lions share of the tax revenue being routed to it. ofcourse the sindh provincial govt has a large blame to take. Ideally what i would want is that there should be distribution based on city population with karachi getting more share for a few years due to the infrastructure development and upkeep requirement. in long term it will only help country as the city is dilapidated resulting in many inefficiencies (Right now distribution is mostly provincial population wise btw)

ill reference the article when im on laptop. on phone now. it should be somewhere in my old posts (or on the other cricket forum). had a debate with endymion

 

[Moiza]

obviously not. read again

im saying there should be equitable distribution. I dont mind revenue sourced from karachi uplifting folks in punjab but i dont think anyone can deny that only one city in one province is getting lions share of the tax revenue being routed to it. ofcourse the sindh provincial govt has a large blame to take. Ideally what i would want is that there should be distribution based on city population with karachi getting more share for a few years due to the infrastructure development and upkeep requirement. in long term it will only help country as the city is dilapidated resulting in many inefficiencies (Right now distribution is mostly provincial population wise btw)

ill reference the article when im on laptop. on phone now. it should be somewhere in my old posts (or on the other cricket forum). had a debate with endymion

No doubt about it but what can you expect from N league? All things aside, sindh's proposed budget for the year is Rs 870 and there is no doubt that the majority of this will go to Karachi and ultimately end up mismanaged. As it stands today, Karachi is the second most populous city in the world and is showing no signs of any slow down in growth, area wise Karachi is the 2nd or the 3rd largest city. The size at which karachi stands is unbelievable, I think even gooray would find it impossible to manage it let alone desis.

So, I still keep my stance, even if karachi was to get as much revenue as it wanted, managing it as a whole is an impossible task for anyone. If Karachi is broken into 10 parts then each part will have more population than Islamabad. The current population of Islamabad is around 2 million and it has started to show how CDA is finding it hard to manage it, I can only pity the organization that have the task of managing karachi.

 

[Pakistanian]

sell it to the arabs

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Well a good start would be for Karachi people to develop a backbone and stop electing Mafia and anti national parties.

 

[shark11]

Well a good start would be for Karachi people to develop a backbone and stop electing Mafia and anti national parties.

You better keep your opinions to yourself and do not try to blabber without and evidence or logic and do not make an attempt to derail the thread if you cannot provide good suggestions because you look like an idiot...People of khi are way smarter than Lahoris who are the dumbest and don't have brains or lack of common sense as they have been voting for the most corrupt party Noora league every time in elections whose policies directly affects the citizens of the whole country rather than a city.

 

[Moiza]

You better keep your opinions to yourself and do not try to blabber without and evidence or logic and do not make an attempt to derail the thread if you cannot provide good suggestions because you look like an idiot...People of khi are way smarter than Lahoris who are the dumbest and don't have brains or lack of common sense as they have been voting for the most corrupt party Noora league every time in elections whose policies directly affects the citizens of the whole country rather than a city.

I'm neutral here but IMO electing PMLN is a better option than electing MQM to represent you.

 

[Slog]

I'm neutral here but IMO electing PMLN is a better option than electing MQM to represent you.

PML-N has done more damage to Pakistan than MQM though

 

[Moiza]

PML-N has done more damage to Pakistan than MQM though

Not arguing over that. If you look at it from the perspective of the cities then N does a lot for Lahore, now if you were to have a party just like N for Karachi too then the competition for resources would balancing things out but MQM does not care what happens to Karachi and ultimately all the funds are funneled to Lahore. In essence, if everyone elected people who wanted to work for their city then every city would be better off.

 

[Slog]

Not arguing over that. If you look at it from the perspective of the cities then N does a lot for Lahore, now if you were to have a party just like N for Karachi too then the competition for resources would balancing things out but MQM does not care what happens to Karachi and ultimately all the funds are funneled to Lahore. In essence, if everyone elected people who wanted to work for their city then every city would be better off.

true in that sense. and mqm are thugs rather than a political party for me. pml-n i atleast consider a political party who i disagree with vehemently

but was just correcting a false narrative that mqm has caused more damage to Pakistan.

 

[Waseem]

Imran Khan says Karachi's political set-up requires an empowered local govt

Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan, while addressing a gathering of traders in Karachi on Labour Day, drew parallels between KP and Sindh from the perspective of administrative and political challenges that stand in the way of efficient governance.

The devolution of power, police reforms, tax collection and nepotism were a few areas he touched upon in his speech.

"When Karachi Mayor Wasim Akhtar complains about not having enough authority, he's right," said Khan, speaking about the importance of empowered institutions.

"The more you devolve power the more efficient your systems will be. Devolution is really important for Karachi. The current set-up is neither here nor there," he said, stressing the importance of having democratically elected representatives being answerable to the public.

"In Peshawar. the mayor gets to spend 30 per cent of the development budget," he said.

Among other things, Khan considers the rooting out of corruption as one of PTI's significant achievements in KP.

"Why are we getting record levels of investment in KP? Because companies know that they won't have to pay bribes at every level. They know that if they spot something unusual, they can tell Imran Khan about it and Imran Khan will take action," he said.

On police, law and order, Khan said that KP police, after being reformed, stood at a much better place than they once did.

"How did we improve KP's policing? We installed IG Nasir Durrani and gave him authority," he said, adding; "The police is so politicised in Punjab, almost all our leadership in Punjab has cases registered against them."

Scoffing at the role of the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), Pakistan's apex tax collecting authority, Khan said: "Pakistan is a very generous nation. We give more in charity than we do in taxes. What does that indicate?"

He spoke about creating an environment where people pay taxes out of choice as opposed to compulsion, stressing that it was only possible if taxpayers could see their money being spent on their own development.

Khan ended his speech by thanking the traders present at the occasion. He reminded them how significant their contributions had been in setting up the Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital.

"When I started my campaign to launch Shaukat Khanum, a lot of people encouraged me but only a few actually donated money. The traders helped a lot," he said.

Khan concluded his Labour Day speech by directing PTI leader Asad Umar to set-up a committee that would be responsible for registering and addressing the concerns of traders.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1330392/i...tical-set-up-requires-an-empowered-local-govt

 

[Waseem]

Imran Khan says Karachi's political set-up requires an empowered local govt

This is exactly how Karachi's problems can be fixed and it's not just a politician issuing random statement, karachi's mayor and Imran's rival has specifically asked KPK like power to resolve issues and this is the first time he has come to power.

Sindh and Punjab's IGs have also demanded powers similar to KPK which again shows a person who is not power hungry can bring real change NOT those who have enjoyed power for decades and won't give up an inch to strengthen institutions.

 

[Syed1]

Well a good start would be for Karachi people to develop a backbone and stop electing Mafia and anti national parties.

Well people of Lahore and Punjab voted for Ganja league en masse, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well people of Lahore and Punjab voted for Ganja league en masse, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Even after PTI getting Robbed of 35-50 seats in Punjab mostly Urban Punjab they still grabbed most number of Seats in Punjab and emerged as number 2.


Had it been a free and fair election than still either PTI needed to make compromises with PPP, MQM & JUI F to make a weak federal government (very unlikely) or they would have been a much stronger Opposition Party who would have either forced a less stronger Nawaz government to mend it's ways ie build reform national institutes or else get thrown away through a Midterm Election. But

This is why the Establishment engineered elections. ISI reads the Pulse of Nation very very well. They could see massive PTI jalsas in Urban Punjab, they knew in Urban Punjab it's 50-50 between PTI & PML N while in Rural Punjab its 70-30 in favour of PML N. They knew that educated youth and middle class Urban Punjab will still matter alot despite PTI being on Opposition benches.


I respect you and you are an agressive, emotional, educated Pakistani but You take quite alot of digs at Lahore and Lahoris.


Even many neutral aswell as anti-Imran analysts have said and written this that Imran Khan's Lahore Jalsa of 2011 was the biggest Political Jalsa of last 35 years. Imran at that time didn't even have 1 seat in Parliament. Imran was standing in the heart of Punjab which has been thought to be Garhh of Nawaz Sharif for last 30 years. Jalsa's had not modernised so nobody can say that people went there for music or fun. It was that Jalsa which changed the trends.


Hope you saw Azaadi March footage of Lahore aswell. I hope you don't call those 1 million people of Lahore as PML N supporters & voters.


After this you expect a National hero Pride of Pakistan to lose an Election from Ayaz Sadiq ? who finally in 3rd attempt won by 3000 votes after shifting of 20,000 voters from other constuency to his ? That too against a politically nobody Aleem Khan ? And this Ayaz could beat Imran Khan ? If Ayaz can beat Imran Khan from Lahore than PTI shouldn't be able to win a single seat from entire Punjab.


In Election Inquiry Commision topi drama did the SC even open 4 constituencies ? Were the votes verified through Nadra ? No. They just checked forms and that's it. From Bushra Aitzaz constituency who is from PPP why upon opening ballot boxes " Raddi " was found out ? The Lahori Punjabi's casted Raddi or votes ?


If IK is your leader is he is a Liar ? Is he lying about Khwaja Saad Rafique Constituency ? Why did Saad kept on taking highcourt stays ? Why ? If Lahoris gave him majority than why was he hiding behind stay orders ?


Had the PML N got actual Majority in these numbers from Punjab than on the floor of Parliament Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif the Prime Minister of Pakistan would have said within one month that I accept Imran Khan's demand of opening 4 constituencies and the EC and SC should go ahead. Than there would have been No dharna etc and if IK would have been proved wrong than his politics would have been drowned forever.


Now Coming to Karachi & Sindh. Sindhi's still support PPP in massive numbers and even in a fully free and fair Election both PML and PTI can't even win 10 Seats from entire Sindh if you keep aside Khi & Hyderabad. Personally I have no issues. If Sindhis want PPP it's their right to chose them. As far as Khi and Hyderabad are concerned there are two things :


1. Yes there is Support for PTI

2. Yes there is Support for MQM


First let me address point 2. MQM has delivered for Urdu Speaking people. They have deep roots in Public more than any other political party. They have delivered to their people be it be Jobs or Local government system whenever they were in Power. Especially in Musharaff's era.


Whatever MQM is they are usually very nice with those who are attached with them and those who vote them. Bhatta & target issue wasn't a problem with most of those millions middle class Mqm supporters and voters. And in Khi Bhatta & target killing cannot be associated only with MQM. Whenever they take anti Establishment stance than the establishment associates everything bad wrt Khi & Hyderabad with MQM. Amjad Sabri's killing is just one example. There are many Maafia's gangs and terrorists in Hyd & Khi and police force is too too small for these huge cities. Yes MQM has its role but whatever is Sold to Us through media is not the actual reality.


Now coming to IK. IK's major Khi & hyderabad support is from educated people and higher middle class to lower elite class people. These are people who are fedup from People's party and are ex PPP voters or some are those who want Azaadi from MQM and want to vote freely.


Now in 2013 elections MQM's negative side will still strong enough so many prospective PTI voters couldn't vote for PTI because of genuine life threats. Here I am talking about educated upper middle class group. To save their life they had to vote for MQM. While in some constituencies you know better that how MQM Maafia got hold of the polling offices.


If you compare this with Punjab than in Rural punjab the poverty striken people have to vote for PML N Wadera otherwise vandalism will take its course along with financial punishments. While on the other hand there are less educated people with lesser Shaoor than they definitely love Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif and vote for him in massive numbers. But Elections of say Lahore, Sargodha, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad etc aren't comparable with Khi & Hyderabad.


So I agree k jisay apni jaan maal izzat ka khatra hai wo bichara chahtay husy bhee Imran Khan ko vote nai dey sakta in certain areas of Khi & Hyd. But now MQM ka kaafi hadd takk negative zorr toot chuka hai.


Now the current problem of PTI in Khi & Hyderabad is non availability of Candidates. I want people like Vohra the deputy Mayor Khi to be in PTI plus honest educated PPP people to jump the ship but it isn't happening. Imran eluded to this problem today while adressing Memon Community that I need people who don't need to do politics for bread and butter but rather who want to serve their people. He said that fine one Memon brother does business and other enters Politics it would and should work. He said that I know many educated Khi & Hyd people who are well established and have leadership qualities but they say we are with you in this mission and we support you from back benches. Well in Politics you need candidates to win election. People like Arif Alvi, Asad Omar etc.


Now you see the dirty game ? Many honest, efucated, middle class, Non fascist bezarrar leaders from MQM planted into PSP ? ? Otherwise they had to face the music in jails.


Not all are clean but if given a choice than they would want to join an emerging national party like PTI.


To weaken not only MQM but to crush hopes of PTI the same people who don't want IK in Power created PSP. Whether PSP wins or not they won't either form Sindh government nor Central government but they massively affect PTI.


If IK clean sweeps KPK, wins seats from Khi & Hyd as per his ground support, wins Majority from Urban Punjab as per his Support than he can form a PPP esque 2008 Federal government. But


He is not wanted by Bureaucracy, Judiciary, Army, PPP, JUI F & PML N because since he himself is financially clean himself so IK ne aatay saath he jhurloo pherna hai left right aor Phir subka kerha ehtisaab hoga including PTI people & Army along with other institues and politicians because NAB, FIA, FBR will get Azaad.


Note : Balochistan's 85 % elections are fully engineered. The Largest Province of Pakistan has zero say in Pakistan Politics.

 

[Syed1]

Even after PTI getting Robbed of 35-50 seats in Punjab mostly Urban Punjab they still grabbed most number of Seats in Punjab and emerged as number 2.


Had it been a free and fair election than still either PTI needed to make compromises with PPP, MQM & JUI F to make a weak federal government (very unlikely) or they would have been a much stronger Opposition Party who would have either forced a less stronger Nawaz government to mend it's ways ie build reform national institutes or else get thrown away through a Midterm Election. But

This is why the Establishment engineered elections. ISI reads the Pulse of Nation very very well. They could see massive PTI jalsas in Urban Punjab, they knew in Urban Punjab it's 50-50 between PTI & PML N while in Rural Punjab its 70-30 in favour of PML N. They knew that educated youth and middle class Urban Punjab will still matter alot despite PTI being on Opposition benches.


I respect you and you are an agressive, emotional, educated Pakistani but You take quite alot of digs at Lahore and Lahoris.


Even many neutral aswell as anti-Imran analysts have said and written this that Imran Khan's Lahore Jalsa of 2011 was the biggest Political Jalsa of last 35 years. Imran at that time didn't even have 1 seat in Parliament. Imran was standing in the heart of Punjab which has been thought to be Garhh of Nawaz Sharif for last 30 years. Jalsa's had not modernised so nobody can say that people went there for music or fun. It was that Jalsa which changed the trends.


Hope you saw Azaadi March footage of Lahore aswell. I hope you don't call those 1 million people of Lahore as PML N supporters & voters.


After this you expect a National hero Pride of Pakistan to lose an Election from Ayaz Sadiq ? who finally in 3rd attempt won by 3000 votes after shifting of 20,000 voters from other constuency to his ? That too against a politically nobody Aleem Khan ? And this Ayaz could beat Imran Khan ? If Ayaz can beat Imran Khan from Lahore than PTI shouldn't be able to win a single seat from entire Punjab.


In Election Inquiry Commision topi drama did the SC even open 4 constituencies ? Were the votes verified through Nadra ? No. They just checked forms and that's it. From Bushra Aitzaz constituency who is from PPP why upon opening ballot boxes " Raddi " was found out ? The Lahori Punjabi's casted Raddi or votes ?


If IK is your leader is he is a Liar ? Is he lying about Khwaja Saad Rafique Constituency ? Why did Saad kept on taking highcourt stays ? Why ? If Lahoris gave him majority than why was he hiding behind stay orders ?


Had the PML N got actual Majority in these numbers from Punjab than on the floor of Parliament Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif the Prime Minister of Pakistan would have said within one month that I accept Imran Khan's demand of opening 4 constituencies and the EC and SC should go ahead. Than there would have been No dharna etc and if IK would have been proved wrong than his politics would have been drowned forever.


Now Coming to Karachi & Sindh. Sindhi's still support PPP in massive numbers and even in a fully free and fair Election both PML and PTI can't even win 10 Seats from entire Sindh if you keep aside Khi & Hyderabad. Personally I have no issues. If Sindhis want PPP it's their right to chose them. As far as Khi and Hyderabad are concerned there are two things :


1. Yes there is Support for PTI

2. Yes there is Support for MQM


First let me address point 2. MQM has delivered for Urdu Speaking people. They have deep roots in Public more than any other political party. They have delivered to their people be it be Jobs or Local government system whenever they were in Power. Especially in Musharaff's era.


Whatever MQM is they are usually very nice with those who are attached with them and those who vote them. Bhatta & target issue wasn't a problem with most of those millions middle class Mqm supporters and voters. And in Khi Bhatta & target killing cannot be associated only with MQM. Whenever they take anti Establishment stance than the establishment associates everything bad wrt Khi & Hyderabad with MQM. Amjad Sabri's killing is just one example. There are many Maafia's gangs and terrorists in Hyd & Khi and police force is too too small for these huge cities. Yes MQM has its role but whatever is Sold to Us through media is not the actual reality.


Now coming to IK. IK's major Khi & hyderabad support is from educated people and higher middle class to lower elite class people. These are people who are fedup from People's party and are ex PPP voters or some are those who want Azaadi from MQM and want to vote freely.


Now in 2013 elections MQM's negative side will still strong enough so many prospective PTI voters couldn't vote for PTI because of genuine life threats. Here I am talking about educated upper middle class group. To save their life they had to vote for MQM. While in some constituencies you know better that how MQM Maafia got hold of the polling offices.


If you compare this with Punjab than in Rural punjab the poverty striken people have to vote for PML N Wadera otherwise vandalism will take its course along with financial punishments. While on the other hand there are less educated people with lesser Shaoor than they definitely love Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif and vote for him in massive numbers. But Elections of say Lahore, Sargodha, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad etc aren't comparable with Khi & Hyderabad.


So I agree k jisay apni jaan maal izzat ka khatra hai wo bichara chahtay husy bhee Imran Khan ko vote nai dey sakta in certain areas of Khi & Hyd. But now MQM ka kaafi hadd takk negative zorr toot chuka hai.


Now the current problem of PTI in Khi & Hyderabad is non availability of Candidates. I want people like Vohra the deputy Mayor Khi to be in PTI plus honest educated PPP people to jump the ship but it isn't happening. Imran eluded to this problem today while adressing Memon Community that I need people who don't need to do politics for bread and butter but rather who want to serve their people. He said that fine one Memon brother does business and other enters Politics it would and should work. He said that I know many educated Khi & Hyd people who are well established and have leadership qualities but they say we are with you in this mission and we support you from back benches. Well in Politics you need candidates to win election. People like Arif Alvi, Asad Omar etc.


Now you see the dirty game ? Many honest, efucated, middle class, Non fascist bezarrar leaders from MQM planted into PSP ? ? Otherwise they had to face the music in jails.


Not all are clean but if given a choice than they would want to join an emerging national party like PTI.


To weaken not only MQM but to crush hopes of PTI the same people who don't want IK in Power created PSP. Whether PSP wins or not they won't either form Sindh government nor Central government but they massively affect PTI.


If IK clean sweeps KPK, wins seats from Khi & Hyd as per his ground support, wins Majority from Urban Punjab as per his Support than he can form a PPP esque 2008 Federal government. But


He is not wanted by Bureaucracy, Judiciary, Army, PPP, JUI F & PML N because since he himself is financially clean himself so IK ne aatay saath he jhurloo pherna hai left right aor Phir subka kerha ehtisaab hoga including PTI people & Army along with other institues and politicians because NAB, FIA, FBR will get Azaad.


Note : Balochistan's 85 % elections are fully engineered. The Largest Province of Pakistan has zero say in Pakistan Politics.

Beautiful post, and for the record I am sorry if I offended you. I have nothing against Punjabis in general and Lahoris in particular, heck I even married one.

A good analysis of the electoral situation of Pakistan. Unfortunately Karachi will remain divided in 2018 as well. PPP will win from interior Sindh, while MQM/PSP and PTI will share Karachi and Hyderabad. I expect PTI to do better than last time. They did win the more affluent parts of the city in 2013 and were close runner-ups in other locations.

Hopefully whatever happens in 2018, it puts Pakistan on a path of progress and we get rid of this provincialism and "idhaar hum udhaar tum" type of politics. You are correct that the actual people who hold power would never want to see a party like PTI or leader like IK rise to the top as this might mean noose around their own necks as well.