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"I don’t think there is anything special about Sohail Khan, Imran Khan or Rahat Ali" : Mohammad Asif

http://www.dawn.com/news/1300298/nothing-special-about-pakistans-pace-attack-asif

Former Pakistani pacer Mohammad Asif is contemplating writing a letter to International Cricket Council (ICC) to find out if the world cricket governing body has instructed the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) not to select him in the national team.

“Some information to this effect recently reached me that the PCB has been asked by the ICC not to consider me for the national team selection,” Asif told Dawn while representing WAPDA in the Super Eight match of the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy against Sui Southern Gas Company (SSGC) being played at the Niaz Stadium on Saturday.

“I don’t know how authentic is the info. On my part, I am playing regularly in the [domestic] season. So I definitely intend to ask the ICC if they have any reservations about me,” he remarked.

Asif said he is quite satisfied with his fitness. Commenting about the pace he is bowling at, Asif in a lighter vein said, “Others are not bowling from a canon....I at least bowl like them too.”

“It is fine if PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan has left it to the selectors to decide when to induct Salman Butt and me, but the selectors have to be fair and should pick those who have been performing well,”
argued the lanky pacer. “We should have been invited to the camp to show our performance but we were ignored,” he complained.

Commenting on the current pace attack of the Pakistan team, Asif said he is not very impressed. “We talk about talent...but this is all the talent that we have. I don’t think there is anything special about our pacers. It is an average sort of attack,” he said candidly.

“To develop something special, you must work hard. And of course some have abilities which are God-gifted. I’ve played a full season now but I didn’t see anything special be it Rahat [Ali] or Imran Khan or Sohail Khan.”

Asif — who has captured 15 wickets in three matches so far, is playing his fourth match here. He, however, expressed disappointment at the slow pitches being prepared in Dubai and Abu Dhabi for Pakistan Tests. “We get wickets in the UAE that favour our spinners. Yes we have won matches there and that has improved our rankings, but the truth is that playing constantly on the UAE pitches have deteriorated the standard of our cricket.”

He observed Pakistan should shift ‘home’ venue to South Africa or Sri Lanka where the pitches are better and conditions more competitive. “Even Sri Lanka has better pitches compared to UAE,” he remarked.

Asif lamented the way Pakistan batting was exposed in the recent New Zealand Test series. “A little more bounce and swing made batting a different ball game for our players there,” he said. “These things must be noted by the experts and the coaches as well as the PCB.”

“We could face a similar situation in Australia as well though pitches there will be relatively better,” he said. “Our pacers bowled short of length in New Zealand which was a wrong strategy. An out-of-form Ross Taylor managed to score a hundred as he was bowled loose deliveries by our pacers and he was allowed to cut and pull at will. None of our pacemen could force him to drive straight which is his weak area.”

He called for grooming youngsters at the academies including NCA for better results. “You see New Zealand has come up with a fine team in a population of three million. We are 200 million but our batting survives in Dubai alone where there is low bounce which can easily be negotiated”, he observed.

“I didn’t play cricket for five years but the PCB could not groom my replacement. They had to turn to Amir who is performing somewhat better though he didn’t get too many wickets in the recent matches. The reason is that he didn’t get good support from the other end. Fast bowlers often hunt in pairs but that is not happening today,”
he said.
 
Need to really put aside any emotions we have for Asif and bring him back into the team. He's a lot better than any other bowler from Pak as well as other countries with their pace attack combined together.
 
Let's see if the ICC replies him or not.

Looks like any Pcb official or selector has conveyed him this.

Inzamam (Independent Chief Selector) should also clear his stance.
 
Oh for Gods sake...stop being a typical Pakistani, criticise your team mates and then try to get into the team via this pathetic avenue.

This in not 2010!!

Lives have moved on even in Pakistan....
Come out of the dark ages!

You made your bed, now work hard and let your performance do the talking...

If it doesnt happen...then that's life!

Some peoples punishments are just longer than others, take it like a man!
 
I don’t think there is anything special about our pacers. It is an average sort of attack,” he said candidly.

I didn’t see anything special be it Rahat [Ali] or Imran Khan or Sohail Khan.”

Hahahaha now he wants to be in the same team as them. Cant tell me that divisions wont open up within the team if he is put in the squad.
 
Hahahaha now he wants to be in the same team as them. Cant tell me that divisions wont open up within the team if he is put in the squad.

No, but he is talented so anything goes. I love the excuses people make. Oh he is just 19 when he was banned, he definitely deserves a second chance, think of the humanity....

OK fair, but now why do you want a 34 year old, who was caught 4 times breaking all rules and punished 4 times pardoned a 5th time?

At least have the guts to say that it doesn't matter to you even if someone murders another person if the person is talented and can take few wickets. Why hide behind - but look at him, he is so innocent, so misled. already punished. These are all excuses to make yourself feel better. Which other country in the world will want to pardon any player a 5th time? Highly talented Andrew Symonds was banned because he was ill-disciplined.

There is nothing wrong with selecting the player you want. Its your country, your board and you are the fans. But making random excuses to make yourself feel better is the hilarious thing. Someone said above that we should set aside our "feelings" to bring Asif back. What nonsense. In fact you are actually "listening" to your feelings when you want him back, if you think logically, you never would

Pakistan has had a long saga of ignoring ill-discipline for short term gains. But not a single time has this every benefited Pakistani cricket in any way. In fighting is a direct result of long legacy carried from Imran's time. What Pakistan achieved was always despite this, not because of this. And they have lost players like Akhtar, Asif and 5 years of Amir because they "pardoned" players constantly. Akhtar's follies got worst the more he was pardoned. Asif never justified PCB taking his side. Once he is back, I am sure Amir will know this is not his last chance, he can have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chance because he is "talented" as soon as team loses a few matches
 
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No, but he is talented so anything goes. I love the excuses people make. Oh he is just 19 when he was banned, he definitely deserves a second chance, think of the humanity....

OK fair, but now why do you want a 34 year old, who was caught 4 times breaking all rules and punished 4 times pardoned a 5th time?

At least have the guts to say that it doesn't matter to you even if someone murders another person if the person is talented and can take few wickets. Why hide behind - but look at him, he is so innocent, so misled. already punished. These are all excuses to make yourself feel better. Which other country in the world will want to pardon any player a 5th time?
I have warned you about this libellous invention before.

The ICC was clear in 2010 that Mohammad Asif had a clean record under the jurisdiction of itself and the PCB.

He was never convicted of any cricketing offence prior to the spotfix - and certainly not pardoned, that is your invention - apart from a doping offence in the IPL when the IPL was an unsanctioned league that did not come under the auspices of the ICC.

He was not found guilty of any drug offence before the 2007 World Cup.

He was not convicted of any cricketing offence in regard to the traces of drugs that he had in his wallet in the UAE. That is what was later expunged from the record, but because no criminal conviction ever occurred, because the UAE public prosecutor did not lay charges.

So please stop inventing lies against Mohammad Asif.
 
Lmao he is trash talking literally everyone in the team like the ppers here and expects to get picked up in the team.:))
 
The new title of this thread actually misquotes Asif.

He did not say "I don’t think there is anything special about Sohail Khan, Imran Khan or Rahat Ali", which is a belittling comment about their ability.

He said "I didn’t see anything special be it Rahat [Ali] or Imran Khan or Sohail Khan", which is obviously a specific comment about the recently completed tour of New Zealand.

They may seem similar, but in terms of the English translation they are quite different.

Mind you, I can't speak Urdu so I am assuming that the translations are correct.
 
The new title of this thread actually misquotes Asif.

He did not say "I don’t think there is anything special about Sohail Khan, Imran Khan or Rahat Ali", which is a belittling comment about their ability.

He said "I didn’t see anything special be it Rahat [Ali] or Imran Khan or Sohail Khan", which is obviously a specific comment about the recently completed tour of New Zealand.

They may seem similar, but in terms of the English translation they are quite different.

Mind you, I can't speak Urdu so I am assuming that the translations are correct.

This is what he said I don’t think there is anything special about our pacers. It is an average sort of attack -

You are defending this trash talk about his team mates as if its OK.
 
This is what he said I don’t think there is anything special about our pacers. It is an average sort of attack -

You are defending this trash talk about his team mates as if its OK.

So he made general comments without naming the people in question - which is not trash-talking his teammates.

The whole reason why people like me are pushing for his selection is because the right-arm pacers are manifestly mediocre. If they weren't mediocre, there would be no reason to advocate for a pace bowler who is almost 34, albeit one with so few miles on the clock.

The original title of this thread was important - he was questioning whether there was a move at the ICC or PCB to exclude him from international cricket.

It's a significant question. As I showed in another thread, he has shown that he still has the skills and pace that he always had, and his fitness would be better managed by the national team than at WAPDA.

The suggestion that having proven his skills are intact and pace is intact he must then play vast amounts of domestic First Class cricket is ludicrous and indefensible.

The Formula 1 racing champion Nico Rosberg has just retired. If the PCB was responsible for any Rosberg return to Formula 1 Grand Prix racing they would presumably tell him that he had to drive a taxi for two years first before being considered for selection.
 
If I may make a bold prediction: the majority of the folks who will read this will have no issues with what he has said.
So yes Asif may have done all that as required of him, but his need to be his own biggest enemy is completely intact as this interview shows
 
If I may make a bold prediction: the majority of the folks who will read this will have no issues with what he has said.
So yes Asif may have done all that as required of him, but his need to be his own biggest enemy is completely intact as this interview shows

That's very true! :)

I wish that Pakistan had found a new top class right-arm quick bowler during his 6 years out of the game. I hoped that Ehsan Adil was going to be that man, and I was wrong.

But the bottom line is this. Pakistan has their best ever chance to win first ever Test series in Australia and the West Indies in the next six months.

And unfortunately it's not going to happen without Mohammad Asif.

What's more, I suspect that the other quick bowlers would do much better with him in the dressing room talking about how to set up the opposition batsmen than they do now.
 
And then he expects to get into the team.

And most hilariously this behavior is being appreciated by his fans.
 
That's very true! :)

I wish that Pakistan had found a new top class right-arm quick bowler during his 6 years out of the game. I hoped that Ehsan Adil was going to be that man, and I was wrong.

But the bottom line is this. Pakistan has their best ever chance to win first ever Test series in Australia and the West Indies in the next six months.

And unfortunately it's not going to happen without Mohammad Asif.

What's more, I suspect that the other quick bowlers would do much better with him in the dressing room talking about how to set up the opposition batsmen than they do now.

Come on. You know this better than I do. Without runs on the board nothing will happen. Yes I would love to see him back. As you are well aware none of our bowlers averaged below 35 vs England yet we drew the series. In fact keeping all things intact, had we batted well in the last innings of the third test match, we might have even won.
I am fine with all the lament about Asif but (a) his is being an idiot now and (b) we need to expect more from the batting.
 
And then he expects to get into the team.

And most hilariously this behavior is being appreciated by his fans.

Getting into the team is based on cricketing merit, he more than fulfills that.

The Eng translation here is giving the statement a more bad twist, but all he wanted to say was in NZ our pacers were average.

Stating a fact.
 
Getting into the team is based on cricketing merit, he more than fulfills that.

The Eng translation here is giving the statement a more bad twist, but all he wanted to say was in NZ our pacers were average.

Stating a fact.

Why the hell would you say something about your potential team mates?

Imagine if I wanted a job at certain hospital and said, I want to work in this hospital because most of the doctors in the hospital are average.

Do you think I would get a job?

And in the unlikely event I did, do you think those doctors that I named, would prefer me?

There is a time to state facts, and there is a time to keep mum, and just keep bowling.

This sounds like sour grapes from Asif.
 
Getting into the team is based on cricketing merit, he more than fulfills that.

The Eng translation here is giving the statement a more bad twist, but all he wanted to say was in NZ our pacers were average.

Stating a fact.

The way you represent facts matters.

He could have said, NZ tour was tough on our bowlers but I do believe that, we'll come out from this performance.

It didn't change any facts, but look how different the two statements are.
 
He's not wrong, but man if you get selected, these are the guys you'll be playing with. :))
 
I have warned you about this libellous invention before.

The ICC was clear in 2010 that Mohammad Asif had a clean record under the jurisdiction of itself and the PCB.

He was never convicted of any cricketing offence prior to the spotfix - and certainly not pardoned, that is your invention - apart from a doping offence in the IPL when the IPL was an unsanctioned league that did not come under the auspices of the ICC.

He was not found guilty of any drug offence before the 2007 World Cup.

He was not convicted of any cricketing offence in regard to the traces of drugs that he had in his wallet in the UAE. That is what was later expunged from the record, but because no criminal conviction ever occurred, because the UAE public prosecutor did not lay charges.

So please stop inventing lies against Mohammad Asif.
IPL was NEVER an unsanctioned league

Please stop making things up
 
I have warned you about this libellous invention before.

The ICC was clear in 2010 that Mohammad Asif had a clean record under the jurisdiction of itself and the PCB.

He was never convicted of any cricketing offence prior to the spotfix - and certainly not pardoned, that is your invention - apart from a doping offence in the IPL when the IPL was an unsanctioned league that did not come under the auspices of the ICC.

He was not found guilty of any drug offence before the 2007 World Cup.

He was not convicted of any cricketing offence in regard to the traces of drugs that he had in his wallet in the UAE. That is what was later expunged from the record, but because no criminal conviction ever occurred, because the UAE public prosecutor did not lay charges.

So please stop inventing lies against Mohammad Asif.

Why was he banned for a year in 2008/09?
 
Not surprising.How he expects to come back into the squad,while insulting his potential teammates,is beyond me.

And they may not be special but at least they don't have a past as colourful and troublesome as his own.
 
Why was he banned for a year in 2008/09?
I have already answered this.

He failed an IPL drugs test.

The IPL banned him, and the ICC intended to make that ban universal until it received legal advice that it could not, because the IPL drug code was not compliant with WADA standards.

The IPL was therefore unsanctioned by the ICC in terms of drug testing because it was not compliant with the regulations of the World Anti Doping Agency, and so for legal reasons the IPL, while not treated as an outlaw competition like the ICL, was treated as a private league sanctioned by the BCCI. But not as part of the ICC's pyramid of domestic competitions under its jurisdiction.

This is why the eminent ICC Tribunal in 2010 - featuring sports law titans like Beloff and Sachs - had to record that Asif had a clean previous record.
 
Why was he banned for a year in 2008/09?
In my answer above I forgot to mention that in addition Ijaz Butt banned Asif for a year for the IPL test! But that was officially a PCB ban not an ICC one, even though it related to a drugs test in India.

And that was because the ICC knew that the IPL testing wasn't WADA compliant.
 
In my answer above I forgot to mention that in addition Ijaz Butt banned Asif for a year for the IPL test! But that was officially a PCB ban not an ICC one, even though it related to a drugs test in India.

And that was because the ICC knew that the IPL testing wasn't WADA compliant.


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The ICC was clear in 2010 that Mohammad Asif had a clean record under the jurisdiction of itself and the PCB.

Not good to contradict yourself within a few lines
 
Australia have fined Maxwell for saying batting below Wade in Sheffield Shied has hurt his test chances!

Here is a guy publicly criticising players with whom he wants to/will play if pucked. Given his history, looks impossible for him to come back.

Exactmy the reason why I lost respect for Gambhir when he started to take digs at Dhoni. Going public with your grievances in a team sport almost always kills your career.
 
Why don't I just stop beating about the bush, and instead tell you what I think?

I think that Asif has that self-centred vanity that many top sportsman have, from Viv Richards to Richard Hadlee to Kevin Pieyersen to Cristiano Ronaldo.

And I also think that his inadequate education makes him a time bomb whenever he opens his mouth in public. But no worse than Afridi or Razzaq, let alone Shehzad or Umar Akmal.

It's pretty obvious from their failed drug Tests in 2007 and 2008 that Mohammad Asif and Shoaib Akhtar got into muscle-building outlawed drugs. And it's equally obvious that at the very least the PCB helped them to evade consequences, including withdrawing them from the 2007 World Cup squad for fear of positive drug tests.

Asif did bowl one no-ball to order in 2010, but the ICC Tribunal noted that his offending was less than that of either Amir or Butt and that they accepted that he was not paid or otherwise rewarded and did it under pressure from both his captain and especially his agent.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he will not fix again - he got a huge penalty for an offence for which he wasn't even paid.

But unfortunately an outbreak of puritanical revenge within the PCB saw him effectively have an extra year tacked onto his ban. And he has neither been selected nor even invited to camp for three tours (England, New Zealand and Australia) where he would have hugely strengthened a team with terrible right-arm pace bowling resources.

I'm not sure that anyone in the PCB apart from Shaharyar Khan has even read and understood the ICC Tribunal findings of his lesser guilt than Amir and Butt.

But Asif has tried a low media profile, and discovered that it makes it easier for the PCB to exclude him from selection. Out of sight really has been out of mind.

So now he is raising his media profile to try to get back in consideration. But he has the same education as he always did, and he is just going to dig a deeper hole for himself the more he says.

Mind you, he is no more indiscreet than Shaharyar Khan and Najam Sethi are.
 
You said:


Not good to contradict yourself within a few lines

Well, you are half right I suppose.

The ICC eventually could not ban him because of the WADA issue. The PCB gave him a ban without a hearing, charges or verdict for a year in which the national team effectively had eleven months off from Test cricket. But given the lack of due process, the ICC couldn't endorse that ban any more than Ijaz Butt's Younis and Yousuf bans.
 
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Why the hell would you say something about your potential team mates?

Imagine if I wanted a job at certain hospital and said, I want to work in this hospital because most of the doctors in the hospital are average.

Do you think I would get a job?

And in the unlikely event I did, do you think those doctors that I named, would prefer me?

There is a time to state facts, and there is a time to keep mum, and just keep bowling.

This sounds like sour grapes from Asif.
Do you not have medical job interviews where you work?

I write the questions for ours, and the whole process is basically a forty five minute platform for the applicants to tell us why they would be a better doctor than their competitors!
 
Asif should have gotten a bit more exposure in the domestic circuit. In an ideal world, if I were to be the head of the selection panel, then I'll select Asif - given his credentials. And given that he would AT LEAST out perform Imran Khan / Sohail Khan
 
Do you not have medical job interviews where you work?

I write the questions for ours, and the whole process is basically a forty five minute platform for the applicants to tell us why they would be a better doctor than their competitors!

Well you are bucking the trend and being unprofessional o assume
 
Not surprising.How he expects to come back into the squad,while insulting his potential teammates,is beyond me.

And they may not be special but at least they don't have a past as colourful and troublesome as his own.

Mmm.

Here is what Younis Khan said about Misbah in June 2015:

"I should not be compared to Misbah. I am senior and more experienced than him. I am also four years younger than him. And my style of playing is more aggressive".

Are Asif's comments even in that class of dismissiveness?
 
this thread is ridiculous as usual from the repetitive usual suspects.

hes bowled in 3 first class games, and even then wasnt the best performer from his side by a significant margin.

there is no way on earth he makes it to the side, even on cricketing merit alone. besides, given 40 year old batters are as far into their career as 33 year old bowlers, how laughably hypocritical is it to bleat ad nauseum that batters in their 40s are a huge selection blunder based on age, but a 44 year old bowler with no experience, no proof of match fitness or ability, and no work load for 5 years is suddenly a shoe in?
 
Not very tactful from Asif, but he's right and may have touched a nerve.
 
Why the hell would you say something about your potential team mates?

Imagine if I wanted a job at certain hospital and said, I want to work in this hospital because most of the doctors in the hospital are average.

Do you think I would get a job?

And in the unlikely event I did, do you think those doctors that I named, would prefer me?

There is a time to state facts, and there is a time to keep mum, and just keep bowling.

This sounds like sour grapes from Asif.

The way you represent facts matters.

He could have said, NZ tour was tough on our bowlers but I do believe that, we'll come out from this performance.

It didn't change any facts, but look how different the two statements are.

Not everyone can be diplomatic. We know he has a problem whenever he opens his mouth.

The statement isn't ideal and shouldn't be said publicly, but it's not grounds for not selecting your best seamer.
 
Not everyone can be diplomatic. We know he has a problem whenever he opens his mouth.

The statement isn't ideal and shouldn't be said publicly, but it's not grounds for not selecting your best seamer.

A career of stupidity is a problem
 
Nothing wrong there, but needed diplomacy there. He should learn a few things from Amir about handling the media.
 
this thread is ridiculous as usual from the repetitive usual suspects.

hes bowled in 3 first class games, and even then wasnt the best performer from his side by a significant margin.

there is no way on earth he makes it to the side, even on cricketing merit alone. besides, given 40 year old batters are as far into their career as 33 year old bowlers, how laughably hypocritical is it to bleat ad nauseum that batters in their 40s are a huge selection blunder based on age, but a 44 year old bowler with no experience, no proof of match fitness or ability, and no work load for 5 years is suddenly a shoe in?
Pardon?

Mohammad Asif is not Shoaib Akhtar.

Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh are Mohammad Asif's equivalents as tall fast-medium and subsequently medium-fast bowlers.

And their careers were the same length as batsmen - giving up Tests at 37, 37 and almost 39.

The whole point of tall quick bowlers is that they can get lift from a full length and be effective even after they lose their pace.
 
Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh are Mohammad Asif's equivalents as tall fast-medium and subsequently medium-fast bowlers.

And their careers were the same length as batsmen - giving up Tests at 37, 37 and almost 39.
If you give Asif credit for six years less of wear and tear, much of that is offset by his own potentially dubious age.

But that should still mean at least three years more of international cricket, given the paucity of upcoming quicks.
 
Pardon?

Mohammad Asif is not Shoaib Akhtar.

Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh are Mohammad Asif's equivalents as tall fast-medium and subsequently medium-fast bowlers.

And their careers were the same length as batsmen - giving up Tests at 37, 37 and almost 39.

The whole point of tall quick bowlers is that they can get lift from a full length and be effective even after they lose their pace.

theres been plenty of self appointed armchair experts who declare the maximum age of inducting new fast bowling talent is in the 20s, just as much as there are the same who declare a maximum age for selecting batsmen is some concocted pulled-out-of-the-"air" number. its all bs. players are not the same, people dont age the same, reflexes dont last the same, and the context of alternative replacement talent is not the same for cricketers throughout the world.

but back to the point at hand - asif has done absolutely nothing to justify his selection on a cricketing basis. performances in the past are entirely irrelevant, if honesty is a criterion for discussion of the topic, and his current availability to play has been awful resulting in only three completed matches, whereas the league table leaders have played around 10 matches in the QEA.

he absolutely, and categorically must not be selected for pakistan at the moment.
 
theres been plenty of self appointed armchair experts who declare the maximum age of inducting new fast bowling talent is in the 20s, just as much as there are the same who declare a maximum age for selecting batsmen is some concocted pulled-out-of-the-"air" number. its all bs. players are not the same, people dont age the same, reflexes dont last the same, and the context of alternative replacement talent is not the same for cricketers throughout the world.

but back to the point at hand - asif has done absolutely nothing to justify his selection on a cricketing basis. performances in the past are entirely irrelevant, if honesty is a criterion for discussion of the topic, and his current availability to play has been awful resulting in only three completed matches, whereas the league table leaders have played around 10 matches in the QEA.

he absolutely, and categorically must not be selected for pakistan at the moment.
Who are the batsmen facing to prepare them for the bowling of Josh Hazlewood?

Whether or not he gets in the Test side, he should be bowling for ninety minutes each day to your batsmen. There is only Asif and Ehsan Adil who can do that. And neither has been selected.
 
He's not really critizing anyone. He's saying they're the best we have, but fast bowling in the country in general is ordinary. I don't think anyone would disagree with that

And Asif himself hasn't done nearly enough to earn a call up. He's had a couple of above average performances but that's it
He can't be recalled on the bases of 8-9 year old performances
 
That's very true! :)

I wish that Pakistan had found a new top class right-arm quick bowler during his 6 years out of the game. I hoped that Ehsan Adil was going to be that man, and I was wrong.

But the bottom line is this. Pakistan has their best ever chance to win first ever Test series in Australia and the West Indies in the next six months.

And unfortunately it's not going to happen without Mohammad Asif.

What's more, I suspect that the other quick bowlers would do much better with him in the dressing room talking about how to set up the opposition batsmen than they do now.

He's improved and bowling these days isn't he?
 
He's not really critizing anyone.

yes he is. why spin it any other way.
Kind of like Maxwell going on about having to bat below matthew wade....he said something far harmless and was taken to the cleaners by everyone in the CA food chain (cue weak defense: this is Pakistan, we are not like Australia...etc)
The value of Asif's opinion is next to nothing over the bigger issue which is to criticize members of the national team that he wishes to be a part of/
 
And yet again this guy has no remorse for his actions, he thinks he deserves to walk in to international field but he will have to pay for what he did to the country.


Also hoping for a fine thrown for the words he just said
 
It doesn't matter whether they are good or not, it is not a great idea criticizing ability of current players when you are a current player. Criticizing discipline is one thing. But this reflects poorly on Asif.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you need stop claiming his innocense for gods sake.

He himself admitted to what he did, icc found him guilty, even the legal system of uk found him guilty for corruption.

So thats like thrice, but yet you vouch for his innocence
 
Asif is right, and its a very good apha trait to have, to distinguish from others. Asif knows he's way above this mediocrity, even humble Sachin deep down had this 'disorder', he admitted this to be reason for his captaincy failure.
 
Well he didn't say anything that is incorrect. Sohail, Rahat and Imran are absolutely mediocre by any metric of measurement. The sooner we get rid of them the better.
 
Who are the batsmen facing to prepare them for the bowling of Josh Hazlewood?

Whether or not he gets in the Test side, he should be bowling for ninety minutes each day to your batsmen. There is only Asif and Ehsan Adil who can do that. And neither has been selected.

rubbish. how do you know that asif is bowling like hazlewood? hes not even fit enough to play half the domestic games in the current ongoing fc tournament - thats bang up to date evidence of form. even today he failed to take a wicket when his fellow opening bowler who has massivley outperformed him all tournament took three.

where are you getting the information that he is match practice worthy? or are you going off his pre-history form? and what evidence do you have that he is currently the same quality?
 
Joke of an individual. And it's hardly like he's setting the world on fire in domestic. PCB should do the right thing and say definitively that they will never select Butt and Asif for the national team. That's the right thing to do in this situation. Let them play domestic and earn for their families, but no need for them to ever represent the national team again after their pathetic behavior
 
Well said Asif! Rahat, Sohail and Imran have neither got any pace nor any brain to swing, seam and outwit batsmen let alone win matches singlehandedly for us. These guys depend on pitch to do wonders for them. Yet they get selected again and again even after playing so many tests we 're waiting for Rahat to develop as a bowler he got too many chances. Imran has no pace and would be cannon fodder in Australia same for Sohail Khan who trundles at 120s. I would add Wahab to the list as well he seems to have strong connections to be selected despite pathetic brainless bowling in NZ and being useless on green pitches. No fast bowler from domestic or A tour has been picked up for NZ and Australia. Imad Wasim and Hassan Ali got dropped. Mir Hamza who performed in England was not picked. There are too many question marks.

Asif is a MUST if we want to be taken seriously as a Test and ODI team outside of UAE. PCB should make it clear what do they have in mind regarding Asif's future. Unfair to keep him out and waste his talent in domestics. If PCB doesn't want him they should state it publicly so he can move on. Poor from PCB as usual.
 
There is no place for someone like Asif in the Pakistani team. They guy is a disgrace off the field.
 
Mmm.

Here is what Younis Khan said about Misbah in June 2015:

"I should not be compared to Misbah. I am senior and more experienced than him. I am also four years younger than him. And my style of playing is more aggressive".

Are Asif's comments even in that class of dismissiveness?

Younis Khan has scored twice the amount of runs than Misbah. Younis was not caught in spot fixing. Younis was not caught carrying drugs.

What are Asif's accomplishments? Trash talking is the last thing Asif should be doing if he is real interested in playing for Pakistan again.
 
Mmm.

Here is what Younis Khan said about Misbah in June 2015:

"I should not be compared to Misbah. I am senior and more experienced than him. I am also four years younger than him. And my style of playing is more aggressive".

Are Asif's comments even in that class of dismissiveness?

Pakistani fans forget that most of our past stars had lot of ego and wanted to impose their personality. Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Malik, Shoiab, Afridi, Razaq list goes on... One of the reason Imran was successful in imposing himself, because largely he was the only Star at that time, even he has his fair share of fights and clashes with Miandad, the other star at that time...

In Misbah's Era we had crub the expressionist nature of players, well that has resulted in pretty dull and boring unit. You are not going to get a fast bowler without attitude and personality issues :facepalm:
 
Asif is not here to impress anyone with political correct talk that's not his job. He's here to perform with the ball and win matches for us. If he can win for us in Australia I don't give a hoot to what he says. He has earned the right to criticize mediocre bowlers. He can show vanity because he has the talent to back it up.
 
i agree, but atleast he has performed and won Pakistan matches:) and he is still capable of doing it. and he's right about Rahat, Imran, Sohail just ordinary bowlers.

Not saying that he's wrong about it, but it's disrespectful.
 
I agree with Asif. None of our bowlers including Amir are anything special. What's so wrong in admitting that?
 
I agree with Asif. None of our bowlers including Amir are anything special. What's so wrong in admitting that?

they may be nothing special. but neither is he. is he setting the world on fire in domestic? no. and plus he has a very tainted past. so just because our current crop isn't good doesn't mean another mediocre and tainted individual is brought in. that makes no sense whatsoever
 
Asif is not here to impress anyone with political correct talk that's not his job. He's here to perform with the ball and win matches for us. If he can win for us in Australia I don't give a hoot to what he says. He has earned the right to criticize mediocre bowlers. He can show vanity because he has the talent to back it up.

How has he earned the right to criticize other bowlers? He is no Wasim Akram, hardly played any cricket and brought shame to his team and country.

I think he knows that no matter what he does he is not going to get selected again. So, it might be just an outburst in frustration. After making such comments, how does he expect to be welcomed by the same group of players? He has shot himself in the foot. Clearly shows his uneducated and dehati background.
 
How has he earned the right to criticize other bowlers? He is no Wasim Akram, hardly played any cricket and brought shame to his team and country.

I think he knows that no matter what he does he is not going to get selected again. So, it might be just an outburst in frustration. After making such comments, how does he expect to be welcomed by the same group of players? He has shot himself in the foot. Clearly shows his uneducated and dehati background.

everyone calling for his inclusion has no shame. pcb should grow a pair and announce that butt and asif will never play for pakistan again.
 
How has he earned the right to criticize other bowlers? He is no Wasim Akram, hardly played any cricket and brought shame to his team and country.
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Asif was a far smarter new ball bowler than Wasim Akram and far more consistent as well. So you're dead wrong in your comparison. If you're talking about shame and morals then know that Wasim was a bigger cheat than Amir and Asif combined.
 
Asif was a far smarter new ball bowler than Wasim Akram and far more consistent as well. So you're dead wrong in your comparison. If you're talking about shame and morals then know that Wasim was a bigger cheat than Amir and Asif combined.

Does not work this way. Wasim Akram has a career of 2 decades. Won World Cup for his country. What are Asif's achievements? I don't care if he's smarter than even Malcolm Marshsall or Dennis Lillee, Asif is not even 1% of the cricketer that Wasim was and has earned no right to criticize anybody. Wasim averaged 20-21 for like 15 years. Asif has not averaged that low in even 2 years of his career.
 
I'm starting to think we need to select Asif, at least for one series to see how he goes.

Plus he can't go worse than our current attack.

Sohail Khan is a good first innings bowler but he didn't pick up a single wicket in the second innings in the NZ series.
 
Does not work this way. Wasim Akram has a career of 2 decades. Won World Cup for his country. What are Asif's achievements? I don't care if he's smarter than even Malcolm Marshsall or Dennis Lillee, …

lol whether you care or not does not matter. What matters is the respect Asif has earned from opposition players , that tells his class. He was a proven genius, the second leading Test bowler just behind Steyn, before the unfortunate ban. Had he continued he would have been easily the BEST new ball bowler ever to play for Pak.
 
I'm starting to think we need to select Asif, at least for one series to see how he goes.

Plus he can't go worse than our current attack.

Sohail Khan is a good first innings bowler but he didn't pick up a single wicket in the second innings in the NZ series.

Forget NZ, Sohail Khan hasn't performed in the 2nd innings of any match he's played after coming back.

2-111 vs ENG (Birmingham)
1-50 vs. ENG (Oval, London)
0-22 vs. WI (Dubai)
0-44 vs WI (Abu Dhabi)
0-21 vs NZ (Christchurch)
0-69 vs NZ (Hamilton

It's a travesty and a real waste.

He's literally picked for 1-2 spells per match. Surely, there's someone better with the new ball than an unfit Sohail Khan.
 
Also,

0-33 vs SL (Karachi)
0-19 vs Zim (Bulawayo)

He's NEVER performed in the 2nd innings. Even when he was younger. :facepalm:
 
Forget NZ, Sohail Khan hasn't performed in the 2nd innings of any match he's played after coming back.

2-111 vs ENG (Birmingham)
1-50 vs. ENG (Oval, London)
0-22 vs. WI (Dubai)
0-44 vs WI (Abu Dhabi)
0-21 vs NZ (Christchurch)
0-69 vs NZ (Hamilton

It's a travesty and a real waste.

He's literally picked for 1-2 spells per match. Surely, there's someone better with the new ball than an unfit Sohail Khan.

Thanks for that just goes to show that he isn't a complete test bowler. Only a first innings performer.

Amir and Yasir are the only two decent bowlers we need to get 2 out of the following 4 bowlers imo. Asif/Mir Hamza/ Junaid Khan/ Amad Butt.
 
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