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I am afraid the Indian team is heading towards the dark era of the 1990s

I also believe this is the case, however I am far more happy seeing it happen.

No one in India will be able to replace Kohli or even Rohit. The bowling attack is overly reliant on Bumrah and the players are playing too much cricket.
 
I think ur Pakistani😂😂....but our neighbours also come to our support like today's match and 2007 world cup bizzare exits
 
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Indian fans did not realise the importance of Dhoni as a captain and then Kohli as a match winner.

They thought they had a line of superstars waiting and were eager to push those out, they’re seeing the results now.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
India haven't been the same in LOIs since Dhoni gave up the captaincy.
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The decline set in even when he was our captain.

Our true downfall started under Kohli who single handedly destroyed our batting by making overly reliant on top-3. More often than not, this top-3 failed in crucial knockout games and the entire team had to bear the brunt.
 
Forum363 said:
Indian fans did not realise the importance of Dhoni as a captain and then Kohli as a match winner.

They thought they had a line of superstars waiting and were eager to push those out, they’re seeing the results now.
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Dhoni retired 4 years too late, played 1 ODI WC too many.
 
The only issue is Dravid, he is a pathetic coach and needs to be kicked out.
 
Dhoni is form out from 2015...he should have gracefully retired after that world cup...this was bound to happen.... every good thing has to end some where...
 
Batting is okay.
Bowling is bad.
Which is usual but what about India fielding, it seems like Afghanistan have better catchers.
 
Mamoon said:
The only issue is Dravid, he is a pathetic coach and needs to be kicked out.
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Loool Dravid must be the most influential puppet master in cricket history then to have such an impact.

Truth is he is just a convenient punching bag. A coping mechanism 🙂
 
Worst batting setup was in 2019 world cup...once top 3 gone we Were finished....pak going the same route now....we had our lesson in clt17 finals and paid heavy price in 2019 semis...

Even the 1990s team with fixers had a decent batting line-up
 
Dravid was a poor captain and equally poor coach. I remember he was the puppet of Greg Chappel and now puppet of Rohit.
 
The cricketer i hate the most Rahul Dravid....he is totally shameless..
How can earth can he coach a T20 team or LOI TEAM ???
 
Were are our #ThankYouIPL brigade members? [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] :inti
 
ezhil said:
The cricketer i hate the most Rahul Dravid....he is totally shameless..
How can earth can he coach a T20 team or LOI TEAM ???
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You can criticise his coaching but Dravid was an excellent cricketer and one of the most down to earth guy. He should have continued coaching India under 19 team. I said this at that time also. :inti
 
Down to earth attitude will make us meek ....we should be aggressive like the Aussies and pakies....otherwise we will be run over decade along...
Dravid is a test match great....
But he should be never near a limited overs team
 
Atleast how many ipls have dravid won or any international odi tournament trophies in his captaincy.....????he will always wake after half the series over....he is not going to be bold.... atleast shastri being a desi coach coupled with Kohli aggression made India a great test team....how can we lose the rsa tour after 1-0..????
 
Rahul Dravid was an awful captain

And now proving to be awful coach !

Now I understand why things went south under Greg Chappel. Bcoz the captain DRavid had no personality and let Greg dominate the dressing room !
 
19th over story

19 runs vs pak
14 runs vs sl
16 runs vs aus

Still going with same plan ..Poor bowling rotation from Rohit.
 
ezhil said:
Down to earth attitude will make us meek ....we should be aggressive like the Aussies and pakies....otherwise we will be run over decade along...
Dravid is a test match great....
But he should be never near a limited overs team
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Dravid is not down to earth

He is basically a timid character. Does not have any personality. Only fit to be vice captain or junior coach. Never a leader
 
Absolutely worst time to be an Indian fan. Process doesn’t matter in InTL cricket results do, Dravid should go back to U-19, Rohit should up his captaincy or change it a bit.
 
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MP2011 said:
Dhoni retired 4 years too late, played 1 ODI WC too many.
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Thats exactly the issue. His output as a player might have declined but as a leader he offered so much.

I genuinely think with him as captain and keeper batting at number 7, india would have won more of the last 20 t20s.

I know for a fact he would not have let Pakistan chase down that last score.
 
Relax. With Bumrah returning, this dark era will suddenly turn into the golden age of Indian cricket.
 
ezhil said:
Our team state is pathetic.....
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Over reaction....indian needs to figure out whats their best fast bowlin lineup is....too much changes right now....you are set in batting, have decent spinnners but seems like your fast bowling plan is to just jerk around with the line up.
 
Blame the selection committee. You cannot have 130k trundlers bowling on highways in T20's. No total is safe when your bowlers bowl gun barrel straight at gentle pace.
 
Indian coaches and selectors do not like fast men. They prefer dibbly dobbly one trick ponies in their bowling attack.
 
hamara middle order lei lo, lei lo hum se hamaray power shytters i mean power hitters...
 
Lol it's funny seeing Dravid being made the scapegoat.

When Kohli's form went down he used to be the scapegoat because he was captain. "Panauti" etc. Some even used to be angry with him because "he isn't good at toss.."

They thought the moment Rohit becomes captain he will unleash the true potential of the team which is being held back by panauti Kohli.

Now that he is the captain and the team appears in freefall, the fans have found an easy target in poor Dravid.

Headcoach is nowhere near as important guys. Not in cricket.
 
Over reaction.

All these T20 results should be taken with a bucket of salt. Except maybe the world Cup.

In ODIs, we have just beaten a world Champion England side in their backyard.

And we're still very much in contention to play our second consecutive World Test championship final.

People really should open the archives and check out our team's "achievements" in the 90s before making these reactive statements.
 
Over reaction. Every team have some issues. India at the moment are not playing their best bowling line-up. With Bumrah back it will streghten their team. 4 overs are 20% of innings in a T20 game so only this change will have massive impact.
Enjoy the batting of Hardik and Axar Patel's bowling today. There are a few positives also.
 
NishanKonar said:
If a captain keeps selecting Bhuvi after so many failures and the manager is not doing anything about it - he deserves the blame
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Deepak chahar is better than bhuvi . He can hit some 20 odd runs in 10 balls as well. If the track offers some swing he is on par with bhuvi in terms of bowling. Chahar may not bring fear in opposite team but he is better than bhuvi. Chahar ,Arshdeep and Bumrah need to be 3 pacers if india is serious about bieng a strong contender at world cup
 
In a year or two rohit is going to retire...
Then our darkest hour will come
 
parrosi jaan bujh kr negative threads bana rahay hain, so they can be underdogs and remove some pressure... 🤭
 
Mesozoic said:
Over reaction.

All these T20 results should be taken with a bucket of salt. Except maybe the world Cup.

In ODIs, we have just beaten a world Champion England side in their backyard.

And we're still very much in contention to play our second consecutive World Test championship final.

People really should open the archives and check out our team's "achievements" in the 90s before making these reactive statements.
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India lost 3-0 in ODIs to a 2nd string SA bowling lineup....so it's not looking that rosy even in that format.
 
India lost the first T20I against Australia despite posting a mammoth total of 208 runs on the board and captain Rohit Sharma didn't mince any words when he was asked about the loss. Rohit put the blame squarely on India's pathetic bowling performance in the match. Experienced seam bowler Bhuvneshwar Kumar conceded 52 runs in 4 overs, while Harshal Patel was taken for 49 runs in his full quota. Leg spinner Yuzvendra Chahal was hit for 42 in 3.2 overs and despite a heroic spell of 3/17 from Axar Patel, the Aussies beat India on canter eventually.

"I don't think we bowled well. 200 is a good score to defend, and we didn't take our chances in the field. It was a great effort from our batters, but bowlers were quite not there. There are things we need to look at," a disappointed Rohit said at the presentation ceremony.

"We know this is a high-scoring ground. You can't relax even if you get 200. We took wickets to an extent, but they played really well. They played some extra-ordinary shots. If I was in that changing room, I would expect to chase that total. You can back yourself to get 60 runs in the final 4 overs. We were not able to take their wicket," he added.

This loss is quite similar to India twin losses to Pakistan and Sri Lanka in the Super 4 stage of the Asia Cup earlier this month.

While India had not scored in excess of 200 in those matches, they had still managed to get a big enough score on the board and it was the poor death bowling by the pacers that cost India those two matches as well.

The spotlight is firmly on India's bowling ahead of the remaining two matches of the series.

NDTV
 
Mamoon said:
The only issue is Dravid, he is a pathetic coach and needs to be kicked out.
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Must be painful to see your rockstars getting beaten to a pulp and get humiliated wherever they go?
 
Btw expect a slow pitch next up that will give the TM chance to say hiw good is BK.
 
Mamoon said:
Still far ahead of talentless Pakistan team and will remain so.
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Lmao, more pain as the talentless pakistani team continues to dominate them from the past year. Even the sole won match was won with tears.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What are the selectors doing?
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Selectors are also a problem, but Dravid is unable to extract the best out of what he is given.

Look at what Shastri did with the fringe players after Adelaide debacle in 2021. Imagine Dravid in that position, India would have lost 4-0 under watch.

Coaching/captaining Indian team is a different beast. Not everyone can manage the pressure. Dravid was not able to do it as captain and he is not able to do it as coach.

He is a quiet invisible who thrives when he is under the radar. As a batsman he never wanted to be the main man and as coach he was in his comfort zone at the U-19 level.

India need a more self-confident and motivating individual to coach this team. Make Pandya captain after the WT20 and get a new coach.
 
Dravid need to go. People respect him a lot due to his stature as a cricketer and hence not vocal against him like they were for Shastri. But Dravid is a meek personality who believes in safety first approach which won't work in today's cricket. He was brilliant with U19 boys and BCCI should have kept him there for scouting talents. He dosen't have the personality to coach characters like Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan etc.

It is not his fault though. Blame lies on Ganguly who has hired all his friends in main jobs like Indian coach (Dravid), NCA head (VVS). Infact, Dravid was not interested in becoming Indian coach until Ganguly pushed him hard. He also tried to involve his another buddy Tendulkar in some capacity but not successful yet.

India should adopt the approach England took. Have seperate coaches for red ball and LOIs. Let Dravid remains the coach for test matches and after our inevitable early exit in upcoming T20 world cup, make MSD white ball coach until 2023 world cup. There are few better brains than him in white ball cricket and all players respect him in dressing room too.
 
Slim said:
Lmao, more pain as the talentless pakistani team continues to dominate them from the past year. Even the sole won match was won with tears.
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Dominate? Just 3 T20 matches where the score reads 2-1.

The Asia Cup was 1-1. I have never seen a set of fans claim bragging rights and do so much chest-thumping after a 1-1 stalemate.

Sums up the minnow mentality of Pakistani fans. After years of misery and humiliation, Pakistani fans finally have something to cheer about when it comes to matches vs India. So perhaps we can forgive them for getting carried away.
 
Mamoon said:
Selectors are also a problem, but Dravid is unable to extract the best out of what he is given.

Look at what Shastri did with the fringe players after Adelaide debacle in 2021. Imagine Dravid in that position, India would have lost 4-0 under watch.

Coaching/captaining Indian team is a different beast. Not everyone can manage the pressure. Dravid was not able to do it as captain and he is not able to do it as coach.

He is a quiet invisible who thrives when he is under the radar. As a batsman he never wanted to be the main man and as coach he was in his comfort zone at the U-19 level.

India need a more self-confident and motivating individual to coach this team. Make Pandya captain after the WT20 and get a new coach.
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TBF Dravid was not the 1st choice as coach. It was Ricky Ponting

India needs a high profile foreign coach like Ponting. This will mean,

He wont have favourites in the team and may be unbiased. He wont be intimidated by superstars.

Right now the team is a club of favourites.

Thats why the likes of Ashwin Thakur BK etc get selected. This is why Rahane kept getting chances until media pressure forced the selectors to drop him.

India play KL and Rohit as openers in Tests and T20IS, but Dhawan opens in ODIs. This keeps Dhawan relevant to the team.

This is why Kuldeep Mohsin Sen Tripathi Tewatia Umran Gill Shaw Tyagi etc dont get chance.

BCCI unfortunately dont have a sacking culture since Dhoni became captain. Despite his losses Srini kept saving him. When the chairman of selectors Amarnath wanted to sack Dhoni, Srini stopped it and sacked Amarnath.

Result is that the captain and team management are immune to criticism and the selection committee made up of minnow level cricketers with little stature goes about making mistakes.
 
Bhuvi kumar doesn't have double digit wickets in last 4 of the last 5 ipls.

Even in 2019 ipl he took only 13 wickets.


Why is he in the team?
 
Ashmal said:
India lost 3-0 in ODIs to a 2nd string SA bowling lineup....so it's not looking that rosy even in that format.
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Nah it happens. It was more of a one-off really. Like Pakistan losing 3-0 to a proper England county XI. Such things happen from time to time. Our ODI team looks pretty solid currently.
 
Mesozoic said:
Nah it happens. It was more of a one-off really. Like Pakistan losing 3-0 to a proper England county XI. Such things happen from time to time. Our ODI team looks pretty solid currently.
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India has a lot of promising talents coming up for ODI. They are all at the same unfinished stage. Gill, Shaw, Ruturaj, Jaiswal. They have great bench strength. Only format they don't have many options are T20. It requires power, belligerence.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Bhuvi kumar doesn't have double digit wickets in last 4 of the last 5 ipls.

Even in 2019 ipl he took only 13 wickets.


Why is he in the team?
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Why are any of the other bowlers in the team? Chahal was trash, Avesh was trash and so was Hardik. Arshdeep has shown he is nothing special and Bumrah may be done after his injuries.

If anything, questions must be asked why Shami bhai and Siraj bhai are not in the team, when they are the best bowlers in the country.
 
This might be the world cup where both India and Pakistan have humiliating group stage exits :))

Who knows? But honestly speaking I don't think India were ever a great t20 side, especially in tournaments which is shown through their average t20 world cup performances after winning in 2007. To say India is going downhill is an overstatement and as I have said on other threads, India seems to be going through a bumpy transition phase, but things will most likely settle down soon.

A lot depends on the team culture provided by senior players like Rohit and Kohli and how well they are able to support young players coming through. Both players from an outsider's perspective seem to have big egos and a bit of a tussle with each other which obviously doesn't help.
 
Minnowbasher said:
This might be the world cup where both India and Pakistan have humiliating group stage exits :))

Who knows? But honestly speaking I don't think India were ever a great t20 side, especially in tournaments which is shown through their average t20 world cup performances after winning in 2007. To say India is going downhill is an overstatement and as I have said on other threads, India seems to be going through a bumpy transition phase, but things will most likely settle down soon.

A lot depends on the team culture provided by senior players like Rohit and Kohli and how well they are able to support young players coming through. Both players from an outsider's perspective seem to have big egos and a bit of a tussle with each other which obviously doesn't help.
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Yup. India's T20 dominance was mostly due to Kohli's batting dominance for a period. And Rohit, Bumrah. India's problem is not lack of depth. India's problem is balance. Back in 2000s India had batsmen who could bowl, bowlers could bat. Tendulkar/Sehwag/Ganguly/Raina/Yuvi all could bowl. Same way Irfan pathan, Harbhajan, Yusuf could bat down the order. So they had depth in all the areas. Nowadays India is suffering from one-dimensional syndrome. If only cricket allows to play 20 players instead of 11 they will have better team :) Right now they keep trying to balance the side with compromised picks. So even though they have a lot of bench strength always end up fielding a mediocre side in the name of balance.
 
Mamoon said:
Dominate? Just 3 T20 matches where the score reads 2-1.

The Asia Cup was 1-1. I have never seen a set of fans claim bragging rights and do so much chest-thumping after a 1-1 stalemate.

Sums up the minnow mentality of Pakistani fans. After years of misery and humiliation, Pakistani fans finally have something to cheer about when it comes to matches vs India. So perhaps we can forgive them for getting carried away.
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Common man! How hard can it be to select players in India with the massive pool of talent? There is an appalling lack of quality pacers in the Indian line up.
After Kohli is gone, the trundler culture is back and it doesn't work on roads. Clearly the team is struggling in the absence of Bumrah. I read some posters saying there are quality pacers that didn't get picked. I don't watch IPL so I don't know who Mohsin, Prasidh etc. are but I am not holding my breath after looking at Avesh, Arshdeep who were setting IPL on fire
 
I don't think India will regress to those horrible years.

Oldies are becoming non performers and bowlers for T20's are not given too much importance.

Indian Test match bowling is top class. It means the bowling is still strong. Its just the selection of the bowlers that is bad. They do not think through as to how medium pacers are going to get wickets on flat highways. You need express pace or have special tricks to be successful in T20's. The bowlers that are being picked for these T20's neither have pace nor skills.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yup. India's T20 dominance was mostly due to Kohli's batting dominance for a period. And Rohit, Bumrah. India's problem is not lack of depth. India's problem is balance. Back in 2000s India had batsmen who could bowl, bowlers could bat. Tendulkar/Sehwag/Ganguly/Raina/Yuvi all could bowl. Same way Irfan pathan, Harbhajan, Yusuf could bat down the order. So they had depth in all the areas. Nowadays India is suffering from one-dimensional syndrome. If only cricket allows to play 20 players instead of 11 they will have better team :) Right now they keep trying to balance the side with compromised picks. So even though they have a lot of bench strength always end up fielding a mediocre side in the name of balance.
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The difference was attitude. That team had a champion attitude and were mentally strong and wanted to prove that India belongs at the top.
This team and its supporters seem to have won everything.
 
Now that India & Pakistan are on relatively good terms in the political sphere, ideal time to start a discussion about a combined cricketing side. Something like this would be really good

Rohit, Babar
Kohli, Surya, Hardik
Shadab, Jadeja, Nawaz
Bumrah, Shaheen, Rauf

Lots of batting options and a decent middle-order that can score runs if needed. Bishoni etc. or a pure bowler can also replace an all-rounder if needed.
 
Farabi said:
Common man! How hard can it be to select players in India with the massive pool of talent? There is an appalling lack of quality pacers in the Indian line up.
After Kohli is gone, the trundler culture is back and it doesn't work on roads. Clearly the team is struggling in the absence of Bumrah. I read some posters saying there are quality pacers that didn't get picked. I don't watch IPL so I don't know who Mohsin, Prasidh etc. are but I am not holding my breath after looking at Avesh, Arshdeep who were setting IPL on fire
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AVesh got smacked in IPL. He is being given hances as he has been waiting for it for a while now.

Arshdeep is skilled. He is barely 20. He showed he can bowl well in the opportunites he got. He generates awkward bounce as he is very tall. Kind of like Bruce Reid from 80's.

Prasidh is a spray gun. He has height and pace. But he needs to improve his skills.

Mohsin Khan got a rough deal. He should have played for India by now.

Umran is young and needs to up his accuracy. He got carted around in the few chances he got.
 
tbh, i would love to see a Pak vs Ind Full on series here, a 5 test, 5 odi, and 5 t20i match series... tests will be very very interesting, maybe edge to Pak, odis edge clearly to ind, and t20i again very interesting as both teams are in a self implode spree here
 
Champ_Pal said:
I don't think India will regress to those horrible years.

Oldies are becoming non performers and bowlers for T20's are not given too much importance.

Indian Test match bowling is top class. It means the bowling is still strong. Its just the selection of the bowlers that is bad. They do not think through as to how medium pacers are going to get wickets on flat highways. You need express pace or have special tricks to be successful in T20's. The bowlers that are being picked for these T20's neither have pace nor skills.
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Test bowling is different from T20 bowling. Test bowlers may or may not work for T20s and vice versa.
great example is Mohd Asif who was not effective as a T20 Bowler.
Outside Bumrah, I dont see a T20 bowler in India on display, dont know about bench
 
Pak lost to a powerful English side today and another good Sri Lankan side in the Asia cup final. India couldn't even make it to the Asia Cup final for goodness sake despite having the wealthiest board and IPL. Yeah I agree with the original post that India are mince!
 
Kyun thakra ehh?

Bumrah will be back, so should be Shami and Siraj.

India will be strong again. Tension nahi leni
 
Pandya is the only saving grace for India on present form.

Kohli and Rohit are past it, Rahul's form goes up and down all his career, SKY needs more performance vs top teams and Jadeja is injured half of the times.

The less said about bowling, the better.
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Just looking at the highlights at the moment. How bad is Indian fielding, man?
 
Overall cricket quality is low from all nations....my words will come true once u see rohit exits from the scene...
We will loss to the west indies and bangla too with coach Rahul Dravid and ganguly bcci as same as the days of their captaincy
 
So as soon as Kohli steps down, the quality of fast bowling goes down, makes me wonder 🤔

Look at the body language of the team, under Kohli & Shastri these guys had real aggression, now under Rohit & Dravid its the same ‘everything goes’ attitude that dominated the 90s cricket. To top it all a non-deserving, over the hill all format captain. Sorry to note that in their eagerness to cut down Kohli & put their own stamp on the team, Ganguly & co. have killed Indian cricket. If this team tours Australia right now, they will probably fold over like a pack of cards let alone stand up to the Aussies.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Now that India & Pakistan are on relatively good terms in the political sphere, ideal time to start a discussion about a combined cricketing side. Something like this would be really good

Rohit, Babar
Kohli, Surya, Hardik
Shadab, Jadeja, Nawaz
Bumrah, Shaheen, Rauf

Lots of batting options and a decent middle-order that can score runs if needed. Bishoni etc. or a pure bowler can also replace an all-rounder if needed.
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1) Rizwan (wk)
2) Babar
3) Kohli (c)
4) SKY
5) Pandya
6) Jadeja
7) Karthik
8) Shadab
9) Rauf
10) Shaheen
11) Bumrah

12) Naseem

Unbeatable.
 
Bilal7 said:
Why are any of the other bowlers in the team? Chahal was trash, Avesh was trash and so was Hardik. Arshdeep has shown he is nothing special and Bumrah may be done after his injuries.

If anything, questions must be asked why Shami bhai and Siraj bhai are not in the team, when they are the best bowlers in the country.
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shami and siraj aren't either world beater check their ipl records they are also run machine and equally bad but you guys brings always that "M" angle to favour someone that's deep in ur culture to favour someone over their faith
 
Bilal7 said:
1) Rizwan (wk)
2) Babar
3) Kohli (c)
4) SKY
5) Pandya
6) Jadeja
7) Karthik
8) Shadab
9) Rauf
10) Shaheen
11) Bumrah

12) Naseem

Unbeatable.
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Lol at Karthik. Even an indian wouldnt put him in the list. :yk

Nawaz anyday over jadeja.
 
That's the combined XI :-

Rohit
Babar
Kohli
SKY
Pandya
Asif Ali ( folks missing him)
Jadeja/Nawaz( can go with either)
Shadab
Shaheen
Naseem
Bumrah
 
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